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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.01 16:51:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Kale Kold
My full manifesto can be read at the following address (subject to further constituent wishes).

http://www.kalekold.net/eve/csm/

Only policy questions will be responded to from now on and further Ad hominem attacks will be ignored. Thankyou.


Given that the role you are trying to fulfill requires an intimate knowledge of, and dedication to, the game in its current form, publicizing the fact that you don't play is not, in fact, an ad hominem. Some would even say that your deflection of the issue is a case of ignoratio elenchi.

Forgetting for a moment that you don't actually play, what do you think makes you qualified to be the de facto lowsec candidate when your policies seem to be those of a de facto griefing candidate, and you appear to be out of touch with what many deem to be low-sec PvP? If you were to be elected to the CSM, how would you rationalize these severe game changes to your fellow CSM panel - knowing full well that "because it makes the game fun for me personally" isn't going to cut it? And finally, do you disagree that a CSM candidate should be active and know the current game mechanics? If so, why? If not, can you account for your activity during the last year?

If you want to avoid a valid question because you have no answer, that is fine - but don't claim the question is invalid to side-step it, it'll just make you look worse in the long run.

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2010.05.01 17:13:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Myxx
kale: response to my post above, please?
Thoughts?

Many of the points i outline in my manifesto will address much of what you bring up.
http://www.kalekold.net/eve/csm/

I know many may feel that i might be proposing to screw hisec with the listed proposals but i just want to make sure money making resources or profitable opportunities are not just concentrated in hisec. We just need a rebalancing.

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2010.05.01 17:20:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Elise Randolph
Given that the role you are trying to fulfill requires an intimate knowledge of, and dedication to, the game in its current form, publicizing the fact that you don't play is not, in fact, an ad hominem.

I've played EVE for 5 years and i'm not quiting any time soon, so that's that argument nipped in the bud.

Like i said before, if you don't agree with my policies please feel free to vote for another candidate.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.01 17:44:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Elise Randolph
Given that the role you are trying to fulfill requires an intimate knowledge of, and dedication to, the game in its current form, publicizing the fact that you don't play is not, in fact, an ad hominem.

I've played EVE for 5 years and i'm not quiting any time soon, so that's that argument nipped in the bud.



The argument wasn't how long you played, it was questioning your activity in the last year. Eve five years ago is a totally different landscape than Eve right now. Likewise, Eve last year was very different. I mean, for "the ONLY lowsec candidate" I would expect at least one low-sec kill in the last 14 months. I still don't see how the validity of this question, or the question itself, is so perplexing.

Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.01 17:50:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Elise Randolph
Given that the role you are trying to fulfill requires an intimate knowledge of, and dedication to, the game in its current form, publicizing the fact that you don't play is not, in fact, an ad hominem.

I've played EVE for 5 years and i'm not quiting any time soon, so that's that argument nipped in the bud.

Like i said before, if you don't agree with my policies please feel free to vote for another candidate.

You don't seem to get it, do you. Nobody here's interested how long you've had the account and if you're going to stop paying for it any time soon. The CSM is composed of people, not accounts, and if you as a person don't have the necessary experience in the game, you're not a relevant candidate for it.

Experience is gained through playing. How active have you been lately and where's the record for it? That's what people here have been trying to ask for too many posts already. You're either too dumb to understand the question, or you're ashamed of the answer.

Either way, you're damn right we're gonna vote for somebody else. The last thing we need is another armchair expert.

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2010.05.01 19:06:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Ratio Legis
you're not a relevant candidate for it.

But. i am a candidate and one with a lot of support!

If i don't float your boat, vote for someone else then, it's your dime! You have an opportunity to have a dedicated lowsec representative in me. If you don't want to take opportunity then fine, cya later.

Like i've said numerous times, i've been solidly playing EVE for 5 years, with this and other accounts. You don't believe that then fine, a few posts on a forum won't convince you.

The CSM is a huge commitment of (RL) time and effort, something which i am prepared for and looking forward to if elected. I will have to give up all my remaining holiday from work to represent you with lowsec issues if elected when i'm expected to turn up in iceland for the CSM summit. (Yes, that's right, it's not a holiday) I think your being rather ungratful for someone who is prepared to give so much to represent you to the powers that be so you have a voice!

stop derailing this thread!

Doctor N0
Posted - 2010.05.02 04:49:00 - [97]
 

Politicians are always so nice when they want something from you. As soon as they get it tho...........


Anyway GoodLuck.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.02 05:04:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Kale Kold

I think your being rather ungratful for someone who is prepared to give so much to represent you to the powers that be so you have a voice!


See, the reason I'm bringing up the fact that you don't play is that I don't think you're prepared to dedicate the time for CSM. You're marginalizing the entire process, and can't even bother to make up a feasible excuse as to your inactivity in lowsec for the last 14 months.

B1FF
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:14:00 - [99]
 

Here is the full text of said manifesto located at http://www.kalekold.net/eve/csm/ as of 2012 Zulu.

"Due to whining f**kers, do it yourself, i quit!!! "

Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.03 00:39:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Kale Kold
The CSM is a huge commitment of (RL) time and effort, something which i am prepared for


Sure doesn't look like it, enjoy your ragequit.

Nice Package
Zero-G Hydroponics
Posted - 2010.05.03 10:14:00 - [101]
 

Come back Kale, you have my sword

http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989048

Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2010.05.03 10:59:00 - [102]
 

ehm did I miss something?

tbh if you think that the best candidate is going to be someone who has been playing EVE for the last year, then there is omsethign wrong with your ideas.

CSM is here to represent your thoughts and problems YOU have.

so, for me the best candidate is not someone who is biased to a certain direction of the game, but someone who is here to listen and understand the problems of the players and bring them up to CCP in the correct and professional manner rather than whining like a little girl on the forums.

I woudl support Kale, because I have a feeling he would do exactly this, and to add to that, if you are saying that if a 5 year veteran of the game has no clue what is going on cause of his recent activity, then you are a total idiot.

someone with that experience inmo might not know how to use the fleet finder which was recently brought in, but he will know the mechanics and understand ore about how changes are looked at and implemented then someone who might have only just experienced a single expansion.

Kale, if you do change your minds and decide to continue then you have my support, if not, then maybe you weren't indeed cut out to do this job, would be a shame.

to anyone else here who has been going on about that he has not been around, not a candidate, etc, well, all I can say, is that I do'nt see you been ready to commit your time to running for CSM.

I think it's a noble cause, and I admire people been able to even get into this role, as I woudl like to run for it someday too, however I know I wouldn't be suitable for it due to RL time limits.


I don't think you should question someone due to been away for half a year or year after giving so much time to this game already, but focus more on ther intentions and see if it is in line to what you want the rep to support andd fight for in their period, as CSM if they get the position


but hey, this is C&P, maybe that was the mistake


this place is full of whiners after all

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:06:00 - [103]
 

Thanks for the words Gilgamesh.

Basically i was prepared to give up my free time and two weeks of my holiday to visit iceland to put these issues to CCP and i would of given them hell as lowsec has been ignored for far too long (that's why i ran). To be honest i didn't realise what a bunch of ****** cry babies there were!

I'd rather have the holiday in ibiza with my m8s (which i have now booked with the lads, yay! Very Happy) rather than pander to people who don't know when they're being truely represented! let them suffer another year of broken lowsec!

So **** em! i'd rather kill stuff, than be typing and thinking! YARRRR!!

P.S. Gilgamesh, looks like your crew's been having fun in Jan! YARRRR!!

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:56:00 - [104]
 

lol

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:59:00 - [105]
 

Personally I think you give too much credence to the people that posted something, trolls and alike. Instead what you should have done was either ignore the bait and concentrate on those that just read your message and feel what you represent to be the right way for pirates.

Think you gave in far to easy to the trolls.

I have considered running for CSM myself, as I to have a vested interest in piracy and low sec. I may pick up from where you left off still, I would like it if you would restore your manifesto link. It would be interesting to see what your points on the piracy and low sec issues were and try to see what people thought.

Just a thought.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.04 18:56:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Gilgamesh1980
ehm did I miss something?

tbh if you think that the best candidate is going to be someone who has been playing EVE for the last year, then there is omsethign wrong with your ideas.

CSM is here to represent your thoughts and problems YOU have.


Really? So by your logic, some guy who just started playing but is really good at listening is just as qualified as someone who has played actively for four years? Yes I exaggerated a bit, but not much. The issue is that the CSM doesn't just talk about low-sec, it talks about everything. The issue of 0.0 sovereignty is going to come up, if you have no knowledge of Dominion what are you going to do, spin in your chair for the day?

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so, for me the best candidate is not someone who is biased to a certain direction of the game, but someone who is here to listen and understand the problems of the players and bring them up to CCP in the correct and professional manner rather than whining like a little girl on the forums.


I agree completely, and yet you supported someone whose ideas were pretty much " give me tools to gank more scrubs, I don't care about anything else". Is there no bias in that?

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to anyone else here who has been going on about that he has not been around, not a candidate, etc, well, all I can say, is that I do'nt see you been ready to commit your time to running for CSM.

I think it's a noble cause, and I admire people been able to even get into this role, as I woudl like to run for it someday too, however I know I wouldn't be suitable for it due to RL time limits.


I'm kind of glad you said this, because I didn't want to be accused of trying to steal votes. And by the fact that you had no idea I'm running, I guess I did a pretty good job.

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I don't think you should question someone due to been away for half a year or year after giving so much time to this game already, but focus more on ther intentions and see if it is in line to what you want the rep to support andd fight for in their period, as CSM if they get the position


Again, I think it's fair to question someone who hasn't played in a year, but that's my view of the CSM. Taking a bit of a break from Eve isn't a big deal, everyone has to. Taking a year off and then suddenly jumping into CSM? Forget for a moment that I personally think the CSM needs to be an active player (it is an opinion after all), but is it not fair to question someones dedication if they have a history of, for lack of a better term, giving up? I also think it's fair to ask, and I think I asked in a very nice way. The response I got? Nothing. Push the issue? YO MAN IM GOIN TO IBIZA MEIGHT.

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Personally I think you give too much credence to the people that posted something, trolls and alike. Instead what you should have done was either ignore the bait and concentrate on those that just read your message and feel what you represent to be the right way for pirates.

Think you gave in far to easy to the trolls.


I'm not sure if I'm the troll in question, but I really wasn't trolling.
I'll quote myself
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If you were to be elected to the CSM, how would you rationalize these severe game changes to your fellow CSM panel - knowing full well that "because it makes the game fun for me personally" isn't going to cut it? And finally, do you disagree that a CSM candidate should be active and know the current game mechanics? If so, why? If not, can you account for your activity during the last year?



Even if you disagree with the premise, the question is still valid. Someone who thinks that you, Garmon, Gneeznow, kil2, et al "don't get low-sec PvP" strikes me as someone who is completely out of touch, someone who avoids tough questions strikes me as someone who isn't prepared for a role where ideas will clash.


Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2010.05.04 19:39:00 - [107]
 

Well this thread went downhill fast.

SKUNK

B1FF
Posted - 2010.05.04 19:52:00 - [108]
 

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Troll doesn't mean someone who disagrees with you.

Troll doesn't mean someone who calls you out when you're avoiding questions.

Troll doesn't mean someone who questions your qualification.

This thread has been much more candidate interrogation than it has been trolling. No one has been attacking you for fun.

Nova Satar
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2010.05.04 19:55:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Nova Satar on 04/05/2010 19:57:37
i agree with most of your points, but you cant just go round complaining about every single thing that may be a disadvantage to pirates. Thats part of the whole "piracy" thing.

You have my vote though

Edit: Nevermind, he emo'd Sad

Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2010.05.05 10:21:00 - [110]
 

my statements were not pointed to an individual tbh.

but the fact is that as with politicians, they do have their area of expertise, even if this isn't from first hand experience.

for me, the candidate I would vote for is the person I would entrust with my thoughts, so if Kale would have carried on and maybe been voted to CSM, I would have seen him as my 'go to' guy for anythign that I would feel I woudl like to have addressed.

even if CSM are stakeholders now, I highly doubt they are in any place to have major changes brought in or made overnight, that some (not necessarily even in this thread) people have from them, they aren't been placed in an executive role within CCP, and the manner on how they address functions which either do not make sense or impact the overall game mechanics, is more important to CCP than someone complaining about that outlaws should be imprisoned for their actions for example.

I for one am happy to see people even getting involved with CSM, cause the second run seemed to be losing people interested already, and anyone who can and will commit the time to this should be supported.

of course questions shoudl be asked to them on how their vision is, however if a candidate DOES show and prove he is open for hearing you out, then he should be considered as a valid candidate for you.

Time been played or not, it does mattter, but even as my alliance knows, sometimes I am out of the game for a while but will come back, and the first thing I do is to look at the changes, and see if they work for me or not, and that is jsut how it is

you don't need nonstop months on end to be up to date with the changes, it takes a week at most to read trhgouh and try them out

CSM is our voice, the players, who don't look at the code of the game every day, and should be used as that, and in my belief the panel should be covering as many aspects of gameplay as possible with a mutual respect for eachother's opinions and matter they want to address, to ensure that nothing comes out of balance, again these are just my opinions on how it should work in my mind, and I am sure a lot of people may disagree with this.


Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.05.05 11:11:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/05/2010 11:18:56
First things first, I have a natural suspicion towards someone (particularly people I never heard about) coming to C&P in election times asking for pirate support and talking about how they would "fix" lowsec.

Secondly, most "boost piracy" candidates have ideas which are tbh would not result in anything good for lowsec (delayed local? Yeah, that would certainly make everyone crowd to go there, really, and while WH space is cool and all that its not comparable to lowsec insofar as you practically need a covops cloaker ship/alt to catch anything, it doesn't have static entrances/exists, everything in it needs to be probed out and finally there's really valuable stuff there which you can't get anywhere else which is a good motive to go), and some don't even know how things work in lowsec (mazz and add BS rats to lowsec belts).

Third, people who say "make lowsec more desirable/populated" are annoying, because in most cases what they're really saying is "I want to gank retrievers in belts, and there aren't any", particularly the people who want to remove sentries, remove local, add bubbles and then bring moar people to lowsec (lols).

None of the "boost piracy" candidates really presents a clear case what is broken, why it is broken (and no, "īts broken lol" is NOT a valid argument), and what would make low-sec better for everyone involved.

Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2010.05.05 11:24:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/05/2010 11:18:56
Stuff




this I agree with

we are pirates, and pirates are still around, despite everything been apparently broken.

we just don't use certain ships, but we will get on with it.
just says you will support thoughts that come up and concerns, but ultimately you won't be getting anyone could potentially change losec mechanics to the extent some CSM candidates have said they will fight for.

use the energy better and deal with matters that should be reasonable to address.

I want to have fun, and as long as EVE is delivering this for me I will continue to play, if it doesn't maybe CCP will lose customers if they don't address show stoppers that are causing this.


lag fo rinstance is somethign that I don't really have a problem with, it's something that a form of gaming jsut ultimately triggers.

solution, smaller gangs, well, woudl be a workaround.

this isn't something that needs to be fixed per se, but will probably come incrementally over time while the servers and connections get faster.


Jita is the best exampel for it, and also a prime example that it will not solve the problem, but jsut open up the bandwidth for more people to be there over time, ultimately though, when more people can be in there, more people WILL be there and you have a lag issue again.





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