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domitesting
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:23:00 - [1]
 

Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:24:00 - [2]
 

Mining Crystals also lack their different colors as laser effect...

TheSlaveMaster
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:28:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...
Oh so its our fault and not CCP's for not fixing lag.... if we stop the fleet battles then CCP should stop the epic trailers with thousands of ships in... (like their last ex).

CCP would not be fixing it if we didn't poke to the error all the time, thats why biatch?

go home noob [email protected]

Dr Karsun
Gallente
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:30:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...



"Nothing"?

Troll 0/10

If capsuleers weren't crying about lag CCP would not improve servers. Even I remember (beeing a player around 2 years) that fleet lag is BETTER than it was when I started. Once people were complaining about fights of 200... Now they are complaining when there is a fleet fight of a thousand... You see no improvement? I do.

FarosWarrior
Amarr
Pure Dutch Damage Corp
Care Factor
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dr Karsun
Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...



"Nothing"?

Troll 0/10

If capsuleers weren't crying about lag CCP would not improve servers. Even I remember (beeing a player around 2 years) that fleet lag is BETTER than it was when I started. Once people were complaining about fights of 200... Now they are complaining when there is a fleet fight of a thousand... You see no improvement? I do.


pre-dominion there wasn't any fleet lag with 1500-man fights (from what I've been told) now the nodes crap out when there are 300 peeps in system.

something, somewhere went terribly wrong with dominion

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:44:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: domitesting
6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...
It tells us that you haven't been paying attention and don't understand the complaint: they have done something about it. In fact, they made wonderful strides towards reducing fleet lag, both in software and hardware…

…and then they accidentally the whole code and we tumbled back 2-3 years in terms of anti-lag measures. All that time and money spend on adding more oomph to the servers and slimming down the code down the drain. That's where the complaint comes from: we know they can do better because we've seen it, felt it, and played it for over a year. This was taken away from us at the exact same time as they introduced even more reasons to use even bigger blobs – not the greatest combination of development paths…

Sade Onyx
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:45:00 - [7]
 

Fighting in large fleets is something thats been going on for years... and as far I was last aware the terrible lag has never been sorted.

So players continuing to fight even in the face of massive lag is most certainly nothing new! complaining of it is defiantly not new either..

And before you ask, making threads complaining about people complaining are more in number than the complaints themselves. so just suck it up and stop whimpering.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.05.11 11:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: FarosWarrior
Originally by: Dr Karsun
Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...



"Nothing"?

Troll 0/10

If capsuleers weren't crying about lag CCP would not improve servers. Even I remember (beeing a player around 2 years) that fleet lag is BETTER than it was when I started. Once people were complaining about fights of 200... Now they are complaining when there is a fleet fight of a thousand... You see no improvement? I do.


pre-dominion there wasn't any fleet lag with 1500-man fights (from what I've been told) now the nodes crap out when there are 300 peeps in system.

something, somewhere went terribly wrong with dominion
You've been told wrong. 800 man battle in Curse Pre-Dominion produced lag...

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.05.11 12:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...


I'm not sure what the point is that you're trying to get at. Are you just whining about the whining? Confused

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.05.11 12:41:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
You've been told wrong. 800 man battle in Curse Pre-Dominion produced lag...
That was probably on an unreinforced node. But even if it was on a reinforced node the lag was never truely banished. Pre-dominion fleet fights were playable with a managable amount of lag meaning your mod activations and grid load happened in a reasonable amount of time. It was still far far better than anything we had experienced before simply because you could actually fight and have some chance of tactical control instead of watching the slideshow with your unresponsive ship then suddenly appearing in your clone station without any indication that you were actually under fire.

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.05.11 12:45:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...



Stating facts: ur doin it rong.

This has not been an issue before Dominion and most certainly not in 6 years.

-1/10

Rolling Eyes

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.05.11 13:42:00 - [12]
 

tl;dr OP likes lag and losing caps
thinks others should not fight at all and thank eve for not giving their ships back due to lag.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.05.11 14:17:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...




Quoting whining about whining Neutral


Have a nice day.

domitesting
Posted - 2010.05.11 14:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: domitesting on 11/05/2010 14:59:40
Edited by: domitesting on 11/05/2010 14:58:24
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: domitesting
Sorry guys but for god sake, you know that there is a MAJOR issue with lag especially with dominion and large fleet battles.

Yet you STILL engage and still fight knowing this, and then whine on the forums when you lose caps...its been going on for ages!! years infact we KNOW the problems - enough already!!

6 Years this has been an issue and CCP have done nothing really to solve it - what does that tell you...

You know the problems you know the risks BEFORE you go into fleet battles...sorry but its true...

Stating facts: ur doin it rong.

This has not been an issue before Dominion and most certainly not in 6 years.

-1/10

Rolling Eyes

Are you sreious? how long you been playing, I remember massive lag in fleet battles for ages!! why do you think they tried to upgrade to blade servers etc etc..seriously before you comment at least know the history! and if you havent been in large fleet battles before dominion then again you cant comment.

I have remembered the times we jump in 30,40 mins to load grid etc..its been like this for ages!! yes its a *****,, seen it done it wore the T shirt

My point is even now when its worse than ever you STILL commit large cap battles etc KNOWING its a lottery..THEN you go and cry on the forums about lag..we KNOW there is lag,you KNOW the CONSEQUENCES..PUT UP OR SHUT UP simple...Jeezz

Sorry its no troll but damn....its not going to get any better any time soon....get used to it...

and the only ppl here trolling are the whiners :) so yes im whining about whiners whining..




Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.11 15:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: domitesting
why do you think they tried to upgrade to blade servers etc etc..seriously before you comment at least know the history!
Interesting edict from someone who previously claimed that "CCP have done nothing really to solve it" (especially since they did manage to drastically improve on things).
Quote:
My point is even now when its worse than ever you STILL commit large cap battles
…because, it became "worse than ever" at the exact same time as the introduced mechanics that made said large cap battles a necessity.

domitesting
Posted - 2010.05.11 15:20:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: domitesting on 11/05/2010 15:20:19
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: domitesting
why do you think they tried to upgrade to blade servers etc etc..seriously before you comment at least know the history!
Interesting edict from someone who previously claimed that "CCP have done nothing really to solve it" (especially since they did manage to drastically improve on things).
Quote:
My point is even now when its worse than ever you STILL commit large cap battles
…because, it became "worse than ever" at the exact same time as the introduced mechanics that made said large cap battles a necessity.


Hang on no it did not improve on things at all in the sense that yes 3 years or so ago it made some difference not huge, however numbers have increased alot more since then from around 8000/10000 users online to 40,000, alliances have expanded more, more alliances are around, introduction of caps, moms etc have also increased fleet battles significantly so in hindsight it did not improve much at all, sorry i mean black screen for 30 mins in stead of 35 cheers....thanks for that..

large cap battles necessity? large cap battles happened way before dominion! are you forgetting all the POS wars!!????

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2010.05.11 15:25:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Hecatonis on 11/05/2010 15:27:39
arg, if its not threads whining about lag, its threads whining about the threads wining about lag.

you know what would make this game better, 3 threads, one for whining about fleet lag, the other for whining about the whiners of fleet lag, and the last for the rest of us.

even better, why dont the whiners get stick to one thread and just leave the rest of us alone

edit: and yes i understand that this can be seen as whining

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.05.11 15:28:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 11/05/2010 15:27:58
Originally by: domitesting
Sorry its no troll but damn....its not going to get any better any time soon....get used to it...

and the only ppl here trolling are the whiners :) so yes im whining about whiners whining..



Strawberries cherries and a small troll's kiss in spring
My summer whine is really made from all these things
Wipe off your carebear tears and help me pass the time
And I will give to you summer whine

Ohhh-oh summer whine

Kallieah
World of EVEcraft
Posted - 2010.05.11 15:54:00 - [19]
 

This one billion percent justifies making a bunch of smaller EVE universes! The OP is right, if people didn't bother with getting like eighty thousand titans in one system there'd be less laggies. Since no one can managed to keep their mister naughties from fleeting up and wasting time trying to be a sov alliance (yuck people, that's so silly) we should just have smaller EVEs!

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.05.11 15:55:00 - [20]
 

My troll-o-meter just spiked, what's going on in this thread?

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.05.11 16:02:00 - [21]
 

People defending don't chose to fight.

Perhaps what you're suggesting is that people abbandon what they have each spend hundreds of hours working for as a game goal (and collectively as corporations, perhaps 10s of thousands of hours?).

That would sort of be like game reset...but worse because those willing to play under corrupted circumstances would entrench themselves in those places where others chose to take a higher stand of not playing while things were broken.

Kallieah
World of EVEcraft
Posted - 2010.05.11 16:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
My troll-o-meter just spiked, what's going on in this thread?


Oh hai Crumplecorn! It's just great to see you getting back into the discussion here on the forums, but this thread is all about fleet lag and not about people that live under bridges and say "Fe-fi-fo-fum!" to goats that try to cross.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.05.11 16:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Kallieah
Oh hai Crumplecorn! It's just great to see you getting back into the discussion here on the forums, but this thread is all about fleet lag and not about people that live under bridges and say "Fe-fi-fo-fum!" to goats that try to cross.
That's funny, as posted I had a flashback to one of those threads where someone just wouldn't stop being wrong. Are you sure there aren't any trolls lurking around here?

Kallieah
World of EVEcraft
Posted - 2010.05.11 16:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
That's funny, as posted I had a flashback to one of those threads where someone just wouldn't stop being wrong. Are you sure there aren't any trolls lurking around here?

You're takling about that Neutrino thread aren't you?

Anyway I'm completely sure that there are no trolls here. Just a good discussion about fleet lag by an insightful OP and insightful people making insightful responses in a mature manner befitting the smarty-pants people who play EVE!

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.05.11 16:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kallieah
You're takling about that Neutrino thread aren't you?
Oh no, think back further.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.05.11 16:56:00 - [26]
 

Anyone that thinks they know of a viable resolution to the lag should put in an application with CCP, or write a bid as a contractor.

Anyone that isn't an IT professional really shouldn't have **** to say about it. I never played a game where hundreds of people were connected to the same "room" or "instance" that didn't lag. If someone could name even one game that didnt I would be amazed.


Xorxarle
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.11 17:37:00 - [27]
 

Considering that H-W has 1500+ people in it at this time, lag will suck but most will still go to fight because it's better than sitting in a station spinning ships.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.11 17:41:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 11/05/2010 17:43:11
Originally by: domitesting
Hang on no it did not improve on things at all in the sense that yes 3 years or so ago it made some difference not huge, however numbers have increased alot more since then from around 8000/10000 users online to 40,000, alliances have expanded more, more alliances are around, introduction of caps, moms etc have also increased fleet battles significantly so in hindsight it did not improve much at all,
"Not improved much at all"? So in spite of (according to you) a 4× increase in people online, larger fleets, more battles… and the fact that we had less issues before CCP broke things in the last patch, things have never improved and CCP haven't done a thing… riiiiiight…
Quote:
large cap battles necessity? large cap battles happened way before dominion! are you forgetting all the POS wars!!????
POSes were and still are easy to knock down. You, however, seem to be forgetting that we now have something that requires a more concentrated effort to take down, and that this concentrated effort in turn requires a more dense defence. Like you said: how about you actually make yourself aware of the history before commenting?

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.11 17:44:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Xorxarle
Considering that H-W has 1500+ people in it at this time, lag will suck but most will still go to fight because it's better than sitting in a station spinning ships.



Whats wrong with us yo, we should totally just not log in when our enemy packs 400 people into a node, didn't want that space anyway.

altolemaeus
Posted - 2010.05.11 17:52:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Anyone that isn't an IT professional really shouldn't have **** to say about it.


I don't want any IT professional near my game design. They should provide the hardware and software, not **** around with how the game works.

The current situation is caused to 100% by failed game design. The sov team failed to create a system that did not rely on stuffing a system with as many people as possible, so they are to blame.


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