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Half Cocked
Posted - 2010.04.29 15:54:00 - [31]
 

I have a 20 Million SP Main, Industry, Research, Miner, Missioner. I have fun I make and spend about 2Bil a year or more. I have a 1 Million SP PvP Pilot, Hes flying Frigs and Destroyers with all cheap Tech 1 gear and having a blast.

SP means nothing in this game but a means to unlock Ship/Mods etc. Its what you do with the skills you have that makes the difference.

Party Scout
Posted - 2010.04.30 23:24:00 - [32]
 

Crystal, you do not need to defend yourself. There is no wrong or right way to play EVE. It's your character, play how you want to play, and ignore the children out there that want to force people to play their way or they'll throw a tantrum.

And you did not screw up your training. Regular heavy missiles are a pretty solid weapon.

Crystal Sevar
Posted - 2010.05.01 19:20:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Crystal Sevar on 01/05/2010 19:21:30
Ahh, is this still going :( What I thought to be a simple question in the beginning ends up turning in to this.

I came for more advice, thinking I'd start a new thread.. and then see this on the front page.. Guess I'll just not ask anything again then, thanks guys, EvE just ain't what it was in 2005 anymore..

Trogglodite
Posted - 2010.05.02 07:26:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Trogglodite on 02/05/2010 07:27:46
Originally by: Party Scout
Crystal, you do not need to defend yourself. There is no wrong or right way to play EVE. It's your character, play how you want to play, and ignore the children out there that want to force people to play their way or they'll throw a tantrum.

And you did not screw up your training. Regular heavy missiles are a pretty solid weapon.


Crystal, listen to this guy. Don't sweat the idiots derailing your thread. You've got to where you are as a result of your circumstances; your question has been answered so just walk away with it and ignore the rest.

Play the game regularly for a few weeks at least, get a pattern going so you get a better feel for it and enjoy flying your drake.

Getting in the right corp will give you access to advice that you won't get flamed for seeking and possibly access to playing styles that might suit your taste. Mail me in game and I can point you in a few directions.

And no, you're right. The game isn't what it was in 2005.Wink

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.03 05:08:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Party Scout
Crystal, you do not need to defend yourself. There is no wrong or right way to play EVE. It's your character, play how you want to play, and ignore the children out there that want to force people to play their way or they'll throw a tantrum.

You're not helping him. Yes, sitting in station for 8 months, training at 1736 sp/h is NOT a good thing: he should have worked on his learning skills first. Just telling a person "Everything is just fine!" is not a kind act per se; nor is telling a person he messed up some unkind per se. It's called "Tough Love." And it's not even all that tough, really. He came to ask what he might have done wrong. I, for one, told him. In very mild terms, actually; so I don't even get what the OP is all upset about. In general, if a person is really just looking for a pat on the back, without being genuinely interested to hear what one might have done wrong, then it's probably best not to pose the question to begin with.

It's like posting a ship fit and asking for advice. That usually implies people will 'critique' your loadout; and, for the very large part, simply because they want to help you. If he can't take that kind of mild feedback, progress, indeed, will be very slow.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.03 17:27:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Drykor on 03/05/2010 17:26:44
Originally by: Crystal Sevar
Edited by: Crystal Sevar on 01/05/2010 19:21:30
Ahh, is this still going :( What I thought to be a simple question in the beginning ends up turning in to this.

I came for more advice, thinking I'd start a new thread.. and then see this on the front page.. Guess I'll just not ask anything again then, thanks guys, EvE just ain't what it was in 2005 anymore..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Crystal Sevar
Posted - 2010.05.03 21:04:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Crystal Sevar on 03/05/2010 21:04:40
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Party Scout
Crystal, you do not need to defend yourself. There is no wrong or right way to play EVE. It's your character, play how you want to play, and ignore the children out there that want to force people to play their way or they'll throw a tantrum.

You're not helping him. Yes, sitting in station for 8 months, training at 1736 sp/h is NOT a good thing: he should have worked on his learning skills first. Just telling a person "Everything is just fine!" is not a kind act per se; nor is telling a person he messed up some unkind per se. It's called "Tough Love." And it's not even all that tough, really. He came to ask what he might have done wrong. I, for one, told him. In very mild terms, actually; so I don't even get what the OP is all upset about. In general, if a person is really just looking for a pat on the back, without being genuinely interested to hear what one might have done wrong, then it's probably best not to pose the question to begin with.

It's like posting a ship fit and asking for advice. That usually implies people will 'critique' your loadout; and, for the very large part, simply because they want to help you. If he can't take that kind of mild feedback, progress, indeed, will be very slow.


I didn't mean you, I meant all the other crap that went on and on when the original question was "Heavy Missile + Drake = [ ] Yes [ ] No"

And there is a reason for the low SP/H. In September I left to S. Korea for 3 months and before leaving I made a skill queue with 23h of low skills and BC V behind it and left it there. I logged in a month later when I got EvE working there to find that I never pressed apply and it had been doing jack all. And after that I couldn't get on until december when I got back home. This combined with the fact that I had put all my points into perception/willpower back when I made this char. So I had really bad mem/int even with basic 5s, adv 4s and +4 set. I've now changed to the more usual 12/12/5/5/5 I believe it is.

Oh, and is that youtube vid. for real? I thought it was some joke someone made but it says.. CCP.. :o

Ruhige Schmerz
New Eden Scientific Association
Posted - 2010.05.03 22:34:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: David88x77

Heavy Missiles are preferred for pvp on the Caracal and Cerb though because of range bonus on missiles which makes their range pretty good for a cruiser.


Bah nonsense. That range bonus on the cerb makes HAMs a great option when they otherwise wouldn't be; it doesn't apply just to HMLs you know. ;)

nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.05.06 19:30:00 - [39]
 

This is the best thing to do when you take a break from the game. Don't cancel your account. Train long skills. I did this for about 6 months. Nothing more frustrating than wanting to fly a ship and having to wait 30+ days just to undock in it. I think a lot of people will agree that having a large choice of ships to fly makes the game WAY more fun. Having 1 or 2 options kinda sucks.

Currently, via my AFK skill training, I can fly 4 or 5 different ships well, including support skills. This keeps the game interesting for me, and also allows me to take a more preferred ship to an op rather than the same ship to every op.

So glad I AFKed Cal BS V, Cal Cruiser V, and Large Railgun V. *Shudder* I hate 30 day skill trains. lol

Party Scout
Posted - 2010.05.07 00:03:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Party Scout
Crystal, you do not need to defend yourself. There is no wrong or right way to play EVE. It's your character, play how you want to play, and ignore the children out there that want to force people to play their way or they'll throw a tantrum.

You're not helping him. Yes, sitting in station for 8 months, training at 1736 sp/h is NOT a good thing: he should have worked on his learning skills first. Just telling a person "Everything is just fine!" is not a kind act per se; nor is telling a person he messed up some unkind per se. It's called "Tough Love." And it's not even all that tough, really. He came to ask what he might have done wrong. I, for one, told him. In very mild terms, actually; so I don't even get what the OP is all upset about. In general, if a person is really just looking for a pat on the back, without being genuinely interested to hear what one might have done wrong, then it's probably best not to pose the question to begin with.

It's like posting a ship fit and asking for advice. That usually implies people will 'critique' your loadout; and, for the very large part, simply because they want to help you. If he can't take that kind of mild feedback, progress, indeed, will be very slow.


OP asked about training heavy missiles to 5, no one has a problem with that, all agree that it's a good skill.

OP did not ask feedback about his style of playing. Sitting on a station, or whatever. That is up to each player. Giving your opinion is fine. Telling the OP his playstyle is wrong, is not.

I stand with that I said. There is no WRONG way to play the game. If he wants to sit in a station 23/7 and do nothing but train, and that makes him happy, then let him/her do it. It may not be fun for you, but it does not make it wrong. Is it ineffective? Maybe. But OP may not be looking to make the game more effective. Focusing on full learning skills is ok for some (me included), but not ok for all. Some people will find it boring and leave.

If OP is happy, let him be (that's what we are here for). Even if he's not "optimal" or does everything the way you think he should.

J Shaft
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.07 09:13:00 - [41]
 

If only thing OP wanted is to get an answer to a question about Heavies and Drake, then that is all what he should have wrote in the first place...

If you write a semi-long post with bunch of stuff in it, you can not expect to get only answer/critique/flame to the part you want...

Quite the opposite most likely you will get responses to all but the thing you wanted the most :)

So, if you write bunch of stuff, be ready to get responses to every part of your post, no matter what your original intentions with the post were...

That is the way forums have worked, are working, and will work, deal with it...

And just as to not get me wrong, i am not trying to "attack" or discredit anyone here, i am just stating the obvious, which i do not see how some fail to grasp without someone else explaining it to them...

Ralagina
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.05.07 13:10:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Crystal Sevar
So, I logged in today after 15+ days of training my heavy missiles skill to V.. I was about to inject my Heavy Assault Missile Specialization skill when I realized it.. Heavy Missile, Heavy ASSAULT Missile.. Umm.. Which one did the drake use again? I've been parked in a station for like 8 months now, going from 4m to 14m SP and I'm on the finishing line with ~30d left, but if I made this blunder and I was supposed to train HAM instead of just heavy... Argh.

I can't for the life of me find ANY information on drakes. From occasionally reading these forums and eveclinic I've deducted that people don't like drakes and say "search!!!!!" whenever something about them is said. That's all nice and dandy, except every single thread I searched was a thread that said to search, with scrambled information about PvP and 10 people going "My build is better than your build" and no consensus.. What I really want to know right now though: Is Heavy Missiles V a useless skill? Do I now then restart the 15+ day process with HAM V?


meh don't worry too much, I left an alt training what I thought was Heavy Drone Operation 5 for a month without him being on evemon and me bothering to log him to... turns out I'd clicked on Gallente Drone Specialisation 5.

Rolling Eyes

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.07 14:32:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Party Scout
OP did not ask feedback about his style of playing. Sitting on a station, or whatever. That is up to each player. Giving your opinion is fine. Telling the OP his playstyle is wrong, is not.

I stand with that I said. There is no WRONG way to play the game.

If by "no WRONG way" you mean everyone can play however he or she wants, then yes, there's no wrong way. However, objectively, training at 1736 sp/h for the last 8 months is definitely the wrong way, game-advancement wise, as it can be easily demonstrated how one quickly falls behind, without learning skills, when one just goes training something else. These are simple, indisputable facts.

On the whole, I still don't get why people (in general) are so opposed to being told they do something wrong, especially when they're new at something. Personally, I highly appreciated it when, after my first 2 days of utter noobdom, folks told me I needed to do learning skills first. In fact, I probably would have been rather upset if they only told me 8 month later, because they didn't want to upset my delicate feelings at the time. Now I only lost two days. This is why noobs are forcibly subscribed to the newbie channel: it's for their own benefit.

I've actually sat on help-channel, recently, were I (and others) basically refused to tell a noob how to remap for Battleships. Her char was just a few days old, and she wanted to fly a battleship NOW, at all cost. I told her remapping for Perception and Willpower (I didn't mention those, of course, *g*) at that stage would be silly, as she had no learning or support skills whatsoever, and that such a remap would essentially destroy her first year of EVE (or at least her first remap). She go mad, screaming what kind of f-ed up help channel we were, etc. Well, too bad. When I try and help people, I tell them what I think they need to know, not what I think they want to hear.

Then there are those who simply say "There is no WRONG way to play the game." I still don't see how that's helping anyone. So, I stand by what I said, too.

Party Scout
Posted - 2010.05.07 15:29:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
lots of good stuff


Meh, sorry. I probably over-reacted a bit. I just think people will enjoy the game better if they learn it themselves, and make a few mistakes, instead of always following what other people tell them to do simply because it is "better" that way.

I always listen to advice, read a lot on the forums, on what's better, what is not, but I still try what I want to try, and make my own mistakes. Not everyone plays the same, not everyone enjoys the same things, so what works for other people, may not work for me.

So I like letting people play, offer some advice, but never call them names, or belittle them if they are doing something "wrong". Just offer some advice, start some discussion.

Anyway, I'm being overtly sensitive as well, so sorry about that.

Horatio Green
Posted - 2010.05.08 14:18:00 - [45]
 

Nope you didn't screw up. A screw up would be training up to medium hybrid weapons IV when your Amarr and have no use for them.

I will say that having low SP in 0.0 where your just an a jammer is fun, but your surrounded by tech II guys in their kickarse rides and you do get flustered that training takes so long.

Crystal Sevar
Posted - 2010.05.09 12:24:00 - [46]
 

And it lives on, who knows how long o.O

While this threads been going, I've actually already finished my skill training queue for mission running in drake. Found out, though, that the level 3 and 4 agents tell me to "GTFO" when I try to talk to them, so training some Social skills now and doing some missions while also testing fastest way to salvage.. Tried a kestrel with MWD going 2,2k M/S, but the 4 high slots and actually going so fast that the tractor beamed wrecks were left behind and dropped, kinda made it hard. Moa with MWD worked nicely, but I can't get it cap stable so I just click MWD on and off to get bursts. Trying cormorant next, but can't get it stable either, just 1 low slot.

This is now my random ramblings thread, I thinks. And Ranka, I think you skipped the post where I explained how I lost months of training time, so it's not just 1,7k SP/Hr. Yeh.

Wyvern Eden
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.05.10 17:28:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Crystal Sevar
And it lives on, who knows how long o.O

Tried a kestrel with MWD going 2,2k M/S, but the 4 high slots and actually going so fast that the tractor beamed wrecks were left behind and dropped, kinda made it hard. Moa with MWD worked nicely, but I can't get it cap stable so I just click MWD on and off to get bursts. Trying cormorant next, but can't get it stable either, just 1 low slot.



I've got my cormorant cap stable actually. Running the MWD + 4 salvagers + 4 tractor beams! The key is to use small CCC rigs. They are VERY cheap, yet very effective.

My setup:

High: Salvager/TB mix (4/4)
Mid: 1x MWD 3x Cap Recharger T2
Low: 1x Capacitor Power Relay
Rigs: 3x small CCC

Lightning fast for salvaging, very fast and agile ship too, and very cheap!


Wyvern


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