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Ivas Tiffy
Amarr
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:27:00 - [31]
 

Dear OP...

Everyone in EvE is out to get you and I do mean *everyone*.

That trusted corpmate you've known for years? He's out to get you.

That lost little new guy in his rookie ship? He's out to get you.

The trader you're about to make a tidy profit from? He's out to get you.

That GM you petitioned about losing your ship to a scammer? He will listen patiently to you, ignore your request, log on to his other account and get you.

As for me? I don't know you well enough yet but give me sufficient time and I'll be out to get you as well.


Welcome to EvE...

Bibbleibble
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:30:00 - [32]
 

Oh, and following on from what the person above me has to say;

You know that those people out to get are probably not encouraged by the fact that your word isn't worth the binary it's written in.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:36:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Your not paranoid if your right.
Oddly enough, this Laughing.

I think it's pretty safe to say that paranoia does not exist in Eve.


Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Swag Co.
Sandbox Bullies
Posted - 2010.04.12 18:50:00 - [34]
 

I AM NOT PARANOID...i know thier out to get me.

Laughing


Marko Riva
Posted - 2010.04.12 19:29:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Chai N'Dorr
So, if I read this correctly. You wanted another person to first buy a contract for 15M, then ship it to you for 3M, where upon delivery you'd give him the 15M 'collateral' back. But when you are asked to fork over the 15M first you refuse as he won't be contractual olbiged...

And you ask why folks are paranoid? When clearly you are paranoid as well.

Pray tell me how you are 'contractual obliged' when you ask someone to pay that cash with only your word he'll get it back. Hell you'd need to be someone I've flown with for a bit before I'd just pay 15M in the hopes I get 18M in return in completion.

(ignore this when I totally misread your post tho'.)


You clearly don't understand the concept of courier contracts or how they work, none of the people in this thread actually. I'm no fan of Siigari Pinata but OP is asking a legit question as you can't scam with courier contracts other than setting stupid non-high sec destinations.

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2010.04.12 21:42:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Kiri Serrensun on 12/04/2010 21:42:40
Originally by: meat vapour
hohoho, indeed...

i missed out on a cheap plex dropped in local over the weekend because i was sat there trying to work out the catch was.... Very Happy


I can beat you there. I once saw a Rattlesnake BPC for 7 million on contracts. Come on, that's got to be a scam, but I check it thoroughly. Not in an inaccessible 0.0 station. Not a mis-labelled Scorpion BP. It looks like this guy really did miss some zeroes on the contract. I move to a character in the right region, but someone beat me to it. I like to imagine the contractor checking his wallet the next day and emitting a Vader-style "NOOOOOOOO!".

Kharylien
Gallente
Masked Rider Project
Posted - 2010.04.12 21:50:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Marko Riva

You clearly don't understand the concept of courier contracts or how they work, none of the people in this thread actually. I'm no fan of Siigari Pinata but OP is asking a legit question as you can't scam with courier contracts other than setting stupid non-high sec destinations.


Read the OP more carefully. He wasn't setting up a standard courier contract. He wanted someone else to buy the module, with their own 15M isk, and bring it to him, whereupon he was tooootally going to pay 18M isk: return of the "collateral" paid to buy the item, plus 3M isk in reward.

This could be a scam in several different ways.

He was, therefore, expecting people to trust he would pay up; however, trust is a scarce commodity when you have acquired a reputation as a welcher.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.04.13 01:24:00 - [38]
 

Paranoid?

Who wants to know? Who sent you?


Confused

Chai N'Dorr
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Posted - 2010.04.13 15:56:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Chai N''Dorr on 13/04/2010 15:56:55
Originally by: Marko Riva
You clearly don't understand the concept of courier contracts or how they work, none of the people in this thread actually. I'm no fan of Siigari Pinata but OP is asking a legit question as you can't scam with courier contracts other than setting stupid non-high sec destinations.


I understand how Courier Contracts work, I've done them in the past. Don't belittle me. But if you read OP's post she's asking for a courier-styled contract. Then in the end goes on how someone would need to buy the contract/item she wanted and bring it to her, all on faith of word.

That is how I read OP's post, and as I stated I could read it wrong. That has nothing to do with understanding contracts, all with reading in a to me foreign language.

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.04.13 16:21:00 - [40]
 

Siigari, no-one wants to deal with you because you're a two-faced, incompetent liar, like that time you asked my corp to put itself on the line to mediate an end to a war with our blues, Extempore Extinguo, and then turned around and quite literally three hours later laid siege to one of their PoSes after I'd tried to negotiate with them, making us look like complete idiots for vouching for you and putting us at serious risk of getting decced ourselves. Fortunately for us they were understanding enough to see that we had vouched for you in good faith and you had abused our trust.

People having the good sense not to take anything you say without a heaping tablespoon of salt is not paranoia.

Kroma BaSyl
Amarr
Snickers Inc
Posted - 2010.04.13 17:35:00 - [41]
 

Paranoia is just good sense when everyone is out to get you. Razz

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.04.13 17:42:00 - [42]
 

During Aduro's brief stay in Total Comfort, Siigari tried to convince our alliance to help him fund an Erebus to DD people in FW.

Nobody ever considered this to be remotely close to a good idea.

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.04.13 17:49:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Boltorano
During Aduro's brief stay in Total Comfort, Siigari tried to convince our alliance to help him fund an Erebus to DD people in FW.

Nobody ever considered this to be remotely close to a good idea.


Please tell me you're joking.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.13 18:45:00 - [44]
 

I'm thinking it's because you have no e-honoure

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.04.13 19:25:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Right, so typically I have no problem running to grab something myself with an alt, only this time the item was in Amarr, and I have no alts near there.

So, I plop down a request in the "Ships" channel if anybody could run a fast courier-style from Amarr to Dodixie. Highsec to highsec. I say I need something moved and 15 mil collateral covered with a 3 mil reward. That seems pretty decent, I think.

So people in ships are asking what the module is and stuff. First of all, they ask what the module is. I say it's just 5m3, and can be done in almost any ship. They ask what the module is again. What does it matter, I wonder? All that matters to the contractor is that they're getting a 3 mil reward for moving something worth 15 mil.

So, I explain that I need something bought off contracts and then moved. Cash on delivery for the reward etc. I don't want to reveal it in public because it's the only one available. Somebody says "Ah, the scam revealed." What scam? I need something worth 15 mil bought off contracts and moved. They say "why don't you give us the 15 mil then we'll move it?" Sure. Because me forking you something where there was no contractual obligation for you to fulfill a contract to me is a great idea. In this case, cash on delivery is perfectly viable.

Anyway, it just seems like people are overly paranoid and afraid of EVERYBODY out to get them. What do you guys think? Did I offer a deal that was too good to be true, or is there just no way to get a bit of aide from a stranger anymore?


They're not paranoid. It's just that your reputation as a (huge) liar and a (rampant) cheat is very prolific.

Doctor Cal'torien
Gallente
The Vikings of the Black Sea
Posted - 2010.04.13 19:28:00 - [46]
 

paranoia is part of the job description

Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.04.13 22:21:00 - [47]
 

Don`t be so paranoid... Here, want some candy? I got lots more in my shuttle. Wink

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.04.13 22:32:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Don`t be so paranoid... Here, want some candy? I got lots more in my shuttle. Wink
This guy looks legit.

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.04.13 22:43:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Don`t be so paranoid... Here, want some candy? I got lots more in my shuttle. Wink
This guy looks legit.


He got that shuttle with painted over rear windows for cheap at a used shuttle lot, certainly!

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2010.04.14 04:47:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I'd certainly be sketchy if the item requested was significantly more valuable, but for a pithy 15 mil you'd think the job'd get done fast and by somebody who really needs the money.
I would've done it, but I can't go to Gallente space. *damn frenchies*

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.04.14 07:01:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Don`t be so paranoid... Here, want some candy? I got lots more in my shuttle. Wink
This guy looks legit.

haha

Melor Rend
Posted - 2010.04.14 08:06:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: J Hershey
I had a similar problem yesterday, my alt didn't have enough isk to setup a public contract on a rook so I was just advertising it with it's fitting and before you know it I was called a scammer and being told to go away by 10 people in local without any of them asking me to setup a contract with them or opening a trade window, it's a joke. Also, no one uses trade window anymore...

I think high sec people are just scared of their own shadows.


The simple fact of the matter is that direct trades are scams 99% of the time. There's just no reason to use such an idiotic way to trade stuff unless the seller has a good reason - like selling a renamed Raven as a CNR etc. Otherwise just send your alt a few mil ISK and create a contract like everyone else.

I think the main problem is that CCP don't give us any easy tools to identify scammers and liars. The only way to gauge the trustworthiness of a person in EVE is to painstakingly look through the forum (that doesn't even have a decent search function). And even that is no protection due to the abundance of alts.

On the one hand humanity has developed technology to move ships from solar system to solar system, engage a warp drive to cross vast systems in minutes and even replace their entire bodies (clones) but a god damn log of market activity or a log for every corp hangar..? OMG no that would be way to advanced.

The lack of these kind of features systematically destroy trust (or at least prevents it from ever existing in the first place). On the one hand this is what makes EVE EVE.. but on the other hand it would be nice to simply be able to team up with a few random people and go do some missions with the fear of being ****d. Wink


Also:

@OP: welcome to EVE...?

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.04.15 12:48:00 - [53]
 

I thought this thread got deleted. This issue made it into the news.

Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.04.15 13:35:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Gladys Pank
I thought this thread got deleted.


That is strange. I also thought this thread was deleted.
There must be some people very high up, Fnordthat do not want us to see this thread.Fnord
Using secret words Fnordthat control our minds and make us think the thread does not exist.Fnord


Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2010.04.16 03:08:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I'd certainly be sketchy if the item requested was significantly more valuable, but for a pithy 15 mil you'd think the job'd get done fast and by somebody who really needs the money.


So what you're saying is that you've stolen from all of the friends you have so now you're going after strangers for pocket change? =D

genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.04.16 03:33:00 - [56]
 

I started playing eve because of the GH-SC heist.
every new player in my corp I have read the article about that and the write ups on the ebank scam. in eve it's called due diligence not paranoia.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.04.16 08:26:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: genette devo
in eve it's called due diligence not paranoia

Empress Shai
Posted - 2010.04.16 17:04:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Zirilia
in a game where ingame scams are allowed, ofc ppl are paranoid 24/7/365.


rule is: if it`s easy isk then its a 100% guaranteed scam.


Agreed, but wouldn't it be 23/7/365?
Very Happy

Monky Do
Posted - 2010.04.16 17:48:00 - [59]
 

It's got to the point that even those that do all they can to be altruistic to the community are tarred and feathered before an angry mob because despite years of efforts and good behaviour, they remain unknown and are therefore unworthy of any trust.

Regardless of the OP's behaviour, trust that could have a place in Eve is lost.

Devotion and utter trust instead is given to a hallowed few for questionable reasons and you know what that will end with. Muhahah. YARRRR!!


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