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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:44:00 - [ 1]
With Tyrannis comes EVE Gate, and with both comes changes to the old standings system. CCP Karuck and CCP Prism X's new dev blog details what those changes are. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2010.04.22 16:52:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Armoured C on 22/04/2010 16:52:56
first finally =D
good insight
cant wait for a new social networking thing for eve that i can sink my teeth into =)
good job |
Manfred Rickenbocker
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League |
Posted - 2010.04.22 16:58:00 - [ 3]
Lookin' good! Cant wait to browse my mail outside of game! |
Anonymous Trader |
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:10:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Anonymous Trader on 22/04/2010 17:12:34
looks good!!
also 3rd ^^ |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech |
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:28:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Gnulpie on 22/04/2010 17:28:16
Woah nice!!
Mmmh, pretty confusing everything though. I hope it will be easier than it sounds.
Also I still don't understand why some IN-GAME standings should affect my OUT-OF-GAME standings on a social network site. Sounds a bit odd to me. Or maybe I misunderstood something. |
Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine |
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:36:00 - [ 6]
How many contacts can you have?
Is it still limited to 300? |
Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere |
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:52:00 - [ 7]
That new build better bring contact grouping back...  Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate. |
T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:54:00 - [ 8]
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two |
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:55:00 - [ 9]
 Originally by: Catari Taga
Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate.
Just set everything on the privacy settings page to "No one"?  |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:12:00 - [ 10]
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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers |
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:24:00 - [ 11]
All looks and sounds fine. Not hugely excited about this but it may prove to be usefull, we shall see.
Just one thing I find strange, how come 'NAPS' become +10 and friends only +5? Should that not be the other way around? |
Lord Helghast |
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:26:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Lord Helghast on 22/04/2010 18:31:07Edited by: Lord Helghast on 22/04/2010 18:29:15you'd think with this being done that treaties would be implimented at the same time. all good moves besides lack of treaties.... about evegate, why no dedicated button/box to post to evegate without having to load the entire site. Originally by: T'Amber
Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:54:55
Sounds good, i think 
Can haez now plz?
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s260/MrOosterman/eventmenu_version2_mouseover.jpg
-T'amber
wait thats real? i didnt see that event menu, is that really in sisi now? or something u made up thats wicked. Originally by: Gnulpie
Edited by: Gnulpie on 22/04/2010 17:28:16
Woah nice!!
Mmmh, pretty confusing everything though. I hope it will be easier than it sounds.
Also I still don't understand why some IN-GAME standings should affect my OUT-OF-GAME standings on a social network site. Sounds a bit odd to me. Or maybe I misunderstood something.
because its all 1 game, do you really want that pirate that you just set -10 in the game to be able to see your buddies and harass them? no so thats why... of course that cna be avoided by setting privacy to share with only +5 and higher |
DTson Gauur
Caldari
Blend.
Nulli Tertius |
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:30:00 - [ 13]
Quote:
you should not expect any homicidal behavior (unless you‘ve got use aggression set on your POS but then it was a homicidal maniac before as well)
Everytime I read this my mind goes to Odyssey 2001 HAL 9000 Saying: "I can't do that Dave..." |
Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere |
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:55:00 - [ 14]
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:01:00 - [ 15]
nice read  |
Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:03:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: DTson Gauur
Quote:
you should not expect any homicidal behavior (unless you‘ve got use aggression set on your POS but then it was a homicidal maniac before as well)
Everytime I read this my mind goes to Odyssey 2001 HAL 9000 Saying: "I can't do that Dave..."
The fratricidal* behavior of starbases is always unexpected, that's actually why it's so problematic * Let's hope they're still homicidal (in the right cases) |
Trabber Shir
Caldari
5I Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:05:00 - [ 17]
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Gil Danastre
Amarr
JAF-CO Exploration
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:09:00 - [ 18]
I like the "+5 and +10 can take from jetcans without penalty". Does this apply just to ones that say a miner jettisons, or even ones in asteroid belts from pirate wrecks? Also I assume that anything other than 5 or 10 standings behaves as now, aggression timer, flashy etc. |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:10:00 - [ 19]
I think this addresses my primary concerns. I will be setting all personal contacts to +4.9 [to be promoted to "Good"].
-Liang |
CCP Gecko
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:13:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Trabber Shir
iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.
Yes you are correct. All three drop downs have the "No Pilots" option. Note, as states above, all information that is already available in the "Show Info" window will be available to all players using EVE Gate as it is available in game. |
CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:42:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: CCP Karuck on 22/04/2010 19:49:33 Originally by: Louella Dougans
How many contacts can you have?
Is it still limited to 300?
Yes it's still 300. We will consider raising it later if needed. Originally by: Lord Helghast
Edited by: Lord Helghast on 22/04/2010 18:31:07
about evegate, why no dedicated button/box to post to evegate without having to load the entire site.
You mean in client? That's an interesting idea :) An yes, that UI screenshot was a player made mockup. |
Radgette |
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:44:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: CCP Gecko
Originally by: Trabber Shir
iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.
Yes you are correct. All three drop downs have the "No Pilots" option. Note, as states above, all information that is already available in the "Show Info" window will be available to all players using EVE Gate as it is available in game.
so yes or no can we go into eve gate and in 30 seconds have the names of every member of other corporations making intel gathering stupidly easy? or can we make our corporation / alliance member postings private making people still require to use spies and ingame methods / kb's etc to get intel |
Latex Sandals |
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:52:00 - [ 23]
EvE-Gate needs to be Opt-IN. Not Opt-out.
You are forcing people to log onto this thing so that they can protect their privacy and that is illegal in many places and certainly illogical in any place. |
Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise |
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:58:00 - [ 24]
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CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:00:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Radgette
Originally by: CCP Gecko
Originally by: Trabber Shir
iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.
Yes you are correct. All three drop downs have the "No Pilots" option. Note, as states above, all information that is already available in the "Show Info" window will be available to all players using EVE Gate as it is available in game.
so yes or no can we go into eve gate and in 30 seconds have the names of every member of other corporations making intel gathering stupidly easy? or can we make our corporation / alliance member postings private making people still require to use spies and ingame methods / kb's etc to get intel
We don't display corp member lists on EVE Gate to anyone except members of that corporation. If you are referring to the fact that the EVE Gate profile shows what corp you are in, showinfo ingame shows the same thing.. so we are not exposing anything new. I guess you are referring to broadcasts (status updates) when you ask about "member postings" ? When a character posts something to his wall, it's entirely up to him who can see it. Communication Officers in corporations can also post Corporation Broadcasts, and those are only visible to members of that corporation. Originally by: Latex Sandals
You are forcing people to log onto this thing so that they can protect their privacy and that is illegal in many places and certainly illogical in any place.
By default I think our privacy settings are pretty safe, unless you have high standings already towards people you don't want to see your information on EVE Gate. That's why you should go now and clean up your standings list. Also remember that we are now using standings more, and for more things than just EVE Gate settings, as detailed in the blog. People are also forgetting one important thing. Even though you can see contacts of people on EVE Gate, you don't see what the standings are.. so it could be Excellent or Terrible :) If I set a pirate or ISK spammer to Terrible, it doesn't mean I want to be his friend. |
Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise |
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:03:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Lord Helghast
because its all 1 game, do you really want that pirate that you just set -10 in the game to be able to see your buddies and harass them? no so thats why... of course that cna be avoided by setting privacy to share with only +5 and higher
Yes. I have people that I shoot in game but am quite friendly with. In-game standings affect who I shoot at. Out-of-game standings are who I'd want to talk to and let see my eve-gate (were I not to set eve-gate to "nobody,ever, at all" |
Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:06:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 22/04/2010 20:09:30Edited by: Batolemaeus on 22/04/2010 20:06:45 Originally by: CCP Karuck
showinfo ingame shows the same thing.. so we are not exposing anything new.
That's not the problem though. The problem is that evegate is much more accessible for a spider. You can't launch a spider at the eve client to extract a database of pilots and their corps. However, it's trivial to do just that with evegate. Eve has already become a war of the macros and technical tools to help with the client. I don't want the same to happen to cosmos/new eden/evegate/spacebook too. Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Yes. I have people that I shoot in game but am quite friendly with. In-game standings affect who I shoot at. Out-of-game standings are who I'd want to talk to and let see my eve-gate (were I not to set eve-gate to "nobody,ever, at all"
Dito. |
CCP Karuck
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:17:00 - [ 28]
Edited by: CCP Karuck on 22/04/2010 20:20:04 Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: CCP Karuck
showinfo ingame shows the same thing.. so we are not exposing anything new.
That's not the problem though. The problem is that evegate is much more accessible for a spider. You can't launch a spider at the eve client to extract a database of pilots and their corps. However, it's trivial to do just that with evegate.
I'm very much aware of that. You could create macros for the client as well, but this makes the information more accessible.. which is also one of the reasons for creating EVE Gate in the first place. EVE Gate will become much more than just a social networking site, and in the first version you can access your EVE mail, calendar and contacts. Plan is to integrate even more gameplay features into EVE Gate and in a sense make it an alternative game client, just don't expect to fly and shoot up other players there.. Edit: Oh, you could crawl these forums as well.. they show your corp don't they? |
Cassius Longinus
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:20:00 - [ 29]
Specifically in terms of standings on overview (and hopefully local/show-info as well):
I'm reading that this change will now mean, for people who don't edit their overview priorities, that +ve standings will override -ve standings, in situations where there are multiple relevant standings.
So, for example, by setting allianceX as +5 from my alliance, I'm making sure that all my pilots will see any allianceX pilot as blue on overview, despite what they may have set in corp or personal standings.
I could not do that by setting alliance -5, since any corp or personal standings of +ve values would override my -5.
(Assuming no changes to the default overview colortag priorities.)
Is that the plan? |
T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:25:00 - [ 30]
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Also you cannot set everything to no-one.