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MajorPunishment
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:17:00 - [1]
 

So im debating which setup to use for gurista anoms/plexes

[Ishtar, Armour]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
10MN Afterburner II

Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small guns in the rest

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Warden II x5

1334 dps tank with my skills

OR

[Ishtar, Shield]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Warden II x5

1984 dps tank with my skills

Both setups have the same dps on paper with the armour setup having better tracking and optimal range thanks to the drone tracking link.

One of the big differences is that the armour Ishtar has an afterburner + much lower sig which leads to being able to sig speed tank on top of the armour tank.

However the armour setup does not have the sheer buffer of the shield ishtar so encounters where you would be recieving high alpha damage would be off limits.

Which one is more efficent overall and why?


NoNah
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:21:00 - [2]
 

The shield version, however drop an extender, fit an afterburner, drop the cloak and fit some proper guns. Even small medium rails put out some dps, no reason not to use that. If cap is an issue, fit acs.

MajorPunishment
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:25:00 - [3]
 

Dropping the LSE for an AB leaves only 5 minutes of cap stability. My cap is ******ed thanks to the SPRs

NoNah
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:42:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: MajorPunishment
Dropping the LSE for an AB leaves only 5 minutes of cap stability. My cap is ******ed thanks to the SPRs


That'd be 5 minutes, with the AB running, no? You won't have to run it permanently, and 5 minutes is a pretty darn long time when it comes to cap stability. If you absolutely need to be cap stable, drop a shield power relay for a PDU.

Mind you, your tank is waaahaay overdone for the vast majority of missions(level 5's being the exception and you'd want passive amps there anyway). All you need is lov... err... gank.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:48:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: MajorPunishment
Dropping the LSE for an AB leaves only 5 minutes of cap stability. My cap is ******ed thanks to the SPRs
The balance them out with PDUs to give a good combination of cap and shield regen, and while it's usually CPU that comes up short on the Ishtar, the extra PG might come in handy as well.

MajorPunishment
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:49:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: MajorPunishment on 04/05/2010 13:50:10
Im not doing it for missions, 0.0 anomalies and plexes ;)

The only reason the afterburner would be there is for tanking purposes. And with the amount of rats you can find in anoms/plexes the 450/338 dps i get from gardes/wardens 5 minutes wouldn't be enough to clear half of them usally. But perhaps im being over-cautious.

I'd need to drop 2 SPRs and replace them with PDUs to become cap stable just running the tank (and i have perfect cap skills) so then i'd be better off just going with the armour since my shield tank would be 1082

Rigel Silek
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.04 13:58:00 - [7]
 

I would go with the shield version. I wouldn't drop a LSE, I'd go with a single shield hardner. The Ishtar already has good kinetic resists. Below is the fit I use vs Guristas/Serpentis/Caldari/Mordu. With my skills, in EVEHQ Fitter this tanks 1,563 DPS vs Guristas and is cap stable without the guns running. You could drop the guns to fit tractor and salvager if you want. If you switch the omni for another LSE tank increases to 2,005 DPS vs Guristas. I don't think you'll be able to get cap stable enough to run the afterburner constantly and still have a really strong passive shield tank. Dropping two shield power relays for two power diagnostic systems will get you cap stable with the AB running and a single hardner but tank drops to around 900 DPS.

3x Dual 150mm Prototype I Gauss Gun (Antimatter Charge M)

3x Large Shield Extender II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Ballistic Deflection Field II

5x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

5x Wasp II
5x Hornet II
5x Vespa II
5x Warden II

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.05.04 14:00:00 - [8]
 

Armor version. No need to thank me and yes it works in all plexes/anoms/expeditions except 10/10 last stage, DG staging point last stage and Provi HQ last stage.

3x light neutron blasters II
improved cloaking device II
salvager

10mn Afterburner II
4x cap recharger II

1x 1600mm rolled tungsten plate
1x Medium Armor Repairer
2x kin
1x Energized adaptive nano membrane

2x Nanobot Accelerator (or aux pumps, doesnt rly matter)
5x Wasp

NoNah
Posted - 2010.05.04 14:03:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: MajorPunishment
Edited by: MajorPunishment on 04/05/2010 13:50:10
Im not doing it for missions, 0.0 anomalies and plexes ;)

The only reason the afterburner would be there is for tanking purposes. And with the amount of rats you can find in anoms/plexes the 450/338 dps i get from gardes/wardens 5 minutes wouldn't be enough to clear half of them usally. But perhaps im being over-cautious.

I'd need to drop 2 SPRs and replace them with PDUs to become cap stable just running the tank (and i have perfect cap skills) so then i'd be better off just going with the armour since my shield tank would be 1082


In which case I'd be asking why you're considering a fit without an MWD, but hey, that's just me. I'd drop you my setup, but alas, don't have access to it right now.

Gajoleus
Gallente
Solar Imperium
Posted - 2010.05.04 14:10:00 - [10]
 

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Heat Dissipation Field II

200mm AutoCannon II,Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II,Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II,Barrage S
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Faction hardener should be better, don't put 5 SPR, You will have trouble with long warping, plex and rating fit

MajorPunishment
Posted - 2010.05.04 14:34:00 - [11]
 

Just an FYI consider swapping the heat hardner for a kinetic. For max guristas efficency it goes:
2 hardner slots = 2 kin
3 slots = 2 kin 1 therm
4 slots - 3 kin 1 thern

Thanks all for the feedback, looks good. If anyone else has more to add please keep it coming Twisted Evil

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2010.05.04 15:59:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: MajorPunishment
Im not doing it for missions, 0.0 anomalies and plexes ;)

The only reason the afterburner would be there is for tanking purposes. And with the amount of rats you can find in anoms/plexes the 450/338 dps i get from gardes/wardens 5 minutes wouldn't be enough to clear half of them usally. But perhaps im being over-cautious.


If you want to go all out on exploration....

[Ishtar, plex ishtar armor]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Analyzer I
Codebreaker I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Salvager I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Berserker II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Garde II x5

Cap stable with tank (yes, both reps) and AB, can crack any can you come across, can probe, and the arties add something close to 50 DPS should you need it. Swap to an energized magnetic hardener if you're serious about tanking just Guristas for about a 700 DPS incoming tank. Should be enough with the AB.

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2010.05.04 16:03:00 - [13]
 

[Ishtar, Ishtar - Guristas Plex MAR + Wasps]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centii A-Type Magnetic Plating
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener

10MN Afterburner II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Salvager I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Wasp II x5

FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.05.04 16:23:00 - [14]
 

armor one is better, although shield one looks to have more tank in EFT but most of the guristas dps comes from missiles and you can reduce that quite a bit with sig tanking.
You got AB and omnitracking link also

Hunk O'Love
Posted - 2010.05.04 16:26:00 - [15]
 

Put in whatever highs you need/can fit.

There will be Guristas plex's that will kill any of the above armor fits if you get webbed. Not so with this fit.

[Ishtar, Plexing]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier


[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:15:00 - [16]
 

the thing to remember is, the shield tank is only that strong at about 30% shields.

The armor tank is that strong from 0% to 100% armor.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Last Wolf
the thing to remember is, the shield tank is only that strong at about 30% shields.

The armor tank is that strong from 0% to 100% armor.
Works the other way too: the shield tank that is broken at 35% may stand strong at 30%; the armour tank that is broken at 70% is broken at all percentages… Wink

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2010.05.04 18:19:00 - [18]
 

The point for armor tanking is leaving room for Drone assisting modules...and what gets u killed is not web, it's scram...and killing scramming frigs is always faster and safer using omni-directionals/TPs/Webs etc (ok, webs are not recommended for drone NPCing)...

Also the nav computer greatly reduces travel time for those fat-@ss heavies that take forever switch targets - or to return to your bay should rats focus their attention on them...

I think the AB is also useful in most plexes, while it's less useful in anomalies.
I tend to think a AB-less armor tanker with 2x omnis, T2 sentries+dmg rigs is better for anomalies (using a large battery it can be nearly cap stable even with 2x sentry dmg rigs and 3xD150 rails). A core launcher can also fit, so probing anomalies - even the occasional easy to find plex is a breeze without u changing ships etc.

Annowyn
Ammatar.
Posted - 2010.05.04 19:55:00 - [19]
 

I use this:

Highs:
2x salvager
2x tractor
1x aggro gun

Mids:
Afterburner t2
2x cap recharger
2x drone nav computers

Lows:
1x medium armor repairer
3x hardners
1x whatever, hardener, cap mod, blah

rigs:
2x CCC

Runs forever, get all aggro, pop all triggers, kill off webing ships with drones, recall drones, launch ogre 2s, afk.

RentableMuffin
Posted - 2010.05.04 21:31:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Gajoleus
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Heat Dissipation Field II

200mm AutoCannon II,Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II,Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II,Barrage S
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Faction hardener should be better, don't put 5 SPR, You will have trouble with long warping, plex and rating fit


heh I posted almost exactly that fit a while back.

this is what I use now (although for afk full aggro level 4s, not plexing) oh and with a kinetic hardener. fits with drones rigging 4. gets awesome reduction to damage by moving at 600m/s+

long warps are a bit of a problem, can make a few fine but eventually it gets low.

[Ishtar, t2 rigs]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heat Dissipation Field II

Drone Link Augmentor I
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor II


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.04 21:42:00 - [21]
 

Just found the setup for my old "Sunday-dress" Ishtar: Razz

[Cheap, I promise! >_>]
2× Corpii C-Type Small Reps
2× Core C-Type Hardeners
Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating (argh! CPU!)

Omnilink
PWNAGE or AB
Cap stuff

3× 200mm Railgun II
Tractor & salvage.

2× Sentry Damage Augmentors

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.05.04 22:32:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/05/2010 22:33:13
Originally by: Diomidis
[Ishtar, Ishtar - Guristas Plex MAR + Wasps]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centii A-Type Magnetic Plating
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener

10MN Afterburner II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Salvager I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Wasp II x5



Awesome setup. Sooooo dead in military plex or provi HQ. And looking at your killboard not only there (quite a few similiar fit ishtars dead only to guristas).

MajorPunishment
Posted - 2010.05.05 08:02:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: MajorPunishment on 05/05/2010 08:05:13
[Ishtar, Gurista Anoms]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Thermic Plating II

Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
10MN Afterburner II

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Vespa II x5
Hornet II x5

Ok so taking the replies in this thread into account... this is the most balanced setup i have now come to for anomalies/lower level plexing. Gardes have 42km optimal, 495 dps. 640dps tank + sig tank, cap stable. I know its not going to work for the hardest 10/10 plexes but how do you reckon its going to hold up for the others?

Im probably going to try to have another Ishtar fit solely for plexes that can do all bar the maze, can any of the setups in this thread do that?

Gajoleus
Gallente
Solar Imperium
Posted - 2010.05.05 08:20:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: RentableMuffin

heh I posted almost exactly that fit a while back.



I know I took it from someone :) because dual MAR II failed me

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.05.05 09:19:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 05/05/2010 09:18:53
Originally by: Hunk O'Love
Put in whatever highs you need/can fit.

There will be Guristas plex's that will kill any of the above armor fits if you get webbed. Not so with this fit.

[Ishtar, Plexing]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier


[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I




This is almost exactly the setup that I used back when plexing Guristas/Serpentis.

My Serpentis fit had 2 Pithum A-Type Heats and 2 LSE + MWD/AB (it varied) and always had 5 SPRs. It had a Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu to reach out for cap at that 19km range, which was great.

With high kinetic and thermal resistances, the Ishtar should make running Serpentis and Guristas plexes a breeze. Cap stability shouldn't be an issue if you have your cap skills up. With my above setup, running a nos permits use of 3 guns (I used LNB w/null to swat tackling frigs while my Ogres were busy), a salvager and an afterburner permanently.


 

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