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Lashnar
Caldari
LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
Posted - 2010.03.30 19:17:00 - [1]
 

So, for Solo PVP I'm thinking either interceptor, interdictor, or heavy interdictor, and maybe a cruiser. I am Caldari and I plan to be working with Missiles. But out of those ship classes, (Oh yeah, Battlecruisers too.)which would be better for Solo-PVP. Now all my fits for these are around 20 million ISK.

Which brings another problem. Income.

Mining is my stable income. But 2 million ISK an hour is pretty bad. Yes I have a destroyer, yes I have GSC's planted near the asteroids I have trained for (Rich plagioclase)but even so, losing a twenty million ISK ship in five minutes and then needed ten hours to replace it is kinda bad.

In short. I would like to know which ship class I have listed is best for Solo PVP, and how mining can be a stable source of income, with more money involved.

Owen Drakkar
Bad...Karma
Posted - 2010.03.30 19:25:00 - [2]
 

Try this. Downgrade for your budget and skills, go find some frigs/af/ceptors/destroyers and get some practice in.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.03.30 19:26:00 - [3]
 

A destroyer? For mining? Get a hulk if you really wanna mine. But mining isn't that great right now and it's boring too, I'd just run missions instead until they do something about mining.
Heavy interdictors would cost you alot more than 20 million isk, actually, so would most of those ships. I'd go with a battlecruiser, decent ships for a decent price.

Frozen Corpses
Posted - 2010.03.30 20:15:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Drykor
A destroyer? For mining? Get a hulk if you really wanna mine. But mining isn't that great right now and it's boring too, I'd just run missions instead until they do something about mining.
Heavy interdictors would cost you alot more than 20 million isk, actually, so would most of those ships. I'd go with a battlecruiser, decent ships for a decent price.


Sounds like a new player to me. And Im sure he dosnt want to spend 3 months training for a stupid hulk. When I started I used a Industrial and a market watcher to compare prices on NPC goods. Buy low sell high, I made about 250mil a week my 2nd week playing.

Adelphie
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.03.30 20:21:00 - [5]
 

HAM Drakes are very good solo boats.

PVP income should far outweigh costs if you are good Very Happy

Melor Rend
Posted - 2010.03.30 20:40:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Melor Rend on 30/03/2010 20:41:01
I really can't recommend solo PVP unless you're very skilled (real life skills, not in-game). It will just be frustrating and you'll lose your hard earned ISK again and again. The first rule of EVE PVP is: bring friends.

I'd really recommend you join a newbie friendly PVP corp or alliance so you can learn from/with them.

If you really insist on trying solo PVP then I guess it depends on where you PVP. A Heavy Interdictor might be fun in lowsec to get some easy ganks (macro haulers and such) but chances are you'll get baited and ganked very quick (and HICs are not exactly very cheap). I think I'd recommend you to fly a frigate (you can lose 100 and still lose less then a HIC) or perhaps a t1 cruiser for the same reason. But again, I really can't recommend it unless you don't mind dying many many times.

Join a good corp, learn to make ISK (by training good mining skills, buying a hulk and mining in 0.0 for example) and PVP in small gangs until you know what you're doing. Then you can think about solo PVP.

Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2010.03.30 20:46:00 - [7]
 

Just do a drake.

Everyone else does


Lashnar
Caldari
LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
Posted - 2010.03.30 20:52:00 - [8]
 

I want to make a small little point here, I don't MINE in a destroyer, that's a stupid thing to do. I have a covetor, I'm working on getting a Hulk. Also, I really didn't want to leave the corp I'm in. I'm thinking about it though.

AndrewBot88
Posted - 2010.03.30 21:28:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: AndrewBot88 on 30/03/2010 21:35:11
Nevermind, actually. after doing some math i think i might be wrong

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.03.30 21:40:00 - [10]
 

Train for a destroyer (Thrasher), it is very good for fighting T1/T2 frigates and not very expensive either.

You might want to secure yourself a budget covering some initial losses (say, 50-100M), although after a bit of time you should be making ISK from loot.

Learn how to use the directional scanner, learn how to properly setup your overview and the rough capabilities of various ships, and naturally, what your own ship can do. Learn the space you intend to fly in; very blobby areas (Amamake, the whole Old Man Star -> Tama route, etcetera) you will get ganked frequently, so you might want to avoid that; it helps if you know a area and its typical locals so you know who likes to blob, who is good and who isn't and so on. Don't be afraid to ask people for questions what you could've done better.

Originally by: Melor Rend
Edited by: Melor Rend on 30/03/2010 20:41:01
I really can't recommend solo PVP unless you're very skilled (real life skills, not in-game). It will just be frustrating and you'll lose your hard earned ISK again and again. The first rule of EVE PVP is: bring friends.


Ignore this guy. That way you eventually end up like one of those people who tackle a Hurricane with a Arazu at 5km because they've only ever flown in blob and as a consequence lose their mind if they don't have 20 people in local.


Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.03.30 21:54:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Camios on 30/03/2010 21:55:00
Wait. Mining in a destroyer? I did it. And I made a mistake.

Every race has a frigate for mining that has a huge bonus, it will mine much more than any destroyer, check the bantam for example.
It's 20% bonus per level, isn't it good? It's like having 3,6 lasers instead of 2 (with caldari frig lvl 4).

Then you could go for the osprey, you train caldari cruiser to 4 so you can comfortably fly the caracal and have 3 lasers with a 80% bonus which means 5.4 effective lasers, much more than a destroyer.

And use t2 lasers! And mining upgrades (t2 is 4 days of training)! And train astrogeology!

Then if you want go for the retriever. It's not so much better than the osprey, I mean not so much to justify 10 days of training but it may be worth it.

But be aware that mining in empire, even with a covetor/hulk is much less profitable than running missions, even lvl3 ones.
In order to make real money with mining (20 mil hour or more with an hulk), you have to go into 0.0 but there you will not find many chances to fight 1vs1.

So mining and solo pvp with little skillpoints do not go well togeter in order "to succeed in EVE", but you have to do what you like, not what people say is pr0.

Lashnar
Caldari
LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
Posted - 2010.03.31 00:02:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Lashnar on 31/03/2010 00:34:09
Edited by: Lashnar on 31/03/2010 00:03:17
I am thinking about joining the Caldari Militia. But two things are stopping me. A: I'm not sure If I want to leave the corp I'm in. B: How high is the average player intelligence in those things? You know, should I expect smart people who can help me and teach me, or people who can't spell and don't know what ";" is used for.

Edit: Just so everyone knows, My wallet usually contains 60-80 million ISK. I'm not some guy wanting to get into PVP with only 100 ISK. Laughing

Edit: I've yet to see any rats in null sec. So I just keep an eye for players? Or are Rats a danger there too?

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.03.31 00:08:00 - [13]
 

I have full sets of researched bpos for each race's cruisers, hit me up and I'll run some copies for you when they're out of their next run of research (about 15 days).

Morrn
Gallente
Organized Chaos Inc
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.03.31 06:06:00 - [14]
 

plenty of rats in null sec. High value ones too.

Melor Rend
Posted - 2010.03.31 06:58:00 - [15]
 

The people who recommend noobs to start out with solo pvp really are out of touch with the reality of being new to eve. There is WAY to much you have to learn (by losing heaps pf ships that a noob can hardly replace) when you could just as well join a decent corp to help you. Ofc it's possible.... It's just very inefficient.

CCP Applebabe

Posted - 2010.03.31 07:59:00 - [16]
 

Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2010.03.31 10:27:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Melor Rend
The people who recommend noobs to start out with solo pvp really are out of touch with the reality of being new to eve. There is WAY to much you have to learn (by losing heaps pf ships that a noob can hardly replace) when you could just as well join a decent corp to help you. Ofc it's possible.... It's just very inefficient.


Or perhaps trying out pvp as a noob is the best time to try it. That way you dont get infected by the mindset of the carebear; you do not need massive in-game skills to pvp, and relatively cheap ships can beat more expensive ones. Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers are cheap and insurable for little loss. All it takes is practise and persistence, in game friends doing the same things does help, but you will meet and make them along the way.

My advice, as long as you have another option to make money in a bind such as mission ship or mining, go out there and pvp and learn from your mistakes!

Razz

Melor Rend
Posted - 2010.03.31 11:26:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
Or perhaps trying out pvp as a noob is the best time to try it. That way you dont get infected by the mindset of the carebear; you do not need massive in-game skills to pvp, and relatively cheap ships can beat more expensive ones. Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers are cheap and insurable for little loss. All it takes is practise and persistence, in game friends doing the same things does help, but you will meet and make them along the way.


The difference is that a player with a steady income can lose 5000 rifters and not care. The noob loses 5 and then is forced to mine again for 3h to finance the next 5 rifters. That's why it's idiotic to tell people to go solo when they don't know the game well enough to have a financial backbone (other then 2mil ISK per hour mining).

And it's also not true that a noobie in a rifter has ANY chance what so ever in real PVP. If you're a pro and really know the game well then yes, you can get kills in rifters. But not as a noob. You're only PVP viable as a noob in a group (which doesn't have to mean 5000 man blobs - it could also be 5 people for example).

I just think you guys have all totally forgotten just how much real life skills you need to be an effective EVE player... if you're trying to learn the basics, earn ISK and learn to solo PVP at the same time then that's just gonna end up being frustrating and basically a waste of time. Especially because there are enough noob friendly corps that will actually try and teach you the skills you need to become an effective player.

Just saying "go pvp from day one so you don't become a carebear" is the most dumb thing I've heard in a long time. What happens is: the noobs gets ganked over and over and either thinks "**** this" and quits eve or they move back to empire and are terrified of lowsec/0.0 for the next 5 years while they grind missions in Motsu. However if the noob joins a good PVP corp that helps him to earn a bit of ISK and shows him the ropes then he might actually find out how much fun EVE can be. And once you have your bearings nothing is stopping you from doing solo PVP as much as you like.

But recommending EVE noobs to start with solo PVP is simply a bad idea. The only ones that will profit are the gankbears that camp 0.4 gates and shoot every ibis that comes by "for the lulz".

So the people recommending you to start out with solo PVP are either said gankbears hoping for easy kills by baiting you into lowsec or (much more likely) totally forgot how it was to be an EVE noob.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.03.31 11:44:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 31/03/2010 11:44:19
Originally by: Melor Rend
What happens is: the noobs gets ganked over and over and either thinks "**** this" and quits eve


We once lost two Rifters, T2 fit and all that jazz, to a 3-day noob in a destroyer once. Granted, he had a RL friend explain how things work for him, but yeah.

A noob has one thing going for him; older players will often go for a in reality unfavourable matchup because they automatically assume the target is a noob. As for actual PVP skills, well, a few hours of research and you'll come up with a good fit for the ship you intend to fly, and you've already went a long way there.

Then it's learning the basic mechanics, which also doesn't take long at all if you bother to RTFM and try it out a bit (scanner use, basic facts about turret tracking, transversal, range and falloff) and knowing roughly what different ships do and you're all set to go and try.

The worst thing for a noob is to stick him in a 10 man gang with other noobs. Even when he gets some kills he won't learn much from it. The only thing he could really use from a corp really is someone who knows his stuff (which is rare in the type of corps which will take on newbies in the first place) to explain him the stuff I outlined before.

Shaitis
Caldari
Fallen Angel's
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.03.31 11:53:00 - [20]
 

There is no option for Caldari Solo PVP if UR not planning to spend much more iskies for a ship.
But you can start like everybody with PVP rifter. Its cheap, solid and do the job.

Never take any ship that you cant afford to loose to PVP.

Because its almost certain that you will die during first 5...10...50 fights.PVP is nothing similar to PVE.

Caldari got plenty of PVP options but very narrow in terms of Solo. If you prefer solo think minmatar or go recon ships especially CURSE

Lashnar
Caldari
LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
Posted - 2010.03.31 11:54:00 - [21]
 

So... Should I just look for a good PVP corp?

And what about Factional Warfare? Has that been completely abandoned?

Shaitis
Caldari
Fallen Angel's
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.03.31 11:59:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Lashnar
So... Should I just look for a good PVP corp?

And what about Factional Warfare? Has that been completely abandoned?


good PVP corp is not the one that adversises itself as pvp corp only the one who others recommend. Or the one that is hated.

I suggest to take a look @ crime forum and try to talk with one of the "hated" guys there, if you will be lucky he will take your hand and lead your way.

nautix
Posted - 2010.03.31 12:25:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Lashnar
So, for Solo PVP I'm thinking either interceptor, interdictor, or heavy interdictor, and maybe a cruiser. I am Caldari and I plan to be working with Missiles. But out of those ship classes, (Oh yeah, Battlecruisers too.)which would be better for Solo-PVP. Now all my fits for these are around 20 million ISK.

Which brings another problem. Income.

Mining is my stable income. But 2 million ISK an hour is pretty bad. Yes I have a destroyer, yes I have GSC's planted near the asteroids I have trained for (Rich plagioclase)but even so, losing a twenty million ISK ship in five minutes and then needed ten hours to replace it is kinda bad.

In short. I would like to know which ship class I have listed is best for Solo PVP, and how mining can be a stable source of income, with more money involved.


Honestly unless you are training for a hulk your best bet would be to do missions for isk, it trains the skills you need for PvP as well as is way more profitable then the mining you do now. I don't fly caldari ships really so can't help you much there though, but the isk advice is not a bad one ;)

Lashnar
Caldari
LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
Posted - 2010.03.31 14:43:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Shaitis
Originally by: Lashnar
So... Should I just look for a good PVP corp?

And what about Factional Warfare? Has that been completely abandoned?


good PVP corp is not the one that adversises itself as pvp corp only the one who others recommend. Or the one that is hated.

I suggest to take a look @ crime forum and try to talk with one of the "hated" guys there, if you will be lucky he will take your hand and lead your way.


I'll take a look around. But is factional warfare really that unrecommended?

Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.03.31 14:54:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Seriously Bored on 31/03/2010 14:55:55
Originally by: Lashnar

I'll take a look around. But is factional warfare really that unrecommended?


I don't think FW is a bad idea for you actually. Just be up front that you're learning the ropes and looking for a good FW/PVP corp to join.

You'll learn a lot, and you'll usually be able to get into a gang, which seems to be what most people are recommending. Just be ready to stick up for yourself once people start slinging the word n00b around...

ED:

Faction Warfare DOES NOT, however, offer a whole lot of chances for solo PVP in my experience. Backup is as simple as a line in militia chat and only ever a jump or two away.

Alenora Tizar
Posted - 2010.03.31 19:31:00 - [26]
 

join amarr faction warfare militia! Unless you are in a gang back up is slow in even replying so you can tottaly get it loads of solo pew pew!YARRRR!!

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.03.31 22:49:00 - [27]
 

Ok, Caldari have a bit of a problem with PvP. As a long term Caldari specialist, I have to tell you - they're great in gangs, but really not so hot solo.

You can do it, but a) there's specific ships that work, and most don't.
And b) other races can do it better.

Having said that, I would recommend - if you're on a budget - that you consider the Merlin or Moa.

T2 hulls are expensive, and actually - the Caldari inties are ok interceptors, but not so hot solo. The same's true of the interdictor and heavy interdictor - the Onyx is outclassed by the Drake as a soloing ship - in pretty much every way.

And as it looks like you're learning, you want to be flying something that you can afford to lose 10 of, in short order. (seriously).

So here's what I'd suggest. I quote T2 fits, because I have high fitting skills - these will work fine with T1/meta, but obviously won't be quite as good.

[Merlin, AB/RIgged]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I



[Moa, Bloa+Electron/HAM]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x3


Both are relatively cheap, especially if you go T1 fittings (check around though - meta 1 or 2 is often cheaper) and capable of being dangerous enough that you do actually have a chance to kill things.
Insure up, and don't be too shy about figuring out what your limits are - you'd be suprised what you can actually kill if you actually go for it.


Slimy Worm
The Skunkworks
Posted - 2010.03.31 23:14:00 - [28]
 

Start pvp in cheap ships. Fly t1-fit frigs around lowsec, don't pod and don't let your sec status get below -2.0 since this will make mining harder. The Rifter is a popular solo ship and shouldn't take more than a week to fit. The best Caldari solo ships are the Kestrel (flown with standard missiles and speed tanked). The Merlin flown by a lot of people but it's a dual weapon ship (which means that half of its weapons get half of its bonuses and the other half of its weapons gets the other half of its bonuses, instead of all of its weapons getting all of its bonuses) and it takes almost as many skills to fly as the Rifter but is worse than it in almost every area.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.04.01 00:01:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Slimy Worm
Start pvp in cheap ships. Fly t1-fit frigs around lowsec, don't pod and don't let your sec status get below -2.0 since this will make mining harder. The Rifter is a popular solo ship and shouldn't take more than a week to fit. The best Caldari solo ships are the Kestrel (flown with standard missiles and speed tanked). The Merlin flown by a lot of people but it's a dual weapon ship (which means that half of its weapons get half of its bonuses and the other half of its weapons gets the other half of its bonuses, instead of all of its weapons getting all of its bonuses) and it takes almost as many skills to fly as the Rifter but is worse than it in almost every area.


Split weapon only makes a difference to a ship performance when you start talking about damage mods - a damage mod applying to 4 weapons is considerably more useful than one applying to 2 out of 4.
On a frigate, this is largely irrelevant.

drake duka
Minmatar
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.04.01 04:52:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: drake duka on 01/04/2010 04:52:33
Solo PvP is pretty difficult for a new player, even more so with caldari. In order to do well in solo pvp you will need a decent amount of experience as well as isk income, you should really think about joining a PvP corp (there are many willing to teach new players), make sure they do small gangs so you can really learn to pvp.

I would recommend finding a corp in 0.0, this way you will make MUCH more money and 0.0 is a lot more fun and rewarding than empire pvp as it involves individual skill rather than ganking people on gates and stations. Just save up for a drake and start farming rats in 0.0, you will make your isk in no time :).

The merlin is a decent frig however the caracal is really terrible in my experience compared to minnie/gallente cruisers. The drake is an excellent PvP ship, the moa and ferox are mediocre but you plan to use missiles anyway.


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