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El Mauru
Amarr
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.03.16 22:29:00 - [61]
 

Hi Mom, I'm posting in a tinfoil thread Surprised

ChrisIsherwood
Posted - 2010.03.16 23:19:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Zora'e
1 day of fish food Last year: 32 Kroner
1 day of fish food this year: 320 Kroner

When a countries monetary unit is devalued, everything in that country costs more of it's monetary units to purchase. If employees in that country are not financially compensated (getting a Raise at work) for the devaluing of their countries monetary unit, then they end up struggling to make ends meet, or worse case, fail to make ends meet at all.


It hurts some(most?) and helps some.

If you own an export business, it makes it a lot easier to sell.

If you had a retirement plan with foreign stocks in them, then in your example the ISK value of your retirement plan and its dividend income would have gone up 1000%. All of your debt is now worth 10% of its old value; it now only takes one tenth as many euros to pay off your home mortgage. If you had a home mortgage of ISK worth 400k euro and retirement plan of 200k Euro in foreign multinationals you went from a net worth, excluding the house, of negative 200k to positive 160k since it now only takes 40k not 400k Euros to pay off your mortgage.

Cynics will point out that profligates without national loyalty are rewarded handomely; patriotic, frugal people are penalized.

"Rich or poor, it's good to have money"

P.S., condolences worldwide to those of us smacked by recent financial turmoil.

Motseth
Posted - 2010.03.16 23:43:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Motseth
I don't know anyone that enjoys playing FPS in consoles because it just blows, everyone I know now, and I knew in the past hated it.
Unfortunately, you and your friends are irrelevant, and more reliable sources (the mighty $$$) say otherwise.


yes me and my friends and everyone I knew are irrelevant, still, console FPS continues to be fail and horrible to play, aiming with joystick lol
the mighty $$$ just means that a lot of people are not skilled enough to play harder FPS games (computer) so they go for crap FPS console games with very good graphics and very poor gameplay (jumping and firing missiles and game helping to aim lol), usually the dumb like shiny things instead of skilled things.

Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre
Originally by: Motseth
I don't know anyone that enjoys playing FPS in consoles because it just blows, everyone I know now, and I knew in the past hated it.


Everyone I know or knew and _hated_ FPS' on consoles in truth hated the consoles, not the games.
I played on both sides, I was pretty good at it (shame on me for praising myselfRolling Eyes) and I call bull**** on the master race opinion*.

*FPS CAN BE PC ONLY FRIGGIN N00BS LOLOLOL!!!11Rolling Eyes


I love consoles, I played consoles until I was 16 years old and continued to play both computer and consoles. Im not saying the games are bad, but aiming with a joystick is horrible, I was very very good at FPS games, after I arrived to the conclusion joystick and FPS is not fun I bought a computer, I played a lot of counter strike (clans and ****) CS was too easy and I went for America's Army and at this game I was probably on the top 100 solo players in the world (yes shame on me for praising myself but that is the truth, I was ****ing good at America's Army) so Im not a noob on FPS, I know what Im talking about.

But hey! everyone is free to think whatever they want
console FPS = FAIL
its my opinion

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2010.03.17 02:10:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 17/03/2010 02:10:22
Quote:

its my opinion



There we go! Now your position is so much easier to accept rather than fact.

on a lighter note, apparently the USAF prefers joysticks to mice! Razz
Look....real PvP!!!!


Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.17 03:47:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I'll give you 4/10 for this troll as a fair few people did bite.
Only two bit mine. i r slippin..Sad

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.03.17 03:53:00 - [66]
 

Would probably be a great success if they made it deeper, and more integrated with eve, and released it on PC.

Of course they'd have to constantly deal with hackers then.

Nawt Ovarpwiced
Posted - 2010.03.17 03:54:00 - [67]
 

This is where a Xim360 will come in handy. I will enjoy ****ing you console fanboi's off with it in Dust. that is if Dust doesnt epicfail, heh.

**** i hate console pads! Keyboard & Mouse FTW

Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
Posted - 2010.03.17 04:35:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Weight What
captain fovios

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.17 12:57:00 - [69]
 

no PC version dust 514 is doomed to fail hate to see it but theres just no leverage off the PC version of eve online no incentive etc etc

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.03.17 13:22:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
no PC version dust 514 is doomed to fail hate to see it but theres just no leverage off the PC version of eve online no incentive etc etc
That… made little to no sense. ugh

What's so hard to understand? Dust is not aimed at EVE players. So why would they "leverage off the PC version of eve", when the people that would respond to that aren't the target audience? And what's the incentive you're talking about that isn't there?

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.03.17 13:36:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeliosGal
no PC version dust 514 is doomed to fail hate to see it but theres just no leverage off the PC version of eve online no incentive etc etc
That… made little to no sense. ugh

What's so hard to understand? Dust is not aimed at EVE players. So why would they "leverage off the PC version of eve", when the people that would respond to that aren't the target audience? And what's the incentive you're talking about that isn't there?


dust on console competes with all the superior shooters out there, u can leverage youre 600000 eve subscribers with a pc version plus alliances would be able to field ground troops and fw peeps could have a dust toon to

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.03.17 14:06:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
dust on console competes with all the superior shooters out there,
Assumption: that all the other shooters out there are superior.
Insinuation: if it were on the PC, it wouldn't compete with any shooters.
Quote:
u can leverage youre 600000 eve subscribers with a pc version
Factual error: it's just over half that.
Quote:
plus alliances would be able to field ground troops and fw peeps could have a dust toon to
They can do that anyway.
And again: the target audience for Dust is not EVE players.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.03.17 15:03:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
no PC version dust 514 is doomed to fail hate to see it but theres just no leverage off the PC version of eve online no incentive etc etc


i might actually be able to tell what your opinion was if you used some punctuation.

Originally by: HeliosGal
no PC version, dust 514 is doomed to fail


Originally by: HeliosGal
no, PC version dust 514 is doomed to fail


which one?

Motseth
Posted - 2010.03.17 15:24:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 17/03/2010 02:10:22
Quote:

its my opinion



There we go! Now your position is so much easier to accept rather than fact.

on a lighter note, apparently the USAF prefers joysticks to mice! Razz
Look....real PvP!!!!




we are not talking about real war are we? joysticks are better for so many things than keyboard/mouse, so many, but FPS GAMES they are not, When I played FPS games I would agree to 10 or more vs me alone, me and my mouse and all the others in their console pads or joysticks, would own them too easily.

Make a real search on why joysticks are used by the military and not mouses.

Gamepads/Joysticks for FPS = FAIL

Antagonistic
Posted - 2010.03.17 16:16:00 - [75]
 

I am pretty excited because of a short string of logical thought.

Many FPS mulitplayer shooters are all pretty general(run there, shoot red guys, maybe shoot another red guy, die, respawn, repeat).

Without sounding like I'm kissing to much ass, I am optimistically hopeful that CCP, the creators of the Eve universe that we love and hate, a company that has listened too and involved itself with its players more than any other MMO, can MAYBE, jussssst maybe, create a really revolutionary FPS.

***Slaps self****

but the narcosit in me says it will probably be a great huge generic FPS turd that when flushed will drag EVE down with it.

Scarlet Crimson
Posted - 2010.03.17 17:59:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Scarlet Crimson on 17/03/2010 18:01:24
Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre
Originally by: Motseth
Can someone explain to me since when consoles are good for FPS games, they are horrible, FPS without a mouse is so fail...



A common misconception.



They have yet to invent anything that beats a kb/mouse combo. Some people may be naturaly better with a controller, but it is rare. This may also be the reason why there may not be a pc version of dust. Most of us just can not aim with our left thumb nearly as well as we can with our right hand.

This is not saying it should be for pc only however, so long as the console players does not have to compete with a pc player.. all is good. ( please do not throw exceptions at me, we all know they exist. :P )


Mr Muchaka
Posted - 2010.03.17 18:03:00 - [77]
 

Well who knows Dust514 might actually be an FPS we just have to wait and see.

Kaaii
Caldari
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
KAAII-NET
Posted - 2010.03.17 20:23:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 17/03/2010 02:10:22
Quote:

its my opinion



There we go! Now your position is so much easier to accept rather than fact.

on a lighter note, apparently the USAF prefers joysticks to mice! Razz
Look....real PvP!!!!




I know where this was taken, you are flirting with real chit, posting that on public forums..

DISA anyone?
Shocked

Ramiera DaMorre
Posted - 2010.03.17 21:28:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Scarlet Crimson

They have yet to invent anything that beats a kb/mouse combo. Some people may be naturaly better with a controller, but it is rare. This may also be the reason why there may not be a pc version of dust. Most of us just can not aim with our left thumb nearly as well as we can with our right hand.

This is not saying it should be for pc only however, so long as the console players does not have to compete with a pc player.. all is good. ( please do not throw exceptions at me, we all know they exist. :P )



Not going to throw exceptions (I'm on your side in thatSmile ) but I have to point out that a lot depends on how used to the controller a player is and if it's a PC or console game. The latter is optimized for the suboptimal controller so playing an FPS on console is NOT worse, it's different. But you surely know this as well so I'm just having a bit of a good time throwing words around.Razz
First time I had to grab a controller to play an FPS I was utterly decimated/dominated/even ****d(force feedback woohoooLaughing). Took some time to get my bearings but after that I didn't feel it lacking.

Comparing mouse/kb and controllers is such a... waste. Really. Like saying turn based strategies are inferior/superior to real time strategies. (not the best example but it's lateRazz)

Tho there are some nice gadgets brewing with motion sensors and whatnot.

ps.: damn right I love parentheses!

Motseth
Posted - 2010.03.17 23:56:00 - [80]
 

I disagree, comparing two types of games is not the same as comparing two ways of playing the same type of game, in the later sometimes one of the ways is better, and I think its the case, mouse have disadvantages like instant 180 degree turns, quite unrealistic but its by far much more realistic than gamepad way, and in my experienced opinion keyboard/mouse is much more fun, realistic, requires more skill, and when games are great (America's Army for example) you have a much bigger satisfaction.

Same thing for racing games, and fighting games, keyboard/mouse is worst than gamepad, gamepad gives you more options to control and that means more skill needed, more hours trying to be better and more fun taken out of the game.

Joe Censored
UNKN0WN ENTITY
Frater Adhuc Excessum
Posted - 2010.03.18 00:33:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Zora'e
1 day of fish food Last year: 32 Kroner
1 day of fish food this year: 320 Kroner

When a countries monetary unit is devalued, everything in that country costs more of it's monetary units to purchase. If employees in that country are not financially compensated (getting a Raise at work) for the devaluing of their countries monetary unit, then they end up struggling to make ends meet, or worse case, fail to make ends meet at all.


That's true for a company who's income and expenses are both based on the same devaluing currency, but the vast majority of income to CCP is not based on the Kroner, but instead is USD and Euro.

That means if the currency is devalued 10x vs the Dollar for example, it can cost 10x as many Kroner to pay employees but when they converted their Dollar revenues into Kroners they also got 10x as many. So for a company like CCP who takes in currencies that are relatively strong compared to their home currency, it is really not a big deal.

Ramiera DaMorre
Posted - 2010.03.18 00:46:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Ramiera DaMorre on 18/03/2010 00:46:43
Originally by: Motseth
I disagree


We agree to disagree, eh?
Laughing But really, they require a different point of view nevertheless, can't be measured on the same scale. You can say "But they are both FPS ffs!" but then again, a Zuk and a Miata will not quite handle in the same way since they weren't for the same market either (and tbh seeing the state in which the roads are here I'd rather drive the former, much as I like the Miata :D)

About skill: if it's easier to play a genre with one kind of a controller (be it mouse, keyboard, wheel or gamepad) doesn't that mean that the people who play it with another will be ultimately more skilled after a while being "handicapped" and having to spend more hours trying to be better? Laughing Not necessarily more effective tho.

Edit: sneaky economic post! Shoo! Razz

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.03.18 00:51:00 - [83]
 

Summary of thread:

Those who do not like DUST514: DUST FAV WON FUR, DURRR HURRRNH!

Those who do like DUST514: DURRR HURRRNH, DUST FAV WON FUR!

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2010.03.18 11:57:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/03/2010 11:57:02
Originally by: Motseth
Before I found EVE I was a FPS player so I know what Im talking about, played so many FPS games (clans and ****) in consoles and computers, consoles is ok for crap games like unreal tournament where you don't need much aiming skills, its more like doing random jumping **** and fire missiles, and when you master the aiming in those games you are godlike, still I would totally own any pro who would want a confrontation, my computer versus console.

you actually have no clue about fps. UT and similar games like Quake are all about map knowledge, superior movement and STRAFE AIMING (and I guess you dont know what this means).

those days are over, such bunny hopping ***fest games get rare lately and latest games start to focus on tactical and team based gameplay, where you dont need any super duper hand acrobatics with the mouse & keyboard. you need to use your brain again (thats why some many pc ***s are claiming console fps suck, they cant adapt withouta working brain Laughing )

seriously to all those offending pseudo elitist pc ***s: if you dont like consoles and gamepads, it is ok, it is your opinion but stop talking bull**** => it makes you look stupid.

Droog 1
Posted - 2010.03.18 12:33:00 - [85]
 

How much will an Assault Rifle cost?

Mess1ah
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:30:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Droog 1
How much will an Assault Rifle cost?


your thinking of hitting the haulers too?Very Happy

Motseth
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:38:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/03/2010 11:57:02
Originally by: Motseth
Before I found EVE I was a FPS player so I know what Im talking about, played so many FPS games (clans and ****) in consoles and computers, consoles is ok for crap games like unreal tournament where you don't need much aiming skills, its more like doing random jumping **** and fire missiles, and when you master the aiming in those games you are godlike, still I would totally own any pro who would want a confrontation, my computer versus console.

you actually have no clue about fps. UT and similar games like Quake are all about map knowledge, superior movement and STRAFE AIMING (and I guess you dont know what this means).

those days are over, such bunny hopping ***fest games get rare lately and latest games start to focus on tactical and team based gameplay, where you dont need any super duper hand acrobatics with the mouse & keyboard. you need to use your brain again (thats why some many pc ***s are claiming console fps suck, they cant adapt withouta working brain Laughing )

seriously to all those offending pseudo elitist pc ***s: if you dont like consoles and gamepads, it is ok, it is your opinion but stop talking bull**** => it makes you look stupid.


I dont play anymore because my PC sucks, Im not up to date on FPS games like I was 2 years ago. Telling me I have no clue about FPS is the same like saying a player that pvped since 2003 have no clue about pvp....
There are plenty of good games for console that are FPS, but their focus is not true FPS and if you dont get what I mean you dont have a clue about what FPS is, so I will not explain what is obvious. When you talk about Strafe Aiming basically you just told me I am right, FPS on gamepads are basically strafe and on PC you have the freedom to choose strafe or not strafe. PC you have true freedom while on gamepad you are completly subjugated to what the gamepad allows you to do, that is why mouse/keyboard is better, more options, more gameplay, more tactics, more freedom, more skill needed and this equals a lot more fun.

Its not a question of adaptation, is a question of gameplay, console FPS games are all shiny, good graphics, great stories, great background because they need to have what they lack in gameplay, like I said before, when you master a game genre you usually want the games that require the best from you (just like EVE, I play EVE and not other crappy MMO because EVE is much more demanding).

I love consoles and gamepads and like I said before, they are so much better for other types of games, the best example I think its racing games, but for true FPS games they are crap, insulting me wont change that.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:50:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Motseth
FPS on gamepads are basically strafe and on PC you have the freedom to choose strafe or not strafe. PC you have true freedom while on gamepad you are completly subjugated to what the gamepad allows you to do
ugh Would you care to explain why you don't have a choice to strafe or not strafe on consoles, and how a mouse/keyboard combo isn't limited by what the m/kb lets you do?

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.03.18 16:00:00 - [89]
 

PC, freedom of movement, more natural. Both speed for checking your flanks, corners, turning around quickly, and accuracy for aiming carefully.
Negatives? only 4 speeds of movement around the game world; stop, walk, run, sprint. Not a big deal.

Console, Movement speeds from stop and anywhere up to run, and also sprint.
Negatives? Inability to check corners affectively, inability to turn around quickly, struggle to check flanks, more often than not a bad or unalterable FOV, limited control inputs.

All of those are pretty big deals, you say these means it's important to use teamwork to negate these, it's important to use those on PC games as well for cover and such.

It's all a bit like comparing Olympic and paralympic rugby, yeah the guys in the wheelchairs can roll along easily from one end of the pitch to the other, but it's hardly worth the disadvantage of having no legs.

H4rbringer
Posted - 2010.03.18 16:34:00 - [90]
 

adapt.


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