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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
Posted - 2010.03.08 08:07:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Dalantech
As a former member of the military (US Navy) I can understand camping at a gate -classic choke point tactic.

Military experts are calling this a "classic choke point tactic."

pohh
Posted - 2010.03.08 10:32:00 - [62]
 

pvp is pvp , if i can get a kill by a gang i'll do it on the same note if i can get a kill solo i'll do it. eve is a pvp game. and if ya dont like it...well there is always hello kitty online :)

Mograph
Caldari
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
Posted - 2010.03.08 11:50:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Battle Dog
Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.




Gate camps are, and always will be one of the main arenas to fight at. The mechanics of them means they create choke points. The difference between a general PvPer and a Pirate is that PvP is one of the main ways to generate ISK. as such most pirates will want to maximise profits by making damn sure they are going to kill a target. either by outnumbering or using superior ships.

I can understand why some people would view the gateblobs most pirate corps use as rather overkill, but its simply a matter of ISK. Saying that, from my experience when the **** hits the fan, you will get decent fights from Pirate and for the most part plenty of gf's in local afterwards. we do appreciate the opportunity to fight on fair terms and win :D

Skallebank
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.03.08 11:51:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Skallebank on 08/03/2010 11:52:27
Totally agree with op. camping is gay unless for a purpose. Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring. rant over

signed
C&P fanboi
*edit missed an important comma.

Dianna Soreil
Monolithic.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2010.03.08 15:07:00 - [65]
 

this thread is awesome

also wtf about gatecamping being risk-free, i just don't get why the **** everyone says that when it's easy to prove time and time again that it's extremely risky

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.03.08 15:44:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Dianna Soreil
this thread is awesome

also wtf about gatecamping being risk-free, i just don't get why the **** everyone says that when it's easy to prove time and time again that it's extremely risky
There is as much risk involved in gatecamping as there is in hi sec L4 missions. If you know what you're doing in either of these then your risk becomes zero. If you don't know how to minimize your risk when gatecamping send me an evemail and I'll be glad to help you. Or post here what serious risk to gatecamping you're facing so I can tell you how to mitigate it.


Andrea Skye
Caldari
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2010.03.08 16:56:00 - [67]
 

HAHAHAHA RUBBERNECKS

FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2010.03.08 17:59:00 - [68]
 

Going to agree with my fellow pirates in that gate camps are generally akin to missions--mind numbingly boring but that one big score in the form of a loaded hauler or faction fit CNR makes experience worthwhile.

Larger numbers also reduce the risk of losses which can cut into profits e.g. similar in the way many predators hunt in packs to take down larger prey.

However I will add that many times you see 10 people piling onto a frig kill simply because its the first thing that has jumped in for hours. A symptom of a larger problem in low sec? You decide.


Battle Dog
Minmatar
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:05:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Dianna Soreil
this thread is awesome

also wtf about gatecamping being risk-free, i just don't get why the **** everyone says that when it's easy to prove time and time again that it's extremely risky


If you think gate camping is risky then you arnt doing it right...

Oli Robbo
Gallente
Entity.
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:13:00 - [70]
 



Originally by: Battle Dog


Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

BD



This and your other comments are true to a certain extent, Anyone can gate-camp and be successful enough at it to call themselves 'PVPers', but on the other hand anyone can form up a 30man gang and go blob the hell out of something and call themselves 'PVPers'.

The fact of the matter is, you don't know anything about skilled PVP until you go and roam either solo or in a gang with less than 8 people with the intention of fighting larger gangs. This and only this will test your PVP skills, your FC's ability to call targets, as well as your ability to manually orbit/allign out etc.

If you can do this and win, you can call yourselves Skilled PVPers.


Oli Robbo
Gallente
Entity.
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:23:00 - [71]
 



Originally by: Skallebank
Edited by: Skallebank on 08/03/2010 11:52:27
Totally agree with op. camping is gay unless for a purpose. Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring. rant over

signed
C&P fanboi
*edit missed an important comma.



Nail on the head.


Bfoster
Appetite 4 Destruction
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:44:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Ba'Rumph


You're still a noname nub, and your alliance is still crap, FYI.




This..

More Rubberneck tears pls..

Pellit1
Caldari
Fatality.
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:55:00 - [73]
 

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Sonsha Psy
Posted - 2010.03.08 19:01:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Sonsha Psy on 08/03/2010 19:35:36
Edited by: Sonsha Psy on 08/03/2010 19:06:06
I KEEL YOU ALL! btw, IM PSYcotic1 remember me Traps?

Devious - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
Posted - 2010.03.08 21:07:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
There is as much risk involved in gatecamping as there is in hi sec L4 missions. If you know what you're doing in either of these then your risk becomes zero.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Tides of War is a pirate corp in Placid and we hangout near Stacmon. People used to camp the Ost and Covryn gates out of Stac a fair amount a few years back but the trouble is they keep dying. That is because killing gate camps is one of the easiest ways to get fight in Eve and it is really easy - it is easier than gatecamping!

So you either wait until the gatecamp is killing someone or provide them a bait ship. Then while they are distracted you jump a couple of fairly tough ships into local and warp to the gate and get tackle on some expensive ****. The rest of the gang follows once you have tackle. Then you proceed to destroy the gate camp because gate camps are generally more concerned with catching people than fighting so don't hold up too well against an organised opponent. Also they tend to panic when caught off guard.

We don't gate camp as a rule because it is more fun killing gate camps. Trouble is finding one as people have learnt and they don't camp gates much around Stac anymore. Sad

Matrix I know you are "angry" at pirates and want to vent your spleen but it would help if you knew what you were talking about. As it is your posts on this forum are the dumbest I read. But don't stop posting because you are also one of the funniest posters on these forums.



Hector Biggz
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.03.08 21:19:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Battle Dog
Originally by: Hector Biggz
Edited by: Hector Biggz on 08/03/2010 00:04:51
So blobbing a Rifter is good PVP? Did you guys leave your missions to go after this?

Killboard link removed. Shadow.


this is the best you can do? if you choose to ignore the myrm and maller kills in the same engagement thats upto you if i was bothered would post links but im sure noone else is either

And as for running from a fight your crappy attempt at killing 3 ships with 15 was just fail, also as a side note for you when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.

Just one more point i dont recall you ***s even trying anything other than 'lets sit on station' until you managed to persuade your circle jerk buddies to come back to help. (did we upset you hector when you lost that hac and the recon so quickly)

Come back with something i give a **** about ****nut


Your emo rage tears fuel my cyno generator. Fed Intel station in Aeschee has the cleanest windows in Essence thanks to the Rubber Necks... They post more petitions than kill mails.

You fail (in game, don't want you to petition me), your Alliance fails (we have the KB to prove it) and we are all here to watch. Post on Eve Hero!

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.03.08 21:53:00 - [77]
 

No offense, but sounds like you fail at gatecamping.

Originally by: Yakov Draken
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

...So you either wait until the gatecamp is killing someone or provide them a bait ship. Then while they are distracted you jump a couple of fairly tough ships into local and warp to the gate and get tackle on some expensive ****.
First, if the gatecampers get "distracted" while killing 1 ship that sounds like fail #1. Second, how did these other "fairly tough ships" jump into local? Did they just magically appear? Or was your gatecamp making use of their alts to feed them intel on what was coming? If not, that's your fail #2 right there.

Quote:
The rest of the gang follows once you have tackle. Then you proceed to destroy the gate camp because gate camps are generally more concerned with catching people than fighting so don't hold up too well against an organised opponent. Also they tend to panic when caught off guard.
I highlighted in yellow the fail. It sounds to me like you're dealing with a bunch of distracted/panicked noobs. Distracted and panicked noobs also tend to lose ships in L4 missions. But it doesn't mean L4 missions are difficult. The same applies to gatecamping. Just because you're dealing with fail noob gatecampers doesn't mean it's hard. It just means they suck.

Quote:
We don't gate camp as a rule because it is more fun killing gate camps. Trouble is finding one as people have learnt and they don't camp gates much around Stac anymore. Sad
Sounds to me like the dumb gatecampers are finally catching on :P. Although there are still a hella lot noobish/lazy gatecampers out there. But it makes sense, lo sec gatecampers tend to be the lazy players looking for easy kills to begin with, so why would they gatecamp the right way to begin with if it requires you to use half of your brain?

Quote:
...But don't stop posting because you are also one of the funniest posters on these forums.
Thanks :D. But in all seriousness, just because there are lots of lazy gatecampers full of fail out there, and there are lots, doesn't mean that gatecamping is "difficult" or "risky". If you need tips just ask. Or send me an evemail. I'll give you some tips.


Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2010.03.08 21:58:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Battle Dog
Okay so i read these forums alot and it never cesses to amaze me that so many so called 'pirates' think there bad ass PVP experts becuase they can put 10 ships on a gate and pop anything that comes through. In most cases such camps carnt even do that and any semi-competent frig or AF pilot can get through. I have seen 25 man camps that couldnt catch a BS before.

To be honest i dont really consider gate camping PVP, what skills do you need to park ships on a gate and shoot haulers and noobs? Proper PVP experience comes from finding and catching your targets and manipulating situations so you have the advantage before the first shots are even fired.

And while im on the subject what ejoyment do you FW nublets get from beng part of a 50 man gang that does nothing but fly around aimlessy looking for people to gank or a gate to camp?

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.

Okay let the carebare whine and the 'f u im bad ass' flames begin...

BD


Oh Roughnecks. You never cease to entertain.

00sage00
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.03.08 22:05:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: 00sage00 on 08/03/2010 22:07:45
Originally by: Battle Dog

...when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.


You had an equal sized fleet and two carriers to our one. We sat at that planet for 15 minutes, yet you still were too afraid to fight us in your home system.

Backup? All we wanted was pewpew; we weren't even trying to hide. We made it quite clear in local:

slave chick > lets dance ladies
Spectre3353 > come to planet 6 you giant *******
Andrea Skye > p6 if u ******* wana fight
killer chick > i am at P6 in a carrier

And you're complaining that no one wants a good fight any more and that gatecamps are lame?

Originally by: Battle Dog

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.


Ba'Rumph
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.03.08 22:15:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Skallebank

Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring.


Missed the point there, did you? I'll explain again. The OP's combat record shows that he doesn't practice what he preaches. His kills aren't predominately solo ~goodfights~, but blobs and ganks just like everyone else. He has no place to speak. This has been my point all along.

Battle Dog
Minmatar
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
Posted - 2010.03.08 23:18:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Ba'Rumph
Originally by: Skallebank

Oh and to the troll, op's combat record looks fine to me if not overly impressive. Thing is real pvpers (as opposed to fleet pilots and gate campers and other ***gy types of pvp) don't generally get 1000's of kills a month and they can actually get alot of losses , since they generally fight outnumbered instead of just killwhoring.


Missed the point there, did you? I'll explain again. The OP's combat record shows that he doesn't practice what he preaches. His kills aren't predominately solo ~goodfights~, but blobs and ganks just like everyone else. He has no place to speak. This has been my point all along.



When did i ever say that all i did was 'good fights'? im not going to turn down a kill cause its not entertaining enough. Doesnt mean i carnt comment about people that think gates camps and 50 man blobs are the be all and end all of PVP

You on the other had carnt say **** cause your record is so pathetic my hauler alt can probally match it so why do you think you have a worthwhile opinion on the matter?

Lil Drake
Posted - 2010.03.08 23:20:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: 00sage00
Edited by: 00sage00 on 08/03/2010 22:07:45
Originally by: Battle Dog

...when you are trying to bait us with local smack you might want to not have your backup arrive in system and sit on a planet with carrier.


You had an equal sized fleet and two carriers to our one. We sat at that planet for 15 minutes, yet you still were too afraid to fight us in your home system.

Backup? All we wanted was pewpew; we weren't even trying to hide. We made it quite clear in local:

slave chick > lets dance ladies
Spectre3353 > come to planet 6 you giant *******
Andrea Skye > p6 if u ******* wana fight
killer chick > i am at P6 in a carrier

And you're complaining that no one wants a good fight any more and that gatecamps are lame?

Originally by: Battle Dog

I really think the vast majority of players dont understand the idea of good fights over 'that was great we were 50 on 1 and we won' The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing. If you have never experienced this then i can safely say that as far as i am concerned you are doing it wrong.




What you fail to mention is a Cyno fit and 20-40 caps ready including Supercarriers >_>, Sometimes its called being smart not to lose 2 carriers to such a trapugh

Kobrakilla
Invicta.
Posted - 2010.03.08 23:32:00 - [83]
 

HALP!!!! everything is a trap, where's my tinfoil hat.
They're watching me.... always watching

Ba'Rumph
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.03.08 23:54:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Battle Dog

When did i ever say that all i did was 'good fights'? im not going to turn down a kill cause its not entertaining enough. Doesnt mean i carnt comment about people that think gates camps and 50 man blobs are the be all and end all of PVP


In your OP you say this:

Originally by: OP
The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing.


Obviously this is a lie as very few of your kills are of that nature.

Originally by: Battle Dog

You on the other had carnt say **** cause your record is so pathetic my hauler alt can probally match it so why do you think you have a worthwhile opinion on the matter?


It isn't a question of 'opinion'. It's a question of your OP being so hypocritical it's not even funny (ok, it's a little bit funny), and your constant **** waving in this thread is uncalled for and worthy of ridicule.

The Jam
Amarr
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:03:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Arch Widowmaker
I consider gatecamping as a Pirate's PvE activity. Like missions, it's pretty boring and dosn't make you any better, but it does provide some nice isk if you can keep your gang size to a minimum.

This gatecamping is like human npcing :)Very Happy

Battle Dog
Minmatar
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:07:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Battle Dog on 09/03/2010 00:07:52
Originally by: Ba'Rumph
Originally by: Battle Dog

When did i ever say that all i did was 'good fights'? im not going to turn down a kill cause its not entertaining enough. Doesnt mean i carnt comment about people that think gates camps and 50 man blobs are the be all and end all of PVP


In your OP you say this:

Originally by: OP
The one and only reason i PVP is for the god fights that get that heart pumping and the adrenaline flowing.



Obviously this is a lie as very few of your kills are of that nature.

Originally by: Battle Dog

You on the other had carnt say **** cause your record is so pathetic my hauler alt can probally match it so why do you think you have a worthwhile opinion on the matter?


It isn't a question of 'opinion'. It's a question of your OP being so hypocritical it's not even funny (ok, it's a little bit funny), and your constant **** waving in this thread is uncalled for and worthy of ridicule.



If you dont like it go jump off a cliff your just talking out of your arse to be honest

Ba'Rumph
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:11:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Battle Dog
If you dont like it go jump off a cliff your just talking out of your arse to be honest


There's no need for you to go all teary eyed about it. Just don't be so gung-ho in your next thread. You could have expressed an opinion about gate camps while staying humble, but you chose to go all in with your **** waving and I was on hand to ask you to cover yourself.

Malacath Azaria
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:33:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Battle Dog

If you dont like it go jump off a cliff i'm just talking out of my arse to be honest


Fixed.


MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:38:00 - [89]
 

If you have arrive on a stargate
And I arrive on a stargate
...And I have dictor.

ARE YOU LISTENING?

Then my infinipoint goes acrrrrroooosss the grid, and tackles your ship.

I. CAMP. YOUR. GATE.
I CAMP IT UP!

Owen Drakkar
Bad...Karma
Posted - 2010.03.09 00:38:00 - [90]
 

Ok enough, its time. High noon out in front of the saloon, you two better be there. Back to back and walk your 30 paces, no cheating either, wouldn't put it past either of you. Razz


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