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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.03.14 22:22:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: General Newbold
i know this has been brought up before - but i really disagree with plex (30 day) scamming

he tried to sell me 2 today - which were actually just 1 - if plex's cannot be took out of stations they shouldnt be contractable

ccp please make them contract exempt - set them as damaged or something
…or just don't buy them on contracts.

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.03.14 23:58:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: General Newbold
i know this has been brought up before - but i really disagree with plex (30 day) scamming

he tried to sell me 2 today - which were actually just 1 - if plex's cannot be took out of stations they shouldnt be contractable

ccp please make them contract exempt - set them as damaged or something
…or just don't buy them on contracts.


...or just stop playing.

Rukia Xion
Caldari
Xion Limited
Reverberation Project
Posted - 2010.03.15 01:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Elora Narst
This is probably more than I should say, but on a side note, it is disgusting to claim to be a disabled veteran when, in fact, you are not one.
Just saying.


In my eyes, any merit your argument may have had disolved the instant I read this statment.

Just saying.

Rhaetic
Black Ice Consortium
Posted - 2010.03.15 01:43:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Rukia Xion
Originally by: Elora Narst
This is probably more than I should say, but on a side note, it is disgusting to claim to be a disabled veteran when, in fact, you are not one.
Just saying.


In my eyes, any merit your argument may have had disolved the instant I read this statment.

Just saying.


For the record, I don't believe for an instant that he is a disabled veteran. Why? Because I'm a veteran (not disabled) and every single disabled vet with whom I am personally acquainted (which is quite a few, thanks to modern events) would NEVER, EVER, EVER bring that up on an internet forum. Never. Not even once. End of story.

The reason for this is because they refuse to let their disability define them. They have too much pride.

Furthermore, they sure as hell wouldn't use it as a justification for running scams in an online game.

If this rat b-tard wants to make his ISK running contract scams then that's fine. What is not fine is the continual flood of spam that fills up the local channels in trade hubs. The solution to this is really, really simple: report him as an ISK spammer. Not only will it get CCP looking at his account, but it will block him and remove the text from your chat log.

Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.15 01:54:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Rhaetic
The solution to this is really, really simple: report him as an ISK spammer.



Laughing Man I wanna live in a world where conclusions are that simple

Hrisantema
Posted - 2010.03.15 07:03:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Hrisantema on 15/03/2010 07:16:35

Originally by: Rhaetic
For the record, I don't believe for an instant that he is a disabled veteran. Why? Because I'm a veteran (not disabled) and every single disabled vet with whom I am personally acquainted (which is quite a few, thanks to modern events) would NEVER, EVER, EVER bring that up on an internet forum. Never. Not even once. End of story.

The reason for this is because they refuse to let their disability define them. They have too much pride.

Makes sense.

Can you imagine a person signing up to defend own country, participating in an armed conflict, getting wounded, coming back home as a disabled veteran, then deciding "ok, i'm just going to sit home all day long and spam scams in an MMO game"? How stupid does he think everyone playing this game is? (I mean besides Rukia Xion of course)

Shrike Arghast
Posted - 2010.03.15 07:08:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Rhaetic
Originally by: Rukia Xion
Originally by: Elora Narst
This is probably more than I should say, but on a side note, it is disgusting to claim to be a disabled veteran when, in fact, you are not one.
Just saying.


In my eyes, any merit your argument may have had disolved the instant I read this statment.

Just saying.


For the record, I don't believe for an instant that he is a disabled veteran. Why? Because I'm a veteran (not disabled) and every single disabled vet with whom I am personally acquainted (which is quite a few, thanks to modern events) would NEVER, EVER, EVER bring that up on an internet forum. Never. Not even once. End of story.

The reason for this is because they refuse to let their disability define them. They have too much pride.

Furthermore, they sure as hell wouldn't use it as a justification for running scams in an online game.

If this rat b-tard wants to make his ISK running contract scams then that's fine. What is not fine is the continual flood of spam that fills up the local channels in trade hubs. The solution to this is really, really simple: report him as an ISK spammer. Not only will it get CCP looking at his account, but it will block him and remove the text from your chat log.


I agree fully. He is not a disabled veteran, and even if he was, that was a shameless and meaningless effort to curry public support in a completely unrelated venue. The two factors are totally unrelated.

Hey everyone, I'm a veteran of the Great Space War of 2341. I traveled back in time, but the trauma I suffered when that ion cannon took off my arm was such that now I need to scam people in a video game. You also need to pity me.

Did that work?

Bal'Ayle
Minmatar
Exodia Industries
Posted - 2010.03.15 09:43:00 - [38]
 

the way i see it, it IS annoying to go to a trade hub and be bamboozled with scams, but on the other side of the coin, its nothing new. flooding local in my opinion is part of the game as im sure the OP is aware, and providing the guy is sitting at his computer, i don't really mind the macros i mean if he is playing the game its really just a limitation to have to type it out 1000x a day, and if we did stop him he would just use a notepad and copy and paste, links can be typed i think?

anywho either way he is doing it, i would just mute him. i contacted his "alts" a couple times (ones i suspect etc) and he spoke to me, a nice loan process that i imagine is quite hard biting for those that take it, but i mean he was physically at the computer so its not really all that bad


technically he is breaking EULA, but in such a way that doesn't really effect game play of other players just mute him and move on, end of the day hes not letting it play for him hes just letting it paste what he wants pasted =]

secondly if they really are all his alts, my GOD he must have a good system :D i can handle two at ones but damn,

anyway, im not a maduff lover, nor am i siding with the OP just wanted to mention the severity of this macro is so not worth the ban, maybe a mute, or a CCP backed request to stop the PLEX scam but i honestly find that funny :D

how irritated would you be if you bought that one ><

anywho have fun all ^^

Joe Censored
UNKN0WN ENTITY
Frater Adhuc Excessum
Posted - 2010.03.16 23:02:00 - [39]
 

I think you guys are all just jealous that after all your roid mining and L4's you still don't have as much isk as someone who makes obvious scam contract links in Jita local. I say keep it up Burnie!

Xia Brightwing
Posted - 2010.03.17 01:47:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: General Newbold
i know this has been brought up before - but i really disagree with plex (30 day) scamming

he tried to sell me 2 today - which were actually just 1 - if plex's cannot be took out of stations they shouldnt be contractable

ccp please make them contract exempt - set them as damaged or something



iirc plex/GTC scamming IS a bannable offence, as these items have real-world value.

aside from that detail the contract scamming spam is legitimate use of game mechanics and unless its "disruptive" or "excessive" he can continue to do it all day.

oh, and welcome to EvE, you must not have been here long enough if you're whinging about contract scams.

MaterialsEngineer Kariya
Caldari
Deformed inc
A.P.O.P.H.I.S
Posted - 2010.03.17 01:57:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Burnie Madoff


This is probably more than I should say, but on a side note, I am a disabled veteran of the United States Marine Corps.


Why am i thinking about Eddie Murphy in "Trading Places" all of a sudden ?


Because no former Marine would tarnish the corps with such dishonor. Evil or Very Mad

Elora Narst
Gallente
Dlor Enterprises
Posted - 2010.03.17 02:53:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Elora Narst on 17/03/2010 04:25:53
Originally by: Xia Brightwing

iirc plex/GTC scamming IS a bannable offence, as these items have real-world value.

aside from that detail the contract scamming spam is legitimate use of game mechanics and unless its "disruptive" or "excessive" he can continue to do it all day.

oh, and welcome to EvE, you must not have been here long enough if you're whinging about contract scams.


GTC scamming is indeed bannable.

PLEX scamming is entirely legal, as PLEXes are considered to be in-game items.

More to the point: the thread is NOT about scams or scamming. This thread is about Burnie Madoff using a macro/script/chatbot to link contracts in local channels. This gives him an unfair advantage over other players, who refrain from using macros/chatbots*. It does not matter if the contracts he is linking are "legitimate" or "scams". The point of the discussion is that he is using a macro.

The thread presents convincing testimony to this fact, coming from some of the most well-known and trusted players in EVE, such as Chribba and Siigari. Burnie's alts are online 23/7, spamming incessantly. Sometimes finished scams are being spammed for hours. The time intervals between posts are extremely regular, and contracts are linked in a fixed order. To give you an idea of what I am talking about, here's a dump of Rens Local, courtesy of Menod Penter(c): Linkage. This dump was linked in another thread about Burnie's spambots.

Using macros is against the EULA (and rightfully so).

____________________________________________________________

Now, how to deal with the problem in hand.

1. Collect the evidence.
Have a trade or scamming alt parked in Jita, Amarr, Dixie? Upload Local dump to pastebin or eve-files. Post the link here, or in the Burnie thread on C&P, and specify your timezone.
If you feel like it, use Excel or your favorite text editor to count the number of Burnie's posts, and analyze the spacing between posts.

2. PETITION CCP.
Use either the "Exploit" or "EULA" category.
DO NOT mention "scams" or "spam" in the body of your petition. These things are not petitionable as such, nor should they be.
Instead, specifically refer to "chatbot", "macro", "script", or "bot" use. Link this thread, and one on C&P. If you have evidence (Local dumps), or statistical analysis of macroage, link that as well.
Also helpful is to request a yes-or-no answer on the legality of the use of macros.

Join the "Petition Burnie Madoff" channel in-game if you wish to coordinate your efforts, or if you have further questions!

Signed,
the (self-proclaimed) queen of contract scams,
Elora Narst
____________________________________________________________________

*As many of you know, I am a professional career scammer (contracts/corp theft).
I want to throw in some interesting numbers here. My own actuarial tables show that linking a feeble "extra-zeros" scam, just like the ones Burnie is running, in local can increase the probability of it working by up to 2.70% for any given hour spammed. While this looks like a small number, it is cumulative. It means all the difference between selling 2-3 500-million scams a week (with 23/7 spamming), and selling one every two months (with no exposure).

Joe Astor
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.03.17 03:24:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Burnie Madoff
Nor are you the first to post an idiotic post in C&P crying like a carebear to "Join together and rid ourselves of Burnie!"


This is GD, not C&P.

(Sorry, couldn't resist Razz)

And I have seen your alts spamming the Frell out of Dodixie. You missed a zero in the contract there. Wink

Elora Narst
Gallente
Dlor Enterprises
Posted - 2010.03.17 04:25:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Joe Astor
Originally by: Burnie Madoff
Nor are you the first to post an idiotic post in C&P crying like a carebear to "Join together and rid ourselves of Burnie!"


This is GD, not C&P.

(Sorry, couldn't resist Razz)



He cross-posted his drivel in C&P as well, don't worry.

I wonder if he used the same macro he uses to spam Dixie to copy-paste on the forums...

PyroTech03
Caldari
Legion of Darkwind
Order of the Void
Posted - 2010.03.17 08:34:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Xia Brightwing
Originally by: General Newbold
i know this has been brought up before - but i really disagree with plex (30 day) scamming

he tried to sell me 2 today - which were actually just 1 - if plex's cannot be took out of stations they shouldnt be contractable

ccp please make them contract exempt - set them as damaged or something



iirc plex/GTC scamming IS a bannable offence, as these items have real-world value.

aside from that detail the contract scamming spam is legitimate use of game mechanics and unless its "disruptive" or "excessive" he can continue to do it all day.

oh, and welcome to EvE, you must not have been here long enough if you're whinging about contract scams.


Actually.....GTC/plex is considered as any other type of in-game item and therefore is succeptable to all the same rules as any other item.....so yes you can scam them....I had even spoken to a GM about it and if it saves, still have the log with the GM to show that (was about 4 months ago)

The moment you turn a GTC into a plex.....it loses any form of protection it would have had....such as a GTC being hacked from your computer or something *shrug* can't think of any way the code would have made it in game

that's why you DO see so many of these contracts in Jita and what not. They do work. The one that got me when I was trying to sell a PLEX was the "Change the value" of the ISK.....i was trying to sell a plex for 280m and a user had it in there....he hit accept.....so i went to go hit accept and he changed the value and i was mid mouse click and couldn't catch it in time....GM told me it was an in-game item and used game mechanics to do it so it was fine.

Although I would have argued that that is an exploit of the system.....most MMO's you can't change once you hit the accept button without dropping completly out of the trade window. So I learned and now any time I have a plex i intend to sell....i do it through contracts.....although it is hard to do thanks to the ammount of contract scams that are out there.

Takseen
Posted - 2010.03.17 11:49:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: PyroTech03


that's why you DO see so many of these contracts in Jita and what not. They do work. The one that got me when I was trying to sell a PLEX was the "Change the value" of the ISK.....i was trying to sell a plex for 280m and a user had it in there....he hit accept.....so i went to go hit accept and he changed the value and i was mid mouse click and couldn't catch it in time....GM told me it was an in-game item and used game mechanics to do it so it was fine.

Although I would have argued that that is an exploit of the system.....most MMO's you can't change once you hit the accept button without dropping completly out of the trade window. So I learned and now any time I have a plex i intend to sell....i do it through contracts.....although it is hard to do thanks to the ammount of contract scams that are out there.


Ouch, that's a pretty fail trade system if the other party can change his side of the deal after you've hit accept.

Contract scams seem fine though, its nice and clear what items are actually being sold in the window at the bottom, which is much larger than the false info description at the top. And if you're clicking Accept on multi-million ISK contracts without taking the time to read them, so be it.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2010.03.17 13:01:00 - [47]
 

PLEX sell on normal market, 0 reason to ever use direct trade or contracts for them, unless you're greedy... which makes you the perfect scam victim. Cause pretty much all scams work because of greed or stupidity but mostly greed.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2010.03.17 13:10:00 - [48]
 

People like this are easy to spot by anyone, including GMs, and should just be muted or banned.

Most people don't fall for 10000 (really 1000) veldspar for whatever price but some will and this will fuel the fire that macro-spamming a scam = free ISK.

Like the OP I enjoy the fact that scams are legal in EVE (muhahahaha Twisted Evil) but this is not somebody playing a scam in the game, it is a potential to open up another WRT hole.

UNHOLY RAGE, CPP!! UNHOLY RAGE HIS ASS!!!!
/me reaches for burning torches and pitch forks.



Birdman Ravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.03.17 13:34:00 - [49]
 

There's an old saying. "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands."

Now I'm not saying anyone is anything, but spamming multiple local chats with multiple alts on predictable intervals for 23 hours a day 7 days a week and not noticing things like the spammed contract has sold does start to raise questions. As does being a "disabled veteran" who spends his time doing nothing but scamming with no desire to interact with Eve's player base in any other way. Also doing so without the time for things like sleep, food, or a bathroom does make me concerned for Burnie's well being.

Most scammers are like tourist traps, the locals know what's going on and don't care, but the visitors go "Ooh, Zydrine!".

PyroTech03
Caldari
Legion of Darkwind
Order of the Void
Posted - 2010.03.17 20:43:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: PyroTech03 on 17/03/2010 20:44:26
Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: PyroTech03


that's why you DO see so many of these contracts in Jita and what not. They do work. The one that got me when I was trying to sell a PLEX was the "Change the value" of the ISK.....i was trying to sell a plex for 280m and a user had it in there....he hit accept.....so i went to go hit accept and he changed the value and i was mid mouse click and couldn't catch it in time....GM told me it was an in-game item and used game mechanics to do it so it was fine.

Although I would have argued that that is an exploit of the system.....most MMO's you can't change once you hit the accept button without dropping completly out of the trade window. So I learned and now any time I have a plex i intend to sell....i do it through contracts.....although it is hard to do thanks to the ammount of contract scams that are out there.


Ouch, that's a pretty fail trade system if the other party can change his side of the deal after you've hit accept.

Contract scams seem fine though, its nice and clear what items are actually being sold in the window at the bottom, which is much larger than the false info description at the top. And if you're clicking Accept on multi-million ISK contracts without taking the time to read them, so be it.


isn't it?? i was mad for 10 minutes....but live and learn. I have the guy on my people and places and will pod him one day lol....

I agree....i like the idea scams and what not are legal....as long as it's in-game methods...i personally thing the trade window thing was in fact an exploit...I remember OLD Ultima Online (around the second age era for those familiar) you could do scamming in there....the true black dye tubs were pretty big...if you had one, you could dye balls of yarn (4) and take a normal dye tub and position them in the trade window like such....you didn't check the items and just looked...you just fell for a few mill scam. But once you hit accept (either party) the only way you could change the terms was to start a new trade window.

I loved scamming in UO....I was good at it....but I also played for 4 years. haven't really tried in EVE and I don't know if i could really scam someone out of a plex. other things....maybe one day but not yet.

Actually the comparisons i have to Early UO is the reason I decided i liked EVE....i read about Ebank and the Guiding hand social club incidents and then did a trial and got suicide ganked....after that badger of mine died....i was hooked lolLaughing

Wurzel Gummidge
Posted - 2010.03.17 20:58:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Insa Rexion
Originally by: Burnie Madoff


This is probably more than I should say, but on a side note, I am a disabled veteran of the United States Marine Corps.


Why am i thinking about Eddie Murphy in "Trading Places" all of a sudden ?


I smell the farmyard too, and it aint my wellies either.

Kritinana
Minmatar
The New Mexican Connection
Posted - 2010.03.17 21:49:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Hrisantema
Originally by: Burnie Madoff
I am NOT a bot, macro, or any other sort of thing. Check your logs, and check my posts ... I am a disabled veteran of the United States Marine Corps.

proof? of course macro owners will say anything to prevent getting banned ... after all you probably bought those macros for real life money




Proof that you have never self serviced?

Think about what you're saying.

kthxbai

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.03.17 22:33:00 - [53]
 


Xing Fey
Posted - 2010.03.18 06:46:00 - [54]
 

^Your link, it makes no sense.

Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.20 12:42:00 - [55]
 

Also nice: The way his macro first allows but then instantly rejects convo invitations instead of just using the "block unknown characters" feature. :)

Kva Plexcha
Gallente
Doing You Right
Posted - 2010.03.20 15:46:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: General Newbold
i know this has been brought up before - but i really disagree with plex (30 day) scamming

he tried to sell me 2 today - which were actually just 1 - if plex's cannot be took out of stations they shouldnt be contractable

ccp please make them contract exempt - set them as damaged or something




Umm am I the only one to see the irony in this post? Isnt this the M&D scammer, who never intended his market offering to be a scam but doesnt know how to return the money ...

Weight What
Gallente
Posted - 2010.03.20 16:32:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Originally by: General Newbold
i know this has been brought up before - but i really disagree with plex (30 day) scamming

he tried to sell me 2 today - which were actually just 1 - if plex's cannot be took out of stations they shouldnt be contractable

ccp please make them contract exempt - set them as damaged or something




Umm am I the only one to see the irony in this post? Isnt this the M&D scammer, who never intended his market offering to be a scam but doesnt know how to return the money ...



It is he


Obviously, he squandered his fortune rather quickly as he has taken to asking for l4 Mission running fits for his Raven in Ships and Modules Laughing

small chimp
Posted - 2010.03.20 17:21:00 - [58]
 

TO OP:

GM/rabid_fanboy says: petition him. CCP don't like botters so the only reason he is still there is thaat no-one has petitioned him yet?

So its basically your fault.

small chimp
Posted - 2010.03.20 17:43:00 - [59]
 

Yes but i personally think that the burden of proof has been fullfilled then when the log shows that the spammer is on 23/7. :(


Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.03.20 17:48:00 - [60]
 

Silly carebears - local is an intelligence gathering tool, not a communications medium!


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