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Miklas Laces
Gallente
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Posted - 2010.04.12 21:41:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Miklas Laces on 12/04/2010 21:41:39
Originally by: Lady Xantios
Karbowiak. Post links on SHC and then link SHC instead. then all can have link and avoid stupid CCP rules.


just use eve-search http://eve-search.com/thread/1300477

Inappropriate language removed. Navigator

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2010.04.12 21:51:00 - [92]
 

Its not going to be perfectly accurate, because there will be groups on both sides of the conflict whose leaders will claim participation, but their members only serve to get randomly ganked.

So the total war losses are way higher than what is effectively contributing to the economic burn of both sides' core players, even ignoring the insurance payouts. After insurance I say maybe 300b has actually been lost in total (where it counts), split across thousands of participants... means not much.

Although given the short timespan of the war, it could get nasty if the pace keeps up and capital fleets start going down too.

ps: if the other side isn't satisfied with the effort or some inherent bias, they should just go make their own and then a third party neutral can merge the differences.

D3rg3
Minmatar
Alpann Siad Anam
Posted - 2010.04.12 23:54:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
whining




so instead of contributing info so he can make it more accurate, you show your current state of mind and flame him


this is your leader folks

D3rg3
Minmatar
Alpann Siad Anam
Posted - 2010.04.13 00:06:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: D3rg3 on 13/04/2010 00:09:13
Originally by: Grigo
edit edit edit


lol when the others get added, your stats will get even worse !

but hey it proved a point right ?

edit: the start date should be moved back to include the cap fight before April 1

to you flaming fools, either help make it accurate or stfu. your paranoid whining helps nothing.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.04.13 00:14:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 13/04/2010 00:15:11
This might be useful for firefox users: It's a greasemonkey script that will allow you to automatically go to the eve-search version of a thread using a link that appears next to the new topic/reply to topic links.

Linkage

It's worth noting i am not the author of this script. You can thank Haloxx for that.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.13 01:11:00 - [96]
 

o/ folks,

i just added a few charts today, for people who like it a bit more
visual than numbers (alot of people where asking me in chats and other forums for this)
(yes im reading more then this, trying to get more input on how to imrpove)

about the "1st of april" discussion:
I was thinking about the date and when to start quite a bit before we launched the northern-crusade website, because i knew no matter what date i pick there would be discussion. At first my favorite was to start tracking at launch-day, but then alot of people would have complained about the 10 days before that.
Putting the date before a the day that the invasion started might be in favour for the defending forces (not sure i havent run the numbers), but a bit unorthodox too, and i dont see where to draw the line then.
The Decision was made, and it will stay as it is.

About the color discussion:
Blue/Red is a classic color scheme for display of sides in military conflicts, i dont see why i should use something else - Im sure had i made the attacking side pink and the defending side brown, then there would have been complains about brown being a negative color - seriously guys, this website is not about colors.

About the name:
We where discussing a name for the domain on EVSCOs irc channel a few days ago, and pretty much all we could come up with was pretty lame - all circus/clow related stuff would not give credit to all of the attackers, and we did not want to use terms used for previous wars making it more distinctive.
I came up with Crusade, did not like it too much myself (because of the religious associations) but everyone else on that channel liked it - they registered the domain, and northern crusade was born.
When going for the party names i looked at CAOD if it allready had coined a name for the attackers, but most where using SC - which is not only quite lame, but also not accurate (Ev0ke for example is not a southern entity and not all southern major alliances are involved), so looking at the name of the site i believe crusaders is quite a good fit for the name.

Meno Theaetetus
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.04.13 01:12:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 13/04/2010 01:20:08
Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
I'm mainly just disappointed that a group of people trying to provide a professional service would act in such a biased way, I mean the name aside, the NC is shown as red and the SC is blue.



I notice you have an issue with the colours, and am not sure what this would be in an Eve context. Are you upset that Red = Amarr or Blue = Caldari ?

Are you British; upset that this is politicised and Blue = Conservative or Red = Labour ?

I am assuming that you are upset that Red = Warsaw Pact (which hasn't been a threat to your western decadence for almost twenty years) and NATO = Blue ? If this is the case then I suggest you take your prejudicial outrage elsewhere.

Just as a point of interest, until the 1950s the UK used Red for British Forces (what else considering the colour of the Army!) and only switched when it became clear that the Warsaw Pact were the "new enemy".

To get round the issue of upsetting ex-WP forces now within NATO, it is becoming trendy to use Orange as Enemy Forces. Perhaps the Dutch don't get offended.

Meno, I expect you're the same type of person who gets upset when those boards used in classrooms are called a Blackboard.


You serious?

Perhaps you are, well there is this game called 'EvE Online' or 'Internet Spaceships' or 'Lag Online' or 'Session Timers Online' and there is a thing called the standings system. In this 'Standings System' there is a way to make those on your side, or aligned to you appear 'Blue' and those against you or your enemy 'Red'. If your interested they do 15 day trials.

Seriously though, the blackboard has been oppressed by the evil whiteboard for too long.

@peter - I therefore DEMAND that NC be set pink, and no I'm really not joking.


RLCHANCE
Amarr
The Shadow Cartel
War and Pestilence
Posted - 2010.04.13 02:02:00 - [98]
 

I like that Graph on the Nc v Sc Status =D but brite on the eyes the Shocked

Entaran
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.04.13 04:29:00 - [99]
 

This is really quite simple. Until the sides are fixed (WN/CO2 etc) who are claimed to be neutral but realistically do things like temp blue sides to accomplish goals and the entire stats are reupdated from SCRATCH taking into account the changes (I notice that the addition of DNS for instance has not changed the kills count for the last week and they have lost entire fleets of t2) the external NC KB's will just disable feeds to eve-kill. Kind of negates your project right? The MM KB is actually down atm and has been for quite some time.

Right?

Ba'Rumph
Caldari
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.04.13 04:44:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Entaran
This is really quite simple. Until the sides are fixed (WN/CO2 etc) who are claimed to be neutral but realistically do things like temp blue sides to accomplish goals


You don't get it, do you? They are neutral in that they shoot both sides. They are not part of the SC invasion. They could just as easily be counted on your side as on the SC side.

Originally by: Entaran

and the entire stats are reupdated from SCRATCH taking into account the changes (I notice that the addition of DNS for instance has not changed the kills count for the last week and they have lost entire fleets of t2) the external NC KB's will just disable feeds to eve-kill. Kind of negates your project right?


Wait, are you threatening to sabotage this project because it doesn't allow you to claim victories that aren't there? This has to be the best tears extracted in a long time in Eve. Jesus...

Teschan
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.04.13 04:50:00 - [101]
 


Could someone do me the courtesy of reposting this link in a way that CCP wont crap the bed over?

Do it quickly whilst they're busy copy-pasting "we will not give you your stuff back" responses into the people who got shafted by the node in the latest fleet battle Twisted Evil

Cheers.


Ba'Rumph
Caldari
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.04.13 05:40:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Ba''Rumph on 13/04/2010 05:40:35
Originally by: Teschan

Could someone do me the courtesy of reposting this link in a way that CCP wont crap the bed over?

Do it quickly whilst they're busy copy-pasting "we will not give you your stuff back" responses into the people who got shafted by the node in the latest fleet battle Twisted Evil

Cheers.




It's seriously not hard to find, especially for a northern-crusade r like you, I mean come on!

FatFreddy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.04.13 05:55:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: FatFreddy on 13/04/2010 05:58:33
Edited by: FatFreddy on 13/04/2010 05:56:21
Edited by: FatFreddy on 13/04/2010 05:55:19
I see moving this thread to Tools in the first place is apparently more effort than removing the link, putting in fancy colored text, then banning the player and putting in fancy coloured text again.

I mod a forum full of ******s myself, don't really see why a moderator on here would want to generate more work for himself.

Moderation is good, but ****ting on players for wanting to create nifty stuff related to the game instead of some moderation with brains...not cool.

Teschan
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.04.13 06:07:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Ba'Rumph
Edited by: Ba''Rumph on 13/04/2010 05:40:35


It's seriously not hard to find, especially for a northern-crusade r like you, I mean come on!




You know I think I might have just remembered it.. Laughing




Kayai
Minmatar
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.13 06:29:00 - [105]
 

who the hell deleted my post? Seems like someones mad.

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.04.13 07:11:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Entaran
EmbarassedEEmbarassedMEmbarassedOEmbarassedTEmbarassedHEmbarassedREmbarassedEEmbarassedAEmbarassedTEmbarassed


Something about NC disabling feed to eve-kill killboard. Shocked

Dr Ngo
Amarr
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2010.04.13 07:31:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Entaran
This is really quite simple. Until the sides are fixed (WN/CO2 etc) who are claimed to be neutral but realistically do things like temp blue sides to accomplish goals and the entire stats are reupdated from SCRATCH taking into account the changes (I notice that the addition of DNS for instance has not changed the kills count for the last week and they have lost entire fleets of t2) the external NC KB's will just disable feeds to eve-kill. Kind of negates your project right? The MM KB is actually down atm and has been for quite some time.

Right?


Wow, you crammed a ton of emo into one tiny little paragraph Shocked

They already explained this: if there are no official standings then they don't add them to the nap list, that goes for the northern entities as well as it would do much more harm to the stats than good (temp naps are fail anyways). Also the page updates during downtime, not in realtime, so wait out the changes.

In addition you just threatened the equivilent of "GUYS IF WE DON'T PLAY MY WAY THEN I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME." Not only does this make you look spoiled and petty, it also makes you look like you've got something to hide. It's been stated before: If you're not going to help make it better then don't ***** about it. That easy.

(Also can we please stop crying about red vs blue? They're two colors that have been used to represent opposing teams in video games for a long time now and I don't see why it should matter what color your line is.)

That being said, the page should really move the time back to the start of the ingame wardecs. Not only would this include the battle before the 1st, but would also give a solid day when war was 'officially' declared.

Miklas Laces
Gallente
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Posted - 2010.04.13 07:39:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Teschan

Could someone do me the courtesy of reposting this link in a way that CCP wont crap the bed over?



learn to read
http://eve-search.com/thread/1300477

Entaran
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.04.13 07:44:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Entaran
EmbarassedEEmbarassedMEmbarassedOEmbarassedTEmbarassedHEmbarassedREmbarassedEEmbarassedAEmbarassedTEmbarassed


Something about NC disabling feed to eve-kill killboard. Shocked



SC doesn't have it's trolldar turned on today? I would've thought with so many in the "crusaders" you could spot one from the "coalition" at 100 paces.

Way to fail. Shocked

Gertrud ToD
Minmatar
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2010.04.13 08:03:00 - [110]
 

Tbis thread is golden.

what happened so far:

1) Big War kicks off, and all of CAOD is whining about no accurate numbers, NC being the loudest whiners

2) Some guys step up and do something about it (kudos). In the process one of em gets Forum banned

3) NC whines cause they would like to se more corps added to their hostiles.

4) Guys add more corps to solution

5) NC splits up in whining about adding even more corps, even though those are hostile to the side they want 'em added too, and whining about colors / names used.

6) Guys say no.

7) More NC whine, threats to remove itself as datasource if guys hostile to SC are not added to SC side.

What have we learned so far:
EVSCO Guys: good job
NC: shame on you. if you do not like your numbers fight, and ffs, get someone to manage your public relations, this is a catastrophe.
SC: i'm sure sooner or later i'll think of something to write for you too.

Bernadictus
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.13 08:33:00 - [111]
 

I'm glad to see CCP's moderation staff has no issues loading grid. Perhaps they could re-route some of the Mods effort into fixing the Grid.

Leuthispar
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.13 08:37:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Gertrud ToD
Tbis thread is golden.

what happened so far:

1) Big War kicks off, and all of CAOD is whining about no accurate numbers, NC being the loudest whiners

2) Some guys step up and do something about it (kudos). In the process one of em gets Forum banned

3) NC whines cause they would like to se more corps added to their hostiles.

4) Guys add more corps to solution

5) NC splits up in whining about adding even more corps, even though those are hostile to the side they want 'em added too, and whining about colors / names used.

6) Guys say no.

7) More NC whine, threats to remove itself as datasource if guys hostile to SC are not added to SC side.

What have we learned so far:
EVSCO Guys: good job
NC: shame on you. if you do not like your numbers fight, and ffs, get someone to manage your public relations, this is a catastrophe.
SC: i'm sure sooner or later i'll think of something to write for you too.


Haha this is so true and awesome, best thread summary ever, someone from CCP just delete all the posts except the first one and this one :)

Grigo
Caldari
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.04.13 09:00:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Ba'Rumph

So, you're saying that the killboards that this board draws it's stats from are inaccurate? It's a simple database, you know. If you feel that your mathematical and statistical know-how surpasses that of the admins of the stat-feeding killboards, feel free to take it up with them. This aggregate killboard just compiles the stats that the other killboards lists.

just off the top of my head i can point out at least 4 large errors that the killbord you are pulling information from has. coming here and whit the "here are the exact stas" and then going "feel free to take it up with them" is not the way to do stuff
Just try to remove a fake mail and see what happens whit the stats(alliance/corp/personal), and how fast it is reposted from rss feed.

Originally by: Ba'Rumph

It's spelled "whine", and yes, you do have a reason to whine. This aggregate killboard competently dispels the myth that the NC is winning.


lol ok if u say so btw what are the lottery numbers as apparently u have a very evolved sence to see the future and read people minds. and the killbord stats that u have presented are only part of the actual story, but i dont aspect anything more from someone that is
1) red
2) very active CAOD poster

i do not see your point as checking WN and CO2 KB i have found just a couple of km's from SC , no large battles, and whit the active campaign from CO2 and molles's speech there is no doubt they are on your side. but then again i will have more luck reasoning whit a wall then you aparently.
Originally by: Ba'Rumph


My RL background tells me that you're wrong.


my 13 years of back end web developing and 2 master degrees in mathematics and computer engineering say otherwise. but o wait i am only trained to code smart software i have no idea of kb's....right?...right?

Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
@peter - I therefore DEMAND that NC be set pink, and no I'm really not joking.
i second that

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.13 09:07:00 - [114]
 

one little request: please make it so, that the baseline of the graphs is at zero. looking at it now i get depressed, but maybe thats the purpose Laughing. make little arjun happy please.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.13 09:42:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: arjun
one little request: please make it so, that the baseline of the graphs is at zero. looking at it now i get depressed, but maybe thats the purpose Laughing. make little arjun happy please.

i had that before, and i just enabled it again (since several people have been asking for this. personally i prefered the other variant where the lowest value is the baseline since it leaves a bit more space for the information, but meh..

SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.04.13 10:42:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
.



We need some epic muzak, and some epic probing, and some epic scheemings to be complete. Viceroy is crying himself to sleep every night, frst is repeatedly running head first into walls, and Waagaa is wearing skirts.

On another note, epic battles every day rocks. Thank good doomsday is removed.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.13 10:45:00 - [117]
 

on request of one of the donators - pie charts for the total values have been added.

Myz Toyou
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2010.04.13 10:50:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Peter Powers
on request of one of the donators - pie charts for the total values have been added.


In before: The pie was a lie !11! comments from NC members Laughing

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.13 11:03:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: arjun on 13/04/2010 11:05:29
would be interesting to see how the kills are divided into ship classes like bs or capitals or bombers for both sides.

edit : i would donate my hard earned 5 million isk but wouldnt want the hostiles to buy whole new fleets with it.

CBBOMBERMAN
Gallente
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2010.04.13 11:06:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:09:47
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:06:04
funny the whining. Laughing

Well how can the NC expect to be wining if they are on the defence all the time? They dont even attack their enemy POSs. They are loosing the eco war alredy. Surelly they can see that loosing the eco war in EVE is loosing the war! It will happen the same as with the Pathetic Legion. Keep loosing moons then demoralized then move to empire space. Is anyone sees this pattern yet?

At the end of all it does not really matters how many ships are killed or not (exception would be to kill 300 + capitals would slow down the advance)...What matters is that you dont loose the eco war. Once you loose that, the stampeed begins...Surelly they are clever enough to know that?


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