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devilboy helper
Posted - 2010.03.26 21:12:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: devilboy helper on 29/03/2010 04:44:00
This problem is one that has been talked about between a few players that have all had this kind of problem where you get invited into a corp and spend alot of your time and hard earned isk into a system putting up powers, bringing out ship, blueprints, mining up ore, parts, products like you should be able to do then once you have everything out there and they no long have a use for your help turn on you removing all your roles and kicking you out of the corp without giving your all your items, product you have gathered up or created, and reimbursing you for all the isk you spent getting everything out there and set up making you look almost all the isk and valuables that you have without any kind of repercussions because they just stripped you powerless because your only an industry person. This problem doesn't happen as badly in high/low sec because of stations, but if your out in 0.0 where you live out of a POS this can happen without any warning or way to fight back.

We need to have this changed, there is a system in place that record who owned and purchased for yourself or gathered up for your own profit the same aw everyone else does in the corp. I and and a many others in this game see and know this backstabbing needs to stop. The game needs to be setup to kick someone out of corp you have to give them a warning period where they have access to all of there stuff and have ample time to get it out and to high or low sec. Also anything that cant possible be taken back to high or low sec need to be purchased in full by the corp for the far market value for seeded and non seeded items. This can include the POS setup, your cut of the close of the TCU, HUB and upgrades for the fare fraction that you had invested into the system. This would exude rent that was payed because of the nature of it. For example if there was a total cost of 1billion for the TCU, HUB and upgrade that where invested into the system and you where one of the 5 that payed for all the components the corp should be forced to pay you back the 200million isk you invested into those items. If you have gathered up a large amount of ore for example about 3 billion isk worth of ore that hasn't been processed yet they should be held responsible to pay you for it or move it to a high or low sec station and contract it over to you within 1 week of the start of the kicking process so long as it can be safely done because we all know they would bowl up the ship carrying the items just to say oops sorry it was lose and we aren't responsible for it because we tried to move it for you. Trying to simply dump the item into space to have the just dispear should still be held accountable for the value of the items and if they rescued permanent actions must be taken in my oppinion to make this game fare.

As requested here it is simple

Anyone that is against this kind of a reformat or addition into the game probably pulls this tactic on a regular bases.

1. Make it so anything you have purchased for yourself before or during must be returned to you when they decide to kick you from the corp or pay the full amount that it would cost to get the item/ships/blueprints/etc again off the market

2. If something was picked up for someone with would fall outside because you would be getting the same amount or a little more put back into your wallet for that item.

3. Anything that you have gathered up while in the corp aren't allow to take out with you must be paid in full or safely delivered to a station where you can process or sell it off.

4. Any kind of money that is put into the system as a loan to get it up and running must be paid back unless you leave on your own by your own will. This would only apply if you where kicked.

5. Any items that you have taken into the system or ship must be delivered to a station safely or give you time to move it all out safely or just pay for the items thin includes ships of any size and the POS.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2010.03.26 21:18:00 - [2]
 

GB2WOW, and i'm completly cerial as eve is dark.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.03.26 21:20:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Trimutius III on 26/03/2010 21:21:25
Nice idea...
Signed.
GIving something to corp as a loan would be perfect... Because trust isn't something that really works all the time...

Krist Valentine
Amarr
funmachine
Posted - 2010.03.27 22:25:00 - [4]
 

reformat this please its horrible

oh and no thanks

devilboy helper
Posted - 2010.03.29 04:41:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: devilboy helper on 29/03/2010 04:48:51
Edited by: devilboy helper on 29/03/2010 04:44:13

Broke down the statement as requested. Isn't complete but you get the just of it and the injustice of what has been going on.

munkyhunter
Posted - 2010.03.29 05:02:00 - [6]
 

I see what you are saying, and betrayal is always a hard one to take but, the way it is you need to stay useful to stay in the corp, which seems fair.

If you get pulled into a corp and pour all of your time and resources into it when you don't know if you can trust them then you can't complain if you get screwed.

If you have a problem then don't ask for a forced reformat. I thought EVE Online was, 'what you made it', so if you don't like it, make your own corp/alliance with your instilled values instead of trying to get a system to protect people with little forsight.

devilboy helper
Posted - 2010.03.29 05:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: munkyhunter
I see what you are saying, and betrayal is always a hard one to take but, the way it is you need to stay useful to stay in the corp, which seems fair.

If you get pulled into a corp and pour all of your time and resources into it when you don't know if you can trust them then you can't complain if you get screwed.

If you have a problem then don't ask for a forced reformat. I thought EVE Online was, 'what you made it', so if you don't like it, make your own corp/alliance with your instilled values instead of trying to get a system to protect people with little forsight.


When you stay useful to the corp it is just when one of the bigger people start bringing in there little friends and they whine and complain that they don't have a place to work, they will always bend more to the will of the bigger people that have alot more accounts and time to play than someone that really works for a living. Trust is something that can be earned but also something that came be faked. You can think your trusting someone but when they are really using you. This is designed to prevent from people from using you and keeping the game fare. You don't think the game should be fare? It also just so happens when they look and see right when you about to go make you big pay day to kick you out taking all your hard earned materials so they can take it and sell it from themselves and just laugh at you? is that fare? Besides it only take 1 person to start the corruption and to start and manipulating the situation to there benefit or liking. also for "this game is what you make of it", this is one of the ways that you can get that to happen. If it isn't then why does the forms exist?

devilboy helper
Posted - 2010.05.11 01:28:00 - [8]
 

I am open for constructive ideas or good explanations of why this isn't the correct thing to do?

Misanthra
Posted - 2010.05.11 02:56:00 - [9]
 

Welcome to eve....?


Corp theft and stuff like this a tradition as old as the game itself.

Pick your corps better all I can tell you. Also know your leadership and corpmates. If ceo/directors like to emo-rage kick alot....bringing out your BS bpo not the smartest move. Loss of ore....have to be honest and say not shedding a tear. Being a die hard carebear in a null sec corp while pvp'ers run cta ops, roams, etc....its probably a contributing factor to your pink slip.

Also if individuals are buying sov stuff....its a sign. sign says ditch your fail corp. Ratting tax, moon mining, refine tax at refine stations,etc all should pay for this. If corp is asking for donations for small stuff like this, run away...

FISHANDCHIPS
Posted - 2010.05.11 03:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: devilboy helper
I am open for constructive ideas or good explanations of why this isn't the correct thing to do?


Because this is eve not a game where they hold your hand every time if you think you might not get your crap back dont give it to them in the first place

Devils Boy
Posted - 2010.05.12 22:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Misanthra
Welcome to eve....?


Corp theft and stuff like this a tradition as old as the game itself.

Pick your corps better all I can tell you. Also know your leadership and corpmates. If ceo/directors like to emo-rage kick alot....bringing out your BS bpo not the smartest move. Loss of ore....have to be honest and say not shedding a tear. Being a die hard carebear in a null sec corp while pvp'ers run cta ops, roams, etc....its probably a contributing factor to your pink slip.

Also if individuals are buying sov stuff....its a sign. sign says ditch your fail corp. Ratting tax, moon mining, refine tax at refine stations,etc all should pay for this. If corp is asking for donations for small stuff like this, run away...


New corp there is no was of being able to get a reading on that until it is all up and good and they decide when your usefulness has run out that they are just going to shaft you is a ****ting mood when there was an agreement that each person was in equal parts of this and that anyone had left would be refunded the isk. There isn't a system in place that when your creating a corp with the guys your playing with all loan the corp money to get started which needs to be put into place. When each person is personally responsible for your own stuff and agreements are in place you are supposed to be nice enough to allow them to move your stuff out in a timely manner. It is when someone else joins in and want to cause drama for you because they want there friends to come in is BS. So your statement is null and void. I understand your agreement and your joint of view but when your new and fresh that is what you have to do. This needs to be changed so people will always get here stuff back. You would be dum to bring all you BPO's into a corp that you personal don't control.

devilboy helper
Posted - 2010.05.12 23:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: FISHANDCHIPS
Originally by: devilboy helper
I am open for constructive ideas or good explanations of why this isn't the correct thing to do?


Because this is eve not a game where they hold your hand every time if you think you might not get your crap back dont give it to them in the first place


You aren't giving it to them if it under your personal protection aka personal pos that you are required to maintain or rent out space from someone else. Again people please constructive ideas not just stop wanting to have your had held. If people wanted there hands held they would want it setup so you never lose a ship and that isn't how the game works. Your personal property is your personal property if it is in the corp that means it is a loan not given to them. As i loan you have to always pay it back.

Komi Toran
Posted - 2010.05.12 23:30:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Komi Toran on 12/05/2010 23:34:58
Originally by: devilboy helper
Anyone that is against this kind of a reformat or addition into the game probably pulls this tactic on a regular bases.

Yes, as someone who has been in the same corp, uninterrupted, for almost two years, a director for most of that time, and having taken personal responsibility for the evacuation and return of assets of ex-corp members, some of whom were actually kicked, my disapproval of this system obviously means I'm a scammer.

Originally by: devilboy helper
1. Make it so anything you have purchased for yourself before or during must be returned to you when they decide to kick you from the corp or pay the full amount that it would cost to get the item/ships/blueprints/etc again off the market

How do you intend for this to be implemented? Are we going to make every unit of veldspar its own unique item, tagged to its owner? Oh yes, that will do wonders for the database load. Anyone opening a corp hangar will just love you while their system hangs for the next fifteen minutes.

Originally by: devilboy helper
2. If something was picked up for someone with would fall outside because you would be getting the same amount or a little more put back into your wallet for that item.

And just what is the value of those items? How do we determine that?

Originally by: devilboy helper
I want a flying unicorn that craps skittles

The fact is, you chose to join the corp and you chose to give it that stuff. Being in a corp is not a one-off deal: it involves forming relationships. During that time, you should have been able to suss out whether it was worthy of the degree of trust you placed in it.

While corp security is something the needs to be addressed, your proposal is ill conceived and unreasonable, as it seeks to remove all risk.

Edit: Actually, it doesn't seek to remove all risk: it seeks to put all the risk on the shoulders of the corporation. Heaven forbid they would ever accept some complete jerk that starts shooting them, and then be concerned about kicking him because they have to go through the headache of returning his junk or purchasing a bunch of stuff they don't want and have no use for.

Koyama Ise
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.13 02:06:00 - [14]
 

Well the purpose of a corp hanger is for corp assets. The ship maintenance array is an extension of the corp hanger but it is for ships instead.

When you place something in there it becomes property of the corp mechanics wise. There is nothing differentiating my assets from yours. This is mainly because one of the currencies of EVE is trust.

Also the items value is not able to be valued properly by CCP. The open nature of the market allows for varying prices that can change dramatically. A Raven in Jita probably has a different price to a Raven in CZDJ-1.

And finally, your formatting is still horrible. You need more and shorter sentences. And argue "English is my second language" and all that but when it comes to the thread, it was hard too read and that's all that matters.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.05.13 03:31:00 - [15]
 

corp industry/science mechanics in EVE were designed by morons.

Seriously


 

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