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Ghoest
Posted - 2010.04.07 15:50:00 - [31]
 

I can fly all 4 races up through BS including HACs etc.

The game has never been as balanced as it is now.
Thats not to say there isnt room for improvement especially with specific ships but there is no bad race.

Race wise the one thing thats stands out is that Cald is in general better at PVE and while not inferior in PVP its uses are are more narrow.

Elu Arina
Minmatar
The Flying Tigers
Posted - 2010.04.08 17:48:00 - [32]
 

I agree that Gallente aren't good at everything, but none of the races are. Caldari BSes are almost entirely absent from fleets; Their only saving grace is ewar. In PvE, though, they really shine. That, and they have the Drake. Amarr are really only known for their battleships, which excel in their typical roles. Anything sub-BS (excepting Amarr recons/hacs) is rather lackluster. Minmatar ships are fast, but this is balanced by the fact that their tanks are often rather weak. They're the worst race for anything PVE. In the smaller ship classes though, they do have some excellent ships.

Honestly, the balancing is pretty good all things considered. Gallente aren't super weak compared to any of the races. Myrms are still mean ships. Megas and Hyperions are excellent fleet ships. Ishtars are one of the few ships that can plex solo. The Taranis and Ishkur both stand out in their respective classes. Thoraxes put out a lot of dps for a cruiser. Granted, Gallente ships aren't fast, but they usually pack a punch.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.04.09 08:01:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Elu Arina
-stuff-


Pretty much the truth.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.04.10 23:56:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Nico Terces

First of all, the local armorrepair bonus of 7.5% is simply inferior to the resistance bonusses that some amarr ships get. I think there were some threads going around suggesting to change the 7.5% armor bonus to 10%.



Making ultra turbo solo tanks which can't do DPS is making failboats essentially speaking. A active armor tanked, eg. Brutix is a piece of rubbish. Shield tanked with neutrons it's one hell of a mean ship and easily the best Tier 1 BC.

Originally by: Nico Terces

Furthermore blasters either lack range or tracking. They can't hit well up close, but they can't reach very far either. This used to be okay when webs slowed for 90%, but as this isnt the case, blasters need some extra tracking or an increase in optimal.



I'll ask again - what is it you're doing if you have tracking problems? Orbit at 500 with MWD on or something?


Sarius Deteis
The 8th Order
Posted - 2010.04.11 00:35:00 - [35]
 

From a solo PVP stand point gallente may be a bit handicapped if you did not cross train anything, but then again who solo PVPs these days anyways? IMHO the days of solo PVP are long gone, and fleets will welcome a gellente ship with good DPS into it any day.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2010.04.11 04:40:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Gallente isn't meant to shieldtank thos by design, thereby the CPU on teh ships. And frankly how many gallente ships do you actually shield tank as gallente? myrm, domi, any i am missing but those are the main i think.


Originally by: Cpt Branko

Making ultra turbo solo tanks which can't do DPS is making failboats essentially speaking. A active armor tanked, eg. Brutix is a piece of rubbish. Shield tanked with neutrons it's one hell of a mean ship and easily the best Tier 1 BC.


[Brutix, it kills things]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

I'd actually swap those Hammers for Valks; that was for EFT comparison.

Trust me; the Brutix is a solid shield tank.

And don't tell Pottsey that Gal isn't a shield tanking race; it won't go well for you.

The Myrm and the recons are the only ships I'm truly disappointed in (BC 5, all racial cruisers 5, all but Amarr frigs 5, Gal BS 5 (but only for the Domi; no T2 large Hybrids), AF 4, Inty 4, HAC 4, Recon 5). Granted, no Gal frig can match a Rifter, but oh well; nothing can. Just grab a Rifter. And then either a DD or the-ship-that-shall-not-be-named-for-fear-of-derailing-another-thread.

phantomshura
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.11 08:14:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: phantomshura on 11/04/2010 08:17:11
the main problems of gallente are: diemost, thanatos's useless bonus, blasters, blasters, hyperion(just a bit), did i mention blasters?,and deimos reloaded.

blaster boats suck because armor tank hates speed(*cought* rigs+plates) and without speed you cant get in the blasters range, and blaster just suck at everything tracking, range, barely do more dps than pulse, tracking, etc.

im gallente and only use drone boats for roams and sniper ships because blaster are hopeless.

i tried to hit a friend's drake orbiting me without mwd or ab with brutix+neutrons... just missed nice tracking heh

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.04.11 09:21:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: phantomshura

i tried to hit a friend's drake orbiting me without mwd or ab with brutix+neutrons... just missed nice tracking heh


You deserve to miss if a Drake can orbit you.

Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.11 15:00:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Gallente isn't meant to shieldtank thos by design, thereby the CPU on teh ships. And frankly how many gallente ships do you actually shield tank as gallente? myrm, domi, any i am missing but those are the main i think.


Originally by: Cpt Branko

Making ultra turbo solo tanks which can't do DPS is making failboats essentially speaking. A active armor tanked, eg. Brutix is a piece of rubbish. Shield tanked with neutrons it's one hell of a mean ship and easily the best Tier 1 BC.


[Brutix, it kills things]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

I'd actually swap those Hammers for Valks; that was for EFT comparison.

Trust me; the Brutix is a solid shield tank.

And don't tell Pottsey that Gal isn't a shield tanking race; it won't go well for you.

The Myrm and the recons are the only ships I'm truly disappointed in (BC 5, all racial cruisers 5, all but Amarr frigs 5, Gal BS 5 (but only for the Domi; no T2 large Hybrids), AF 4, Inty 4, HAC 4, Recon 5). Granted, no Gal frig can match a Rifter, but oh well; nothing can. Just grab a Rifter. And then either a DD or the-ship-that-shall-not-be-named-for-fear-of-derailing-another-thread.


Point taken, i am not saying that gallente can't shield tank, what i am saying is that by CCP's design of them that they are not ineherently shield tanks. As i said in that post i was well aware that Domi and myrm was very often shield tanked.

So don't take things out of context please, Gallente can shield tank yes, some of the ships at least. But they do not have the large CPU's like caldari have since the caldari ships are almost purely shield tank while gallene is almost purely armor tanked, with a few exeptions of course.

This is why gallente doesn't have the CPU like caldari or matar shield tanked ships.


Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2010.04.12 06:37:00 - [40]
 


Im a gallente and proud of it. And I feel that all other races sucks compared to me! Razz


The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2010.04.12 11:54:00 - [41]
 

Drone ships are not to bad.

Would not bother with blaster ships.




Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.04.12 20:44:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Gallente isn't meant to shieldtank thos by design, thereby the CPU on teh ships. And frankly how many gallente ships do you actually shield tank as gallente? myrm, domi, any i am missing but those are the main i think.


Originally by: Cpt Branko

Making ultra turbo solo tanks which can't do DPS is making failboats essentially speaking. A active armor tanked, eg. Brutix is a piece of rubbish. Shield tanked with neutrons it's one hell of a mean ship and easily the best Tier 1 BC.


[Brutix, it kills things]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

I'd actually swap those Hammers for Valks; that was for EFT comparison.

Trust me; the Brutix is a solid shield tank.

And don't tell Pottsey that Gal isn't a shield tanking race; it won't go well for you.

The Myrm and the recons are the only ships I'm truly disappointed in (BC 5, all racial cruisers 5, all but Amarr frigs 5, Gal BS 5 (but only for the Domi; no T2 large Hybrids), AF 4, Inty 4, HAC 4, Recon 5). Granted, no Gal frig can match a Rifter, but oh well; nothing can. Just grab a Rifter. And then either a DD or the-ship-that-shall-not-be-named-for-fear-of-derailing-another-thread.


The very fact that the best fits for a Brutix are shield tanks that completely ignore it's tank bonus is an indication of the problem in the first place.

Perhaps it should just loose the armor rep bonus and get a tracking bonus for it's second bonus. and the Myrm could get a drone bandwidth/bay bonus instead of armor rep as well then we it would be less an concern.

I've already decided that as a Gallante that I've got to get shield skills which is going to delay my getting back to ship and offensive skills by an extra month. So much for Gallante being primarily armor tankers.

Aerine Diamond
Caldari
FREE GATES ACADEMY
Posted - 2010.04.12 22:55:00 - [43]
 

Gallente suck? Seriously?
Have you looked at caldari for example?

Caldari are good for PvE. And nothing else most of the time. Missiles are mostly crap in PvP, and their railgun ships' bonuses are mostly useless.
There are 2 really good T1 caldari ships: Drake and Raven. Everyone uses them, and most of the other are not very good.

In light of this, gallente is really nice, I think.

Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.13 01:05:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Gallente isn't meant to shieldtank thos by design, thereby the CPU on teh ships. And frankly how many gallente ships do you actually shield tank as gallente? myrm, domi, any i am missing but those are the main i think.


Originally by: Cpt Branko

Making ultra turbo solo tanks which can't do DPS is making failboats essentially speaking. A active armor tanked, eg. Brutix is a piece of rubbish. Shield tanked with neutrons it's one hell of a mean ship and easily the best Tier 1 BC.


[Brutix, it kills things]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

I'd actually swap those Hammers for Valks; that was for EFT comparison.

Trust me; the Brutix is a solid shield tank.

And don't tell Pottsey that Gal isn't a shield tanking race; it won't go well for you.

The Myrm and the recons are the only ships I'm truly disappointed in (BC 5, all racial cruisers 5, all but Amarr frigs 5, Gal BS 5 (but only for the Domi; no T2 large Hybrids), AF 4, Inty 4, HAC 4, Recon 5). Granted, no Gal frig can match a Rifter, but oh well; nothing can. Just grab a Rifter. And then either a DD or the-ship-that-shall-not-be-named-for-fear-of-derailing-another-thread.


The very fact that the best fits for a Brutix are shield tanks that completely ignore it's tank bonus is an indication of the problem in the first place.

Perhaps it should just loose the armor rep bonus and get a tracking bonus for it's second bonus. and the Myrm could get a drone bandwidth/bay bonus instead of armor rep as well then we it would be less an concern.

I've already decided that as a Gallante that I've got to get shield skills which is going to delay my getting back to ship and offensive skills by an extra month. So much for Gallante being primarily armor tankers.


They should NOT touch the repping bonuses on the myrm or other gallente ships, for the brutix a tracking bonus would be awesome i admit. But the myrm can active tank just fine, that is because it's got the lows/mids making it capable to support it. Brutix got to few low slots to be an active tank and blasters are to PG heavy to support it aswell.

Contrary to popular belief i find the repping bonuses being very good if worked properly, my active tanked myrm with dual reppers can handle quite abit of incoming fire and still stay good capwise. Brutix is a pure blasterboat on the other hand, a good one in the right hands, but also very skill intensive, but it does it's job very well.

Hyperion is also a great ship, altho lacking abit on the powergrid side it's not to hard to fit it with a dualrepper setup giving it an extremely good tank.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:48:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/04/2010 13:49:05
Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Contrary to popular belief i find the repping bonuses being very good if worked properly, my active tanked myrm with dual reppers can handle quite abit of incoming fire and still stay good capwise. Brutix is a pure blasterboat on the other hand, a good one in the right hands, but also very skill intensive, but it does it's job very well.



The Myrmidon with a drone bandwidth/dronebay bonus would be a infinitely better ship then it is now with the rep bonus. 1100 DPS fairly fast shieldtanked DPS monster from hell with 5 mids? Sounds like OP actually.

Dual rep Myrmidon is meh. Triple rep Myrmidon is okay-ish with exile and implants, and provided the target is not neuting you in addition to having good DPS and provided the target cannot permanently kite you until you die and provided he doesn't bring anything else to a party in the fairly long time you need to actually kill something with its anemic DPS.

As soon as we start discussing any, even small gang, engagements active tanking starts to go out of the window, and the ships involved have just wasted a bonus.



Entrepaz
Posted - 2010.04.13 22:02:00 - [46]
 

The OP is trolling this, but I don't know why.

Neutral

Try and find some RR in a Caldari BS, or make a dps boat, goddamn optimal bonuses...

Try and Tackle with amarr frigate.

Well, yeah, minmitar for the win....

Fail troll is fail.

Jerid Verges
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.04.14 04:35:00 - [47]
 

Why are Gallente failing? Because everything that you need to put on a ship sucks your cap dry (MWD, Hybrids, Armor Rep) and all are incredibly PW intensive making it hard to set up.

And there is the issue of Gallente not being fast enough to close/keep up with enemy so they can deal damage.

Plus, Drone Interface is so horrid drones suffer miserably.

MWDrive
Posted - 2010.04.14 10:23:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: MWDrive on 14/04/2010 10:23:39
Originally by: Entrepaz
The OP is trolling this, but I don't know why.

Neutral

Try and find some RR in a Caldari BS, or make a dps boat, goddamn optimal bonuses...

Try and Tackle with amarr frigate.

Well, yeah, minmitar for the win....

Fail troll is fail.
yeah, you relly cant get raven over 1k dps easily... and you cant tackle anything with amarr frigs... its not like they have 3 mids... oh wait Rolling Eyes

Nico Terces
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.15 10:03:00 - [49]
 

I prefer to fit shieldtanks to most gallente ships as well. My problem isnt "some armor-tank failfit that doesnt do dps", my problem are useless bonusses.

The thing with the 7.5% local armor-rep bonus is that it only benefits your local armor-rep bonus. The amarr armor-bonusses on the other hand are 5% to all resistances. This means that you get an effective bonus to armor rep (since your armor is worth 1/(1-0.05*skilllevel) times more), you get an effective bonus to armor-buffer tank, and you get an effective bonus to remote repping received. This is worth more than 7.5% bonus to local armor-repping, so if they're not removing the bonus at all, buffing it to 10% local armor-rep amount bonus would help a little as well.

Heikki
Gallente
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.04.15 10:36:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Tyrone Bighams
training .. to fly Gallente .. originally intended .. wasted
So you saying your skillpoints on Electronic Warfare skills are wasted now that EWs are midslot mods, and CCP should go back to the original design..?

Personal I have tried to focus on almost-pure Gallente path, and never ever felt that the ships in general are the underdog. Instead I've had a few periods were it ruled to be Gallente (like pre-nano blasterships, nano-Ishtar, and pre-nerf Moros).

Nowadays it seems to okay to fly Gallente things; we can do about all what others do, although won't excel in that many areas.

Instead of following forum cries, I really hope CCP watches some statistics of (combat) usage of items/fits. Like if blaster-boats usage declines, they'll know its time to give a tiny boost.

It's slowly swinging pendulum; our time shall come again.


-Lasse
who was forced on small escapade with that Amarr logistic..



Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2010.04.15 11:45:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 15/04/2010 11:45:20

Gallente have the best T1 solo ships in the game and likely the best interceptor and AF. Sure, blaster suck a bit but it's not that big of a deal. If anything were to be fixed, I'd like gate guns to stop shooting my dam drones.



Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.15 12:13:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 15/04/2010 11:45:20

Gallente have the best T1 solo ships in the game and likely the best interceptor and AF. Sure, blaster suck a bit but it's not that big of a deal. If anything were to be fixed, I'd like gate guns to stop shooting my dam drones.




On the AF and interceptor, both gallente ceptors are amazing. On the AF side, the ishtar is awesome, but matar does have the best AF's overall, the ishtar doesn't fall closely behind tho. Blasters are pretty good, takes some micromanagement compared to AC's/lasers but i enjoy them personally. What i like about gallente is that almost all their ships got some kind of dronebay, meaning you can have a blasterboat but still have dronesupport, something that is fairly uniqe for gallente in my opinion.

ZG Oglethorpe
Posted - 2010.04.17 20:32:00 - [53]
 

Every race has something they are not happy with.

Gallente may have it's faults but they do have good points too. It could be worse, you could fly Caldari.

Tsu'ko
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.19 12:01:00 - [54]
 

I laugh at this, gallente need buff? try playing with amarr and see how "great" lasers really are, the worst tracking in game, highest powergrid requirement in game, poor cpu/pg for most of the ships compared to the need (very tight fits, forget about fitting MWD because it is IMPOSSIBLE), little cargo bay, and lousy capacity capacitor for the need.

On top of all this amarr ships are nerfed by default by giving capacitor upgrades instaid of weapon or armor upgrades.

I think since the time amarr ships got nerfed because laz0rs was Overpowering they will never get any kind of buff though.

They should do this: buff lasors more, and remove the bonus to laz0rs, that way you can fit blasters on your ship or projectiles without feeling too guilty, and lasers will do crap out of other races capacitors.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.04.19 14:10:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Tsu'ko
I laugh at this, gallente need buff? try playing with amarr and see how "great" lasers really are, the worst tracking in game, highest powergrid requirement in game, poor cpu/pg for most of the ships compared to the need (very tight fits, forget about fitting MWD because it is IMPOSSIBLE), little cargo bay, and lousy capacity capacitor for the need.

On top of all this amarr ships are nerfed by default by giving capacitor upgrades instaid of weapon or armor upgrades.

I think since the time amarr ships got nerfed because laz0rs was Overpowering they will never get any kind of buff though.

They should do this: buff lasors more, and remove the bonus to laz0rs, that way you can fit blasters on your ship or projectiles without feeling too guilty, and lasers will do crap out of other races capacitors.
I'm sorry, you're roughly 2 years late to the party. Would you like to make a more up-to-date complaint?


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