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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.04.22 16:44:00 - [1]
 

With Tyrannis comes EVE Gate, and with both comes changes to the old standings system. CCP Karuck and CCP Prism X's new dev blog details what those changes are.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.04.22 16:52:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Armoured C on 22/04/2010 16:52:56
first finally =D


good insight

cant wait for a new social networking thing for eve that i can sink my teeth into =)

good job

Manfred Rickenbocker
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.04.22 16:58:00 - [3]
 

Lookin' good! Cant wait to browse my mail outside of game!

Anonymous Trader
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:10:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Anonymous Trader on 22/04/2010 17:12:34
looks good!!

also 3rd ^^

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:28:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Gnulpie on 22/04/2010 17:28:16
Woah nice!!


Mmmh, pretty confusing everything though. I hope it will be easier than it sounds.

Also I still don't understand why some IN-GAME standings should affect my OUT-OF-GAME standings on a social network site. Sounds a bit odd to me. Or maybe I misunderstood something.

Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:36:00 - [6]
 

How many contacts can you have?

Is it still limited to 300?

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:52:00 - [7]
 

That new build better bring contact grouping back... Evil or Very Mad

Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate.

T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:54:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:54:55

Sounds good, i think Confused
Can haez now plz?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s260/MrOosterman/eventmenu_version2_mouseover.jpg
Linkification by Shadow.

-T'amber

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:55:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate.


Just set everything on the privacy settings page to "No one"? Neutral

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:12:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Catari Taga
Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate.


Just set everything on the privacy settings page to "No one"? Neutral


What Seth said. Though that's pretty antisocial Confused


cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:24:00 - [11]
 

All looks and sounds fine. Not hugely excited about this but it may prove to be usefull, we shall see.

Just one thing I find strange, how come 'NAPS' become +10 and friends only +5? Should that not be the other way around?

Lord Helghast
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:26:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Lord Helghast on 22/04/2010 18:31:07
Edited by: Lord Helghast on 22/04/2010 18:29:15
you'd think with this being done that treaties would be implimented at the same time.

all good moves besides lack of treaties....

about evegate, why no dedicated button/box to post to evegate without having to load the entire site.

Originally by: T'Amber
Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:54:55

Sounds good, i think Confused
Can haez now plz?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s260/MrOosterman/eventmenu_version2_mouseover.jpg

-T'amber



wait thats real? i didnt see that event menu, is that really in sisi now? or something u made up thats wicked.

Originally by: Gnulpie
Edited by: Gnulpie on 22/04/2010 17:28:16
Woah nice!!


Mmmh, pretty confusing everything though. I hope it will be easier than it sounds.

Also I still don't understand why some IN-GAME standings should affect my OUT-OF-GAME standings on a social network site. Sounds a bit odd to me. Or maybe I misunderstood something.


because its all 1 game, do you really want that pirate that you just set -10 in the game to be able to see your buddies and harass them? no so thats why... of course that cna be avoided by setting privacy to share with only +5 and higher

DTson Gauur
Caldari
Blend.
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:30:00 - [13]
 

Quote:
you should not expect any homicidal behavior (unless you‘ve got use aggression set on your POS but then it was a homicidal maniac before as well)


Everytime I read this my mind goes to Odyssey 2001 HAL 9000 Saying: "I can't do that Dave..."

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:55:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Catari Taga on 22/04/2010 19:03:05
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Catari Taga
Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate.


Just set everything on the privacy settings page to "No one"? Neutral


What Seth said. Though that's pretty antisocial Confused

Confirming I'm anti-social. Twisted Evil Also you cannot set everything to no-one.

edit:
Originally by: Lord Helghast
wait thats real? i didnt see that event menu, is that really in sisi now? or something u made up thats wicked.

You wish. Just an awesome proposal. Ingame calendar on SiSi is nothing like that.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:01:00 - [15]
 

nice read Very Happy

Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: DTson Gauur
Quote:
you should not expect any homicidal behavior (unless you‘ve got use aggression set on your POS but then it was a homicidal maniac before as well)


Everytime I read this my mind goes to Odyssey 2001 HAL 9000 Saying: "I can't do that Dave..."



The fratricidal* behavior of starbases is always unexpected, that's actually why it's so problematic Very Happy

* Let's hope they're still homicidal (in the right cases)

Trabber Shir
Caldari
5I Incorporated
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
Also you cannot set everything to no-one.

iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.

Originally by: Lord Helghast
Originally by: T'Amber
Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:54:55

Sounds good, i think Confused
Can haez now plz?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s260/MrOosterman/eventmenu_version2_mouseover.jpg

-T'amber



wait thats real? i didnt see that event menu, is that really in sisi now? or something u made up thats wicked.


I would also like to know if this is real.

Gil Danastre
Amarr
JAF-CO Exploration
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:09:00 - [18]
 

I like the "+5 and +10 can take from jetcans without penalty". Does this apply just to ones that say a miner jettisons, or even ones in asteroid belts from pirate wrecks? Also I assume that anything other than 5 or 10 standings behaves as now, aggression timer, flashy etc.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:10:00 - [19]
 

I think this addresses my primary concerns. I will be setting all personal contacts to +4.9 [to be promoted to "Good"].

-Liang

CCP Gecko

Posted - 2010.04.22 19:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Trabber Shir
iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.

Yes you are correct. All three drop downs have the "No Pilots" option. Note, as states above, all information that is already available in the "Show Info" window will be available to all players using EVE Gate as it is available in game.

CCP Karuck

Posted - 2010.04.22 19:42:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: CCP Karuck on 22/04/2010 19:49:33
Originally by: Louella Dougans
How many contacts can you have?
Is it still limited to 300?


Yes it's still 300. We will consider raising it later if needed.

Originally by: Lord Helghast
Edited by: Lord Helghast on 22/04/2010 18:31:07
about evegate, why no dedicated button/box to post to evegate without having to load the entire site.



You mean in client? That's an interesting idea :)

An yes, that UI screenshot was a player made mockup.

Radgette
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:44:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: CCP Gecko
Originally by: Trabber Shir
iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.

Yes you are correct. All three drop downs have the "No Pilots" option. Note, as states above, all information that is already available in the "Show Info" window will be available to all players using EVE Gate as it is available in game.



so yes or no can we go into eve gate and in 30 seconds have the names of every member of other corporations making intel gathering stupidly easy? or can we make our corporation / alliance member postings private making people still require to use spies and ingame methods / kb's etc to get intel

Latex Sandals
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:52:00 - [23]
 

EvE-Gate needs to be Opt-IN. Not Opt-out.

You are forcing people to log onto this thing so that they can protect their privacy and that is illegal in many places and certainly illogical in any place.

Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:58:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Catari Taga
Also WTB opt-out of EVE-Gate.


Just set everything on the privacy settings page to "No one"? Neutral


Why should I have to? I should have to make the conscious decision to participate in this thing rather than having it forced on me. The 70-80% of people in EvE that never read the forums will never log onto EvE-Gate and will never know that their private in-game information is out there free for anybody to look at.

CCP Karuck

Posted - 2010.04.22 20:00:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Radgette
Originally by: CCP Gecko
Originally by: Trabber Shir
iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.

Yes you are correct. All three drop downs have the "No Pilots" option. Note, as states above, all information that is already available in the "Show Info" window will be available to all players using EVE Gate as it is available in game.



so yes or no can we go into eve gate and in 30 seconds have the names of every member of other corporations making intel gathering stupidly easy? or can we make our corporation / alliance member postings private making people still require to use spies and ingame methods / kb's etc to get intel


We don't display corp member lists on EVE Gate to anyone except members of that corporation.
If you are referring to the fact that the EVE Gate profile shows what corp you are in, showinfo ingame shows the same thing.. so we are not exposing anything new.

I guess you are referring to broadcasts (status updates) when you ask about "member postings" ? When a character posts something to his wall, it's entirely up to him who can see it. Communication Officers in corporations can also post Corporation Broadcasts, and those are only visible to members of that corporation.

Originally by: Latex Sandals

You are forcing people to log onto this thing so that they can protect their privacy and that is illegal in many places and certainly illogical in any place.


By default I think our privacy settings are pretty safe, unless you have high standings already towards people you don't want to see your information on EVE Gate. That's why you should go now and clean up your standings list.
Also remember that we are now using standings more, and for more things than just EVE Gate settings, as detailed in the blog.

People are also forgetting one important thing. Even though you can see contacts of people on EVE Gate, you don't see what the standings are.. so it could be Excellent or Terrible :) If I set a pirate or ISK spammer to Terrible, it doesn't mean I want to be his friend.

Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:03:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Lord Helghast


because its all 1 game, do you really want that pirate that you just set -10 in the game to be able to see your buddies and harass them? no so thats why... of course that cna be avoided by setting privacy to share with only +5 and higher


Yes. I have people that I shoot in game but am quite friendly with. In-game standings affect who I shoot at. Out-of-game standings are who I'd want to talk to and let see my eve-gate (were I not to set eve-gate to "nobody,ever, at all"


Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:06:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 22/04/2010 20:09:30
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 22/04/2010 20:06:45
Originally by: CCP Karuck
showinfo ingame shows the same thing.. so we are not exposing anything new.



That's not the problem though. The problem is that evegate is much more accessible for a spider. You can't launch a spider at the eve client to extract a database of pilots and their corps. However, it's trivial to do just that with evegate.

Eve has already become a war of the macros and technical tools to help with the client. I don't want the same to happen to cosmos/new eden/evegate/spacebook too.

Originally by: Ephemeral Waves

Yes. I have people that I shoot in game but am quite friendly with. In-game standings affect who I shoot at. Out-of-game standings are who I'd want to talk to and let see my eve-gate (were I not to set eve-gate to "nobody,ever, at all"



Dito.

CCP Karuck

Posted - 2010.04.22 20:17:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: CCP Karuck on 22/04/2010 20:20:04
Originally by: Batolemaeus


Originally by: CCP Karuck
showinfo ingame shows the same thing.. so we are not exposing anything new.



That's not the problem though. The problem is that evegate is much more accessible for a spider. You can't launch a spider at the eve client to extract a database of pilots and their corps. However, it's trivial to do just that with evegate.


I'm very much aware of that. You could create macros for the client as well, but this makes the information more accessible.. which is also one of the reasons for creating EVE Gate in the first place.
EVE Gate will become much more than just a social networking site, and in the first version you can access your EVE mail, calendar and contacts. Plan is to integrate even more gameplay features into EVE Gate and in a sense make it an alternative game client, just don't expect to fly and shoot up other players there..

Edit: Oh, you could crawl these forums as well.. they show your corp don't they?

Cassius Longinus
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:20:00 - [29]
 

Specifically in terms of standings on overview (and hopefully local/show-info as well):

I'm reading that this change will now mean, for people who don't edit their overview priorities, that +ve standings will override -ve standings, in situations where there are multiple relevant standings.

So, for example, by setting allianceX as +5 from my alliance, I'm making sure that all my pilots will see any allianceX pilot as blue on overview, despite what they may have set in corp or personal standings.

I could not do that by setting alliance -5, since any corp or personal standings of +ve values would override my -5.

(Assuming no changes to the default overview colortag priorities.)

Is that the plan?

T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.04.22 20:25:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Trabber Shir
Originally by: Catari Taga
Also you cannot set everything to no-one.

iirc, the previous blog said you should be able to set everything to private except what is already visible in the "show info" window.

Originally by: Lord Helghast
Originally by: T'Amber
Edited by: T''Amber on 22/04/2010 17:54:55

Sounds good, i think Confused
Can haez now plz?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s260/MrOosterman/eventmenu_version2_mouseover.jpg

-T'amber



wait thats real? i didnt see that event menu, is that really in sisi now? or something u made up thats wicked.


I would also like to know if this is real.


Its not, I made it for my CSM agenda, along with some other cool stuff.
Also good to see that Chribba is posting on first pages again.

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