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Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:00:00 - [1141]
 

All Monkeysphere victims who crying exploit are chernobyl victim or macro ratter. Shame on you for use macro.

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:01:00 - [1142]
 

Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 04:02:10
Originally by: Raivi
logon trap


so that's how it works. pretty sure monkey did exactly that thing.

can we ask to fix the exploit now?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:01:00 - [1143]
 

Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Ranka Mei
People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit

Damage con troll:
Originally by: karttoon
Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely


Sigh. So, he might have been in a wormhole and still have talked in Jita local? Where does this craziness end? On the upside, it should be considerably easier for CCP to prove he was talking in Jita local whilst being trapped inside a wormhole (proving he tampared with the connection between client and server). If he indeed did so. This morning, though, people reported him talking in Jita local about Russian macro-miners.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:08:00 - [1144]
 

Originally by: Dianeces

Yeah, he got out today. Again, don't bother with facts when there are pitchforks to brandish.


Actually he was still there last I talked to him.

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Ranka Mei
People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit

Damage con troll:
Originally by: karttoon
Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely


Sigh. So, he might have been in a wormhole and still have talked in Jita local? Where does this craziness end? On the upside, it should be considerably easier for CCP to prove he was talking in Jita local whilst being trapped inside a wormhole (proving he tampared with the connection between client and server). If he indeed did so. This morning, though, people reported him talking in Jita local about Russian macro-miners.


Take a look at what character was talking in Jita and what character flys his Mach. And reconsider your policy of believing everything you read on the internet. ;)

Blood Mace
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:08:00 - [1145]
 

Raivi
Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard.

Zeke Mobius
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:11:00 - [1146]
 

Over 1100 replies and CCP hasn't said anything yet? Is it possible they have no fix for this? How long have they known about it? Perhaps this has been around since the days of CCP employees spawning t2 bpo's for alliances and we are just now hearing about it?

Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Clb
The Intersect
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:12:00 - [1147]
 

Open this thread in Eve-Search. Go to page 14. Read post number 408.

Not a logoff trap.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:15:00 - [1148]
 

Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 04:19:07
Originally by: Blood Mace
Raivi
Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard.


This is the tactic used to catch macros and players that log off when a hostile enters local. Of course he also gets kills against inattentive players and macros that warp to safespots (which use a different tactic to catch). It takes about 3-4 minutes to set up in the worst case scenario (when probing is required to find the belt the target was in).

Originally by: Clb
Open this thread in Eve-Search. Go to page 14. Read post number 408.

Not a logoff trap.


One main reason that GM correspondence is not allowed in the forums is because it is so easy to fake or misinterpret. I'm very aware that this video won't prove anything to CCP because for good reason they don't accept player videos as evidence. I simply decided to accept the challenge to reproduce the circumstances of the claim the OP made, since I already knew a few legitimate methods by which to avoid the emergency warp.

Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp
Stain Empire
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:15:00 - [1149]
 

Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 23/04/2010 05:09:46
Originally by: Raivi

I'm working within the confines of the message posted by the OP, trusting that he's telling the truth. The concept that he'd been watching the system constantly for hours is not part of his story, although this would still be possible in that case, just harder. The specific trick I'm using in the video does not use a bubble (it's a separate game mechanic that I don't want to spread publicly at this time), but in cases of catching macros or players who log off when they see a hostile in local, dropping a normal interdictor bubble and then logging all your characters off in it works and will not show any bubble to the target if they stay logged off more than 2 minutes (not a stretch by any means).

My video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY553NVwgVA

The quality is poor while it finished processing but it's a 1600x900 video so once it's all done it will be quite sharp.
There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.

I normally wouldn't take the risk that inserting a little reason into this thread might stop the flow of hilarious tears and speculation, but I think this troll has dug in enough that most people wouldn't accept any evidence so I'm not endangering the idiot supply.


I'm working within the confines of dozens of testimonies by people from different alliances, not just one post by the OP here. They claim that nobody entered their local channel beforehand, log off traps is the very first thing that came to mind. Nobody believed them at the Russians forums at first, including myself. They said a 1600mm plated arazu (got the fit from his lossmails) appeared next to them within 3 seconds of entering local, while they were in a belt 60 aus away from the gate.

Thanks for posting your video though, it's still pretty interesting.

Although an easy explanation comes to my mind right away:

1) dominix anchors a mobile
2) log off pilgrim in mobile
3) deanchor mobile with Dominix
4) log on pilgrim
5) ...
5) profit! There are no exploits!

(or do something similar with a dictor bubble)

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:18:00 - [1150]
 

Originally by: Raivi

Actually he was still there last I talked to him.


Okay.

Quote:

Take a look at what character was talking in Jita and what character flys his Mach. And reconsider your policy of believing everything you read on the internet. ;)


I wasn't there myself. So, outside of what was reported, I wouldn't know which char of his did the talking. I take it you're suggesting one of his alts was, though? At least one mystery solved then. :)

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:23:00 - [1151]
 

Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Blood Mace
Raivi
Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard.


This is the tactic used to catch macros and players that log off when a hostile enters local. Of course he also gets kills against inattentive players and macros that warp to safespots (which use a different tactic to catch). It takes about 3-4 minutes to set up in the worst case scenario (when probing is required to find the belt the target was in).


so... are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes using this supertechnique?

terms:

i'm at random belt, ratting
u are at the belt next system
u set up your perfect logon trap to catch me - like u appear from nothere.

i will be waiting you 18-00 eve time at sisi if you are ready. if not... well, it's just fine.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:28:00 - [1152]
 

Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 04:46:15
Originally by: Raivi
There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.

But it doesn't explain the fact that The Monkeysphere have very, very many successful kills-in-a-row of hunter's faction BSs and marauders in 0.0. Macrobot's don't use Golems to hunt drones, so it's hardly possible to guess in what belt and when such player-piloted golem will warp next. Also if pilot of such Golem know that enemy is within constellation (by secure channels, for example), he will not go to farm to belts.

I have many kills myself, many of them done in 0.0, many solo. And I can tell that killing ratting marauder in 0.0 is relatively rare event for each particular player, even if he is good pvper. But monkey have them in a row.

Look, for example, at this killmail (it's kill - one of three CNRs, died in the same grid - you think none of them catched by the eye the change in local?). It have comment from 2010-03-31 (long before this drama started):
"exploiter
2010-03-31 - I see that monkey want public drama about his cheating with local visibility
Xirxo
2010-04-01 - LOL Monkeysphere they know you've been usin dem hax bro"

I understand that it may have been added not long ago from trolling purposes, but how do you explain the fact that since this drama started The Monkeysphere haven't any more kills? Why doesn't he kill anymore with his "method" if he is innocent?

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:29:00 - [1153]
 

Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Raivi

I'm working within the confines of the message posted by the OP, trusting that he's telling the truth. The concept that he'd been watching the system constantly for hours is not part of his story, although this would still be possible in that case, just harder. The specific trick I'm using in the video does not use a bubble (it's a separate game mechanic that I don't want to spread publicly at this time), but in cases of catching macros or players who log off when they see a hostile in local, dropping a normal interdictor bubble and then logging all your characters off in it works and will not show any bubble to the target if they stay logged off more than 2 minutes (not a stretch by any means).

My video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY553NVwgVA

The quality is poor while it finished processing but it's a 1600x900 video so once it's all done it will be quite sharp.
There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.

I normally wouldn't take the risk that inserting a little reason into this thread might stop the flow of hilarious tears and speculation, but I think this troll has dug in enough that most people wouldn't accept any evidence so I'm not endangering the idiot supply.


I'm working on the confines of dozens of testimonies by people from different alliances, not just one post by the OP here. They claim that nobody entered their local channel beforehand, log off traps is the very first thing that came to mind. Nobody believed them at the Russians forums at first, including myself. They said a 1600mm plated arazu (got the fit from his lossmails) appeared next to them within 3 seconds of entering local, while they were in a belt 60 aus away from the gate.

Thanks for posting your video though, it's still pretty interesting.


Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.

I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:

1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.

2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)

Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.

Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:30:00 - [1154]
 

Originally by: Raivi

Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.

If its true, I'd be happy monkey ~

Blood Mace
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:37:00 - [1155]
 

This thread is not about macrosers and bots. We are talking about space magic, aka exploit using.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:41:00 - [1156]
 

Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 04:48:27
Originally by: Raivi
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit

It's hardly so, because, honestly, how many times you saw a situation when someone accused in using an exploit and then literally in days a new exploit that allows literally the same is found? Such a coincidence.

You're trying to paint this situation in such way that russians found the exploit that allows the same that The Monkeysphere do - that it's just coincidence. But on top of such "coincidence" lays "coincidence" of PL's killboard comments about "local exploit" in Monkey's killmails, "coincidence" in his victim's testimonies about him not appearing in local, and so on, and so on.

Also don't follow the path of your alliance trolls: don't forget that this whole drama started not because of some "russian macrofarmers" - they don't post on eve-o forums, after all. It started from testimony of The Monkeysphere's victim, who lost marauder to him in X-Type fitting - clearly, he is not a macrobot.

Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp
Stain Empire
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:41:00 - [1157]
 

Originally by: Raivi

Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.

I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:

1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.

2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)

Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.


You are missing the entire point of this thread then. This thread is not about macrobotters. Nobody cares about them, their owners do not post on the forums. It's extremely xenophobic of you to accuse all of the Russians posting here of using macros. I'm Russian for example, I don't run bots, neither do them. People who posted about their losses were ratting in very expensive marauders, not running bots.

Judging from your video I'm not even sure what's faster, an e-warp from a ceptor or the demonstration that you showed, which I provided a possible explanation for without any "special" game mechanics.

I hope that no local bug will be fixed, because it does exist. As far as Monkeysphere, who cares really, we'll see how it turns out. If he was exploiting, and CCP cannot track those things, then he will be unpunished in any case.

Lee Kin
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:50:00 - [1158]
 

Cut the sh*t, every time more proof is posted a little ground is given. I have seen him do the very things that were reproduced on the test server.
I have , as well as many others saw him pass by without being in local chat. This is like the t20 incident in alot of ways. When people finally nail your hide to a post with a mountain of evidence you will finally admit it. But this is way to much work for everyone every time to extract a little truth.Just come clean and move on.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:53:00 - [1159]
 

Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 04:56:55
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte

Although an easy explanation comes to my mind right away:

1) dominix anchors a mobile
2) log off pilgrim in mobile
3) deanchor mobile with Dominix
4) log on pilgrim
5) ...
5) profit! There are no exploits!

(or do something similar with a dictor bubble)


That would work (dictor bubble would be much easier) although it's not the specific trick I used in the video. Could have used a third character with a dictor to achieve the same results but the technique I used in the video has the advantage of being doable with only one character.

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:57:00 - [1160]
 

Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes?

i've never been killed by monkey, btw.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:59:00 - [1161]
 

Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Raivi

Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.

I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:

1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.

2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)

Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.


You are missing the entire point of this thread then. This thread is not about macrobotters. Nobody cares about them, their owners do not post on the forums. It's extremely xenophobic of you to accuse all of the Russians posting here of using macros. I'm Russian for example, I don't run bots, neither do them. People who posted about their losses were ratting in very expensive marauders, not running bots.

Judging from your video I'm not even sure what's faster, an e-warp from a ceptor or the demonstration that you showed, which I provided a possible explanation for without any "special" game mechanics.

I hope that no local bug will be fixed, because it does exist. As far as Monkeysphere, who cares really, we'll see how it turns out. If he was exploiting, and CCP cannot track those things, then he will be unpunished in any case.


I had a whole post written here but it got accidentally deleted when I edited the post to answer another point as well. Suffice to say I did not intend to be xenophobic, but my assertion that this is a witchhunt that will never end even if proof is given stands. If Monkey keeps killing after the exploit is fixed all that will change is the victims will start searching for a new exploit to pin on him.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:03:00 - [1162]
 

Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:21:47
Originally by: Raivi
In the case of my demonstration, a macro that logs off and a player that log off when neutrals enter local are effectively equivalent targets. Macros are simply the extreme case in that they can log off faster than any real player and are therefore harder to catch via normal means.

Except that player will not login after 3-5 minutes being in marauder that costs 3bil. He will scout with an alt or ask corpmates in TeamSpeak to post message in secure channel. They even can use this marauder as bait - but monkeysphere have very low count of losses, so somehow against him baits were used miracolously very rarely!

Originally by: Raivi
My comment about affected Russians was not meant to insinuate that all Russians are macroratters, but I stand by my point that the goal of this thread has not been to explore game mechanics for their own sake but to find at all costs an illegal explanation for Monkeysphere's ability. I'm happy that an actual exploit has been found along the way, but that doesn't change the origin of this whole thing (and yes I've read the translated Russian thread that spawned this one). People being killed by Monkey will not accept any explanation other than an exploit

Yes, the whole point of this thread and thread on russian forums was to find explanation to The Monkey's actions. But before "exploit solution" many other solutions were discussed and tested - and none of them fitted. And when "exploit solution" after that was researched - surprise! - exploit was found. What a coincidence!

Originally by: Raivi
so if he continues to successfully hunt after this bug is fixed all it will do is start the witch hunt over again.

But currently we see quite the opposite situation: The Monkeysphere STOPPED killing anything after this exploit has been found. So, where is his marauder and golem kills now, if they are not connected with this exploit?

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:04:00 - [1163]
 

Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 05:06:20
Originally by: dumpertt
Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes?

i've never been killed by monkey, btw.


I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it.

Originally by: Jeremey

But currently we see quite the opposite situation: The Monkeysphere STOPPED killing anything after this exploit has been found. So, where is his marauder and golem kills now, if they are not connected with this exploit?


That's already been explained multiple times in this thread and can also be deduced with a locator agent. It's not provable beyond a shadow of a doubt, so you're just going to have to keep ratting in your most expensive ship, confident that you're safe from him forever. Wink

Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp
Stain Empire
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:06:00 - [1164]
 

Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 23/04/2010 05:12:24
Originally by: Raivi

I had a whole post written here but it got accidentally deleted when I edited the post to answer another point as well. Suffice to say I did not intend to be xenophobic, but my assertion that this is a witchhunt that will never end even if proof is given stands. If Monkey keeps killing after the exploit is fixed all that will change is the victims will start searching for a new exploit to pin on him.


There are already more exploits attributed to him, however, afaik none of them have been replicated, so I tend to be skeptical about them. A lot of them can be easily explained with no local exploit. The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either. I'm not saying that every programmer is an exploiter, but that occupation provides some technical knowledge required for it.

For those who missed it before, another link to the videos that demonstrate Monkeysphere's exploit in action:

Caught in a belt
Entering local unseen and reappearing



Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:09:00 - [1165]
 

Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either.

It's just another coincidence. Like comments in killmails and golems-in-a-row.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:09:00 - [1166]
 

Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 05:10:43
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte

The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either. I'm not saying that every programmer is an exploiter, but that occupation provides some technical knowledge required for it.


If I was a less reasonable man I'd accuse you of being xenophobic with that Estonia remark. But instead I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and point out that it's easy to misconstrue meanings so we should all be slow to judge another as xenophobic.

Originally by: Jeremey
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either.

It's just another coincidence. Like comments in killmails and golems-in-a-row.


It's easy to see coincidences when they match what you really really want to believe. And that's the last I'll bother bashing against that brick wall.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:16:00 - [1167]
 

Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:19:05
Originally by: Raivi
If I was a less reasonable man I'd accuse you of being xenophobic with that Estonia remark.

By "programmer from Estonia" he just means that it's widely known fact that The Monkey is programmer. That he is not abstract/maybe "a programmer", but that it is well known that he lives in particular country and have programming skills.

Originally by: Raivi
It's easy to see coincidences when they match what you really really want to believe.

I personally wanted to believe that The Monkey uses some new pvp trick and I wanted to learn it from him. And many others who researched this matter thought the same.

So these accusations of exploiting is not just someone's random fantasies - quite opposite, they are neccessary explanations of The Monkey's actions.

Don't forget that your position can be named even more biased - that you're just trying to justify The Monkeysphere because he is your allymate and this situation in small way casts a shadow on Pandemic Legion as a whole.

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:20:00 - [1168]
 

Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: dumpertt
Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes?

i've never been killed by monkey, btw.


I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it.


i have only 1 character who flys bs, unfortunately it's high-sec agentrunner (completely neutral to all zero-sec camps) and it is hard to get a bs at 0.0 for him. is the has ok? let's do it on tq.

i still don't get what is wrong with the fact i've seen your super-tactics - all i have to do is to log off then u 1st enter the local, wait until you log off, logon once again and wait you appering like a cheshire cat, right?

4 minutes - and if you can do it w/o even knowing a belt - i will do my best to persuade those monkey victims that monkeys are awesome. just think about it.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:27:00 - [1169]
 

I have heard rumor that Monkeysphere is in fact the developer behind the macro ratter program all these cheater is use and he has put a secret command into this program that will hide him in local, warp to certain planet for him to kill, transfer isk to his character and have cyber with him even.

Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
Posted - 2010.04.23 05:30:00 - [1170]
 

Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
I have heard rumor that Monkeysphere is in fact the developer behind the macro ratter program all these cheater is use and he has put a secret command into this program that will hide him in local, warp to certain planet for him to kill, transfer isk to his character and have cyber with him even.


Rly? So maybe you heared about "not-in-local" exploit also? If so, relax, it's just rumors. Very Happy


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