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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:13:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12

Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.

Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.

How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.

Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.

Now, can something be done?

Jimmae
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:16:00 - [2]
 

... don't forgot to tune in next Wednesday for another one of our well know features: "When common sense is mistaken for rocket science."

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Now, I may be missing something...

True that.
Loss in Eve means something because you LOOSE it when the ship explodes.
If you want cheaper explosions without effort, those explosions wont mean that much.. also around you there seem to be some wealthy guys. Try to get some iskies from them if you can't be bothered to earn your own.

If nothing of that helps - Sisi is that way >>

PS: you can be pretty sure that planets won't be rolling in the isk if they can be even more passive then POS - simply as everyone will be doing it.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:26:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Gypsio III on 24/03/2010 09:25:48
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun.


Try an ISK source that isn't the EVE equivalent of flipping burgers.

VanNostrum
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:27:00 - [5]
 

I can afford eve
therefore I'm a rocket scientist

Shatner19
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:29:00 - [6]
 

no eliminating gtc's and plexes would not be a good idea. RMT's used to be a much greater problem, that they tooks a massive load on CCP's servers plus the fact that if they were eliminated RMT's would invade the game again to supply those not willing to figure out how to make money. that means putting subscribers at risk of real-life theft and account suspension. the current plex system helps the developers since RL-money being spent for ingame stuff, goes directly to CCP and that money goes into improving the game further. Why do think that the game has a massive intake of subs since Quantum rise?

Finding enough isk to pay for a months time, really isnt that hard. I came make enough to buy a plex in about 8 hours just missioning, while there are even more profitable ventures out there. mind you, you got 30 more days to make up enough to play for another month. so I think finding 8hrs in 30 days to do some boring-butt missions is time worth spending to play a game of such scope for free (technically).

If it was me, I would want to fly a tech 1 cruiser in a hac gang. being perceived of a low priority target means i actually get on kills. tech 2 ships dont provide such a great advantage over tech 1 ships as you might be lead to believe. You might be paying 20x an amount for a ship with only a 10% boost in performance; when in reality that 10% is only noticeable when your flying solo, and barely anyone does that today. the only tech 2 cruiser hulls that i think are worth that amount of money are recon ships.

Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:40:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Grunanca on 24/03/2010 09:40:33
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 09:24:28

Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.

Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.

How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating GTC's and 30 plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.

Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current struture.

Now, can something be done?


Yeah I hate spending 2-3 hours per month moving stuff between my POS towersSadWill definately have to stop doing it and buy 10 plexes per month instead!

Dude, its incredible easy to make a fortune in EVE, the only thing keeping you from it is your fear of losing stuff. Cowards are poor in EVE, because they dont go out and take their chances in areas were people might shoot at them.

Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.24 09:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: VanNostrum
I can afford eve
therefore I'm a rocket scientist




You are typing words, hence you are a typewriter.

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:16:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: VanNostrum
I can afford eve
therefore I'm a rocket scientist




You are typing words, hence you are a typewriter.


you are stating the obvious, hence you are a captain.

to the op, you don't need to fly expensive ships. battlecruisers > hacs :)

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:22:00 - [10]
 

I think you need to join a large Corp or Alliance that has a T1 ship supply and replacement policy. Train your skills up to battle-cruisers and fly them with T2 fittings - medium T2 fittings and rigs are pretty affordable or go for decent named ones.

Many larger corps/alliances will happily give you ships to fly so long as you follow orders and arn't a dooshbag - it's a small cost to them to produce the ships.

Also, if you're in a 0.0 alliance then nullsec ratting is somewhat sweet in the isk dept.

If you tell me "I want to be solo" then that's the price you pay for being a lone wolf. That's life.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:29:00 - [11]
 

f=MA
(force= mass X acceleration)

there you go you are now a rocket scientist

enjoy eve

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:29:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador

battlecruisers > hacs :)



this

I'm a massive cb but I recently started flying drakes in roams, I bought a stack of them and so far I've lost none.

anyone wanna buy a drake?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:41:00 - [13]
 

Hmm, I don't think the rocket science level 5 skill ever actually made me any isk.

Tasty Bit
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:43:00 - [14]
 

Laters.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:47:00 - [15]
 

If everyone could fly all t2 ships for free all pvp would become pointless and EVE would die.


Venetta
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Now, I may be missing something...
Correct. /thread

meat vapour
Posted - 2010.03.24 10:57:00 - [17]
 

ahhhh, the rocket scientist - the best paid of all the scientists!

Gauss Gun
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:00:00 - [18]
 

im gonna report him as troll

Lexx Khadar
Minmatar
HellForge.
Lucky Starbase Syndicate
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:08:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Lexx Khadar on 24/03/2010 11:18:12

So your complaining about the difference of resources you a single player can field compared to a fleet? Maybe the fleet can afford shiny expensive things because they work together as a corp to afford it. If you get together with people and make isk together you can make far more than working alone.

The fixes you suggest have the chance to either/and destroy the economy as well as stop many people from playing due to not being able to pay with isk. If you need hours and hours to grind isk then your doing it wrong. And I don't think planetary interactions going to make for a free meal either. We have already been told it'll need financial and new skillbooks investment just to get started in it.

The markets working fine as it is. People try to scam you and some people try to manipulate it and corner it. But it does its job all the same. Maybe your just looking at the game wrong. You've made yourself think that your only useful when you bring the most expensive/shiniest ships and fittings to a fight by the sounds of it. Which time and again is wrong. unless you have a experienced fleet members with you and a good ship composition you'll just make yourself a target.

One thing I do agree with is insurance needing changed. I think insurance should be dynamically based on ship prices across all empire regions. If the average price of the ship goes up so does the insurance and vice versa. Letting it fluctuate with the market. Maybe the same for modules if that doesn't create too much database strain. Or to limit that make it take the averages once a week just before a downtime.

Ship loss means something in this game. As the old adage goes. Only fly what you can afford to lose.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:09:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Grunanca

Cowards are poor in EVE, because they dont go out and take their chances in areas were people might shoot at them.


Quoting for truth. Isk is far too easy to come by tbh.

Darth Skorpius
m3 Corp
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
anyone wanna buy a drake?


my alt sitting in empire could use one for some missions if you are sellign them cheap and willing ot transport it to high sec. otherwise, just insurance fraud them while its still profitable to do so

Att Itude
Caldari
Odyssey SEC
Phoenix Virtue
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:27:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
.....much whine and cry from nub who can't think himself out of a corner deleted for brevity and sanity..........


Your stuff, I can haz?


Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:30:00 - [23]
 

If your eve ingame income is less than 250m an hour, simply work an hour or two of overtime at work and spend that extra cash on a gtc, done!


Zofe Stormcaller
B4D W0LF
B4D W01F
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:30:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
f=MA
(force= mass X acceleration)

there you go you are now a rocket scientist

enjoy eve


A body in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an opposing force, unless you turn turn off your engines in EvE...

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:32:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 24/03/2010 11:32:41
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 24/03/2010 11:32:17
HACs too expensive for you?

Solution:
(a) Find something which makes more ISK.
OR
(b) Do not fly HACs.

Problem solved.

Now, I want cheaper HACs because I like killing HACs, but eh, asking CCP to make changes to something just because you can't afford it is silly, particualrly when you consider how easy it is to make ISK.




Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Then, make invention something that works.



/pets billions

Yeah... invention doesn't work does it? Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac

Now, can something be done?



Not really, no. you need ot help yourself as opposed to asking for EVE to be made easier for you.

Selakk
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:35:00 - [27]
 

Well I dont think EVE is too expensive for someone who has a job.
I can understand it might be for students.
Going to a bar in the evening having a couple of drinks sure is far more expensive. So I have my drinks at home, roaming the universe.....

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:38:00 - [28]
 

A few (fun) ways to make ISK in my experience:

Sleepers

Booster Smuggling

Ransoming

Merc Work

ect ect ect

Baron Agamemnon
Caldari
The Einherji
Supernova Federation
Posted - 2010.03.24 12:06:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/03/2010 11:11:12

Now, I may be missing something. But, I don't have hours upon hours to spend online grinding isk just so I can accumulate enough to have fun. Anyone that says they are having fun grinding isk; whatever manner that may be is either a carebear or lying to themselves. I have a real life and that doesn't include spending my cash for a plex that buys me a few hacs or w/e. RMT? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I really don't find it feasable to bring a t1 cruiser when everyone else is flying hacs, etc. I don't care how good a pilot you are. Even Garmon's alts in ruppys will get pwned by a decent fleet within seconds.

Hopefully, that new planet stuff ccp is working on will be of some help and not require many hrs./isk invested on it to get some up and running factories. Rather, try to be of some help. Until all the morons price themselves out of the market.

How to fix the problems? Not sure. But, wouldn't eliminating ISK<-->GTC's and 30 day plex's be a good start. Then, make invention something that works. Require less moon goo materials to build t2 ships. How bout some insurance for t2 ships. Any or all those suggestions will drastically fix many problems eve has.

Seen many frustrated friends leave due to the current structure.

Now, can something be done?


Since I am a rocket scientist (no joke) I guess I am not the one to comment. Very Happy

But, EVE is not an instant gratification game.

You just need to intelligently manage your resources in game, and also get rid of the notion that grinding isk like any other MMO is how to best make you rich. This strategy is just not that relevant to EVE unless you for some reason want to be alone and like spending hours upon hours grinding. With minimum team effort you can make a lot more isk then you can alone.

How about getting your fustrated friends to actually band togheter and work towards a common goal? EVE rewards the ones with some creativity and some boldness, and really punishes thoose who think the game will just provide for you just like that.

And why fly HACs if you think it costs too much? Fly BCs.

I am sorry, but all I see here is whining from a guy who is lazy Wink

The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.03.24 12:53:00 - [30]
 

Um rocket science isn't actually that complicated.

I think this needs to be updated from a pre-war model to the 21st century;

Try nanotechnologist or sub-quantum physicist.


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