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vitaminK
Posted - 2010.03.18 16:38:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: vitaminK on 18/03/2010 16:38:23
This is worth a discussion lol? I'll stick to my CS 1.6 for proper tournament play, console FPS games wish they had that sort of sponsorship.

EDIT: Page 4 AWP'ed.

SIWETH
Posted - 2010.03.18 17:35:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: SIWETH on 18/03/2010 17:37:04
Originally by: vitaminK
Edited by: vitaminK on 18/03/2010 16:38:23
This is worth a discussion lol? I'll stick to my CS 1.6 for proper tournament play, console FPS games wish they had that sort of sponsorship.

EDIT: Page 4 AWP'ed.


you suck more than the money grabbing sierra/blizzard ****s who pulled on other very good games. why would they do that?

edit: and it shows in the team now.ccp you suck.

Ramiera DaMorre
Posted - 2010.03.18 18:32:00 - [93]
 

...

This takes me back to the SNES vs. SEGA MD era. Rolling Eyes

Scarlet Crimson
Posted - 2010.03.18 18:33:00 - [94]
 

My main concern with Dust, is the eve players becoming dependant on the dust players to keep the planets. Two seperate games depending on the other to remain active isn't the brightest thing in the world. I hope CCP has a backup plan.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.03.18 18:42:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Scarlet Crimson
My main concern with Dust, is the eve players becoming dependant on the dust players to keep the planets. Two seperate games depending on the other to remain active isn't the brightest thing in the world. I hope CCP has a backup plan.
They stated pretty much from the get-go, and have repeated at every opportunity since, that the two games will function just fine without each other. Should EVE go under, Dust will survive, and vice versa.

vitaminK
Posted - 2010.03.19 01:49:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: vitaminK on 19/03/2010 02:08:27
Edited by: vitaminK on 19/03/2010 01:55:37
Edited by: vitaminK on 19/03/2010 01:49:19
Originally by: SIWETH
you suck more than the money grabbing sierra/blizzard ****s who pulled on other very good games. why would they do that?

edit: and it shows in the team now.ccp you suck.
What is this I don't even-. No FPS player was going to take this seriously the moment they announced it for consoles, auto-aim, health-regen, and deathmatch based gameplay is anything but tactical or that requiring any measure of skill. Typical game mechanics aside, others have already mentioned the hardware limitations. Why the **** would I shoot myself in the foot using a sluggish joystick for this genre, it's nearly if not worse than the terrible attempts at RTS on consoles.

Originally by: Tippia
They stated pretty much from the get-go, and have repeated at every opportunity since, that the two games will function just fine without each other. Should EVE go under, Dust will survive, and vice versa.
There's your answer, I think? It's great they at least made it clear the two games are independent and don't rely on each other. Keep those people as far away from EVE as possible. If I wanted FPS mercenaries I'd hire SK Gaming.

EDIT: In summary, keep console pubstars out of our EVE.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2010.03.19 03:53:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 17/03/2010 02:10:22
Quote:

its my opinion



There we go! Now your position is so much easier to accept rather than fact.

on a lighter note, apparently the USAF prefers joysticks to mice! Razz
Look....real PvP!!!!






I know where this was taken, you are flirting with real chit, posting that on public forums..

DISA anyone?
Shocked



Got that off of Wiki, good sir. (ma'am?)

Also, watching the debate rage on, seriously, keyboard vs a left analog stick. Either on or off versus precision, are you seriously trying to tell me the former is better? lol. Also, slamsticks strafe left, look right = 180 instantly.

vetodel morei
Posted - 2010.03.19 04:00:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 17/03/2010 02:10:22
Quote:

its my opinion



There we go! Now your position is so much easier to accept rather than fact.

on a lighter note, apparently the USAF prefers joysticks to mice! Razz
Look....real PvP!!!!






I know where this was taken, you are flirting with real chit, posting that on public forums..

DISA anyone?
Shocked



Got that off of Wiki, good sir. (ma'am?)

Also, watching the debate rage on, seriously, keyboard vs a left analog stick. Either on or off versus precision, are you seriously trying to tell me the former is better? lol. Also, slamsticks strafe left, look right = 180 instantly.


for speed and acuracy mouse will beat an analog stick every time

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2010.03.19 04:09:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Iamien on 19/03/2010 04:16:53
Edited by: Iamien on 19/03/2010 04:11:13
Not to mention console games have moderate to severe aim-assist. On a console, if your crosshair is near the enemy, almost every bullet will hit them.

On a good PC FPS, the hitboxes are much smaller, no aim-assist and missing by centimeters is quite common.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2010.03.19 04:31:00 - [100]
 

I'll give you that but most games have an option to turn auto-assist off. As for shield type games, well, halo being an example, I can one shot you through shields any day assuming you don't have an overshield on.

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2010.03.19 10:12:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Motseth

I dont play anymore because my PC sucks, Im not up to date on FPS games like I was 2 years ago. Telling me I have no clue about FPS is the same like saying a player that pvped since 2003 have no clue about pvp....
There are plenty of good games for console that are FPS, but their focus is not true FPS and if you dont get what I mean you dont have a clue about what FPS is, so I will not explain what is obvious. When you talk about Strafe Aiming basically you just told me I am right, FPS on gamepads are basically strafe and on PC you have the freedom to choose strafe or not strafe. PC you have true freedom while on gamepad you are completly subjugated to what the gamepad allows you to do, that is why mouse/keyboard is better, more options, more gameplay, more tactics, more freedom, more skill needed and this equals a lot more fun.

Its not a question of adaptation, is a question of gameplay, console FPS games are all shiny, good graphics, great stories, great background because they need to have what they lack in gameplay, like I said before, when you master a game genre you usually want the games that require the best from you (just like EVE, I play EVE and not other crappy MMO because EVE is much more demanding).

I love consoles and gamepads and like I said before, they are so much better for other types of games, the best example I think its racing games, but for true FPS games they are crap, insulting me wont change that.

I outlined all the crap you are writing, that make yourself look stupid.
fail excuses, basically you say I should not say you have no clue because you have missed the last 2 years? quake and UT are 10 years old games -.- strafe aiming exists for much longer than console FPS and no, aiming with gamepads is actually done easily, how about learn to play? beside the fact you dont know what strafe aiming is, try doing it on bad company 2 on consoles, you will hit everything except your target because of recoil unless you stand infront of it.

too every other console hator:
keyboard and mouse is an option on consoles, the devs only have to implement it, beside the fact the freedom and gameplay has nothing to do with what input device you use, it is what the devs allow you to do when making the game. so what about freedom? wii controller offers much more freedom than mouse and keyboard, such controller will be out for ps3 too this year, why dont you use such a controller for a pc?

console fps and ritch of story and background? the only one latest generation console fps that has that is killzone. all of the console fps are made for online gaming in the first place. aim assist? most of the console fps has aim assisst IN SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN ONLY and will do **** in multiplayer.

should I mention the hacks for pc too? anti cheat software SUCKS massively and the hack software are always months ahead, just few days ago someone bragged about how awesome he was in bad company 2. it was not even worth for him to disable the hax for the screenshot because no one cares, he will never get banned because they already have your money. the worst thing that might happen on consoles is stat padding.

so when the gamepad controls and consoles fps are crap, why are there so many people playing fps online on xbox and ps3?

again, if you dont like playing fps on consoles, it is ok, your opinion but dont talk crap.

Kim Cho
Posted - 2010.03.19 13:17:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Motseth

I dont play anymore because my PC sucks, Im not up to date on FPS games like I was 2 years ago. Telling me I have no clue about FPS is the same like saying a player that pvped since 2003 have no clue about pvp....
There are plenty of good games for console that are FPS, but their focus is not true FPS and if you dont get what I mean you dont have a clue about what FPS is, so I will not explain what is obvious. When you talk about Strafe Aiming basically you just told me I am right, FPS on gamepads are basically strafe and on PC you have the freedom to choose strafe or not strafe. PC you have true freedom while on gamepad you are completly subjugated to what the gamepad allows you to do, that is why mouse/keyboard is better, more options, more gameplay, more tactics, more freedom, more skill needed and this equals a lot more fun.

Its not a question of adaptation, is a question of gameplay, console FPS games are all shiny, good graphics, great stories, great background because they need to have what they lack in gameplay, like I said before, when you master a game genre you usually want the games that require the best from you (just like EVE, I play EVE and not other crappy MMO because EVE is much more demanding).

I love consoles and gamepads and like I said before, they are so much better for other types of games, the best example I think its racing games, but for true FPS games they are crap, insulting me wont change that.

I outlined all the crap you are writing, that make yourself look stupid.
fail excuses, basically you say I should not say you have no clue because you have missed the last 2 years? quake and UT are 10 years old games -.- strafe aiming exists for much longer than console FPS and no, aiming with gamepads is actually done easily, how about learn to play? beside the fact you dont know what strafe aiming is, try doing it on bad company 2 on consoles, you will hit everything except your target because of recoil unless you stand infront of it.

too every other console hator:
keyboard and mouse is an option on consoles, the devs only have to implement it, beside the fact the freedom and gameplay has nothing to do with what input device you use, it is what the devs allow you to do when making the game. so what about freedom? wii controller offers much more freedom than mouse and keyboard, such controller will be out for ps3 too this year, why dont you use such a controller for a pc?

console fps and ritch of story and background? the only one latest generation console fps that has that is killzone. all of the console fps are made for online gaming in the first place. aim assist? most of the console fps has aim assisst IN SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN ONLY and will do **** in multiplayer.

should I mention the hacks for pc too? anti cheat software SUCKS massively and the hack software are always months ahead, just few days ago someone bragged about how awesome he was in bad company 2. it was not even worth for him to disable the hax for the screenshot because no one cares, he will never get banned because they already have your money. the worst thing that might happen on consoles is stat padding.

so when the gamepad controls and consoles fps are crap, why are there so many people playing fps online on xbox and ps3?

again, if you dont like playing fps on consoles, it is ok, your opinion but dont talk crap.



May I add, that i personally don't know any big FPS game for console, that isn't also available for PC?
Just for the "shiny graphics" and "good story" part of the argumentation: the games are the same on both console and PC. Only difference is the type of controlling and Options to scale the graphics on the PC.

btw, is there a possibility to play a game PC vs. Console? I'd like to show some console haters the "true joy of the stick" Razz

small chimp
Posted - 2010.03.19 13:33:00 - [103]
 

Someone should link the magic crystal ball jpg?

LiNuXb0y
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.03.19 13:54:00 - [104]
 

The main thing I think will be the issue is that eve is a long running game with years and years of work gone into it from the player side, making Dust such an important aspect of it will, imo be a bad idea as fps console players general don't play a game for many years. Sure they may play for 6 months or so but as soon as the next cod/battlefield comes out the same player will go play that without a moments thought, leaving the in game mechanics and effort ccp is puting into this pretty much pointless.

As a side project to make them some money sure what they hey, but making it suck an important aspect of eve will be a massive mistake, along with not making it for the pc, seriously wtf were they thinking on that one???

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.03.19 13:58:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: LiNuXb0y
making Dust such an important aspect of it will, imo be a bad idea
They stated pretty much from the get-go, and have repeated at every opportunity since, that the two games will function just fine without each other. Should EVE go under, Dust will survive, and vice versa.

vitaminK
Posted - 2010.03.19 14:52:00 - [106]
 

Lulz at the utter **** excuses from console pubstars. Keep enjoying your mediocre short term scams, PC FPS designed for proper competition will continue hosting and headlining all the renown tournaments along with StarCraft. I couldn't care less you're willingly ****ing your money away at the next new addition, that wasn't the point. Apparently even the developers of terri****-watered-down-mass-appeal-to-everyone-including-your-inbred-cousin games acknowledge the obvious facts. Here's a little reminder why your subjective delusions don't mean ****.

Shadowrun: Differences between Windows and Xbox 360 versions
Originally by: "FASA"
Because of the lack of 'pixel-accuracy' with the Xbox 360 analog thumbstick, the designers have included an aim-assisting technology, which basically interpolates the player's movement and causes the reticle to stay over an enemy player like a weak magnet. In addition, FASA has implemented a feature which causes the cross-hair to expand during quick movements, thus lowering the player's accuracy, making it impossible to quickly turn and maintain accuracy, reducing the potential advantage of playing with a mouse. PC players, who have a more sensitive control scheme, are able to turn significantly faster than their controller-using counterparts and would have gained an unfair advantage.

I'd thought playing an elitist, niche, and competitive game like EVE would get me away from this ******ation but I guess this is the internet and I should have known better. Arguing for argument's sake but don't fathom blatant lies to try and justify your purposes. This post also contained zero rage, it's just too easy (and tempting) decimating nonexistent logic.

Motseth
Posted - 2010.03.19 17:12:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic

I outlined all the crap you are writing, that make yourself look stupid.
fail excuses, basically you say I should not say you have no clue because you have missed the last 2 years? quake and UT are 10 years old games -.- strafe aiming exists for much longer than console FPS and no, aiming with gamepads is actually done easily, how about learn to play? beside the fact you dont know what strafe aiming is, try doing it on bad company 2 on consoles, you will hit everything except your target because of recoil unless you stand infront of it.



?? what you are saying makes no sense, you outlined stuff and then bring arguments that are illogical, before EVE I was a FPS gamer (console and PC), stop saying bull****. Dont make affirmations about what I know and dont know without knowing what I really know. And again insulting me wont make your ****** post be right.

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic

too every other console hator:
keyboard and mouse is an option on consoles, the devs only have to implement it, beside the fact the freedom and gameplay has nothing to do with what input device you use, it is what the devs allow you to do when making the game. so what about freedom? wii controller offers much more freedom than mouse and keyboard, such controller will be out for ps3 too this year, why dont you use such a controller for a pc?



I love consoles, read my post instead of posting raging stupid bull**** about them. When you say that freedom and gameplay has nothing to do with what device you use, you just gave proof to everyone you dont have a clue about what you are talking about. Also we are talking about mouse and keyboard versus console gamepad (PS3 for example, you know this topic is about Dust514 dont you?)

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic

console fps and ritch of story and background? the only one latest generation console fps that has that is killzone. all of the console fps are made for online gaming in the first place. aim assist? most of the console fps has aim assisst IN SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN ONLY and will do **** in multiplayer.



Again, proof you have no clue about what you are talking about, "the only one latest generations console fps..." ????? who the **** is talking about generations or whatever? Aim assist is an example of what console developers do to make the game better, otherwise the NPCs in this games would need to be very very dumb. In multiplayer everyone is playing with the same "gamepad", maybe because there are no NPCs, maybe...

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic

should I mention the hacks for pc too? anti cheat software SUCKS massively and the hack software are always months ahead, just few days ago someone bragged about how awesome he was in bad company 2. it was not even worth for him to disable the hax for the screenshot because no one cares, he will never get banned because they already have your money. the worst thing that might happen on consoles is stat padding.



who the **** is talking about hacks? fyi we are discussing the pros and cons of mouse and keyboard versus gamepad in FPS games.

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic

so when the gamepad controls and consoles fps are crap, why are there so many people playing fps online on xbox and ps3?

again, if you dont like playing fps on consoles, it is ok, your opinion but dont talk crap.



Compared to what you can do in a mouse and keyboard yes they are crap, that does not mean you cant enjoy the game and the multiplayer option, also everyone uses the same type of gamepad making it equal for everyone, the same goes for racing games, why people play online racing games in a keyboard when its better in a gamepad, because its a game and they are having fun? I never said FPS on consoles are impossible to be good or no one can like it, you just assume stuff that is not there.

Motseth
Posted - 2010.03.19 17:37:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Kim Cho

btw, is there a possibility to play a game PC vs. Console? I'd like to show some console haters the "true joy of the stick" Razz


Believe me, you dont want to, you have your head blown up before you even try to move your aim. I used to play America's Army (probably one of the most realistic FPS games I ever played), for those who don't know the game, aim takes in consideration:
- Breathing (normal breath, jump and/or sprint and you will have a hard time to aim after that for sometime until your character stabilizes)
- Wounds
- Bullets hitting or passing by close to you creates stress on your aim
- Movement
- Prone, Crouch or Standing (all of them affected by the previous, none is immune)

I would agree to play with this rules and you to have none of them and you would score 0. Any decent FPS (computer) would own you.YARRRR!!

Originally by: vitaminK

Why the **** would I shoot myself in the foot using a sluggish joystick for this genre, it's nearly if not worse than the terrible attempts at RTS on consoles.



this and...

Originally by: vitaminK
Lulz at the utter **** excuses from console pubstars. Keep enjoying your mediocre short term scams, PC FPS designed for proper competition will continue hosting and headlining all the renown tournaments along with StarCraft. I couldn't care less you're willingly ****ing your money away at the next new addition, that wasn't the point. Apparently even the developers of terri****-watered-down-mass-appeal-to-everyone-including-your-inbred-cousin games acknowledge the obvious facts. Here's a little reminder why your subjective delusions don't mean ****.

Shadowrun: Differences between Windows and Xbox 360 versions
Originally by: "FASA"
Because of the lack of 'pixel-accuracy' with the Xbox 360 analog thumbstick, the designers have included an aim-assisting technology, which basically interpolates the player's movement and causes the reticle to stay over an enemy player like a weak magnet. In addition, FASA has implemented a feature which causes the cross-hair to expand during quick movements, thus lowering the player's accuracy, making it impossible to quickly turn and maintain accuracy, reducing the potential advantage of playing with a mouse. PC players, who have a more sensitive control scheme, are able to turn significantly faster than their controller-using counterparts and would have gained an unfair advantage.

I'd thought playing an elitist, niche, and competitive game like EVE would get me away from this ******ation but I guess this is the internet and I should have known better. Arguing for argument's sake but don't fathom blatant lies to try and justify your purposes. This post also contained zero rage, it's just too easy (and tempting) decimating nonexistent logic.


this.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2010.03.19 17:42:00 - [109]
 

Regardless of what FASA says...

...you don't have to live with it.



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