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Kai Allori
Posted - 2010.06.04 11:15:00 - [91]
 

Their internal subjective time may be much faster - it may have been millions of virtual years for them. Some of the sleeper sites had virtual evolution projects. Its fair to say they may have applied this to their own environment or even to themselves. Whats running inside their cpus may no longer be human or interested in an unreal outer world.

Its possible the sleepers went extinct inside their own VR world. Or that their descendants are unaware of the 'outer world' or that their VR civilisation collapsed.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.04 11:29:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 04/06/2010 11:29:15
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve new version up, all the Sleeper lore I have in one location.

Kai Allori
Posted - 2010.06.04 12:49:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Kai Allori on 04/06/2010 13:00:48
Very cool stuff.

Looks to me - on the basis of this that the sleepers are not a race per-se.
They are a splinter of a race which had a medical emergency - for which there was no cure.
So they digitised those affected.
The technology we find associated with this we label as sleeper.

Its possible we confuse factions or groups of once civilisation as several ancient races.
Is this a remnant of the first jove empire?
From the desciption of the oruze site - 'same huddled architecture, evocative of the enigmatic Phantom cruiser.'

The Phantom is a Jove cruiser.
So some link between the sleeper site and the Jove.
Are these early Jove from the first empire sleeping out the effects of the Jovian disease.




Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2010.06.04 13:26:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 04/06/2010 13:31:16
Hmm...i have a thought about origin of sleepers...
I dont know if this has been suggested yet and i may be completely off the track, but on the second thought everything fits ok for me in this "thought".
...
To me it seems logical somehow, dont have any hard prof for that, lets just call it a hunch and something that came to my mind in reading recent chronicle and some other ones, as also discussions on this forum.
As i said i may be completely wrong but ill give it a try and see what others think Smile

Is it possible that sleepers are in fact terrans (as in original humans from earth), or not them exacly but something they made or something they became.

And in continuing that thought, galaxy in which we enter and live when we go to wh space is in fact milky way, that would be a logical assumption coz obviously milky way galaxy and eve galaxy are connected in some way.
First wormhole opened from milky way (the eve gate) to eve galaxy and now centuries after collapse of eve gate someone managed to open again wormholes between these two galaxies, maybe there is something in the nature of space that connects them on some underlying level.

If thats true than sleepers would be whats left of original human race, earth and its colonies were already at brink of destruction before they found the eve gate.
Maybe humans (and by that i mean original earthlings) where trying desperately to get in contact with the young colonies when eve gate collapsed, for their own survival as also for survival of colonies.

So maybe some even worse catastrophe hit and they put themselves into stasis and put all money on the AI drones they made and new eden colonies to survive and find them...

Also wormholes, people before eve gate opened had stargates, maybe wormholes are just an advancement in that technology that malfunctioned somehow over the years and now they are opening half-randomly.
Not entirely random because we have static wh-s, so if somehow you could bi in "control center" that operates wh-s you would have a stargate that can not only lead from point A to point B but from point A to the point of your choice, imagine for example every stargate in Heimatar region that leads to any other stargate you need to go at the moment in the forge region, just chose a destination and whooosshhh you are there :D

Just my two nanoribbons.
but ultimately idk for sure...
What do you, others who have more in depth knowledge about backstory, think ?

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 13:53:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
Edited by: Nishachara on 04/06/2010 13:31:16
Hmm...i have a thought about origin of sleepers...
I dont know if this has been suggested yet and i may be completely off the track, but on the second thought everything fits ok for me in this "thought".
...
To me it seems logical somehow, dont have any hard prof for that, lets just call it a hunch and something that came to my mind in reading recent chronicle and some other ones, as also discussions on this forum.
As i said i may be completely wrong but ill give it a try and see what others think Smile

Is it possible that sleepers are in fact terrans (as in original humans from earth), or not them exacly but something they made or something they became.

And in continuing that thought, galaxy in which we enter and live when we go to wh space is in fact milky way, that would be a logical assumption coz obviously milky way galaxy and eve galaxy are connected in some way.
First wormhole opened from milky way (the eve gate) to eve galaxy and now centuries after collapse of eve gate someone managed to open again wormholes between these two galaxies, maybe there is something in the nature of space that connects them on some underlying level.

If thats true than sleepers would be whats left of original human race, earth and its colonies were already at brink of destruction before they found the eve gate.
Maybe humans (and by that i mean original earthlings) where trying desperately to get in contact with the young colonies when eve gate collapsed, for their own survival as also for survival of colonies.

So maybe some even worse catastrophe hit and they put themselves into stasis and put all money on the AI drones they made and new eden colonies to survive and find them...

Also wormholes, people before eve gate opened had stargates, maybe wormholes are just an advancement in that technology that malfunctioned somehow over the years and now they are opening half-randomly.
Not entirely random because we have static wh-s, so if somehow you could bi in "control center" that operates wh-s you would have a stargate that can not only lead from point A to point B but from point A to the point of your choice, imagine for example every stargate in Heimatar region that leads to any other stargate you need to go at the moment in the forge region, just chose a destination and whooosshhh you are there :D

Just my two nanoribbons.
but ultimately idk for sure...
What do you, others who have more in depth knowledge about backstory, think ?


Why would the Sleeper Archive Enclave have Terran Artifacts and Theories on the EVE Gate?

I doubt the Sleepers were earthlings ... they may have been Isogen-5, but not earthlings ...

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2010.06.04 14:11:00 - [96]
 

Maybe because "terran era" was so long ago that even them themselves forgot where they originated from.

I knew that thing about terran artifacts in a sleeper archive, and honestly that was the only thing bugging me about this theory Very Happy
...
But it bugs me more that its evident in the last chronicle that CONCORD,jove some corporations and empires probably know something of sleepers to some extent that we capsuleers dont know.

And what other could be so big to us than realization that we are on the right track of finding earth, i mean we are Gods to themTwisted Evil, petty secrets dont concern us, so this is probably something really really big imo...

Heh but you are probably right and i am off track (btw great posts abut the topic, i read them all :D )...
The truth will come out eventualy...

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.04 15:30:00 - [97]
 

Now I missed most of the Sansha event so I could be mistaken. But I heard they found way to control and open wormholes. Could it be the Sleeper network is a way to open and create wormholes leading to where you want?

Selar Nox
Posted - 2010.06.04 15:40:00 - [98]
 

Another question that bothers me:

Who coined the name 'Sleepers' in New Eden?

And why was THIS name chosen? What did this person/organisation know about the Sleepers to give them exactly this name? Why not Aliens? Not Rogue Drones 2.0? Not ....???

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.04 15:40:00 - [99]
 

alternative theory: dropbear is screwing with everyone and the sleepers are really only kinda like this RazzYARRRR!!Laughing

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.04 15:44:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
various things...


Originally by: Myxx
...on the same wavelength...


You're making progress, but I am surprised by people who know things and yet are seemingly uninterested in their implications!?

"If this situation is ever understood in its entirety, there will be consequences for these actions."

Maybe some parts still need time to settle, or become more overt... Razz


I see what it means, I've got theories, ive posed them to others but I don't have the evidence to back any of them up. I'm kinda like nikuru, this appears to be a healthy dose of OOC knowledge. I've got methods and ways to see myself knowing this stuff IC, but theres really nothing to say its as overt as it appears to me.

I'm kinda forced at stabbing in the dark til I've got solid stuff to go on.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.04 16:06:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 04/06/2010 11:29:15
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve new version up, all the Sleeper lore I have in one location.


I sent you a mail, check it for something you missed, or didnt add.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.04 16:36:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 04/06/2010 16:43:48
Selar Nox said "Who coined the name 'Sleepers' in New Eden?
And why was THIS name chosen? What did this person/organisation know about the Sleepers to give them exactly this name? Why not Aliens? Not Rogue Drones 2.0? Not ....???"

I complained about that a lot in the past and believe the way Sleepers was introduced to us was handled badly and was a missed great opportunity to involve the players into the storyline. The few posts I made semi recently about bad Sleeper storyline is not the storyline that we are talking about here, as that is very good. But the bad storyline on how the Sleepers where introduced.

Instead of us automatically knowing all sleepers designations instantly. We should have gone into wormhole space and had unknown target. Or Unknown drone, Unknown drone designations XR and the like. Then had NPC agents in empire that bought sleeper wreckage items. As more and more wreckage was handed in and analysed over time we would be given more info. For example we hand as a whole player base 10,000 sleeper items in and we the NPC scientist draws a connation between the new sleepers and old Sleepers. We hand in 20,000 items and we get one or two Sleeper drone names. Every goal of handing in items give a little more info. From drone stats and the like. For me this would have been a great way to not only invole the players in the storyline but really make it feel like we are exploring. EDIT: Perhaps the old Gallante election system could have been used. That had a system to collect tokens from players and hand them into NPC's with a counter.

If this is too much coding. Then another option would have been to have unknown drone XR. Then over a few weeks or months make an NPC press news about the link between sleepers. Then change the drone names to current Sleeper names.

One of my biggest complaints about Eve, is it has a great storyline but a large amount of the storyline is running alongside the players, not involving the players. It's the little thing like chronicles should make small reference's to players, corps or alliance's every so often (not every chronicle). I understand not having players as the focus in chronicles. But I feel as players we would feel far more like, we are part of the same story if minor player stuff was added to chronicles. Something like someone in the chronicles says we have to make a 3 jump detour due to corp v corp war, or an alliance war. Mention a player corp or alliance. Or We need to buy this quick, I bet (insert player industrial corp ) can get that for us. Even some bad comments like in the chronicle someone could be chatting at a bar and say something like did you hear that last crasy theory from (insert players name from this thread) and they call themselves scientists/researchers, my child is smarter then them.

In short lots of little unimportant reference's so we feel like we are in the same universe.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 18:25:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Myxx

I see what it means, I've got theories, ive posed them to others but I don't have the evidence to back any of them up. I'm kinda like nikuru, this appears to be a healthy dose of OOC knowledge. I've got methods and ways to see myself knowing this stuff IC, but theres really nothing to say its as overt as it appears to me.

I'm kinda forced at stabbing in the dark til I've got solid stuff to go on.


The whole IC/OOC argument of both of you is a cop-out. If you know something share it but don't tell us you know something but won't share if for lolRP reasons because that only tells me you know nothing but you've played up your 'sekret knowledge' spiel so much you're now embarrassed to show that in actual fact you have nothing to show for it. The whole mysterious spiel is just that, a con, something to make you look more important than you really are. Go make yourself look more important somewhere else.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 18:34:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
Maybe because "terran era" was so long ago that even them themselves forgot where they originated from.

I knew that thing about terran artifacts in a sleeper archive, and honestly that was the only thing bugging me about this theory Very Happy
...
But it bugs me more that its evident in the last chronicle that CONCORD,jove some corporations and empires probably know something of sleepers to some extent that we capsuleers dont know.

And what other could be so big to us than realization that we are on the right track of finding earth, i mean we are Gods to themTwisted Evil, petty secrets dont concern us, so this is probably something really really big imo...

Heh but you are probably right and i am off track (btw great posts abut the topic, i read them all :D )...
The truth will come out eventualy...


Nah, the idea that the Sleepers are earthlings seems unsupported and even contradicted by what we know about them. And if they forgot they were earthlings, it makes no difference anyway ...

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.04 18:35:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 04/06/2010 19:05:00
Edited by: Myxx on 04/06/2010 18:55:54
Edited by: Myxx on 04/06/2010 18:54:57
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
Originally by: Myxx

I see what it means, I've got theories, ive posed them to others but I don't have the evidence to back any of them up. I'm kinda like nikuru, this appears to be a healthy dose of OOC knowledge. I've got methods and ways to see myself knowing this stuff IC, but theres really nothing to say its as overt as it appears to me.

I'm kinda forced at stabbing in the dark til I've got solid stuff to go on.


The whole IC/OOC argument of both of you is a cop-out. If you know something share it but don't tell us you know something but won't share if for lolRP reasons because that only tells me you know nothing but you've played up your 'sekret knowledge' spiel so much you're now embarrassed to show that in actual fact you have nothing to show for it. The whole mysterious spiel is just that, a con, something to make you look more important than you really are. Go make yourself look more important somewhere else.


No, actually, it isnt a cop out. I am not privy to anything anyone else isnt. I've read a decent portion (read: nearly all, except for a few parts) of the lore, ive spent a lot of time traveling from reigon to region, and putting the pieces of this small part of the puzzle together. What I'm saying, is, that I'm not entirely sure I have it correct, but I'm 75 percent positive that at least one of my theories (the other of several, is posted earlier in this thread) has merit to it. Its worth at least pondering and investigating.

I'm not going to say anything until I've got solid, irrefutable proof to back it up. I've shared it with others, and they agreed it has merit and some solid ground.

I need more time and information to be sure. Instead of asking to be spoonfed information, you go and read like the rest of us have, and contribute to the whole.

join the ingame OOC channel, chat with us. this isnt a secret from anyone.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1317319

Read that, pay attention. Keep an open mind. Read the burning life and empyrean age, too. Thats probably 2,000 pages worth of stuff to go through. You should also pay attention not only to what is said, but what is NOT said. What isnt said has proven to be equally as important, as it may of been hinted at elsewhere. I am not the only person that has come up with the same stuff and seen the same things.

Read pottsey's stuff, too.
Quote:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve


In short, there is no secret knowledge

Mental note: I need to buy and read all of the EON Chronicles, since thats part of what im not privy to. CCP should publish them directly to the site FFS.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 20:03:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Edited by: Myxx on 04/06/2010 19:05:00
Edited by: Myxx on 04/06/2010 18:55:54
Edited by: Myxx on 04/06/2010 18:54:57
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
Originally by: Myxx

I see what it means, I've got theories, ive posed them to others but I don't have the evidence to back any of them up. I'm kinda like nikuru, this appears to be a healthy dose of OOC knowledge. I've got methods and ways to see myself knowing this stuff IC, but theres really nothing to say its as overt as it appears to me.

I'm kinda forced at stabbing in the dark til I've got solid stuff to go on.


The whole IC/OOC argument of both of you is a cop-out. If you know something share it but don't tell us you know something but won't share if for lolRP reasons because that only tells me you know nothing but you've played up your 'sekret knowledge' spiel so much you're now embarrassed to show that in actual fact you have nothing to show for it. The whole mysterious spiel is just that, a con, something to make you look more important than you really are. Go make yourself look more important somewhere else.


No, actually, it isnt a cop out. I am not privy to anything anyone else isnt. I've read a decent portion (read: nearly all, except for a few parts) of the lore, ive spent a lot of time traveling from reigon to region, and putting the pieces of this small part of the puzzle together. What I'm saying, is, that I'm not entirely sure I have it correct, but I'm 75 percent positive that at least one of my theories (the other of several, is posted earlier in this thread) has merit to it. Its worth at least pondering and investigating.

I'm not going to say anything until I've got solid, irrefutable proof to back it up. I've shared it with others, and they agreed it has merit and some solid ground.

I need more time and information to be sure. Instead of asking to be spoonfed information, you go and read like the rest of us have, and contribute to the whole.

join the ingame OOC channel, chat with us. this isnt a secret from anyone.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1317319

Read that, pay attention. Keep an open mind. Read the burning life and empyrean age, too. Thats probably 2,000 pages worth of stuff to go through. You should also pay attention not only to what is said, but what is NOT said. What isnt said has proven to be equally as important, as it may of been hinted at elsewhere. I am not the only person that has come up with the same stuff and seen the same things.

Read pottsey's stuff, too.
Quote:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27571605/Sleeper-Eve


In short, there is no secret knowledge

Mental note: I need to buy and read all of the EON Chronicles, since thats part of what im not privy to. CCP should publish them directly to the site FFS.


Still with the "I've read everything, I know more than you, I spoken to others, but I'm not going to tell you anything", this time with links to stuff we've already seen. Enough with the so-called hints already, share what you know or stop with the superiour attitude and admit you know nothing more than we do ...

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.04 20:55:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane

Still with the "I've read everything, I know more than you, I spoken to others, but I'm not going to tell you anything", this time with links to stuff we've already seen. Enough with the so-called hints already, share what you know or stop with the superiour attitude and admit you know nothing more than we do ...


If what you believe we all have is nothing, then thats your mindset. I personally disagree, but I wont speak up about what I think until I can prove it entirely and irrefutably.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 21:11:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane

Still with the "I've read everything, I know more than you, I spoken to others, but I'm not going to tell you anything", this time with links to stuff we've already seen. Enough with the so-called hints already, share what you know or stop with the superiour attitude and admit you know nothing more than we do ...


If what you believe we all have is nothing, then thats your mindset. I personally disagree, but I wont speak up about what I think until I can prove it entirely and irrefutably.


l2r, we have plenty to go on, we just have to put it together so that it clicks. You just have nothing more than we do, so all the thinly veiled hints that you do but that you won't tell us for some sort of cop-out reason don't really impress much. It makes you look stupid and with all the red-herrings you support only throws the rest of us of the trail.

If you really had something, you'd be plastering it all over the forums to make sure everyone knew you found it first. So enough with the make-belief friends who supposedly agree with everything tell them and stop with the 3 post late declarations that you knew that all along. You didn't, and it's tiresome by now.

Don't want to join in with the search, fine, but then leave the superior attitude at home as well. Believe me, we can do without it ...

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 21:21:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Quote:
Maybe, maybe all the isogen-5 explosions had happened to allow for a single hole to open. Once Burreau made contact, something triggered, causing the resulting ones.

Wormholes are hidden paths. Mind blown yet?


No. What the hell are you talking about. Enough with the riddles already, we've got plenty of those as it is, if you know something just tell it, otherwise don't bother.

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.06.04 21:44:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 27/07/2010 01:00:18

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 21:53:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Gil Danastre
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane

The other shadowy directors are just the directors of Creodron, they have no other purpose than to be there as public Laughing

At least, that's what I think ...

But I agree on the CEO of CONCORD, she is the she ...


No, the other shadowy directors;

Quote:
Somewhere far from Carirgnottin I, in an equally dark and oppressive board room, another group of figures waited impatiently as one of their own excused himself to take a call.


Carirgnottin I is where the chron starts, with CreoDron and Darieux. Maybe Jaques Roden and friends? He was elevated to signifigance of late.


I doubt it was Roden's board of directors. He's now one of the national leaders, and in the Jovian ambassador's talk with the CEO of CONCORD it was made clear that they are supposed to be kept somewhat out of the loop. Not saying he knows nothing, but I doubt it is him.

If that paragraph had been one section below I would have argued that it was Ishukonen's board of directors, and the call was made to the Jovians. But it isn't, so that doesn't work.

What that paragraph tells me though is that Arii and Hilen were not at that time working for Creodron as I suspected earlier. They need to pass things up the chain of command, and as a result of that one of the directors had to go and make a call. So they work for that board of directors.

So we (rather I) were probably reading the Chronicle wrong with regards to Zainou Biotech, and instead of the Zainou Biotech etching being on the holovid together with the Jin-Mei distraction as if she were talking for Zainou Biotech; the holovid is actually below the Zainou Biotech etching (on a wall or something), and the call is made from the Zainou Biotech Board of Directors office.

That would mean Hilen, a Deteis, (as well as Arii) is not working for/with Creodron like Lianda, but for Zainou Biotech, probably officially at Otosela V - moon 13, Zainou Biotech Production station, which would fit with his title as Program Director, Otosela Neuropsychology Center. That would explain why Hilen addresses Creodron as 'they' in the surveillance section and why Arii is so formal (as Caldari are) in addressing him as 'Sir' all the time.

Yes, that would make sense, I'm now convinced that the other board of directors other than Creodron is Zainou Biotech.

What do you think?

Quote:

Actually, digging back a bit, in "The Vitrauze Project" Burreau found and vanished into a wormhole in Vitrauze. In the news during Apocrypha, she had been sending reports back live through Barille. Maybe there are more than one of her active at a given time?

Plus, in The Vitrauze Project, it makes mention that before the Black Eagles arrived there, there had been 1 reported wormhole. Shortly after they arrived, coinciding with Burreau going through and contacting the Mirror, that had spiked to 19, and later 72.

Maybe, maybe all the isogen-5 explosions had happened to allow for a single hole to open. Once Burreau made contact, something triggered, causing the resulting ones.


Well, Isogen-5 was used in the terran weapon by Jamyl, which caused the strange reading from the EVE gate, and then the explosion of all the Isogen-5 coincided with the creation of all the wormholes and the distruction of Seyllin. So my guess would be that not Burreau's arrival at the mirror, which must have happened later on, but Isogen-5 triggered the creation of the wormholes.

If that were to be the case, we only need to get our hands on some Isogen-5 to create some wormholes for ourselves, and create the much vaunted Sleeper network ... if the Isogen-5 explosion hasn't already done that for us too? (If so, we just need to find the entrance, and no doubt we'll find those virtual reality Sleepers there as well).

Ortan Murdak
Liberty Storm
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.04 21:56:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Ortan Murdak on 04/06/2010 22:07:32
So here's what I've gotten out of my analysis of the various chronicles and the posts on this forum. Thanks to everyone who went to the trouble of putting their findings on here, especially Pottsey.

Oruze: judging by the mirrors, and the similarity to Vitrauze, I think the meaning is something like "Dying House/Place".
Quote:
To the Amarr, "Vitra" meant simply "life." Life itself. The Gallentean understanding of the word was more subtle, however. To them it meant "living."

the Or- prefix is presumably the opposite of life, or living.

Cartesian Temporal Coordinator:
Quote:
For some unknown reason, this particular coordinator is configured to synchronize its processing speed in time with the distance traveled between two points. What purpose this serves remains a mystery, but the object’s basic functionality can be reconfigured. With the addition of a few other components, it would allow electronics systems to more easily withstand the interference from subspace distortion."


I think that the reason that the coordinator is set this way is because it needs to stay in sync with a mirror on the other side of a wormhole. Wormholes don't actually collapse distance, but they collapse time, so an ordinary timing method would go out of sync. By using distance, the Drone can tell "when" it is as well as where, because its processor isn't confused by wormhole travel. (possibly includes the talocan "teleportation" method as well.

Mirror: The term mirror implies a reflection, or counterpart. The analogy I find most helpful in this instance is of websites, many of which have "mirrors" in case the original goes down temporarily. The Mirrors mentioned are probably the other sites in K-space, but the possibility remains, and is supported by the Cartesian Temporal Coordinator, that the mirrors might have corresponding locations in Empire Space.

Rogue Drones: my theory is that the rogue drones were intentionally created by the sleepers or talocan, doesn't matter much which, to gather Isogen-5, which is probably used by the Conclaves to fuel travel via CONTROLLED wormholes. I believe that the reason for the chain reaction involving all the type-O stars is that there were solar panels or some other method of collecting Isogen-5 radiation sitting at the lagrange point between the planets and the stars that was connected to the conclaves with a wormhole or something similar.

Blood Raiders: the role of the sisters of eve in "end of the world" is explainable, a scientist saw evidence of radiation, investigated and found the Isogen-5 cache. The Blood Raiders however, received orders to follow the sisters ship, presumably from Chamberlain Karsoth who originally brought Antar into the Raiders. This now leads me to believe that Jamyl Sarum is collaborating with Karsoth, because of the presence of Isogen radiation at both the site of the destruction of the Minmatar fleet, and at the location the sisters were traveling to. The only way I can explain the Blood Raiders placing such priority on following the sisters is that they must have known about Isogen-5, either through the Ammarian connections to the Jovians in the past, or through some event that occurred between Jamyl Sarum's death and rebirth.

That's all that I have, hope that provides at least someinsight into the topic. Thanks much to CCP Dropbear for all the mystery. Although it's a pain to piece it all together, it'll be soworth it when everything comes together.

Happy hunting,

Ortan Murdak

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 21:59:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara

I know everything, but now that you are challenging that I'm not going to tell you.


Thanks for the non-offer, but don't think I'm going to bother ...

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 22:29:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Ortan Murdak

Oruze: judging by the mirrors, and the similarity to Vitrauze, I think the meaning is something like "Dying House/Place".
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To the Amarr, "Vitra" meant simply "life." Life itself. The Gallentean understanding of the word was more subtle, however. To them it meant "living."

the Or- prefix is presumably the opposite of life, or living.



Well 'Vita' means life in Latin, and that's only one letter different. But 'Vita' translated from French, the native language of the original Gallentean settlers, means something like vital, full or life. But the Or- prefix in French translates to gold or golden, but unless you are Goldfinger, that doesn't seem to imply death.

Keeping with Latin though, 'oro' means to speak, like in oratory in English, but 'orior', 'oriri', and 'ortus' means to rise; to spring up , be born, proceed from a source or cause, which sounds enigmatic if on one end of the wormhole there is Vitrauze, the place of life, and on the other end, Oruze, the place from which to rise, be born.

I don't know, it still is hard to put a finger on ...

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Mirror: The term mirror implies a reflection, or counterpart. The analogy I find most helpful in this instance is of websites, many of which have "mirrors" in case the original goes down temporarily. The Mirrors mentioned are probably the other sites in K-space, but the possibility remains, and is supported by the Cartesian Temporal Coordinator, that the mirrors might have corresponding locations in Empire Space.



Note that mirrors can also be used to focus light. Although it can be seen as a looking-glass, as in 'Through the looking-glass', it can also be seen as if all the mirrors in the wormholes all focus attention or light to a particular place. Perhaps the Oruze Osobynk?

Do we know anything about the relative position of the different mirrors relative to the Oruze Osobynk, or is it all random placement?

The other things sound interesting ...

Ortan Murdak
Liberty Storm
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.04 22:32:00 - [115]
 

One last thing,

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"Before I explain, I need you to get in touch with Ishukone. Find someone as high up the ranks as we can get quickly and unofficially. We're going to need them for this." Hilen waited for an answer. "I see," the director finally offered. "Tell me, Hilen?" "Yes, sir?" "Is it their previous experience that you're after?" And suddenly Hilen realized that he knew. He knew something, at least. Enough to ask the question, and ask it in such an indirect way. There was no telling what was infiltrated now. No line was secure. "Yes, sir." Hilen felt a dull ache in the depth of his stomach, the pain of the one soldier who returned back to base alive, having seen the onslaught to come. Except this time, nobody had fired a shot, and nobody would.


the "previous experience" is referenced below

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Ishukone is a corporation with a long and storied history in the Caldari State. A special point of pride for the company is their contribution of Jovian hydrostatic capsule technology to the war effort during the Gallente-Caldari War. Ishukone’s primary business model deals with the development of high-end technologies in fields such as advanced spacecraft engineering, electronics, medicine, and biotechnology.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 22:49:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Ortan Murdak
One last thing,

Quote:
"Before I explain, I need you to get in touch with Ishukone. Find someone as high up the ranks as we can get quickly and unofficially. We're going to need them for this." Hilen waited for an answer. "I see," the director finally offered. "Tell me, Hilen?" "Yes, sir?" "Is it their previous experience that you're after?" And suddenly Hilen realized that he knew. He knew something, at least. Enough to ask the question, and ask it in such an indirect way. There was no telling what was infiltrated now. No line was secure. "Yes, sir." Hilen felt a dull ache in the depth of his stomach, the pain of the one soldier who returned back to base alive, having seen the onslaught to come. Except this time, nobody had fired a shot, and nobody would.


the "previous experience" is referenced below

Quote:
Ishukone is a corporation with a long and storied history in the Caldari State. A special point of pride for the company is their contribution of Jovian hydrostatic capsule technology to the war effort during the Gallente-Caldari War. Ishukone’s primary business model deals with the development of high-end technologies in fields such as advanced spacecraft engineering, electronics, medicine, and biotechnology.



Yes, I mentioned that here as well.

What is interesting is that Hilen from Zainou Biotech asks for Ishukone's Jovian expertise, indicating Hilen knows that Jovian's know more about the Sleepers in the wormholes.

At that moment Creodron, who just found the structures, only have an 18% match, but Hilen's instinct tells him that what is out there isn't all that foreign and that they need diplomats and not scientists. How does he know that ...

Ortan Murdak
Liberty Storm
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.04 23:05:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Ortan Murdak on 04/06/2010 23:05:46
I also found this handy article
Seyllin report

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.06.04 23:07:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 27/07/2010 00:59:59

Ortan Murdak
Liberty Storm
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.04 23:25:00 - [119]
 

and for anyone looking into the sansha's nation events for clues there are some documents here

Eve-Files: Ishakea

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.04 23:38:00 - [120]
 

With respect to the Oruze Enclave, and Oruze Osobynk, and 'orior', 'oriri', and 'ortus' from Latin meaning to rise; to spring up , be born, proceed from a source or cause, there is this bit in The Vitrauze Project:

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It had been named after an early Federation Senator, whose name in turn was supposedly taken from one of the first settlers to come through the EVE Gate. To the Amarr, "Vitra" meant simply "life." Life itself. The Gallentean understanding of the word was more subtle, however. To them it meant "living."

Different in the way sunrise and sunset are, she thought.



What a strange thing to think. The connection between 'life' and 'living', and 'sunrise' and 'sunset' is not very obvious at all.

And then just below there is:
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The blood immediately started pushing through her veins, accelerating with each new heartbeat. She fought back the instinct, millions of years and even more souls forfeited in the name of progress, all driving her to avoid this. To return.



Without the last sentence you could easily argue the previous sentences were about death. But 'To Return.'? You don't return to death. If you are somehow a Freudian, you might fear returning to the womb or something, but what has progress got to do with that? Is she fearing a return to the beginning? A fear of undoing progress?

And in the fifth section from the bottom, I think Lianda is resting her ship against the Oruze Enclave and she's contacting Hilen through VR maybe using Sleeper technology, which is why the automated system is mentioned, and why she is familiar with the design even though it is old. From "This time, there was no life in Hilen's eyes, and it was telling her to go.", we see that Lianda clearly distinguishes between Hilen and his representation, even though the Sleeper VR is apparently better than our VR.

From the previous to last section though it is clear that Lianda wasn't killed by the Sleeper drones as you might think from the Anoikis Chronicle, but chose, as I think the Sleepers did, to leave behind corporal life as we know it, and follow their path. She's dead to us, but alive with the Sleepers, she won't wake up in her clone any time soon. That would correspond to what I said about the title of the Anoikis chronicle here.

The 'locus' she send back is either a reference to a genetic locus or a reference to a place. I suspect the later.

If Lianda arose again, chose to be born again as a Sleeper, that could explain 'Oruze', from the Latin 'orior'/'oriri'/'ortus'. It's a place to rise from the dead; namely your own ...

If only we had the 'locus' she send back ... we'd know where to look ...


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