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NEMESIS SIN
Posted - 2010.03.08 03:39:00 - [121]
 

Oh, excuse me. I was looking for the bathroom.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.08 07:59:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/03/2010 08:19:19
Originally by: VAGABONDR

bizarre nonsense



Firstly, there is a difference between someone 'changing' their story (which I have not), and you just not understanding it in the first place. My point has been, and remains, that our alliance has extensive industrial operations in its home territory.

That industry is run by the corporations within the alliance, as it has to be, since there is no such independent entity as 'the alliance' - we are a collection of corporations. Within that, some of the industry is run to benefit the alliance, whilst most of it benefits individual corps (which in turn, benefits the alliance as people can afford to purchase and replace combat ships). So far, so simple...

Secondly, shared capitals are corp owned, personal caps are not. I know which one ownership model successful corps tend to operate, and which ownership model weaker corps with few capital ships tend to use. We tell our pilots: "don't buy your own dreadnought, the corporation will provide you with one when needed. If demand ever exceeds supply, we'll just buy more. If the dread gets lost, we'll buy a new one the same day."

Are you suggesting that this ownership model is less desirable and sustainable than people owning, and losing, personally funded dreads? Surely you are not really this stupid.

So no, we didn't go from 'sharing capitals' to 'owning multiple supercaps' since that statement is nonsense - we have always pooled our capitals and given them to any willing pilot, and we always have more than enough dreads available for anyone who wants to use one. Our supercapitals are no secret, plenty of people have enjoyed the taxi service, including members of your own corporation.

So, what part of what I say are you doubting? Or are you just floundering around trying to look relevant? You consistently prove one thing - you simply don't have the intellectual clout, or understanding of warfare in New Eden, to be anythign more than an irrelevent small roaming corp who kill lone sansha hunters. This is a shame.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 09:50:00 - [123]
 

11b leadership, particularly whoever is feeding conlin his lines, kindly think carefully if you'd like to continue making up lies that you weren't offered options on how to proceed in u'k. I had a number of very productive discussions with some of your leadership on the matter in fact.

Did I want you to show to CTA? yes. Would I have let you in without the agreement you would on my watch? No. But you were there when you were there so we work with what you have.

Your worth was based, by yourselves and by me on your ability to act as an insurgent force behind enemy lines. We all agree on that. The last conversation I had with your leadership gave you an option to play to your strengths and compromised along those lines. Your response was to throw it back in our face and reset us.

For those in 11b that haven't seen the relevant bit of log, I present you with the following :)

[ 2010.02.27 18:09:56 ] Sapphrine > any corp in u'k with a pass to this element of space holding is going to be considered as having preferential treatment unless their benefit is defined, communicated and accepted
[ 2010.02.27 18:10:33 ] Sapphrine > I accept that 11b have a benefit, i question if it is a benefit that others can't also provide whilst being more flexible in regard to fleet operations
[ 2010.02.27 18:11:09 ] Sapphrine > and if 11b want to take a pass on fleet ops i need to have some way to target their prowess in suppression / interdiction rather than it just being what they feel like shooting / interdicting
[ 2010.02.27 18:11:53 ] Sapphrine > equally, if 11b are willing to show for CTA's in some situations and are willing to work broadly towards our goals militarily that is also an avenue to look at
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:04 ] Sapphrine > i don't know how decisions are made in 11b
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:10 ] Pylse > See here we're getting to the interesting bit
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:25 ] Sapphrine > but take those thoughts back to the corp decision making process and come back with options is my intention here
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:44 ] Pylse > Well we already discussed a lot
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:53 ] Sapphrine > fair enough
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:56 ] Pylse > So we know what we are willing to compromise on, for the most part
[ 2010.02.27 18:12:58 ] Pylse > the deal is
[ 2010.02.27 18:13:09 ] Pylse > the alliance warfare part, cta's, the necessities of holding space etc
[ 2010.02.27 18:13:15 ] Pylse > this is what 11b did NOT sign up for
[ 2010.02.27 18:13:46 ] Pylse > And it's what we've been communicating (or atleast felt we have been communicating as it clearly has not come all the way to some people) that we are not interested in either
[ 2010.02.27 18:14:12 ] Pylse > So when U'K decide to this, it is a decision made outside us
[ 2010.02.27 18:14:17 ] Pylse > this we're fine with
[ 2010.02.27 18:14:23 ] Pylse > we don't want to police alliance calls
[ 2010.02.27 18:14:32 ] Pylse > but we wish to determine for ourselves what the alliance can include us in
[ 2010.02.27 18:14:45 ] Pylse > Capturing space, through cta's and shooting poses and all that
[ 2010.02.27 18:14:52 ] Pylse > isn't something we will be included in
[ 2010.02.27 18:15:11 ] Pylse > Anything we bring to alliance warfare will be through the interdiction and roaming etc you listed in the beginning
[ 2010.02.27 18:15:18 ] Pylse > that's what we are all about
[ 2010.02.27 18:15:51 ] Pylse > So the only real issue to determine is if this is a solid enough base for us to be part of U'K or not, if it isn't then there's not a lot we want to do
[ 2010.02.27 18:16:11 ] Pylse > We're not really interested in changing our style
[ 2010.02.27 18:16:14 ] Pylse > our identity
[ 2010.02.27 18:16:21 ] Sapphrine > ok I can see that
[ 2010.02.27 18:16:45 ] Sapphrine > equally i see that you wish to make that decision on a corp level as to what they're prepared to get involved in
[ 2010.02.27 18:17:02 ] Pylse > actually we let this be decided on a pilot level

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 09:56:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Sapphrine on 08/03/2010 10:03:11
Edited by: Sapphrine on 08/03/2010 09:57:26
[ 2010.02.27 18:17:13 ] Pylse > some guys, like myself dookes conlin occationally do cta's and fleet stuff
[ 2010.02.27 18:17:18 ] Pylse > but some guys don't want that at all
[ 2010.02.27 18:17:26 ] Pylse > this freedom we consider paramount
[ 2010.02.27 18:17:56 ] Sapphrine > so we get to the interdiction / skirmish element. atm if i was to look at the operations side / anywhere, i've got no way of knowing where you guys are focused. equally, i have no way of asking you where to focus
[ 2010.02.27 18:18:30 ] Pylse > Well we've so far to the best of our ability and also from chatting with karn tried to work this out
[ 2010.02.27 18:18:34 ] Sapphrine > so if we leave 11b at option cta's rather than mandatory, i need to have some other benefit to the alliance
[ 2010.02.27 18:18:38 ] Pylse > We attempt to hit places where we can have fun
[ 2010.02.27 18:18:50 ] Pylse > but also where it will be beneficial to hit
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:09 ] Pylse > I can understand your need to make up for that
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:24 ] Sapphrine > i need to be able to target you guys on things
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:41 ] Pylse > very well
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:48 ] Pylse > Then i will bring the result of this to the guys
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:54 ] Pylse > they will then decide
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:59 ] Sapphrine > and i need to know that your guys are actually willing to commit on that rather than just going where people feel like going
[ 2010.02.27 18:20:04 ] Sapphrine > equally though
[ 2010.02.27 18:20:16 ] Pylse > I will inform them of both these things

So based on that log, would anyone in 11b care to explain why you guys left if it wasn't because some of 11b leadership decided to give you a slanted view on what you were offered? From where I'm sitting, 11b were offered the ability to do what they liked doing but in a way that benefitted the alliance. They don't seem to have been willing to compromise to being directed by alliance leadership at all which makes them no use to u'k as an alliance.

Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2010.03.08 12:05:00 - [125]
 

This is IGS and not the appropriate place for chatlogs Sapphrine , you of all ppl should know better .
"If" , 11B leadership wish to discuss this further l,m sure they will be in touch and decide for themselves . After a brief inspection of those chatlogs , it seems to be a very small carefully chosen copy .
Copying & pasting chatlogs onto the Eve forums as you know is frowned upon , as they can be doctored , and admin get a tad annoyed .

Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
Posted - 2010.03.08 12:31:00 - [126]
 

I will say to Mad Bombers the same as what I said to the other corporations who left Ushra'Khan due to strategical differences (Wings of Maak, TRIAD, Valklear Guard):

Our paths may have diverged but our goals remain the same. The liberation of all who are enslaved. Ushra'Khan chooses its own path, you yours. Diversity is the nature of freedom. This should not make us enemies but if it must be so, then so be it.

Fly Free

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.08 12:58:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/03/2010 12:58:21
Originally by: Conlin
This is IGS and not the appropriate place for chatlogs Sapphrine , you of all ppl should know better .
"If" , 11B leadership wish to discuss this further l,m sure they will be in touch and decide for themselves . After a brief inspection of those chatlogs , it seems to be a very small carefully chosen copy .
Copying & pasting chatlogs onto the Eve forums as you know is frowned upon , as they can be doctored , and admin get a tad annoyed .


Of course it is a select cut and paste of chatlogs, it contains the most important parts and none of us need to read through reams of irrlevant data.

Face facts - we've called you out, you look like fools, and you're headed for nothing but irrelvance and obscurity. Enjoy.

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.03.08 13:55:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Ohh Yeah
A respectable response from Sapphrine.

Just try to stay inside the POS shields in the future m8.


no. because unlike you i'll make a more commited response to my entity instead of making pot shots over insignificant things. Well done on killing me in a Cerberus, I'm sure u'k as an entity will grind down and stop as a result. When you're putting the commitment and effort that all our command staff do into making U'K what it is along with our pilots then you can make snipes about people making mistakes. Otherwise, find something constructive to do with your time :)


I was just joking, but by all means do cry about it. I found your response very entertaining and full of bitter.

VAGABONDR
Posted - 2010.03.08 14:34:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: VAGABONDR on 08/03/2010 14:47:44
Originally by: Sapphrine

[ 2010.02.27 18:19:24 ] Sapphrine > i need to be able to target you guys on things
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:41 ] Pylse > very well
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:48 ] Pylse > Then i will bring the result of this to the guys
[ 2010.02.27 18:19:54 ] Pylse > they will then decide
.


That was the bottom line wasn't it. Saph felt the need to tell us where to operate, thank you for providing the chat log. We all recieved the message loud and clear and decided it wouldn't work because of the reasons below:

A: Telling a small group on what gate to sit in what system works for the first couple of kills then they bring a blob and we are done for the day, We arent interdicting next door to a 600 man back-up fleet.

B: our ability to know how to read interdiction routes and since we have lived with the enemy for months on end gives us the option of knowing when they stop using route a go to route b, staying on a gate doesnt make that possible, we have to be mobile.

C: Since the majority of our corp doesn't operate in your tz , our participation is very limited in the first place so we have to be even more choosey about our operation than normal.

D: It would require us to be on your fleet comms that to put it mildly are horrible, We don't feel the need to listen to endless miles of dribble or be screamed at and called idiots, frankly we are all experienced pilots and to listen to that kind of comms in a battle situation is something 11b just wont put up with.

E; do to our hidden logistics, We know what areas to operate in and through and how to get there, without that knowledge or experience you couldnt make a justifiable decision on how best to use our forces. Those logistics are put into place days before or even months before we operate in an area so a last minute "go interdict here" wouldn't work.

Many have said they can't see the benefit that 11b made during cta's, well thats understandable when you jb or titan bridge to your target area and dont travel gate to gate, but anyone flying through ervk, ul- or br- during the campaign for d-g could easily see the wrecks that piled up. 11B doesnt force CTA participation on its members because we live under a CTA every day, we lived in enemy space and killed there daily.

It finally boiled down to a trust issue saph, if you were not willing to live with an agreement that brought us to UK in the first place, was upheld by every other leader since the agreement went into place, then how could we trust you to not tell us next week "ok get in your caps you have to be under a approved fleet fc now and lord makk needs you".

So the bitter's can rant and the newer pilot can applaud but in the end you know and every other experienced pilot of UK knows it will hurt you in the end to not have 11b killing and working for the alliance.

Kozmic
Posted - 2010.03.08 14:42:00 - [130]
 

Once, during my travels, I chanced upon the remains of an ancient hull of unknown design. Nothing much remained except a few pages from an ancient book by somebody named "-- K. Jerome" - possibly a holy book of an extinct civilization. Among other things, it contained the following words of wisdom: "This is an imperfect world of joy and sorrow mingled."

I'm sad to see my former brothers in 11B do not realize that sometimes, sacrifice is necessary. They have chosen a path of selfishness and egoism.

Nevertheless, I wish them well - for their leaving made our alliance even stronger and more united.

Unity!

Dante Karaal
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 14:45:00 - [131]
 

*Dante glances at the recent GalNet broadcast and chuckles.

Classy leaving post boys, unintelligible as ever - I don't think I can bring myself to even find this offensive it's so myopic.

Anyone who has second thoughts about this ridiculous group statement (did you write it by committee? Laughing) and still considers themselves to be Ushra'khan when the dust has settled should get in touch, I suppose. In the meantime have fun in Etherium Reach.

I only hold grudges for slavers.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.08 15:37:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/03/2010 15:37:34
Originally by: VAGABONDR

UK knows it will hurt you in the end to not have 11b killing and working for the alliance.


Well according to you, we are the new Providence overlords, so what possible use would we have for a corp who just does their own thing randomly, whenever they feel like it?

A new pilot in a tackle rifter who turns up to CTA's does more to contribute to alliance goals than your entire corp.

Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 15:42:00 - [133]
 

Confirming I am an approved and experienced capital ship FC. My ops are win, we sit and talk **** instead of doing anything at all Cool


Really, go to whatever hell you have chosen to seek out, don't post anymore.

I'm just waiting for you to show up near us tbh, we lack Bops targets now that sylph is no more.

Oh and Conlin, instalock is non existant, its just you whom fail. But at least your GalNet trolling skills are better than your camp run skills.

Disv
Posted - 2010.03.08 16:15:00 - [134]
 

Someone said it best.... Selfish and inconsiderate. It makes me laugh that people can be so utterly for themselves and not for the greater good. Its very clear that you are all very selfish pilots and want to do your own thing, I can promise you that even tho you are professional "Ratter hunters". you wont be missed :)

VAGABONDR
Posted - 2010.03.08 16:30:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Lord Makk
Confirming I am an approved and experienced capital ship FC. My ops are win, we sit and talk **** instead of doing anything at all Cool


Really, go to whatever hell you have chosen to seek out, don't post anymore.

I'm just waiting for you to show up near us tbh, we lack Bops targets now that sylph is no more.

Oh and Conlin, instalock is non existant, its just you whom fail. But at least your GalNet trolling skills are better than your camp run skills.



Yes you are approved but experienced... well I guess your more expeienced than say a new cap toon but don't toot your own horn cause your record as a cap ship fc isnt much to be spoken about in terms of succseful operations. I do fully agree with the next line " you sit around and talk **** instead of doing anything at all."

What my post's hurt because they aren't flames or tooting my own horn so they don't give you ammo to flame, sorry...

Your bops gangs, lets see, lets get inside info from one of my red spies or worse yet a set up trap by a side swapping red and drop our bops on them, while slapping ourselves on the back for being so great at what we do... go take some lessons fron DNS if you want to know how real bops work, if they will show you.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 17:00:00 - [136]
 

What I asked 11b to do is do what they'd been doing but allow the alliance to direct it. I also indicated that 11b leadership would need to be involved in the decision making process to ensure the goals were viable. Which bit of that makes you think you'd just get camped on a single gate?

A corp that wants nothing to do with the alliance goals and is unwilling to work in that alliances framework has no place in that alliance. If the decision was come to amicably and you guys had decided to leave absolutely no one in leadership would have thought worse of 11b. People change, alliances change, not everything can remain the same, we all know that.

What has happened in this thread was not just a corp leaving, its a corp riling at the fact that the alliance they were in changed and the terms of their involvement changed. You were unwilling to adapt and were very clear about it. We gave a compromise that was massively in your favour and would arguably have caused me headaches with the corps that do fully commit to holding our space. You were unwilling to take that. You could have left with grace, instead you leave looking like a collective child throwing its toys out of the pram.

Would we be better off with 11b on side? yes. Will it really impinge on our ability to continue as an alliance? No chance. We'll adapt and cover the gap. It's hardly like finding roamers in u'k is a problem :)

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 17:16:00 - [137]
 

bye bye.

..oh.. one question, what was the point of this post?

couldnt you just leave as part of the normal fluctuation. Is the bad blood spilling
really beneficial to anyone but the slavers who watch this with interest?

I am sad and disappointed. But i am not worried.

Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:15:00 - [138]
 

Why don't you come over and find out just how efficient our Bops gangs are?

If you really think you'll even have a chance to shoot down the bridge ship, you are delusional.

Much like the posting going on here that you were of any use, utterly delusional. You absorbed some of our best pilots and turned their heads with your elitism.

Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought.

Pr0 tip : Sapphrine alliance leader, best alliance leader.

VAGABONDR
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:25:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Lord Makk
Why don't you come over and find out just how efficient our Bops gangs are?

If you really think you'll even have a chance to shoot down the bridge ship, you are delusional.

Much like the posting going on here that you were of any use, utterly delusional. You absorbed some of our best pilots and turned their heads with your elitism.

Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought.

Pr0 tip : Sapphrine alliance leader, best alliance leader.



Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway?

Black Necris
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:43:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Black Necris on 08/03/2010 18:53:10
Originally by: VAGABONDR
Originally by: Lord Makk
Why don't you come over and find out just how efficient our Bops gangs are?

If you really think you'll even have a chance to shoot down the bridge ship, you are delusional.

Much like the posting going on here that you were of any use, utterly delusional. You absorbed some of our best pilots and turned their heads with your elitism.

Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought.

Pr0 tip : Sapphrine alliance leader, best alliance leader.



Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway?



Are you aiming at becoming the next bitterdog? i think this thread had run its course, any more talk would result on people thinking that we are forum warriors, and we don't want such an elite force as mad bombers to be called that do we?

All that had to be said has been said, now do we dance or don't?

(edit: many of my typos /me waves fist at grammar police)

VAGABONDR
Posted - 2010.03.08 18:53:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Black NecrisLets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought.

Are you aiming at becoming the next bitterdog? i think this thread had run its course, any more talk would result on people thinking that we are forum warriors, and we don't want such an elite force as mad bombers to be called that do we?

All that has to be said had been said, now do we dance or don't?[/quote



Slamming your own alliance mates? very nice alliance your turning into, glad we left when we did. As far as dancing goes, no fears as soon as we feel we have had an honorable amount of time for hostilities to begin and UK keeps taking on more and more slavers with no remorse, I am sure you will see our return. But I still want to hear from makk just how good a cap fc he feels he is?

Black Necris
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2010.03.08 19:03:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Black Necris on 08/03/2010 19:03:31
Originally by: VAGABONDR
Originally by: Black Necris
Lets cut the crap, fly down to us if you dare, fly down and die. You'll find that theres far more competent pilots than you ever thought.

Are you aiming at becoming the next bitterdog? i think this thread had run its course, any more talk would result on people thinking that we are forum warriors, and we don't want such an elite force as mad bombers to be called that do we?

All that has to be said had been said, now do we dance or don't?


Slamming your own alliance mates? very nice alliance your turning into, glad we left when we did. As far as dancing goes, no fears as soon as we feel we have had an honorable amount of time for hostilities to begin and UK keeps taking on more and more slavers with no remorse, I am sure you will see our return. But I still want to hear from makk just how good a cap fc he feels he is?



Lest just say that from my part i think the need for honorable time for hostilities is bull...

On the other hand your trolling leaves much to desire, and you fail to put your money where your mouth is. First your representatives are silent here, which indicates to me that either this is a done deal for them and they had moved on or they decided to do the talk the way they know best.

You are the only one still talking, but somehow i don't expect you to your corp spokesman. What i can tell you is that if you are ready to jump so are we, so leave the talk aside, and lest start the dance already.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.08 19:39:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: VAGABONDR


Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway?


Yes yes, come down in your vagabonds and cripple our alliance. I promise not to drop half a dozen supercarriers on your 4 man roaming gang, and I definately will not DD you for lulz.

Mattduk
Gallente
Universal Army
Posted - 2010.03.08 19:40:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: VAGABONDR
Edited by: VAGABONDR on 07/03/2010 23:20:20
Just so butter doesnt confuse the topics of this mini thread inside the larger thread lets take a moment and recap:

Conlin states that UK has little to no industry backbone as an alliance and can't afford to hold all the sov they have grabbed

butter retorts with a lengthy(as normal) post that Uk is very strong his corp makes 15 billion a month in profit and the reactions are to numerous to count since his corp joined.

vaga points out to butter that with the moons they hold (as he has seen the list and knows what rent they pay) there is no way, even taking raw mins to finished product to market he couldn't be profiting 15 bil isk per month. If he is then maybe he is holding back from the alliance coffers as they are almost always looking for isk.

Butter responds (with a basic lecture on how to earn isk on a corp level) that I just don't understand his 15 bil a month doesnt come from moon minerals alone based on UK industry, they make money in all kinds of way, then shares the information that his corp is soooo good that they even buy capitals for his corp to share

Vaga points out that butter has changed his story then and he should be ashamed for not sticking to one story. hence providing us all with the knowledge that butter will change facts to fit his point.


butter then responds how in his first post it was uk alliance isk now its corp isk and I should know the difference between corp functions and alliance function(going into another vast lecture on how the isk system works with a war machine alliance) and states that his corp spends there 15 bil a month buying capitals for corp, hence helping the war effort

vaga (thinks to himself ... hmm wonder how many capitals butter has had to replace I dont recall seeing many losses on the kb of capitals and they do share them amongst corp members) but vaga pushes on and shows butter once again how a changing story doesnt help his case and advises him to stop posting while he is ahead... but no.

Butter responds yet again with another lesson on how things work and how all the isk has to be considered alliance industry, hence all the isk produced is considered for the alliance.

Vaga thinks, gee thats four stories all about a rambling that had nothing to do with the initial point, "the alliance doesnt have the isk to support its sov holdings when the bills come do", but butter is covering his tracks on how to explain his statement that his corp makes a profit of 15 billion isk per month.

In the meantime butter opens mouth and inserts foot by stating that some corps in alliance are more important than others.. Of course we(11b) arent important anymore we arent in the alliance. I do have to wonder what other members of others corps in UK think of that statement though.

In closing butter, because thats what I am going to do as I have already raised two children and learned that you can't argue or reason with a child (they change their story to fit the arguements as well), I will just say thank you once again for allowing me to make an example of you. It gives everyone the benefit of knowing why people should always stick to known proveable facts when posting.Wink

and ps butter dont tell us you went from sharing cap to ordering multiple super caps all in one day? my god you are an isk making machine....


Probably going to get yelled at by my 2IC for this, but....

You're an idiot.

Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.09 01:15:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: VAGABONDR
Is that the best you can do? what no more telling us how great of a cap fc you are, I really want to hear more about it, just how high above a nub cap pilot do you place yourself anyway?


On a whole cliffside above u. Now you've heard it, time for the final question.....


U mad?

Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.09 02:25:00 - [146]
 

Please, enough of the ****ing contest, this thread started bad and is now terrible.

Take it to space.

UVPhoenix2
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.03.09 03:59:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Please, enough of the ****ing contest, this thread started bad and is now terrible.

Take it to space.


hehe

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.03.10 18:45:00 - [148]
 

Hahaha. This thread has kept me oh-so entertained. It seems rather apparent that when CVA is long gone and U'K has moved in, Provi will become an even better place to roam.

Provibloc adapted to dealing with and catching reds over the course of what, 6 years? Hell, -A- isn't even that fantastic at defending their own space. If they were, Garmon wouldn't still be roaming HED in his Mimir.

In my opinion, Ushra'khan will be even less reponsive to neutral and red threats, especially if the great CAPTAIN DIRKA isn't there to lead them into battle.

But yes Butter, Im sure there's more than a few people that wouldn't mind you dropping a Titan on a roaming HAC gang (just ask Gelo Breen amirite?)

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.10 19:25:00 - [149]
 

The thought of your roaming ~wolfpax~ truly terrifies me.

Ravenariel
Caldari
BlazingAngels
Posted - 2010.03.10 23:16:00 - [150]
 

(Takes the 'Late to the Party' Award)

Mad Bombers were actually scarier to deal with than the supercap fleets. When intel reported they were on the move plans had to be changed and/or cancelled. The disruptions caused security holes while fleets had to re-ship and change tactics to fight the Bombers. I gather theres a lot of issues between the parties involved that I wont even pretend to understand or try to get in the middle of.

I do however take exeption to ppl knocking them as not being useful in the provi campaign. I can say from personal experience The Mad Bombers are fustrating and devious opponents. They helped to effectively demoralize your enemy. Ok, so they didnt do CTAs and pickup a wrench to turn the cranks of your war machine. Instead they took the wrenches and helped break proviblocks war machines which made your fleets job easier. So they did support you just not in a direct way. Such fighters can be difficult to manage for some, maybe it was impossible...I dont know that.

Good luck Mad Bombers and good fights! :respect:


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