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Lia'Vael
Caldari
Migrant Fleet
Posted - 2010.07.15 00:48:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Voith
Edited by: Voith on 14/07/2010 12:29:35
Originally by: Lia'Vael
Hmm I leave for a little bit and it grows a page and voith is still crying like a 13 year old and spewing his conflicting argument. Cloaking hardly makes someone perfectly safe (read up on the drawbacks and come back), about the covert cyno you whined.
Originally by: Voith
Covert Cyno.

That one just became 20 stealth bombers and recons.

Originally by: Voith
Yes, lets permantly have a gang of 10 to 20 people around where ever I go!


Looks to me you dont like it when non blues are around even idling.
Originally by: Voith
When I rat I rat in a system so in the middle of no where I don't even see blues there. So I'm not really effected by "AFK Cloaking".

Yes cloaking doesn't "affect" you yet you whine about it without knowledge of it or the tactics used with cloaking. Yeah theres absolutely no way you're just a carebear whining about the "big meanie" cloaker. What you want is to make isk in peace where others can't harm you, boy.You're too easy to read Voith.

Ganking does happen in WH, the lack of local destroys the careless and the stupid on all sides, an inhabited WH isn't hard to find, local gives too much information anyways. I can safely say I don't need it at all, can you? Oh right you would cry and squirm.

Now I must say either state an issue with cloaking or HTFU and let this whinefest die, or bring me cheese (Butterkase or Camembert please) because your tears go so well with it.

Don't mistake someone answering a question with someone complaining. Someone asked how one ship could be dangerous, I answered. If you bother to read you will notice I have mentioned several times that I enjoy Covert Cynos. I also pointed out the idiocy of expecting people to have a constant gang around them every time they undock, which is idiocy.

Again, you seem to fault people for 1) Being informed and 2) Being Realistic.

I'm sorry I don't share your view that Eve should be risk free consensual only PvP like WoW. As much as you and other tap dance around the issue that is exactly what you want.

You want the ability to avoid any engagement where you don't wish to fight, ie consensual only PvP; and you want the ability to slip out and avoid any losses, ie Risk Free.

You have found a loophole in Eve's design now you and the other WoW-tards are doing your damnedest to preserve it.

I have stated about a dozen times the issues with Cloaking. 1) Risk Free 2) No Counter. Both are totally against all that Eve stands for. Even docking in 0.0 or undocking in Empire has risk, but cloaking does not. Even ships such as Titans have counters, but not the 500k module that requires 1 hour of training.

Again, perhaps you should read before you make a bigger ass of yourself.


Cloaking isn't risk free, I'm surprised you can even keep a thought since you fail to realize this. WoW world PvP is hardly consensual, ganking noobs is possibly the funniest past time now since they can have both ally and horde chars on a pvp server, Voith you're full of yourself. A cloaker does have a counter, its call intelligence, you clearly lack it. A normal ship with a cloak gets weighed down, all its good for is really afking in a safespot but even then they aren't doing anything useful they're effectively benign, a few of the cloak specialized ships (I'm calling them cloakers from now on) can warp and cloak that is what makes their tactics unique and effective but a prepared enemy can devastate a cloaker.

Originally by: Voith
Non-mutual War Decs should be 1 billion isk per dec, doubling for each active Dec, and cost 250 million a week to sustain, doubling for each active Dec.


You say you want PvP but each time you give out gems like these you just contradict yourself. I may be a proud WoW player but at least I'm not a pansy like you, son.

Voith
Posted - 2010.07.15 01:05:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Lia'Vael
Originally by: Voith
Edited by: Voith on 14/07/2010 12:29:35
Clipped for space
You say you want PvP but each time you give out gems like these you just contradict yourself. I may be a proud WoW player but at least I'm not a pansy like you, son.


Cloaking isn't risk free? Ok, I'm cloaked in jita right now. If you kill me I will give you 1 billion Isk.

What? you cry like 1 billion isk is meaningful.

ProTip: Real PvP alliances field hundreds of billions of ISK worth of cap ships routinely. Even low sec gankers have a fondness for faction battleships at a billion or so each. Truly 1 billion isk is sooooooooooo expensive. Rolling Eyes It isn't like there is a blog where some guy starts fresh and explores up to a half billion in a few days.

If you bother to read instead of just forum searching you will notice it was a direct shot against "Empire Mercs". They claim to all be bank rolled by major alliances to fight their wars for them, but magically that bankroll would disappear if they were expected to actually have to shell out any meaningful amount of cash.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.07.15 01:06:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Dungheap
Originally by: Voith
AFK Cloaking is broken and goes against everything Eve and real PvPers stand for: Risk.

It allows a person to assume no risk and to effect the game of others. If you like AFK cloaking you should go back to woW.


who's the real pvp'er? the guy several dozen jumps behind enemy lines, hunting you in a cloaker? or the half-dozen nullbears spinning in the station, crying on forums because 1 (one) player has shut down their entire system?



You see this?


Last month I spent several weeks in NPC nullsec. You know what happens there? I pop out of that wormhole, and suddenly all of the ships on the D-scanner are no longer on D-scanner. Players with like 3.0+ sec status out there in 0.0. Funny thing is, I check the map to see the pilot stats. Wow, like 20 pilots in system in last 24 hours, yet number of faction ship kills nearing 1000.

By this time, someone else shows up in system, usually in a Pilgrim or or apoc and starts smacking right at me. Didn't do a damned thing. Usually have to run the smack through an online translator.

You know why this thread is so long? Because one person in a cloak shuts down the real AFKers and their money machines. Can't keep that rat-bot going when it's programmed to SS or Dock, can you? Didn't think so.

At this point, while I can understand a gripe with TRUE AFK players (which can be solved by a server that checks for input over a given range, like 30 minutes, and assumes the player fell asleep or got dragged to bed by his GF too fast to log out) for the bandwidth usage, those who resort to Jan Brady-level harping, name calling, and outright denial of logic in their crusade against the cloak, certainly fit the profile of someone who is running macros. They act the same whether they are smacking here or on 0.0 local while they try to camp you in station (fail: I never dock in hostile space).




Lia'Vael
Caldari
Migrant Fleet
Posted - 2010.07.15 05:17:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Lia'Vael
Originally by: Voith

Non-mutual War Decs should be 1 billion isk per dec, doubling for each active Dec, and cost 250 million a week to sustain, doubling for each active Dec.

You say you want PvP but each time you give out gems like these you just contradict yourself. I may be a proud WoW player but at least I'm not a pansy like you, son.


Cloaking isn't risk free? Ok, I'm cloaked in jita right now. If you kill me I will give you 1 billion Isk.

What? you cry like 1 billion isk is meaningful.

ProTip: Real PvP alliances field hundreds of billions of ISK worth of cap ships routinely. Even low sec gankers have a fondness for faction battleships at a billion or so each. Truly 1 billion isk is sooooooooooo expensive. Rolling Eyes It isn't like there is a blog where some guy starts fresh and explores up to a half billion in a few days.

If you bother to read instead of just forum searching you will notice it was a direct shot against "Empire Mercs". They claim to all be bank rolled by major alliances to fight their wars for them, but magically that bankroll would disappear if they were expected to actually have to shell out any meaningful amount of cash.



I don't goto jita, I have an alt for that. Anyways high-sec war decs are fine, non-mutual or mutual EVE is a pvp game if you don't like getting wardeced, high-sec or not, gtfo, no-one will miss your whiney remarks. I wasn't commenting on the price I was commenting on the non-mutual part. I show you your own remark which contradicts your supposed stance and you fail to notice. Just exactly how bullheaded are you, boy.

An AFK cloaker does nothing and is nothing, an active cloaker can be trapped and baited, dont blame your failures on the cloak blame yourself because you were the one to fail while the cloak was working as intended, you lack preparation and intel from your 0.0 Alliance you deserve to lose your ship. Learn from your mistakes and you wont become a simple target.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.07.15 06:55:00 - [245]
 

Edited by: foksieloy on 15/07/2010 06:55:10
Edited by: foksieloy on 15/07/2010 06:54:57
Originally by: Voith
Cloaking isn't risk free? Ok, I'm cloaked in jita right now. If you kill me I will give you 1 billion Isk.


Why would he even try killing you? You are being utterly useless, and therefore not a threat.

Oh and about cloaking in Jita there is this fun event I recall, when a friend of mine warped to a random planet at 70km, and activated his smartbombs for a test in his battleship. There was a cloaked ship nearby and my friend got concorded.

Hilarity ensued.

Exodus02
Posted - 2010.07.15 07:15:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
Edited by: foksieloy on 15/07/2010 06:55:10
Edited by: foksieloy on 15/07/2010 06:54:57
Originally by: Voith
Cloaking isn't risk free? Ok, I'm cloaked in jita right now. If you kill me I will give you 1 billion Isk.


Why would he even try killing you? You are being utterly useless, and therefore not a threat.

Oh and about cloaking in Jita there is this fun event I recall, when a friend of mine warped to a random planet at 70km, and activated his smartbombs for a test in his battleship. There was a cloaked ship nearby and my friend got concorded.

Hilarity ensued.


Hold on, you mean he KILLED a CLOAKER????

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.07.15 09:17:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Exodus02
Hold on, you mean he KILLED a CLOAKER????


Without even trying to. Fun, isn't it? If only the cloaked ship had an invulnerability field, you know, the one that makes you invulnerable...

jerichot
Cutish Brunts
Posted - 2010.07.15 11:57:00 - [248]
 

The only thing that need redesign is you growing a pair, that's all.

And while you're at it, stop being a freaking hypocrit. Your whining is all about red/neutrals being in your little farming area, while you're wh*ring rats, plex, anomalies or macroing. Always make me laugh hearing the 0.0 big boys teasing the empire carebears , the biggest carebear population is in 0.0 , they farm all day long and when someone come in, they either dock, log or bring 10 times more ships than the intruder(s).

In fact, CCP should remove local in 0.0 , less blob, less afk/macro ratters/miners , all these people have it way to easy.

Voith
Posted - 2010.07.15 12:21:00 - [249]
 

Edited by: Voith on 15/07/2010 12:26:46
Originally by: foksieloy
Edited by: foksieloy on 15/07/2010 06:55:10
Edited by: foksieloy on 15/07/2010 06:54:57
Originally by: Voith
Cloaking isn't risk free? Ok, I'm cloaked in jita right now. If you kill me I will give you 1 billion Isk.


Why would he even try killing you? You are being utterly useless, and therefore not a threat.

Oh and about cloaking in Jita there is this fun event I recall, when a friend of mine warped to a random planet at 70km, and activated his smartbombs for a test in his battleship. There was a cloaked ship nearby and my friend got concorded.

Hilarity ensued.


this one time at band camp...


The non mutual part was because I didn't want to screw setups like RvB, but understanding something is clearly beyond your limited capacity.

The only defense I'm hearing regarding Cloaking is crying about Local. Which CCP already listened to you to give you thousands of systems with out local, or the blobbing you're also crying about. But you won't take their fix, because local isn't the problem you failing is. As I have said again and again and again the local is just a scape goat for you.

Hell, you don't even have to buy the skillbooks and the equipment to probe tutorial agents give them out. But apparently being handed your fix on a silver platter isn't enough for you. Instead you're e-honor is so offended when someone states the obvious that you sit here for days or even weeks trading jabs with a posting alt.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.07.15 14:19:00 - [250]
 

What is this I don't even

Voith recheck your implants, it seems you plugged the speech centre to your Id and not to your superego.

Mella Elcus
Posted - 2010.07.15 17:34:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Voith

The only defense I'm hearing regarding Cloaking is crying about Local. Which CCP already listened to you to give you thousands of systems with out local, or the blobbing you're also crying about. But you won't take their fix, because local isn't the problem you failing is. As I have said again and again and again the local is just a scape goat for you.

What exactly are you talking about? Is it cloaking in general or is it afk cloaking? They are two different things with two different solutions.

Can you not see the connection between afk cloaking and local?
A question for you: Why would anyone afk cloak if there was no local?

The real problem goes far beyond afk cloaking, but here after 9 pages you still don't get that.

Tyriana McLoren
Caldari
The Republic of Free Trade
Posted - 2010.07.15 19:37:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Voith

Originally by: Tyriana McLoren

(i.e. bomber .. as if a bomber can really do a whole lot)


Proof you don't have a clue about PvP quoted for all to see.


Voith, I assure you I know enough about PvP and my stealth bomber. What I was saying is that you make it seem as though 1 stealth bomber has the efficiency of an entire fleet... which proves you don't know anything about PvP if you continue to portray this mogul attitude towards these replies. If 1 stealth bomber has you worried, then perhaps you don't belong in that particular area. What I was getting at is that any 'sane'/'smart' person in nullsec will have OTHER PEOPLE WITH THEM. So ya a SB can uncloak and start to pound on your little ratting ship or your mining barge, but it shouldn't take your corp mates but a few seconds to warp to your rescue. Again assuming you were too brain dead to be properly aligned already.

Now, judging by your blatant remarks about people without even reading anything else they post (i.e. my legitimate questions previously) just proves what most are saying about you in this whole thread. You are either trolling, or are just upset because you don't like cloaks on a personal level.

Why else would you completely disregard questions? You only pick things completely out of context to start bashing people on ... as if quoting what I said about SB's for all to see really mean anything to me, or anybody else. You seem to only be doing all of this for your own person forum flame fame... (i.e. you ARE a troll).

So, until you can respond like a human being and answer legitimate questions without starting a flame war on every single sentence you type, I don't think many are going to take you seriously once bit.

Mackenna
Amarr
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.07.15 19:42:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Zalafas
This is an odd argument. I spend a fair amount of time in w-space, where I don't even know if there's any hostiles in system for the most part. I can have someone warp in without warning and start tackling me, and then have 6, 7, 8 other ships warp on top of me, without anything showing up in local! That's what happened to my main, yesterday -- no warning at all. It's part of w-space.

I can use directional scan, but I have to keep clicking that repeatedly, and that only works if someone is within 14.4 AU and uncloaked. Dscan also isn't going to show me every ship in the system, only whoever happens to be decloaked (in fact, I'm most likely to only see their probes). So, there could be ten cloaked hostiles, and all I'll know is that there's some combat scanner probes out.

Again, the above is part of operating in w-space. The thing is, I tend to think of nullsec as a step up from w-space, for the most part. You have outposts in nullsec, you have ice mining, you have moon mining, you don't have to scan to find asteroids (or wait for a grav site to spawn, if there aren't any). You can just check local to see if someone's in the system, too. But that's not enough -- you want to be able to probe down cloakers / afk cloakers too, because you just have to have 100% certainty that you won't get ganked. You have so much going for you, and yet, you want to have more safety than people in w-space do! I don't get it.

Indeed, when a w-system connects to nullsec, everyone in the system is on alert, because the people that come out of nullsec usually are in pretty well-fit ships, and tend to operate in sizable groups. But apparently they need even more safety, even more certainty in their home systems.

I can see where you'd want to make cloakers probe-able for other game balance purposes -- there's no Law of Physics that says that a space game must allow you to cloak AFK somewhere. But I don't think the safety of 0.0 ratters/miners is a good rationale. The phrase "safety of 0.0 ratters/miners" is, or ought to be, an oxymoron. :)


For me, it has nothing to do with Safety.

Moving beyond your post, it's also not about "being butthurt over losing a hulk" (really mr 40-IQ? is that the best thing you can contribute to the discussion?), being a carebear, wanting to spend my days afk-ratting, or afk-mining.

Sovereignty should mean something here. Cloaks should work but they should also have some sort of valid counter.

It is the cloaker that is the actual carebear. Those of us wanting a counter to this are not looking to avoid a fight... we're looking for a way to engage them in our space and defend it from their intrusion. W-space isn't owned by anyone and thus the way it works makes sense.

Should people be able to cloak? Absolutely.. it's a nice mechanic.

Should someone be able to use a cloak to sit in someone else's sovereign system for weeks, all day and all night without fear of being found? No. One lone person should not be allowed to waltz into enemy territory and then be functionally untouchable, provided he makes it away from the choke-point at the gate.

My solution is this:

Create a frequency setting that you must set for your cloak....say, (just off the top of my head) 0000.001 to 9999.999 Allow it to have a default, and allow it to be changed at any time, with a small penalty applied to the amount of time before you can re-cloak with the new frequency.

Allow Ship scanners and probes to attune to a frequency. Results start appearing at .100 away from the setting. 100% happens when you nail the frequency.



Omenis
Posted - 2010.07.15 23:45:00 - [254]
 

I'm not actually following this thread. I'm alt-tabbed into my other account running scams in Jita.

But I hope my presence here frightens you.

Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.16 14:13:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Mackenna
Black Star Alliance



You realise that it if wasnt for all the BSA carebear running as soon as someone is reported in local 4 jumps out, I wouldnt have to park some AFK cloaker "furious ratter" in your "zomg win sov holding space" to hope to get any actual kills ...

And dont try to say you even "tried" to counter the cloaking tactic yet, you never actually camp your chokepoint ... and you only have 1... , or try to put any decent bait operation ...


What you fail to realise, my dear friend, I that everytime GK strike with "lame covert tactic - Black opos drop", several billion isk worth of ship are put on the line from the GK side to kill anomaly running carrier (I mean just how safe your space actually is already)


The point I am trying to make is, if I didnt had to park a "AFK cloaker" in your "win sov holding space" in the hope of getting any kills, I wouldnt ... but you got local to know whenever someone is there ... so its the only way left to kill anything ...


but things remain like they are, BSA never put any decent bait, never camp any chokepoint, and come running on forum crying for CCP to make their "win sov holding space" more safe ...



But the main point remain, that AFK cloak doesnt need balance ... simply because its a balance to local ...

I would never mind a change like the one you are proposing, if local get removed, because I would never "HAVE" to afk cloak in my ship

and on your side, if you know I am in your system, you have a way to locate me, Its simply that you dont instantly know I am there unless you camp chokepoint, run locator agent, use spy ... or get lucky ^^


therefore:

Remove local / make a way to detect cloak (Mackenna way seem interresting in that respect)

or

Leave everything as it is


The interresting thing is , everyone asking for a removal of local in 0.0, would probably not mind if there was a way to detect cloaked ships, but everyone asking for a way to detect cloaked ship , will never agree with a change on local ...

Mackenna
Amarr
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.07.16 17:00:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Mackenna on 16/07/2010 17:00:57
Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras
Originally by: Mackenna
Black Star Alliance



You realise that it if wasnt for all the BSA carebear running as soon as someone is reported in local 4 jumps out, I wouldnt have to park some AFK cloaker "furious ratter" in your "zomg win sov holding space" to hope to get any actual kills ...



I get your point; I used too many words and some of the were probably too big. I'll say it again. This time, as directly as I can:

I'm proposing a change that will allow us to fight if I employ a reasonable amount of skill and effort to find you, just like anywhere else in the game.


Mark Hadden
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.16 18:06:00 - [257]
 

Edited by: Mark Hadden on 16/07/2010 18:19:31
Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras

but things remain like they are, BSA never put any decent bait, never camp any chokepoint, and come running on forum crying for CCP to make their "win sov holding space" more safe ...


sounds like a perfect place for a cloaky ganker ^^

Originally by: Mackenna
I'm proposing a change that will allow us to fight if I employ a reasonable amount of skill and effort to find you, just like anywhere else in the game.


yeah, of course you propose such a change - for being able to throw all your bears on a single dude roaming your space and then go on with your PvE activities in full safety.
This does not work that way and this is the reason cloaks arent detecteable, thanks CCP.
Lone, weak cloakys need the safety, the cloak provides, not the hordes of ISK farmers, they have enough of it.

Zyress
Posted - 2010.07.16 18:37:00 - [258]
 

Edited by: Zyress on 16/07/2010 18:38:06
I wouldn't worry too much about a single cloaked ship, the ones that do it without penalty aren't very terrifying ships ( well, maybe a pilgrim could be scary), and the terrifying ships that do it are so penalized, that as long as you stay aligned to something you should have no problem evading them

Mackenna
Amarr
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.07.16 19:36:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Mark Hadden

yeah, of course you propose such a change - for being able to throw all your bears on a single dude roaming your space and then go on with your PvE activities in full safety.
This does not work that way and this is the reason cloaks arent detecteable, thanks CCP.
Lone, weak cloakys need the safety, the cloak provides, not the hordes of ISK farmers, they have enough of it.


This poor, lone, enemy pilot;

..who is most likely an alt setup specifically for the purpose of this one single, low-risk task.

..who lives there, dug in like a tick, never moving out of the system.

...whose sole task is to drop cynos for his corp to come screaming through to attack miners, haulers, and carriers.

Oh my, he needs safety... he needs to be in total control of when combat begins and with whom. Not just now and then, but all day every day, for as long as he can keep 2 or 3 clients connected. He needs the kind of protection that only a trump of a game mechanic can provide.

...and you call me a carebear. Priceless.

Lithia Tsanov
Posted - 2010.07.17 07:31:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Zmorana
To sumarize the useful signal and ignore the noise...



You've ignored the part where they're easy to decloak and kill. We've shown you the stats to prove it (I kill between 25 and 75 cloakers per week). Was this noise, or something you chose to ignore because it doesn't fit your utopia?

I could see an argument for a small nerf (you can't cloak with hull damage), but that's about as far as I'll bend on the issue.

If a single grief-cloaker terrifies you to the point where you feel it ruins your game, then you need to take your game back to empire.

LT

Syniztur
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2010.07.17 10:08:00 - [261]
 

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Nomedasi
Posted - 2010.07.17 10:36:00 - [262]
 

simple solution make non-covert ops cloak fitted ships burn cap to stay cloaked. You would eventually run out and de-cloak. Is a simple solution.

Mark Hadden
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.17 11:38:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Mackenna

..who is most likely an alt setup specifically for the purpose of this one single, low-risk task.

..who lives there, dug in like a tick, never moving out of the system.

in other words, he's doing it right.

Originally by: Mackenna

...whose sole task is to drop cynos for his corp to come screaming through to attack miners, haulers, and carriers.

and you're mad because of it.

Originally by: Mackenna

Oh my, he needs safety... he needs to be in total control of when combat begins and with whom.

if it would be different, there were no threats in 0.0 for bears.

Originally by: Mackenna

Not just now and then, but all day every day, for as long as he can keep 2 or 3 clients connected.

yes, why not? He's paying for his 2-3 clients.


Originally by: Mackenna
...and you call me a carebear. Priceless.

yes, I still do.

SirRalph
Minmatar
U.K.R.A.I.N.E
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2010.07.17 19:01:00 - [264]
 

100 pilots in system, carebearing.

One neutral enters system and cloaks.

100 pilots sit inside station because they fear that they would get ganked by this one man.

Seriously, if you are so afraid of one single pilot, you shouldn't be in 0.0 at all.

Even if that would engage some of the 100 pilots, it's pretty much 100% sure that if those 100 guys aren't in DEFY, they will kill the solo pilot.

Also, cloaked pilot can't shoot.

This is just 0.0 carebears whine, so they could farm and farm 23/7 and leave their bots online without any fears.

Larinioides cornutus
Posted - 2010.07.18 00:34:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: SirRalph
100 pilots in system, carebearing.

One neutral enters system and cloaks.

100 pilots sit inside station because they fear that they would get ganked by this one man.

Seriously, if you are so afraid of one single pilot, you shouldn't be in 0.0 at all.

Even if that would engage some of the 100 pilots, it's pretty much 100% sure that if those 100 guys aren't in DEFY, they will kill the solo pilot.

Also, cloaked pilot can't shoot.

This is just 0.0 carebears whine, so they could farm and farm 23/7 and leave their bots online without any fears.


So said the guy who cloak and sit there in 0.0 in fear of carebears blowing his ass off. If somehow cloaks can be neutralized, 0.0 bots and useless carebears will still ss and dock when cloakers go in the system, nothing will change in that department. However, mindful people now have the chance to hunt cloakers down and kill it. Thus, bringing pvp to their doorstep. Cloakers go to hostile territories seeking pvp, now they can have it (instead of THE DOCK), what's not to like?

Talaan Stardrifter
Universal Exports
Posted - 2010.07.19 08:52:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Mackenna
My solution is this:

Create a frequency setting that you must set for your cloak....say, (just off the top of my head) 0000.001 to 9999.999 Allow it to have a default, and allow it to be changed at any time, with a small penalty applied to the amount of time before you can re-cloak with the new frequency.

Allow Ship scanners and probes to attune to a frequency. Results start appearing at .100 away from the setting. 100% happens when you nail the frequency.
CCP has stated that they want to remove local, but wont until better intel tools are invented. I believe this idea, lets call it Cloak Harmonic Frequency, is a good candidate, but with a few tweaks:

Frequency range is way too large. 100,000 variations would probably be a more suitable range e.g. 250.000 GHz to 349.999 GHz.

Create a new Probe type (Astrometrics 4) or add the capability to Deep Space Probes (Astro 5) for 'fast scan' which detects only presence of ships, but does not provide any location info.

Allow the 'fast scan' to be automagically run continuously (pending scan time), and possibly add an audible alert when ship is detected (after filters applied)
Allow the 'fast scan' and combat probes to specifiy a 'cloak harmonics frequency' that will detect cloaked ships (Mackenna's idea)
Allow the 'fast scan' to randomize or cycle through cloak harmonic frequencies for each scan.

Any ship that is cloaked can only scan for ships on the same frequency (ie, can't hunt cloaked ships if you're cloaked)

Cloak Harmonic Frequency can only be changed when cloak is inactive (no additional reactivation delay. it's already at 30 seconds)

Now that we have a system that can emulate local, local can be removed.
This is not a perfect intel system like local. it gives cloakers a fighting chance (pun intended), but satisfies the need for timely intel on system population.

I expect this to be pretty intensive on the database though.


BillyWhite
Posted - 2010.07.19 10:07:00 - [267]
 

FAULTY CLOAK?

Just add a very small exponentially increasing chance that a cloak will fail.

Lets say 1% after an hour and 5% after 5 hours.

No cowardly griefer would afk cloaked and those that do have the right spirit being drunk and such like.

Billyred




Mark Hadden
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.19 11:09:00 - [268]
 

there is nothing wrong with afk cloaking. Its actually, the only threat to carebears thanks to local.

Larinioides cornutus
Posted - 2010.07.19 11:19:00 - [269]
 

Edited by: Larinioides cornutus on 19/07/2010 11:27:43
Originally by: Talaan Stardrifter
CCP has stated that they want to remove local, but wont until better intel tools are invented. I believe this idea, lets call it Cloak Harmonic Frequency, is a good candidate, but with a few tweaks:
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We can do it the simple way: Comm Fluid Jammer
+ 10 mins cycle, effect start at the end of cycle. Eats 500 heavy water per cycle.
+ Force delayed local
+ Wipe local once when it goes active.
+ You can move and warp when this module is active.
+ When active, it says "Local Jammed" as part of system info at top left of screen.
+ The jammer graphical effect appear next to the originating ship at the beginning of its cycle and is visible on the overview system-wide just like a cyno but cannot be warped to. It however, can be locked and shot. It has very little hp.

+ Remove all cloaks and prevent all further cloaking once it goes active
+ Also remove all penalties for having a cloak fitted
+ Optionally, +1 warp str to all ships with cloak fitted in system

Larinioides cornutus
Posted - 2010.07.21 09:06:00 - [270]
 

I find it amusing that everyone has suddenly gone quiet after I suggest trading "no local" for "no cloak" =/


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