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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.04.12 16:15:00 - [1]
 

These are logs taken from Jade Constantines transmission from the Jericho Fraction pilot forums which have been leaked to K.com, that website which exposes Capsuleers private galnet corporate transmissions. I am sure that Jade can vouch for and backup these logs.

[ 2010.04.12 02:22:20 ] Darth Sith > was getting boring ...
[ 2010.04.12 02:22:26 ] Darth Sith > slave time
[ 2010.04.12 02:22:40 ] Jade Constantine > whats slave time ?

[ 2010.04.12 02:35:49 ] Darth Sith > /emote stuffs the slaves in the back of the cargo hold to make room for more lootz Tongue
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:03 ] warchyld1 > put the slaves in yer boot
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:12 ] REAPER1712 > just jet them
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:18 ] warchyld1 > die
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:24 ] warchyld1 > reaper you ***got
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:28 ] REAPER1712 > make them feal the cold
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:46 ] warchyld1 > your slavist you are petitioned
[ 2010.04.12 02:37:17 ] REAPER1712 > im gona get my dogs afer you
[ 2010.04.12 02:37:31 ] warchyld1 > i ****ed your dogs, thy love me
[ 2010.04.12 02:38:12 ] REAPER1712 > i wandered what that small fleshy thing was they where chewing on
[ 2010.04.12 02:38:56 ] warchyld1 > nah that was yours old man, rohipnol for evah
[ 2010.04.12 02:39:24 ] REAPER1712 > dam i was wandering where i left that
[ 2010.04.12 02:40:06 ] warchyld1 > still could be worse
[ 2010.04.12 02:40:19 ] REAPER1712 > o well the minmitar will be slaves once again
[ 2010.04.12 02:52:43 ] REAPER1712 > death to the minmatar republic

Darth Sith is the founder and sole diplomatic contact for his corporation in Daisho Syndicate. The other two members Warchyld1 and REAPER1712 are members of another corporation in Daisho, REAPER1712 being a long standing member, with 6 months of service.

Will be interesting to see how Ushra'Khan reacts to this.

Hellaciouss
Genco
Posted - 2010.04.12 16:33:00 - [2]
 

Interesting find, Suitonia. Wouldn't be the first time SF or U'K were shown to be complete hypocrites. We shall see their eloquent responses soon, I am sure.

Xennith
Imperial Logistics and Supply
Posted - 2010.04.12 16:44:00 - [3]
 

As with most of the recent omg-uk-allies-support-slavery threads, I'm approaching this with a slight air of suspicion. However, U'K (like everyone else) do not conduct official diplomacy on public forums.

Our enemies can now commence gum flapping while our diplomats get to the facts.

Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.12 16:50:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Hellaciouss
Interesting find, Suitonia. Wouldn't be the first time SF or U'K were shown to be complete hypocrites. We shall see their eloquent responses soon, I am sure.


Thats a stretch, even for you ring tonguing knuckle draggers. Is your propaganda so devoid of anything useful you'd resort to something this thin? The log even shows Jade asking what they meant by that remark!

Still, it's better the dregs float to the top sooner rather than later. Looks like CVA and Daisho would make fine bedfellows.




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.12 16:55:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/04/2010 17:59:33

Originally by: Hellaciouss
Wouldn't be the first time SF or U'K were shown to be complete hypocrites. We shall see their eloquent responses soon, I am sure.


I think you will be eating your words.

OOC content removed.Applebabe

Following unprovoked attacks on SF shipping and the revelation that Daisho Syndicate leadership has embraced slavery (according to their diplomatic channel and local boasts) we have set them -10 KOS and consider them regressive imperialists worthy of nothing more than our ammunition.

Diasho appear to have have come out the closet as imperialist slavers demanding standings enclosurist principles in Providence and they certainly aren't freespacers or enlightened settlers of the frontier.

Since we have local logs of the incident I will reveal that the flashpoint occured at

01:00 local time today.

[ 2010.04.12 00:59:53 ] Xlost > claire xxx can you ask him to leave B-W atm please
[ 2010.04.12 01:00:02 ] Xlost > he is back talking in local
[ 2010.04.12 01:00:21 ] Jade Constantine > whats the problem with him talking in local ?
[ 2010.04.12 01:00:33 ] Xlost > i just asked him to leave until ch leaves
[ 2010.04.12 01:00:47 ] Xlost > and he is refusing
[ 2010.04.12 01:01:16 ] Jade Constantine > I think we had a diplomatic settlement with your lead diplo agreeing mutual transit rights and usage of that system
[ 2010.04.12 01:01:26 ] Xlost > <--- diplo
[ 2010.04.12 01:01:56 ] Xlost > keep your bomber pilot out also thats about to try to jump in
[ 2010.04.12 01:03:27 ] Jade Constantine > to be honest I'm not going to tell people to move about in breach of our diplomatic agreement previously arranged thats a recipe for fiasco
[ 2010.04.12 01:03:50 ] Xlost > i will remove him for the moment and we will talk reinburshments afterwards
[ 2010.04.12 01:04:03 ] Jade Constantine > kk for now we'll set you red
[ 2010.04.12 01:04:10 ] Jade Constantine > and I guess its fighting
[ 2010.04.12 01:04:59 ] Xlost > i asked nicely
[ 2010.04.12 01:06:07 ] Jade Constantine > kk well I'm setting Diasho -10 for blue on blue fighting so we'll see you in space

***

In addition to the mention of "slave time" in following discussions with the Daisho "diplomatic team" we had some more boasts from the rank and file in KBP local:

***


[ 2010.04.12 02:35:49 ] Darth Sith > /emote stuffs the slaves in the back of the cargo hold to make room for more lootz Tongue
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:03 ] warchyld1 > put the slaves in yer boot
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:12 ] REAPER1712 > just jet them
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:18 ] warchyld1 > die

[ 2010.04.12 02:36:24 ] warchyld1 > profanity expunged
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:28 ] REAPER1712 > make them feal the cold
[ 2010.04.12 02:36:46 ] warchyld1 > your slavist you are petitioned
[ 2010.04.12 02:37:17 ] REAPER1712 > im gona get my dogs afer you
[ 2010.04.12 02:37:31 ] warchyld1 > i profanity expunged your dogs, thy love me
[ 2010.04.12 02:38:12 ] REAPER1712 > i wandered what that small fleshy thing was they where chewing on
[ 2010.04.12 02:38:56 ] warchyld1 > nah that was yours old man, rohipnol for evah
[ 2010.04.12 02:39:24 ] REAPER1712 > dam i was wandering where i left that
[ 2010.04.12 02:40:06 ] warchyld1 > still could be worse
[ 2010.04.12 02:40:19 ] REAPER1712 > o well the minmitar will be slaves once again
[ 2010.04.12 02:52:43 ] REAPER1712 > death to the minmatar republic


***

I can state on behalf of the Free Captains of the Star Fraction we have no intention of bowing to the ridiculous claims of Daisho Syndicate and we will meet their boasts and bravado in space with weapons of war and freespace radicalism. It is an insult to those who have spent their lives and blood in Providence clearing away the filth of slavery and regressive imperialism only to see dogs like these reading their diplomatic policies directly from the CVA play book.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:06:00 - [6]
 

Funnily enough, this has crossed my desk.

As always, forum propoganda doesn't say the half of the story and Diplomacy is conducted in private as we all know. If Daisho are actually now supporting slavery then it will be an interesting time indeed. But given how much time they've put into that pocket already I'm sure most people can see a bit of excrement stirring when they see it. Hell, I've got logs of many members of the former Providence block repeatedly telling me that they're not slavers and that they like the minmatar republic and I don't believe a word of that either :)

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:31:00 - [7]
 

The interesting part is that SF, who claims to have a much less strict idea of nrds where they happily ally themselves with every nbsi entitity they see, apparently set others red when they attack an sf member in their own space after being asked to leave. Which even holders didnt do.

Xennith
Imperial Logistics and Supply
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:34:00 - [8]
 

You consider it strange that an alliance would set someone red for shooting at one of their pilots?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:36:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/04/2010 18:36:41

Originally by: Furb Killer
The interesting part is that SF, who claims to have a much less strict idea of nrds where they happily ally themselves with every nbsi entitity they see, apparently set others red when they attack an sf member in their own space after being asked to leave. Which even holders didnt do.


No surprise to see you standing with the enclosurists. What you need to understand is that SF will not give up our rights to travel as we choose and we do not recognize the exclusive territorial claims of regressive imperialist tyrants of any creed or colour. This aside from the fact that free transit rights had been verified and agreed in advance and the diplomatic understanding was simply dismissed as meaningless the moment a closed-space bravo decided that paranoia was the better course than trust and opened fire.

But as I say, it is entirely predictable that you would take the imperialist side on this issue. It is very CVA enclosurist behaviour at the end of the day.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:37:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 12/04/2010 18:39:00
You mean after that pilot was asked to leave the space of another alliance who holded sov there? A perfectly reasonable request which was ignored. After that the diplo of that pilot was contacted, who also refused. And even after that they immediatly offered a reimbursement solution. Yeah then i think it is strange you set someone -10 for that. Especially with SF claiming to be nrds and not caring what others do exactly.


Besides that it is funny that you make up words (enclosurist), also funny is that the same CVA would respect the wishes of another entitity.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:54:00 - [11]
 

interesting, I also saw the commentary.

Slavers now eh? odd.

Well I supose that brings the assault of my corp's POS from ignominious treachery to noble sacrifice.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:57:00 - [12]
 

They violated a free passage agreement by making that request at all. They then fired on and destroyed one of our ships.

Yes, this is sufficient for us to set them red pending diplomacy.

Their subsequent 'diplomacy' then took the form of ranting and raving in local combined with an attack on one of our starbases.

I think it is safe to say that the war will continue. Moreover, I believe this contretemps is evidence we will not compromise on our principles simply to curry favour with a tinpot enclosurist alliance that thinks it can dictate how the New Providence will turn out.

The Cosmopolite

claire xxx
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.04.12 19:02:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 12/04/2010 18:39:00
You mean after that pilot was asked to leave the space of another alliance who holded sov there? A perfectly reasonable request which was ignored. After that the diplo of that pilot was contacted, who also refused. And even after that they immediatly offered a reimbursement solution. Yeah then i think it is strange you set someone -10 for that. Especially with SF claiming to be nrds and not caring what others do exactly.


Besides that it is funny that you make up words (enclosurist), also funny is that the same CVA would respect the wishes of another entitity.


Furb Killer and All;

I think it's important to note two things here.

1. I am the pilot in question that was attacked for refusing to leave the BW star system.
2. More importantly, we already had a diplomatic agreement with Daisho Syndicate in place giving Star Fraction pilots the right to rat and dock in that system whenever we chose.

Not only was I ordered out of the system, which I politely declined... in accordance with our agreement, but I was fired upon by Daisho Syndicate pilots in blue on blue action. They also also accused me of providing intel on their pilots to another group saying that they had logs of my communications. When asked to provide copies of these logs they mysteriously were unavailable. I believe the words were (paraphrasing) '... they're lost ... ' or roughly the equivalent of that.

At no time did I violate the Star Fraction RoE vis-a-vis shooting blues or giving intel on blues.
At no time did I violate the diplomatic agreement with Daisho Syndicate.

XLost and other members of Daisho Syndicate have proven that they will not honor diplomatic agreements, and have also proven that they are treacherous, backstabbing liars.

Claire XXX


D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
Posted - 2010.04.12 19:13:00 - [14]
 

Daisho,
You have really stirred up a hornet's nest this time.. Prepare to lose your industrial index!!

Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.04.12 20:34:00 - [15]
 

I blame it on the Mindflood :)

Ok, straight up, Daisho is an alliance and to be bluntly honest we did not understand the ramifications of our comments in local. Our comments were directed in jest at SF and were not intended for U-K

I am officially apologizing to the members of U-K specifically for these comments and I will endeavor to educate our ranks on the proper etiquette.

This is a situation that started when a single SF pilot, in Daisho sovereign space, took it upon himself to do as he pleased in a system we had granted SF access to for nothing more then market access and safe haven. When asked to leave by our senior FC, he refused and in accordance with the authority given to our FC, he decided to forcefully remove the offender.

Given that the system is Dai owned, any request to leave by the Dai FC should have been honored even if to leave and escalate through diplomatic channels.

Daisho makes no apologies to SF for our actions and we will continue to maintain them as hostile until further notice. But we do value the new and fruitfull relationship with UK and will endevour to work at improving the communications between these culturally diverse organizations.




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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.12 20:36:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Darth Sith

Daisho makes no apologies to SF for our actions and we will continue to maintain them as hostile until further notice.


Likewise. See you in space.

Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.12 20:43:00 - [17]
 

What is that brown thing on your nose Darth?

You don't tell a free spacer where to be or where not to be accompanied by accusations and threat of violence.


Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.04.12 20:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mazca Lopez
What is that brown thing on your nose Darth?

You don't tell a free spacer where to be or where not to be accompanied by accusations and threat of violence.




You can free space over and over again from your clone location back to our area.

And the brown on my nose, chocolate sauce from a mid afternoon snack. Got bumped by my goat while yelling to my first officer to find that 14" purple strap-on .. and well that is another story but needless to say I forgot to wipe up afterwards ..

OOC Comment removed. Navigator

Syyl'ara
Gallente
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.04.12 21:15:00 - [19]
 

At this point, its he-said she-said until someone produces some proof of the ROP agreement and all it included.

Mirxa's Slave
FCON Aerarium Militare
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.04.12 21:40:00 - [20]
 

Isn't this what new Providence was supposed to be about? The freedom to interact with the other residents however they wanted?

So Daisho have chose to exercise their freedom to tell Star Fraction to get lost. Ironically, in old Providence pilots had the freedom to rat wherever they wanted.

Both alliances can shoot each other all they want but they are stuck with each other as neighbours. After all, any attempt to remove each other permanently is against the terms of residence imposed by -A-.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.04.12 22:03:00 - [21]
 

UK are long-term friends with SF, so whilst we're not going to tell people what standings they should set one another, I hope the conflict stays at the non-territory level (ie, Daisho leave SF structures alone).

A bit of friendly warfare can be good for the soul, but this spat seems unnecessary and as both entities will be using KBP I hope they find a mature resolve. We'll be in KBP a lot more ourselves soon, once our JB connection is up and running (tick tock strategic index).




Gaia Aemilia
Amarr
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2010.04.12 22:12:00 - [22]
 

What's wrong with slavery?

Just like Jade Constantine has never chained someone to a wall, beaten them up, and make them work before. In Amarr it's called slavery, in Gallente it's called foreplay.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.04.12 23:07:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Gaia Aemilia
What's wrong with slavery?

Just like Jade Constantine has never chained someone to a wall, beaten them up, and make them work before. In Amarr it's called slavery, in Gallente it's called foreplay.


And in Gallente areas there's this tiny thing called Consent.....

D melanogaster
Minmatar
The Fruit Flys
Posted - 2010.04.12 23:16:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Gaia Aemilia
What's wrong with slavery?

Just like Jade Constantine has never chained someone to a wall, beaten them up, and make them work before. In Amarr it's called slavery, in Gallente it's called foreplay.


And in Gallente areas there's this tiny thing called Consent.....


I didn't think 8-year-old boys were legally allowed to grant consent..

Roderz
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.04.13 00:34:00 - [25]
 

Seems SF just lost a plexing carrier to two daisho Titans.

Them plexes make alot of isk tbqh.

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.13 00:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Roderz
Seems SF just lost a plexing carrier to two daisho Titans.

Them plexes make alot of isk tbqh.


Yea, was a good gank to be fair. Teach me for not paying attention. However, my silly loss aside, the conflict as a whole is going splendidly in my opinion. Had a good stream of kills throughout the day, and an interesting Battleship standoff in TU-.

Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2010.04.13 00:59:00 - [27]
 

...Given our own group's position i will have to confer with my superiors and see just how far this goes...Daisho tends to walk through our area's on occasion.

Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.04.13 05:33:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Roderz
Seems SF just lost a plexing carrier to two daisho Titans.

Them plexes make alot of isk tbqh.


Yea, was a good gank to be fair. Teach me for not paying attention. However, my silly loss aside, the conflict as a whole is going splendidly in my opinion. Had a good stream of kills throughout the day, and an interesting Battleship standoff in TU-.


Was a good fight but add to that a dread kill and a bunch of battleships for about 5 or so billion isk in losses in the first 24 hrs for SF. Based on KB's that are synched and verified that puts you at about 24% efficiency on day 1.

All that is required to stop all this nonsense is for SF to respect the sovereign territory of Daisho and we are willing to call an immediate truce. Our interests are to purge the remaining CVA from providence, not to squabble over infantile claims of a pilot's right to roam freely in our space uninvited.

We extended a branch of friendship to SF and instead they jumped right on the tree, heading straight for our nuts. This was not in the spirit of the agreement into which we entered.


Darth Sith




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.13 06:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Darth Sith

Was a good fight but add to that a dread kill and a bunch of battleships for about 5 or so billion isk in losses in the first 24 hrs for SF. Based on KB's that are synched and verified that puts you at about 24% efficiency on day 1.


Too to be fair most of our fiscal loss for the day occured to those two capital ships, both of which fell victim to double Titan drops into KBP. Daisho Syndicate certainly showed its intention to use supercapital weaponry with extremely light support fleets in quite a daring fashion for a resolutely un-cynojammed system.

But aside from the supercap augmented fights the honours were relatively even. The war will of course continue.

Quote:
All that is required to stop all this nonsense is for SF to respect the sovereign territory of Daisho and we are willing to call an immediate truce. Our interests are to purge the remaining CVA from providence, not to squabble over infantile claims of a pilot's right to roam freely in our space uninvited.


From our perspective there is no point fighting one territorially-enclosurist imperialist regime only to replace it with another before the fighting is even ended. Daisho Syndicate have broken a previously negotiated free access treaty with the Star Fraction and shown themselves quite willing to fire on blues in the process of one-sided "renegotiations" on the fly. Whilst we would prefer a good and productive relationship with neighbours we cannot overlook the breaking of diplomatic agreements and destruction of friendly ships coupled with the unfortunate continuation of CVA-style standings enclosurism.

The Star Fraction is philosophically-opposed to the notion of closed territory and such claims are as abhorrent to us as the continuance of slavery is to our matari brethen in the Ushra'khan and TLF.

At this point we have realized that Daisho Syndicate has a significant advantage over the Fraction in supercapital ownership while we are considerly better matched in conventional battleship capability. We have had some significant losses today it is true, but the Free Captains of the Star Fraction are nothing if not resolved and enduring and at this point it is fair to say we quite used to the demands of guerilla warfare in the KBP pocket following directly on from the Black Lustrum campaign we waged against your predeccessor alliance in the CVA holder Sev3rance.

In many ways it will be business as usual with the Fraction fighting an emplaced territorially-xenophobic power intent to denying transit rights to honest freespacers.

Very much the typical conflict we find have found ourselves in over the last five years of our existence.


claire xxx
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.04.13 06:25:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Darth Sith

All that is required to stop all this nonsense is for SF to respect the sovereign territory of Daisho and we are willing to call an immediate truce. Our interests are to purge the remaining CVA from providence, not to squabble over infantile claims of a pilot's right to roam freely in our space uninvited.

We extended a branch of friendship to SF and instead they jumped right on the tree, heading straight for our nuts. This was not in the spirit of the agreement into which we entered.


Darth Sith






Darth,

This really didn't start over "infantile claims of a pilot's right to roam freely in our space uninvited."

Daisho Syndicate and The Star Fraction had an agreement allowing us to fly freely through all of your space, and to dock, trade, and hunt in BW specifically. There were no stipulations on when we could or could not be there. Per the agreement I DID NOT need any invitation to be there and had been flying through the BW system working on my security status for the three or four days prior.

Xlost demanded I leave. I refused because we had an agreement allowing me to be there. Xlost opened fire on me resulting in a blue on blue kill. If you allow your FCs to attack blues then it shows that you cannot be trusted.

In addition to all of this Xlost (and others from Daisho Syndicate) have accused me specifically of giving away intel on Daisho. Something that never happened. I still stand here before you and everyone else on the Summit asking for the proof of that alleged act. I posit that the proof in question can never be produced because the allegation is an outright lie.

You say we acted in a way that was not in the spirit of our agreement? I say that you are wrong because we didn't open fire and kill an ally set blue.

Furthermore, might I suggest that you get your own house in order before pointing fingers at others.

Claire XXX



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