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Caladain Barton
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.04.25 22:42:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: arjun
hmmmm til today i was unsure about the inclusion of CO2, WN and RA on the SC side.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-K495/kills
that shows clearly, that those entities are blue to IT (required in the conditions to be included in the SC) and they shoot NC (in this special case working together to protect SBU planted in NC territory). the not inclusion of said entities into the SC by the northern crusade page seems more and more questionable.
mind that i dont know if the side i am on would look better or even worse after the inclusion of said entities.
NC doesnt look good in the statistics. i think thats an accurate assesment of reality but to make the service even better i request to include CO2, WN and possibly RA into the SC.


It's shoddy programming. It's been brought up how they "calculate" kills (very stupid manner) and it's been shown that false killmails (made up ones worth billions of isk) make it into these "calculations". War Propaganda, nothing more.

Honestly, your biggest clue to it being bunk is that they don't show a list of kills and deaths. Who died, who killed, etc. Without a list to check, it's meaningless. Just very manipulatable "data" with no way to look at what it's "counting". Numbers pulled from thin air.

At least the RAWR killboard shows you in battlereport all friendlies on one side, and all reds on the other. It's the only killboard that does this 95% correct that i've found. Still not perfect, but better than magical unicorn numbers pulled from molle's bum.

Tornicks
Caldari
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.04.25 23:07:00 - [182]
 

Good work, wish something beneficial like this came out more often, instead of trolling and lack of intellect.

Hun Jakuza
Minmatar
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.04.26 05:45:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 26/04/2010 05:53:46
Originally by: Caladain Barton
Originally by: arjun
hmmmm til today i was unsure about the inclusion of CO2, WN and RA on the SC side.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-K495/kills
that shows clearly, that those entities are blue to IT (required in the conditions to be included in the SC) and they shoot NC (in this special case working together to protect SBU planted in NC territory). the not inclusion of said entities into the SC by the northern crusade page seems more and more questionable.
mind that i dont know if the side i am on would look better or even worse after the inclusion of said entities.
NC doesnt look good in the statistics. i think thats an accurate assesment of reality but to make the service even better i request to include CO2, WN and possibly RA into the SC.


It's shoddy programming. It's been brought up how they "calculate" kills (very stupid manner) and it's been shown that false killmails (made up ones worth billions of isk) make it into these "calculations". War Propaganda, nothing more.

Honestly, your biggest clue to it being bunk is that they don't show a list of kills and deaths. Who died, who killed, etc. Without a list to check, it's meaningless. Just very manipulatable "data" with no way to look at what it's "counting". Numbers pulled from thin air.

At least the RAWR killboard shows you in battlereport all friendlies on one side, and all reds on the other. It's the only killboard that does this 95% correct that i've found. Still not perfect, but better than magical unicorn numbers pulled from molle's bum.


Yes, this is true. ROL propaganda with false datas from a пахарь.

Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2010.04.26 06:10:00 - [184]
 

It does seem odd that you can't see the kills/losses it is using to drive its data. Yeah, I suppose you can dig down to the underlying eve board and look at the alliance level, but that doesn't do a good job of showing overview or side vs side kills/losses. Would be nice to have a better perspective on that.

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.26 11:03:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Caladain Barton

It's shoddy programming. It's been brought up how they "calculate" kills (very stupid manner) and it's been shown that false killmails (made up ones worth billions of isk) make it into these "calculations". War Propaganda, nothing more.

Honestly, your biggest clue to it being bunk is that they don't show a list of kills and deaths. Who died, who killed, etc. Without a list to check, it's meaningless. Just very manipulatable "data" with no way to look at what it's "counting". Numbers pulled from thin air.

At least the RAWR killboard shows you in battlereport all friendlies on one side, and all reds on the other. It's the only killboard that does this 95% correct that i've found. Still not perfect, but better than magical unicorn numbers pulled from molle's bum.


Why is it a stupid manner that we calculate it?.. It makes sense, if a pilot from SC dies, where theres an NC pilot on the involved list - its counted as a loss for SC, and a kill for NC - and the other way around.
I dont see that as being stupid, i see that as being natural - if you have any other way of calculating kills/losses for this campaign, please elaborate and let us know.

As for the being bunk, you can always see the involved mails by looking at any killboard that EVSCO hosts (*.mindflood.org *.eve-kill.net *.killmail.org domains and a few private with custom domains) - as for the RAWR killboard, its running on the same database as the Northern Crusade site.

So, clue? yeah you dont have one.. Keep on trying however.

Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: arjun


Specially when these 3 entities were working together with IT/ROL today during ZK-495 fight.


Just because two entities work together one day, doesnt mean they do the next.
White Noise (WN) shoots at both SC and NC - sometimes they take sides with SC against NC, but if they dont do it on a constant basis we wont include them in the calculations.
CO2 and RA i'll have a look at, but chances are they claim they shoot at both sides aswell (if you dont, please let me know)

Originally by: Mistress Suffering
It does seem odd that you can't see the kills/losses it is using to drive its data. Yeah, I suppose you can dig down to the underlying eve board and look at the alliance level, but that doesn't do a good job of showing overview or side vs side kills/losses. Would be nice to have a better perspective on that.


You can't see the kills/losses on Northern Crusade, cause coding the stuff for viewing all of that data would be immense - and rather ******ed when thinking back on the fact that you already have the killboard coded.
If you want to view bit more detailed on the days, just click Daily in the top menu, and then scroll down to the date you want to look at - and click Details (its rather easy to miss, yeah - blame Peters designing skills Laughing)

Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 26/04/2010 05:53:46
Yes, this is true. ROL propaganda with false datas from a пахарь.


Well, it just so happens this isn't run by ROL - hell im sure Nync wouldn't mind kicking my ass for even typing on CAOD.
Its run by EVSCO. PeterPowers is the coder and im the hoster - we just so happen to be against NC, but im guessing thats where the gripe is.

Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes
Im guessing if i did that, then it would switch from being oh so fail and inacurate to being OMGWTFPWNAWESOMETOOLYARRGG

This being said, if you dont like it - dont use it..

Blazde
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.04.26 12:40:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Blazde on 26/04/2010 12:42:41
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: DeadDuck
Specially when these 3 entities were working together with IT/ROL today during ZK-495 fight.

Just because two entities work together one day, doesnt mean they do the next.
White Noise (WN) shoots at both SC and NC - sometimes they take sides with SC against NC, but if they dont do it on a constant basis we wont include them in the calculations.

C'mon, you don't have a leg to stand on anymore on this point. It's just good old fashioned "my corp has 95% kill ratio" stuff. If there's a battle involving IT & WN & CO2 vs RAWR & RZR & SPLR and each alliance on both sides loses one battleship a piece, your Crusader calculations consider that a 3 to 1 win for IT. That's basically what happened yesterday (with even more alliaces involved). WN, CO2, RA, and XIX may not always be blue to you but they are definetely not during this conflict ever going to be blue to us or fight alongside us against against you. They may shoot you guys from time to time but that doesn't affect the stats as your page caculates them, because we're not invoved in those fights. Anytime the NC is there too they're on your side.

Originally by: Karbowiak
Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes
Im guessing if i did that, then it would switch from being oh so fail and inacurate to being OMGWTFPWNAWESOMETOOLYARRGG

I'd make sure you got it right if you were in RAWR, the way you're doing it now would just make us look silly. Sorry.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.26 12:45:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Karbowiak
Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes


Not if the service you hosted was this bad and obviously just biased/faked.

Fortuk Monmouth
Caldari
Pilipino Corp
Posted - 2010.04.26 13:28:00 - [188]
 

The NC bawwing in this thread is awesome.

clagnuts
Minmatar
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.26 13:39:00 - [189]
 

what a load of *******s , look at sundays stats , thats such garbage , why dont you tell the facts as they are we know your pets are fickle and the first sign of trouble they will run back down south but pls dont cook the books so much , you got ****d all day you know it we know it so stop with this bull****

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.26 13:39:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Ace Frehley on 26/04/2010 13:40:10
Originally by: Blazde
Edited by: Blazde on 26/04/2010 12:42:41
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: DeadDuck
Specially when these 3 entities were working together with IT/ROL today during ZK-495 fight.

Just because two entities work together one day, doesnt mean they do the next.
White Noise (WN) shoots at both SC and NC - sometimes they take sides with SC against NC, but if they dont do it on a constant basis we wont include them in the calculations.

C'mon, you don't have a leg to stand on anymore on this point. It's just good old fashioned "my corp has 95% kill ratio" stuff. If there's a battle involving IT & WN & CO2 vs RAWR & RZR & SPLR and each alliance on both sides loses one battleship a piece, your Crusader calculations consider that a 3 to 1 win for IT. That's basically what happened yesterday (with even more alliaces involved). WN, CO2, RA, and XIX may not always be blue to you but they are definetely not during this conflict ever going to be blue to us or fight alongside us against against you. They may shoot you guys from time to time but that doesn't affect the stats as your page caculates them, because we're not invoved in those fights. Anytime the NC is there too they're on your side.

Originally by: Karbowiak
Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes
Im guessing if i did that, then it would switch from being oh so fail and inacurate to being OMGWTFPWNAWESOMETOOLYARRGG

I'd make sure you got it right if you were in RAWR, the way you're doing it now would just make us look silly. Sorry.


Meh, not just worth the effort
But RAWR killboard isent much better, cuz all you kill that is non blue is counted as SC by your forumwarriors, so stop whine, if you dont like it, dont use it. NC made CO2 and WN angry before SC came here, just cuz they feck up for you, dosent mean SC is invovled with it?
Then we could add Cursed Alliance to NC, Panda team cuz they shoot fountain renters, PL, cuz they shoot in delve. It is juts pointless, enjoy and take a beer instead and pray for the hamstersCool

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
Posted - 2010.04.26 16:00:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 26/04/2010 16:07:09
What happend HERE yesterday and KQK battle losses/kills, and why not in this battlesstats on fake North... blabla killboard counter ?
I see, when SC losing battles thats not needed there, and abracadabra the ROL propagandist got a positive calculating. :D

Wait, what said Churchill from statistics ?
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself"
Better if you dont fake it.
Your counter authenticity is a big zero, need more datas for compare to kills and losses, but your page shows nothing, just simple fake numbers.

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.26 18:27:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Karbowiak
Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes


Not if the service you hosted was this bad and obviously just biased/faked.


How is it biased / fake ?..
We have explained countless times how its all calculated, and we have triple checked using several different methods that the results are correct..
All im seeing is whining cause you dont like the end result - but ok, i'd also cry if something from the most central source of killmails showed i was losing ugh

Originally by: clagnuts
what a load of *******s , look at sundays stats , thats such garbage , why dont you tell the facts as they are we know your pets are fickle and the first sign of trouble they will run back down south but pls dont cook the books so much , you got ****d all day you know it we know it so stop with this bull****


What? - So you think i'd bother sit look at the page each day, and then just grab some random numbers to make SC look good?.. in your dreams..

Originally by: Tiger's Spirit

What happend HERE yesterday and KQK battle losses/kills, and why not in this battlesstats on fake North... blabla killboard counter ?
I see, when SC losing battles thats not needed there, and abracadabra the ROL propagandist got a positive calculating. :D

Wait, what said Churchill from statistics ?
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself"
Better if you dont fake it.
Your counter authenticity is a big zero, need more datas for compare to kills and losses, but your page shows nothing, just simple fake numbers.



eh what?..

Do i really need to explain how the stats are calculated again?
And how is this ROL propaganda? ROL has nothing todo with this site.

Anyway, if you have anything constructive to say as to why the page is faulty i'll gladly listen and look into it.
But if all you like to write is how useless it is, without having a clue how it works - go for it..

But seriously, get a clue and read some of the previous replies from Peter Powers and myself - how it works is there.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.26 19:49:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Karbowiak
Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes


Not if the service you hosted was this bad and obviously just biased/faked.


How is it biased / fake ?..


1. You are cherrypicking the alliances on your side. Your side said it was 5 coordinated fronts including the CR harrassment campaign so that's the entities you should include if this is the Northern Crusade. If not you might aswell just use the IT kb and call it a day at that. :)

Dr Ngo
Amarr
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2010.04.26 20:01:00 - [194]
 

Wow, the crying in here has really gotten awesome.

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.04.26 20:02:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Karbowiak
Would it help quell your whining if i joined MM? Rolling Eyes


Not if the service you hosted was this bad and obviously just biased/faked.


How is it biased / fake ?..


1. You are cherrypicking the alliances on your side. Your side said it was 5 coordinated fronts including the CR harrassment campaign so that's the entities you should include if this is the Northern Crusade. If not you might aswell just use the IT kb and call it a day at that. :)



Ok then Fred0, in the old days you used to be a fairly straight up guy before you switched to NC easy mode. Let me ask you a simple question. Do you think you are winning? (The war, that is. Not the battle to troll Karbowiak).

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.26 21:49:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Caladain Barton

It's shoddy programming. It's been brought up how they "calculate" kills (very stupid manner) and it's been shown that false killmails (made up ones worth billions of isk) make it into these "calculations". War Propaganda, nothing more.


"it has been brought up" -> actually i have explained a few times in this thread how the kills are counted, and those wo claimed that kills are counted double or kills with friendly fire would count for both sides are simply wrong.
There is no better or more exact way to get such numbers than using a fixed standing list to see who a kill needs to be counted for, and thats exactly whats happening.
About false killmails, Beansman deleted quite alot of duplicates that came through a bug in the EDK a few days ago, other then that, if you see fakes in the EVSCO database: report them.
Besides, just looking at my last 4 losses listed at the northern-coalition board, i can see one mail which is an obvious fake of me dying.

Originally by: Caladain Barton

Honestly, your biggest clue to it being bunk is that they don't show a list of kills and deaths. Who died, who killed, etc. Without a list to check, it's meaningless. Just very manipulatable "data" with no way to look at what it's "counting". Numbers pulled from thin air.


All those kills are in the EVSCO database, which is available through eve-kills.
Showing all kills there would mean to implement yet another killboard, which is not the goal of northern-crusade. Northern-Crusade is showing statistics of values aggregated from the most complete killmail database available, and that is the purpose of it.

Originally by: Caladain Barton

At least the RAWR killboard shows you in battlereport all friendlies on one side, and all reds on the other. It's the only killboard that does this 95% correct that i've found.

Again, Northern-Crusade is not a killboard, also it does not do any battle reports, but since it uses a fixed list of entities on both sides, kills cannot land on the wrong side.

Originally by: Caladain Barton

Still not perfect, but better than magical unicorn numbers pulled from molle's bum.

Neither "Magical Unicorns" nor Molle are involved in this project. As stated before, its a cooperation between EVSCO and me.

Originally by: Fred0

1. You are cherrypicking the alliances on your side. Your side said it was 5 coordinated fronts including the CR harrassment campaign so that's the entities you should include if this is the Northern Crusade. If not you might aswell just use the IT kb and call it a day at that. :)


To my knowledge all entities that are coordinating with us have standings accordingly and are on the list aswell.
As long as someone is shooting at me i will not add him on our side. ever.
As soon as i have reliable information that someone is joining our side (or yours) that entity will be added to the statistics, until then this discussion is a waste of time.

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.26 22:18:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Ok then Fred0, in the old days you used to be a fairly straight up guy before you switched to NC easy mode. Let me ask you a simple question. Do you think you are winning? (The war, that is. Not the battle to troll Karbowiak).


Actually I think we are doing very well, but what do I know?... I'm just a low rank pilot that goes to battles with a bunch of guys and returns from fights still in the company of the same bunch of guys, usually all in a good mood. Maybe we are loosing the war on other places...I don't know. I'm just a low rank pilot, what do I know ?ConfusedRolling Eyes

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
Posted - 2010.04.27 04:48:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 27/04/2010 05:03:24
This: What happend HERE yesterday and KQK battle losses/kills, and why not in this battlesstats on fake North... blabla killboard counter ?
I see, when SC losing battles thats not needed there, and abracadabra the ROL propagandist got a positive calculating. :D

Wait, what said Churchill from statistics ?
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself"
Better if you dont fake it.
Your counter authenticity is a big zero, need more datas for compare to kills and losses, but your page shows nothing, just simple fake numbers.
---------------------------------
And where are the White Noise., RA and other entities on SC datas who fight with side of IT ? I see, they just accidentally moving to same TS and Branch with their friends when attacked KQK :D
Just accidentally dropped SBUs there in system with IT.
Add them to NCrusade fake cr*p which created an IT member.

Oh i almost forgot. 25.IV.2010 in your NCrusade page counted 484 SC losses. I counted too from all SC friendly killboards which fighting with NC at North and died by NC pilot and i got a very big difference. Interesting, your Ncrusade crap missed more than SC 400 plus losses from there on 25th IV. 2010.

Jimmi Bones
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.04.27 04:58:00 - [199]
 

Please tigers spirit, for the love of his holyness, stop posting.

Hun Jakuza
Minmatar
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.04.27 05:22:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 27/04/2010 05:23:10
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 27/04/2010 05:03:24
This: What happend HERE yesterday and KQK battle losses/kills, and why not in this battlesstats on fake North... blabla killboard counter ?
I see, when SC losing battles thats not needed there, and abracadabra the ROL propagandist got a positive calculating. :D

Wait, what said Churchill from statistics ?
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself"
Better if you dont fake it.
Your counter authenticity is a big zero, need more datas for compare to kills and losses, but your page shows nothing, just simple fake numbers.
---------------------------------
And where are the White Noise., RA and other entities on SC datas who fight with side of IT ? I see, they just accidentally moving to same TS and Branch with their friends when attacked KQK :D
Just accidentally dropped SBUs there in system with IT.
Add them to NCrusade fake cr*p which created an IT member.

Oh i almost forgot. 25.IV.2010 in your NCrusade page counted 484 SC losses. I counted too from all SC friendly killboards which fighting with NC at North and died by NC pilot and i got a very big difference. Interesting, your Ncrusade crap missed more than SC 400 plus losses from there on 25th IV. 2010.


Just WN. losses 100+ on 25th. WN. losses + 30 capsules.
They have active campaign but not in Northern Crusade. Lawl.

"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself" Twisted Evil It's true, but IT want good morale from numbers, this the reason why created a fake counter an IT member.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:03:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
1. You are cherrypicking the alliances on your side. Your side said it was 5 coordinated fronts including the CR harrassment campaign so that's the entities you should include if this is the Northern Crusade. If not you might aswell just use the IT kb and call it a day at that. :)



Ok then Fred0, in the old days you used to be a fairly straight up guy before you switched to NC easy mode. Let me ask you a simple question. Do you think you are winning? (The war, that is. Not the battle to troll Karbowiak).


That's a totally different issue than what we were discussing. And it depends.
1. We're definitely loosing the war for moons. It's easy to see we've lost a chunk of income and the invaders have gained 30+. But the interesting figure is how many we lost the first week and how many did we loose last week. :)
2. We're marginally loosing the sov war. But it looks to me like we're winning this part if we think ahead.
3. Isk war in terms of losses on all the fronts we're probably about even or even ahead regardless of that EVSCO bogus service.

Oh and unless this war follows some new logic that I'm yet to experience I'd say we got this one in the bag quite easily for a couple of reasons.
1. when you leave a number of regions behind you sooner or later entities will go there for good fights against residents that we all know suck. That will accelerate and in a month or two the invaders will be forced to put serious effort into keeping their own house safe. So far in EVE that's always happened. And in that respect the attackers are not nearly killing us fast enough sov-wise. This is why the BOB war (delve 2) was both a curse and a blessing for the NC. We were forced into a timeframe that allowed us to work without any (almost) distractions. It was too quick to really kill the alliance.
2. There are no cracks in the NC from what I've seen. There's quite a few new leaders in the different alliances. Under pressure you never know what happens. For them this seems to have been an absolutely awesome get to know eachother better and start cooperating or you die experience. It's been the perfect tonic to show the value of the NC to everyone and it's gotten everybody on the same page.

The above ofcourse carries the caveat that no new major player enters the war or the existing ones radically change what they do and how they do it.

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:18:00 - [202]
 

what does KB statics have to do with this at all?
Im sorry, this is a game and I can only say for me and mostly Atlas. We play to have fun and get fights. And if it takes us an odds on 3 nc vs 1 atlas to get one, I will still take it even if we loose.
i have camped with a few buddies the gallente FW homesystems, until we got that fight, even if we had an odds of 1/10, and some of those wierdos sat in faction BS.

I have for longtime hoped that CCP removed killmails from the game again, that would make pvp much better in eve again, so people stop being lamers and only think about "kb statistics".

Waiting for tiger spirits bla bal "you only say so cuz SC looses yadda yadda yadda".
Next time we need more caps to loose atlas, and please do it in EU time, I need to loose a carrier, you can never be a real man until you got your cap zapped Laughing

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:20:00 - [203]
 

Ace, I think you're in the wrong thread bud. This thread is created only for statistics about this war... Laughing

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:24:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Ace, I think you're in the wrong thread bud. This thread is created only for statistics about this war... Laughing


Yeah I know, Im loosing badly atm, I NEED REINFORCMENT!
Atleast i have some beer in the car.... er wait nvm, even those are gone now Crying or Very sad

Well, are you all naked? Cool

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:29:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Ace Frehley
Well, are you all naked? Cool


I can only vouch for Rydis...

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:39:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Well, are you all naked? Cool


I can only vouch for Rydis...


I have my bayrn Munich jersy on. SO no fighting today boys, it is champions leauge tonite, and daddy need to get new beers to watch this Cool

Julia Ginzinger
Caldari
Tax Free Corporation
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:50:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Ace Frehley
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Well, are you all naked? Cool


I can only vouch for Rydis...


I have my bayrn Munich jersy on. SO no fighting today boys, it is champions leauge tonite, and daddy need to get new beers to watch this Cool


I just hope your soccerplay will be better than Louis van Gaal his german Laughing

Elendar
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:56:00 - [208]
 

I think that as NC pets it is important that all of our kills against blast in fountain are counted in these statistics

Misaki Tanaka
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:56:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Misaki Tanaka on 27/04/2010 08:11:14
Edited by: Misaki Tanaka on 27/04/2010 08:09:35
Originally by: Peter Powers

All those kills are in the EVSCO database, which is available through eve-kills.
Showing all kills there would mean to implement yet another killboard, which is not the goal of northern-crusade. Northern-Crusade is showing statistics of values aggregated from the most complete killmail database available, and that is the purpose of it.



Actually I'm going to "go out on a limb" here and say that this is just a moneygrab. As many of the alliances that are listed on northern-crusade do not run their killboards through eve-kill, some of the most prominent are IT, TCF, SOLO, AAA, Wildly, etc.

So if a huge battle happens between SOLO/TCF and IT/AAA for example and IT/AAA gets stomped, then the only kills that will show up on northern-crusade's website is the ones that are purposely cross posted to an eve-kill killboard. Extra work = nobody posting all kills from battles.

I believe that northern-crusade is not as much war propaganda as it is a money grab and a mindshare grab. It's got that feel of "Well if you aren't paying us to run your killboard then you lose out".

Also I'm not sure I'd trust you with an NC director's full API key. I'm not sure why MM does it. :P

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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:42:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Misaki Tanaka

Actually I'm going to "go out on a limb" here and say that this is just a moneygrab. As many of the alliances that are listed on northern-crusade do not run their killboards through eve-kill, some of the most prominent are IT, TCF, SOLO, AAA, Wildly, etc.


you are wrong, the IT killboard is not hosted by EVSCO,
and i believe SOLODRAKBANetc.. and TCF run their own ones aswell.

Originally by: Misaki Tanaka

So if a huge battle happens between SOLO/TCF and IT/AAA for example and IT/AAA gets stomped, then the only kills that will show up on northern-crusade's website is the ones that are purposely cross posted to an eve-kill killboard. Extra work = nobody posting all kills from battles.

you are wrong there, again. EVSCO is crawling the feeds of the killboards of the other alliances, so usually the kills end up in the databse anyways.

Originally by: Misaki Tanaka

I believe that northern-crusade is not as much war propaganda as it is a money grab and a mindshare grab. It's got that feel of "Well if you aren't paying us to run your killboard then you lose out".


The only ISK im making from it are the donations, which can be seen on the northern-crusade donations page.

Originally by: Misaki Tanaka

Also I'm not sure I'd trust you with an NC director's full API key. I'm not sure why MM does it. :P

besides the fact that the full API key only allows you to read more data than the limited one (you cant manipulate anything), there is an audit log, which allows people to see what data was requested when, including the origin IP from the request.
Besides that, northern-crusade is not using any API key for anything, im using the data from the EVSCO database, which might be feeded from API, but thats nothing todo with my part in this.


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