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Atreus Tac
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.19 02:45:00 - [31]
 

what is it with people responding to idiots.

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"

Minmatar Assassin
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2010.03.19 04:21:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Red Lust
So I noticed this faction fitted Machariel loss on R&K's kb and noticed its the cheapest faction fitted BS i've ever seen. *snip* Killmail link removed, as per C&P forum rules. Shadow.

It's a shame I had some respect for these guys, and now who knows how much padding they do to make themselves look good. Whats your opinion on stat padding? I'm interested in how other pvp alliances weigh stats and reputation.


Okey...

First Machariel with perfect skills can lock 6 ships. On killmaill i see 11 ships.
Secondly in gang was Blackbird and Machariel didn't had any ECCM module fitted, so i bet he was perma jammed.

Finally gank is gank nothing strange on this killmail. I don't see any ship below capitals which could solo resist that gank. Also don't need to be elite pvp pilot to gank a solo battleship being in fleet with 10 pilots. T1, T2, T3 it doesn't matters.

Anyway respect for this guy who has balls to pvp in this most really cool ship.


Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.03.19 04:52:00 - [33]
 

posting in a thread about a battleship kill

mafish
Minmatar
Dashavatara
Posted - 2010.03.19 05:52:00 - [34]
 

So, i've not played around with admin in killboards, but 99% of corps in eve have the figures wrong, its not just rooks and kings and as such this thread is fail.

Unless ofc you expect someone to spend hours going through every mod in existance and giving it an accurate figure based on the market every few weeks ofc. If so i think you should offer your services, i'm sure they'd be happy to keep it accurate so you dont lose sleep at night.

Red Lust
Posted - 2010.03.19 07:20:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Red Lust on 19/03/2010 07:20:57
Originally by: Atreus Tac
what is it with people responding to idiots.

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"


I like this guy

Originally by: Minmatar Assassin


Anyway respect for this guy who has balls to pvp in this most really cool ship.




Don't know what was going down but not seeing any other kills or losses looks like this guy is a fracking moron for leeroying his BS solo.

Originally by: SurrenderMonkey

And yet, you're still too stupid to figure out that the value of the item in the database is going to be the value of the item everywhere it's referenced in that database. There isn't a special, "OOPS, I LOST A SHIP" lower value and a, "HEY I KILLED A FACTION SHIP SET IT TO 1 TRILLION ISK!!" upper value. It's the same value everywhere. That means that when they kill a faction ship and blow up faction mobs, they're counting those items at the EXACT SAME VALUE as they are when they lose them.

A module marked at its mineral value is, thus, only marked at its mineral value when they blow something up, just the same as it is when they lose it. So, 1 equals 1 and there is no padding - just a butthurt newb.


You don't seem to understand what I am getting at ******.

1 on 1 is not the same as 100 on 100. >.>

This is only an example, not trying to be specific, rooks and kings if their board losses are more accurate than their values they kill 5x what they lose, which is very respectable. Like for example their paladins on their board a not horribly inaccurate in value, but whatever blablah blame the database. What I am trying to get a general opinion on is what pvpers/alliances feel about stats and reputations related to their killboards....

so discuss moar flame less


Taross
Caldari
Laurentson INC
Posted - 2010.03.19 08:21:00 - [36]
 

To give the OP a serious answer to his last question:

I think anyone who spends hours and hours a week trying to make sure his killboard is PERFECTLY ACCURATE needs to either get a life or, barring that, play more EVE instead. Seems like a waste of time to me. Same for obsessing over killboard efficiency. I mean, ANYONE can get a fantastic kill/loss record, by just going after soft targets all the time, and running from anything they could lose. (Not suggesting either R&K or the OP do this.)

For me, killboards are a tool to increase the FUN in this game. A way to remember nice fights. Or something to back up your story to brag about one. Or something to link and then laugh at someone. ("Someone" being myself, on more than one occasion...)

My kills and losses get API-pulled, but I've often posted them before that... Losses because, well, i didn't have anything better to do while without a ship and/or because I wanted a better picture of WTF just happened and KBs are easier to read than raw lossmails. Kills because fleetmates urged me to hurry, or because I wanted to brag about them. Only time I look at OTHER peoples' killboards is when somebody points out something funny, or intrigueing. Or, when they're bragging and I choose to indulge them. Oh, and once or twice as a source of intel.

Killboards are nice, but the obsession some PvPers seem to have with them puzzles me about as much as the obsession some carebears have with their wallet balance.

Taross
Caldari
Laurentson INC
Posted - 2010.03.19 08:28:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Morium Blue
Let's assume that - as you suggest - all the people posting on the thread are indeed homosexual. Why are your feelings about human sexuality tied up in your feelings on relational database coding issues? But as they say, when in Rome... After the next op I shall encourage a proper orgy, grapes and all. We'll have Yukio Mishima on the coffee table, we'll have Douglas' mask on the walls and we'll dance naked in the moonlight to Antony and the Johnsons. I think the first track will be The Cripple and the Starfish. You're welcome to join too and then we can celebrate your kill properly.


I LOVE you, even though you're a self-professed killboard nitpicker! Can I join your alliance, or, barring that, will you marry me? Please?

TL;DR: Well put, sir!


Morium Blue
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2010.03.19 08:29:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Red Lust

so discuss moar flame less



Generally people (other than myself) on the thread are flaming you because you are struggling with the base concepts. If we kill a lot more faction ships and modules than we lose - which you also agree on in your most recent post - then clearly the base values until set sell our stats short and undervalue us. So we are the party hurt by an eve-dev update. At some point in the near(ish) future someone will go through the values for the major stuff and set them (and presumably do so again next time eve-dev update). In the meantime though, because of the successful ratio that you credit us with, we are the ones undersold.

Regarding the fight itself, I have no idea, I've not spoken with the pilot about the actual fight. Possibly it was a silly mistake by him or possibly a brilliant trap by your eleven guys - I am quite willing to entertain both notions. But your post is do with kb data and the authenticity and accuracy of this is dear to my heart - it is on those aspects that I am responding.

You mention people flaming you - it's inevitable, unfortunately, as your post comes across as bitter, implying that people aren't sharing in the joy of the kill with you.

To compensate this, I will take up the task at hand and share in the pleasure with you. A slow waltz to Antony's dulcet tones and you can whisper to me the racy details of your acomplishment. In fact I'll quote my earlier suggestion in full, in response to your earlier suggestion that all the contributors in this thread of homosexual orientation:

Originally by: Red Lust
I expect that since your all gay anyway


Originally by: Morium Blue

Let's assume that - as you suggest - all the people posting on the thread are indeed homosexual. Why are your feelings about human sexuality tied up in your feelings on relational database coding issues? But as they say, when in Rome... After the next op I shall encourage a proper orgy, grapes and all. We'll have Yukio Mishima on the coffee table, we'll have Douglas' mask on the walls and we'll dance naked in the moonlight to Antony and the Johnsons. I think the first track will be The Cripple and the Starfish. You're welcome to join too and then we can celebrate your kill properly.


Morium Blue
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2010.03.19 08:37:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Taross

I LOVE you, even though you're a self-professed killboard nitpicker! Can I join your alliance, or, barring that, will you marry me? Please?

TL;DR: Well put, sir!




If Ms. Aricia says no, you're next (and I'll promise to cherish both our love and our KB efficiency).

There's indeed nothing wrong with killboard nitpicking and in the spirit of that I will indulge even absurd things, which the OP borders on post-explanation. With my killboard-fascist hat on 'Speer' setting, I must say that I would accept a thread flaming the pilot for not posting his loss quickly enough. Although kills are picked up by API check, I prefer a very timely posting once either loot is scooped or pods have warped. Logs show it took an hour or so for this one to be up.

(And yes, I have a hat that contains a dial with settings for various 20th century villains. I hope this won't affect the prospects for our marriage).

Nubbin King
Noob Mercs
Posted - 2010.03.19 11:27:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Morium Blue

Let's assume that - as you suggest - all the people posting on the thread are indeed homosexual. Why are your feelings about human sexuality tied up in your feelings on relational database coding issues? But as they say, when in Rome... After the next op I shall encourage a proper orgy, grapes and all. We'll have Yukio Mishima on the coffee table, we'll have Douglas' mask on the walls and we'll dance naked in the moonlight to Antony and the Johnsons. I think the first track will be The Cripple and the Starfish. You're welcome to join too and then we can celebrate your kill properly.


I'm sorry, where do I go to sign up for this? And really, you should be putting on Weather Girls, Antony and the Johnsons simply won't do.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.03.19 17:37:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Taross
To give the OP a serious answer to his last question:

I think anyone who spends hours and hours a week trying to make sure his killboard is PERFECTLY ACCURATE needs to either get a life or, barring that, play more EVE instead. Seems like a waste of time to me. Same for obsessing over killboard efficiency. I mean, ANYONE can get a fantastic kill/loss record, by just going after soft targets all the time, and running from anything they could lose. (Not suggesting either R&K or the OP do this.)

For me, killboards are a tool to increase the FUN in this game. A way to remember nice fights. Or something to back up your story to brag about one. Or something to link and then laugh at someone. ("Someone" being myself, on more than one occasion...)

My kills and losses get API-pulled, but I've often posted them before that... Losses because, well, i didn't have anything better to do while without a ship and/or because I wanted a better picture of WTF just happened and KBs are easier to read than raw lossmails. Kills because fleetmates urged me to hurry, or because I wanted to brag about them. Only time I look at OTHER peoples' killboards is when somebody points out something funny, or intrigueing. Or, when they're bragging and I choose to indulge them. Oh, and once or twice as a source of intel.

Killboards are nice, but the obsession some PvPers seem to have with them puzzles me about as much as the obsession some carebears have with their wallet balance.



while I simply look at kboards as a tool of the trade, if it wasn't a business imperative, I wouldn't keep mine that updated.

we in noir. strive to keep it updated, so that we can get a grasp of what we have destroyed.


that said, only thing that matters to me is the corpsesRazz


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