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Alchemos
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:31:00 - [1171]
 

Looking at the killmails it kinda does look like something is up. He always does it with only the same 2-3 characters. He could just know a lot about how bots work and time his logins accordingly though.

The strange part is he has not gotten any kills using it since the thread was made though, that seems like the perfect time to do it for maximum troll effect if that was his goal. A lot of people defending him too, which seems strange because if he really didn't exploit he would not even need to respond in a serious manner at all.

I am pretty jealous he found a way to do this exploit or not, looks like mad fun.

buttesauce
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:31:00 - [1172]
 

i think the most damning evidence is that he hasn't killed anyone since this thread was posted. getting stuck in a wormhole sure is convenient... because it never happened or he went there on purpose.

PL is pretty terrible anyway... i guess you guys had to recruit elitist ops to pull you up by the boot straps

rororor
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:39:00 - [1173]
 

just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:42:00 - [1174]
 

Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
I have heard rumor that Monkeysphere is in fact the developer behind the macro ratter program all these cheater is use and he has put a secret command into this program that will hide him in local, warp to certain planet for him to kill, transfer isk to his character and have cyber with him even.

You're lying, he is innocent pvper!

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:47:00 - [1175]
 

Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?

Praporschik
Caldari
SoT
Soldiers of Thunderstorm
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:48:00 - [1176]
 

PL overloading damage control but it still could not control damage.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:48:00 - [1177]
 

Originally by: Jeremey

You're lying, he is innocent pvper!


Off-topic.Applebabe

Also, El, you can call me xenophobic all you want, but I read the russian thread, and the way that botting is openly talked about on that forum is disturbing in the most extreme sense, its like you guys don't even care if people find out on that forum.

The first pages of the thread are full of botters crying about it, so you can park your high horse over in the shed, and come down here with the rest of the filth, your not fooling anybody.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:49:00 - [1178]
 

Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:54:58
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?

Macrorussians in golems fitted in x-type, of course. How's The Monkeysphere can kill, if it's not them?

Originally by: Grath Telkin
And you were being openly laughed at by the 60th page of the EVE-RU thread, because your gullible in a way that no breathing human has a right to be.

Sorry, I found no mentions of me on 60th page, so I think you confused the page.

But you're right in that if someone at eve-ru told that I'm pathetic - that it clearly means that The Monkeysphere is innocent and haven't used that exploit.

Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:51:00 - [1179]
 

Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 23/04/2010 05:53:13
Originally by: Raivi
I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it.
It shouldn't be hard to replicate standard macroratter behavior (random waiting time after somebody entered and left system, random belts, etc). I don't think that he wants to prove you that you're wrong, more like he wants to check how's it possible w/o using any exploits.

Still - this doesn't explain how he caught guys in expensive ships while they had one eye on local and another one on secure channel.
Originally by: Grath Telkin
The first pages of the thread are full of botters crying about it, so you can park your high horse over in the shed, and come down here with the rest of the filth, your not fooling anybody.
Post here a proof.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:52:00 - [1180]
 

Originally by: Praporschik
PL overloading damage control but it still could not control damage.


Little known fact: the ability to overload your damage control is the first exploit Monkey ever programmed. He was only 13 at the time.

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:54:00 - [1181]
 

Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592

obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.

tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.

Bad Kroxa
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:00:00 - [1182]
 

We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.

If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!

Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:01:00 - [1183]
 

Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Praporschik
PL overloading damage control but it still could not control damage.


Little known fact: the ability to overload your damage control is the first exploit Monkey ever programmed. He was only 13 at the time.


Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Very Happy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!

Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:09:00 - [1184]
 

Inappropriate remarks removed.Applebabe

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:09:00 - [1185]
 

Inappropriate remarks removed.Applebabe

I think Awox is innocent too.

Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:24:00 - [1186]
 

Originally by: Certero

Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Very Happy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!


In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.

Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:30:00 - [1187]
 

I hope moderators will clean this thread from posts which contain rasism and nationalism. It's easy enough - you just need to read reports and/or messages from PL members.

Ded MATAP
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:34:00 - [1188]
 

Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Certero

Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Very Happy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!


In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.


Yes, the best monkey can do to prove his innocence, and confirm great PvP skill, is repeat some of his killing sprees on public.

Bendit
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:34:00 - [1189]
 

Originally by: Raivi
Damage control overload


All what you type seems well and swell. But it doesnt change the fact that monkey is/was using a cheat/hack/exploit whatever.

That he has been using it for a looong time is known to many people. Asking for a video that shows him doing it is like asking someone to film next time they get robbed, and the robber knowing about it.

You can track killmails all way back in early 2009 and find comments about his exploits, but the victims usually trolled to silence by, yes you guessed it PL pilots.

I have witnessed his exploits first hand, killed my ratter, so yes I know what he can do. I watched him move through systems without showing up in local ( cloaked scout on gates ), this was some time after he killed my ratter.

But as we know from CCP, if it doesnt show up in their server side logs, you have no proof. So petitions just get closed.

Remove this exploit and monkey`s effectiveness in killing ratters or macroers will plummet.

4-10 minutes between each kill multiple times in a row, doing a log on/log off trick??
Give me a break, anyone who has been killing bots know`s it usually takes longer time for the bots to go active again if you appear in their local. Especially if you are a known person in thoose ares and known for killing them.

But please, go ahead do some more damage control, it only makes yuo look ******ed or just plain ignorant. And it`s quite fun to see the desperation setting in.

The once so famous leet pvp organisation, reduced to a gang of low life exploit/hackers, justifing it by: "oh, oh, oh, but they are macro users, we are the saviours, right?, right?, guys?"

Well, I`m not a macro users and it pleases me to see that the truth is finally up in the open.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:38:00 - [1190]
 

Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi
Damage control overload

Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.



U mad?

species2143
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:39:00 - [1191]
 

Edited by: species2143 on 23/04/2010 06:54:01
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592

obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.

tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.


@ dumpertt:

You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.

Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.

In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing.

What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some insight from a different perspective to this thread by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Compared to the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts that we have seen so far this is in fact quite a step forward. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc. Personally the only idea that there are some tricks I still haven't learnt in PVP gets me exited and I'm pretty damn sure I'm not the only one. YARRRR!!

@ Raivi:

Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:

1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.

2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.

3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.

4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.

5. ???

6. Profit!

Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:42:00 - [1192]
 

Originally by: rororor
just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.

You guys are stitch! The Wizard of 0.0 goes into a WH sans probe launcher, like a total noob? Uh-huh. And, naturally, none of his Pandemic Legion chums is willing to guide their hero out, right? That's the official cover-up story for why he suddenly can't do his magic kills any more, no? Who in your corp does the PR? Hi-larious!

Oh, and sync your story a bit amongst yourselves, for that already scaringly thin suspension of disbelief, cuz I just had another of you detractors tell me Monkeyboy already got out this morning. A little consistency goes a long way.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:50:00 - [1193]
 

Originally by: species2143

Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:

1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.

2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.

3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.

4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.

5. ???

6. Profit!

Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you?

A fair proposal, I'd say. I hope he takes you up on it.

Oh, and I hope you'll fraps the whole event for posterity.

Clb
The Intersect
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:53:00 - [1194]
 

Originally by: species2143
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot.


Bot would have a cloak.

Soroksorok
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:56:00 - [1195]
 

Originally by: species2143
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592

obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.

tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.


@ dumpertt:

You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.

Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.



Sorry, mate, but it seems you're the one who should stop and think for a moment. Take a closer look at the killmail. The glorious russian bot killed a curse, right?

Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 06:56:00 - [1196]
 

I love this thread.

So many hurt faces help my work runs faster YARRRR!!

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:01:00 - [1197]
 

Well, my take, depending on how well CCP log their nodes :

Login traps - timestamp on login/logout of player(s)
Dictors (jumping) - stargate records
Dictors (safe spotted/from POS) - object records
Mobile bubble - anchored object records

If they have those, it would narrow down a lot as to what sort of mechanics were in use.
Make no mistake however, the exploit exist and has been demonstrated a few pages back.

If the rats are preparing to abandon ship (just in case of a ban), it might be interesting to have a look at their account's wallet and assets to see what sort of movement is taking place Wink

Jane Vherokior
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:02:00 - [1198]
 

Sounds to me like Pandemic pilots are just as complicit as members of another certain alliance were in another recent exploit...

Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.

species2143
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:04:00 - [1199]
 

Edited by: species2143 on 23/04/2010 07:07:37
Originally by: Soroksorok

Sorry, mate, but it seems you're the one who should stop and think for a moment. Take a closer look at the killmail. The glorious russian bot killed a curse, right?


Dunno since I wasn't there, where you? Has the pilot in question spoken up?

Those would be facts... but until then this remains purely speculation. See what I mean? Wink

Ninja edit to reply to a post:

Originally by: Jane Vherokior

Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.


Now we're finally moving down the rabbit hole and starting to see a larger problem (although I can't aggree completely with your statement).

dronesupport
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:07:00 - [1200]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank

I like how you imply macro ratting isn't cheating.

The amount of ratting cloak ravens/golems I encounter down in Curse/Stain is incredible. Most of these appear to be Russian characters. I'm not implying anything here, just working off what I have seen in game.

Considering these macros tend to be performing the same actions, someone dedicated to killing them is going to eventually figure out consistent techniques for doing so.


Y-4 and nearest systems - Burn Eden's and BE pets ravens
37S and nearest - Bricks
42-, T-8 - just characters from NPC corps, noone know who they are

Off-topic.Applebabe


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