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EagleKnight11B
Caldari
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2010.03.06 13:36:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Tirke
To be fair, eagleknight is legitimately ******ed, he is deserving of our pity and alms, maybe his implants are malfunctioning.

But in response to nos, and conlin - You guys have been in 11b for 1 month? Everyone can see that, you joined got some bug up your butt about how cool it was just to roam and kill random pilots, then got mad at the alliance for taking your "services" for granted? Like we would have been inundated with ratters and lost all our footholds in provi if you didnt go on your 3 man roams.

I understand, you guys have a tight knit pvp gang, thats cool for you, I used to fly in one of those as well. But dont be spiteful against the alliance because they made your sandbox smaller by fulfilling long term goals. Everyone in UK is celebrating and 11b is sitting in the corner pouting wishing things hadnt changed...


So why did you leave UK?

You were sitting in the corner crying when we did not accept you into our gang.

Funny how that works.

UK. Bottom line is this. Cry, cry, cry all you want. We are now coming for you; of course after we eat some tacos and drink some beer, but we will be coming for your fat Provi butt!

Right now all you ladies are acting like tough guys because you run huge gangs. When that wears off, we will be there. We will let the guns do the talking. I really find it funny how much trash you have been talking since you taken space at the expense of -A- and others. Not just internally, but in COAD and IGS.

It really does not mean much to me. I actually get a kick out of it, because in the end--you will face the barrel of our guns. Do not be mislead, 11B are very good group of pilots, so your smack talk about meeting us in space holds no ground: You will die!

I am done posting here. I am not going to wish you luck, because you do not have it.

I wish you death!

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.06 13:36:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: EagleKnight11B

The difference between you and us is that we never gave up or let down on the fight against Providence. Even in the snowstorm when it seemed impossible, 11B kept fighting.


Let me break this down into components you might understand.

Firstly, far from 'giving up', my corporation fully supported the move into UK becoming an entity which could do more than 'just roam'. We acquired considerable numbers of caps and supercaps, we established the bridge network and POS infrastructure, we attended CTA's as well as roams - and as a result, achieved VASTLY more kills against the ProvidenceBloc every single month compared than your coporation. This was on top of our committment to managing UK infrastructure, to enable the alliance to gain ISK which would ultimately fuel a full-scale war against CVA.

By every single measure, my corporation utterly outperformed yours. So, don't claim we had 'given up' simply because we looked to the long-term. Unlike you, we had realistic goals and the means of realising them. We knew how to destroy Providence. We knew we had to become stronger, more capable, more intelligent. And we did.

Now, I'm not one to come onto Galnet as shout 'hur hur we are better than you'. Remember who started this thread. But what I will not do is accept critisism which is delusional and unfounded. I will call you out on it.

If you had your way, UK would never have claimed space, never have established infrastructure to support our war economy, never sided with Against All Authorities, and never achieved anything other than roaming around in vagabonds killing sansha hunters. We'd still be in Curse or lowsec, and slavery and the CVA would still be untouched in Providence.

You have completely failed to see the bigger picture, and this public cry of emotion just smells of desperate attention seeking. Your corporation is, as far as I am concerned, now an irrelevancy.

We discussed your departure on our corporate message board, and one of my fellow directors put it best:

Originally by: corp forum


when I heard they would be leaving I was sad, thankfully that galnet message solved that for me, now I can only say good riddance you delusional self righteous ****tards

also, lol at them "fighting in the trenches", they did only what was fun for them, when it pleased them, where it pleased them, the people really fighting in the trenches are the ones showing up for the CTAs to do the gritty, laggy, dirty and often boring fleet work that really accomplishes objectives instead of just messing around dont get me wrong

I too like roaming or small scale warfare more then fleet warfare, but I also see that the best way to really hurt someone is to take their stations

they say U'K changed not them, I say U'K was serious about its goals and - to reiterate that metaphor in a place where it actually fits - willing to "fight in the trenches" for it, 11B was not, they were only prepared to do what pleases them most regardless of higher goals they now so ludicrously invoke in their little ****post on galnet



You've burnt your bridges.

See you in space.

Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 13:56:00 - [63]
 

As a sidenote: while 11B lived two weeks in 9UY with damaged facilities they were unable to repair any of the services. My corporation (being the one that actually put the first step into Unity after recapturing) was able to rep them during heavy sov warfare in J6 and Aegis space - pretty sure there is a difference between claiming to be important and being responsible.

Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2010.03.06 13:59:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Conlin on 06/03/2010 14:01:17
Butter for someone who has little opinion or little worry about our departure , you seem to have a lot to say , as usual !!.
Will U'K pilots be banned from posting in here also ,for your participation only ?.
The usual faces & names are here putting 11B down , the same type such as Towelieban , who dived in head first without thinking , demanding we be set red .
Then afterwards asking why we left , engage brain first before having an opinion .
Those that are supporting us , matter more than a select few who never liked 11b's success's & tactics .
I do not intend to hunt U'K , unless provoked , and as you new U'KProvi know too well , when provoked you best dive for cover fast !! Wink
This topic has run its course , and Archie please stop trying to hijack this post ....get yer own Wink
Forlorn yes you may have repped the services , but Providence came daily to unrep them , and who was it that fought Providence daily and repped them again ?.
Correct 11B !!.
Everyone have a good day now & fly safe.....ish .


Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.06 14:17:00 - [65]
 

I don't recall putting your corp down before. I saw this galnet transmission and responded appropriately.

You get what you deserve from me, nothing more.


Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.06 14:20:00 - [66]
 

"Happiness is measured not by what you hold in your hand, but in your heart"
St. Ageroth

I believe 11B is trying to point out that Ushra'Khan is in danger of focusing more on what they hold in their hands, rather then what they hold in their heart.

The UK story has typical parallels to the story of a slave. Like a slave, Ushra'Khan lived under the roof of a (kind but stern) master: Against All Authorities. They were forced to please their master in hopes of receiving food and adopted their master's principles to a large extent (90% NBSI, 10% NRDS). But soon they began to respect their master, and the master started to trust its servant. Their relationship proved mutually beneficial. Now the day has come that UK feels ready to leave its master's house and strike out on their own. But are ready? Will they be able to resist the lure of wealth and recognition? Will the hard lessons they had to learn during their years as mere servants and slaves be erased in a matter of weeks and months?

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.06 14:28:00 - [67]
 

Yes, as we remove CVA from providence we're in danger of losing out anti-slavery ideals Rolling Eyes

Lazlo Canaletto
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 14:34:00 - [68]
 

I, myself, can relate to some of the facts that have been thrown out here by the 11B's. But I see them as short sighted, stubborn and not thought thorough. But I think that's a part of the story.

But still, the openly hostile way of getting ones goals out has been all but respectful. 11B, I have respected you as what you've been done in the past, but as many have stated, that respect has vaned quite a bit. Although you have some former members of my corporation, doesn't move the opinion to the way or the other. I just hope that your small crusade will get a hold of sense.

To me it just seems that the goals of U'K are next to nothing to you and you just want "easy" pickings close by, so you wouldn't need to drag yourselves to some other "more active area" -considering challenging fights. As the first post by Conlin was not an eye-opener, not even near being one. If insulting was the goal of it, it was succesful.

But still, I fail to see the reason. And you fail to give valid points...

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.03.06 14:54:00 - [69]
 

buhu peopel blew up the services.

i think its fair you spent time repairing them as you seams to have alot of time on your hands while the rest of us was on ctas

Towelieban
Minmatar
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 15:11:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Conlin
The usual faces & names are here putting 11B down , the same type such as Towelieban , who dived in head first without thinking , demanding we be set red .
Then afterwards asking why we left , engage brain first before having an opinion .
Those that are supporting us , matter more than a select few who never liked 11b's success's & tactics .


In this thread is the first time I've ever said anything negative or against 11B, in fact on our forums, I was not only the 1st to respond, but responded with a very genuine:

Quote:
man... hate to see you guys go. Really I do. Whatever reason it is, fly well gents !!


Then I saw this backstabbing post, responded here, asked to see you put red based on your threat towards us (a few posts below your initial one if you recall) You call that head first?? I call that necessary defensive measures. I never asked, and I don't care why you left... in fact my initial mail to you after posting here was:

Quote:
You have surprised me Conlin, I joined UK because of you and a handful of other soloists I watched for so long in catch and provi. I don't know your reasons why you left, or your reasons for such hate, I just wish it had not gone down the way you led it down.


You see me asking son? Flame away with your nonsense.


I'm done here, I've broken my own personal rule of not posting on public forums too many times already. Confused


Tryptic Photon
Gallente
Mad Bads
Posted - 2010.03.06 15:11:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Tryptic Photon on 06/03/2010 15:12:06
Originally by: Butter Dog
If you had your way, UK would never have claimed space, never have established infrastructure to support our war economy, never sided with Against All Authorities, and never achieved anything other than roaming around in vagabonds killing sansha hunters. We'd still be in Curse or lowsec, and slavery and the CVA would still be untouched in Providence.


If we had had our way, UK would've never utterly sold out it's ideals in the name of progress.

Slurp up hundreds of 2-bit slimey slavers to fatten your ranks? After mocking them for years? NO

NAP the very slavers who held our people? To save yourself a few hours of system cleaning? NO

Build a culture of fat lazy carebears who develop space that only exists because of papa bear's protection? NO

But, as the spokesperson for a PVP alliance with the battle record of a short-bus toddler, you are proud of what you've "accomplished". Please spend more time sitting in station while the real warriors fight and die in the trenches. You couldn't be more out of touch with the modern battlefield.

Yes, you've accomplished so much. It only cost UK every single principle it's claimed to hold sacred.


Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 15:13:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Lord Makk on 06/03/2010 15:15:28
We have never napped our true enemy. You are flowing over with bull Tryptic.

Ninja edit : I believe the strategic values brought together by Butter and the other people who involve themselves in such activites, hold more significant value to Ushra'Khan than a set of people that hold themselves in such a high regard while infact contributing closer to zero on the greater strategic level.

How can you even spew this much crap?


Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 15:16:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Ugleb on 06/03/2010 15:20:01
I will keep this simple.

In order to liberate an entire region, you need a war machine.

To build that war machine, you need ISK.

To get that ISK, you need infrastructure.

To fight an enemy as vast as the Providence bloc, you need allies.

We have been building that war machine, we have been building that infrastructure in Catch, we have been gathering those allies now seen in Providence.

Those stations falling before us? Each of them a liberation, each of them the act of freeing thousands, driving the slaver and his allies out. We are liberating that region, we are freeing those slaves. We are coming for our people.

We have betrayed nothing. We are fighting the war that the cause demands we fight, with the weapons needed for victory. We have freed more in a month than in the past two years. What else would you have of us?

Edit - typo. P.S. Didn't read whole thread.

Dalv Fliteo
Stainwagon. Holding Corporation
Stainwagon.
Posted - 2010.03.06 16:33:00 - [74]
 

*Puts on his emo hat*

Screw you all!

Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 16:47:00 - [75]
 

Agreeing or not with your reasons I say one thing, farewell to those who did fight alongisde the rest of us to free our people and may you have luck in your endeavors.

U'K changed, you didn't like it or you had your other motives, fair enough.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.03.06 17:02:00 - [76]
 


All in all an interesting situation. I have to believe we will see more of this within the Ushra'Khan as their campaign continues. Certain factions will embrace the "homesteading" lifestyle where they establish POS, create industry, move in and settle down. Meanwhile other factions will continue to embrace combat and seek to free their kind. It is only inevitable that one group will grow to resent the other.

Madbombers are merely the first of many we'll see put into this position. I have to believe -A- has no desire to occupy Providence long term and likewise don't believe they have the stomach for a year after year long war. UK on the other hand won't give up the fight as an alliance but will see individuals within that alliance seek their own goals and rewards as time goes on. Then when those goals are reached others will become resentful as has happend here.

Perhaps this is evidence enough of the need for firm Amarrian leadership and the benefits of slavery for the Minmatar. When they were slaves they didn't have to worry about things like maintaining an infrastructure, creating an industrial base, supplying food and medical care to their citizens. Like it or not Providence has survived longer then most other regions of space as a safe harbor for neutral pilots. I can think of no other alliance that has done as much for the cause of free travel and commerce.

Archbishop

Kra RA
Posted - 2010.03.06 17:13:00 - [77]
 

"Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are." UK seems has some close friends.

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.03.06 17:35:00 - [78]
 

Someone has to make sure that U'K has a respectable killboard.

Now they move into Provi where the hunter becomes the hunted.

They didn't want that corp anyways, right?

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.06 17:41:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Tryptic Photon

If we had had our way, UK would've never utterly sold out it's ideals in the name of progress.



UK's ideals are the end of slavery, and the removal of the CVA slaver regime from Providence - by any means necessary.

I don't know what ideals you thought we had, but clearly you're somewhat confused and will be much happier persuing your own selfish agenda.


Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.06 17:50:00 - [80]
 

11b, enjoy your new found freedom, it has become quite obvious over the past months that you were not fitting in anymore. U'K used to be only about the roaming but I don't think it was hidden that we were always aiming to take on Providence head eventually and to do that we would need to take and hold space. For an alliance our size we hold quite a spartan number of systems but the open refusal to get involved in that element makes it impossible for you to continue in u'k.

If you ever want a reference feel free to contact other command staff for personal references. I can attest to the individual pilot skills in 11b. I can attest to your prowess in small gang warfare, inserting deep behind enemy lines and raising havoc. But as an entity capable of actually projecting meaningful force in 0.0? Don't be ridiculous. Your pilots are given free reign to follow corporation orders let alone alliance. I really can't see many 0.0 alliance being able to find a home for you which doesn't just make you look like a group of pilots wanting all the fun of fighting on a side in a war without any of the effort to hold that side.

Good luck in what you do in the future but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.03.06 17:56:00 - [81]
 

A respectable response from Sapphrine.

Just try to stay inside the POS shields in the future m8.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.07 01:03:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Ohh Yeah
A respectable response from Sapphrine.

Just try to stay inside the POS shields in the future m8.


no. because unlike you i'll make a more commited response to my entity instead of making pot shots over insignificant things. Well done on killing me in a Cerberus, I'm sure u'k as an entity will grind down and stop as a result. When you're putting the commitment and effort that all our command staff do into making U'K what it is along with our pilots then you can make snipes about people making mistakes. Otherwise, find something constructive to do with your time :)

Nathvas
Posted - 2010.03.07 03:52:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Tryptic Photon
Edited by: Tryptic Photon on 06/03/2010 15:12:06
Originally by: Butter Dog
If you had your way, UK would never have claimed space, never have established infrastructure to support our war economy, never sided with Against All Authorities, and never achieved anything other than roaming around in vagabonds killing sansha hunters. We'd still be in Curse or lowsec, and slavery and the CVA would still be untouched in Providence.


If we had had our way, UK would've never utterly sold out it's ideals in the name of progress.

Slurp up hundreds of 2-bit slimey slavers to fatten your ranks? After mocking them for years? NO

NAP the very slavers who held our people? To save yourself a few hours of system cleaning? NO

Build a culture of fat lazy carebears who develop space that only exists because of papa bear's protection? NO

But, as the spokesperson for a PVP alliance with the battle record of a short-bus toddler, you are proud of what you've "accomplished". Please spend more time sitting in station while the real warriors fight and die in the trenches. You couldn't be more out of touch with the modern battlefield.

Yes, you've accomplished so much. It only cost UK every single principle it's claimed to hold sacred.




I guess I would be one of those "2-bit slimey slavers" because I was once a member of a corp that was in BOTS a ally CVA, and Slyph. At least was when I was part of it. I was glad when my corp joined UK. Meant I could gain vegence against against CVA and Slyph for when they Betrayed BOTS. For me, this fight against CVA and Slyph is personal. As it is with many of my fellow corpmates. Yes we're not a pure pvp, we're a industrial/pvp hybrid. We build, we fight, we adapt.

And you decry us taking sov and forming a homeland. What is wrong with that? UK long ago had a homeland in providence. I don't need to tell you way 9UY is so important. You've been fighting under the UK banner ten times longer then me. To say we're growing fat is absurd. I have benefited as much as the next UK warrior in the development of our Nation, yet I am not rich, nor am I fat. My riches go to the purchase of war materials. In the last month I have made a few hundred mill yet my wallet is no bigger. Why is that? Its because I purchase replacement fighters for my carrier, donations to the alliance war chest, and the purchasing of weapons I cannot build. The carrier I fly is also mine, not the corps, not the alliances. Its mine. So when she jumps into battle, wearing the fist with pride and ready to die for the liberation of Providence, it is this so called fat carebear that will feel the hit of herloss the most for I built her with my own two hands.

You fight the old style UK fights. While its effective in causing the enemy pain and grief and still has its place even now, it simply does not work for UK's goal of liberating providence. Attacking miners and the lone Battleship or two isn't enough to liberate Providence. To liberate Providence we need armadas of fleets, not lone ships or small squadrons. UK has grown from a few tribes hiding in the mountains to a full fledge nation with its own army.

And while you have your reasons to perhaps to hate the alliance leadership or council, I know I never done anything against you while in UK and I'm sure many in UK haven't harmed you in any way. If you wish to take your tribe back to the mountains, all right thats fine with me. If you had simply said "Do to our own personal views, we wish to leave UK to fight our own way against slavers" I would have saluted you and wished you well. But you did not. You did something, I a ex-2-bit slimy slaver, would never do, and that is Slap and spit your in former comrades face.

Black Necris
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2010.03.07 04:33:00 - [84]
 

I remember sharing lots of fights with several of your pilots, we destroyed Fang as BWL, we joined Cry Havoc, things went sour but still i had lots of respect and admiration for you and of your small fleet warfare tactics.

Reading this statement really saddens me, you spit on the face of every single pilot that admired you, and supported you. All this years of friendship and laughs, and you have to come here with this statement... a shame... a ****ing shame...

Everyone knows you are doing this so you can have targets to shot at, at least have the ****ing balls to say the things the way they are, don't ****ing dare to tarnish our reputation just so you can have your ****ing fun...

Dogbeast
Minmatar
Darkwave Technologies
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.03.07 05:18:00 - [85]
 

Good luck in the future 11b. I always respected your pilots for your skill and commitment.

Ushra'Khan, look at the bright side. The target pool of Providence has gotten larger.

Oh, and at least 11b didn't pull a Shadowandlight on you...Confused

VAGABONDR
Posted - 2010.03.07 05:57:00 - [86]
 

As a relatively "new" member to 11b and to Uk alliance when the decision came down to leave, I can't post on what has happened over the last 5 years, However I can speak of just before the provi campaign and during said campaign.

11b was when I joined to have one mission approved by UK leadership, We provided full time(lived in hostile space)harassment and hardship to our enimies. We did this with a vengance. I personally never saw a UK or-A- jb or station in three months. To say we only picked on miners is simply silly, unless you can mine from carriers. To say we had no hand in breaking the provi block is even more silly, just contact Kelb from sylph and ask him if 11b wasn't one of the single most important reason they folded from the provi block. Or perhaps contact one of the tracer group guys and ask them why they left sylph?..We had a decisive part in breaking down the provi block.

UK industry...I have been heavy in industry for years, I have miles of experience at everything from market experience to complex reactions, When I enquired to 11b as to why we werent doing any industry they pointed me to the UK forums on Moons, simply put it is a joke to see the alliance level of input was simply, "type a moon cost x amount to rent".. You all need to have a lesson from severence when you jump into one of thier systems and see 23 complex reaction pos's. This was reinforced to me as I watched in alliance chat as leadership begged for donations to buy a large pos for one of the systems you were trying to grab sov in. Simply put, to say that your great war machine is run by UK industry is a joke. I am awaiting the days when the sov bills come do for all the systems you ran around and "captured" at great cost to your pilots and will love to see how your great industrial based war machine alliance is going to pay for them.

9uy...Unity station, The jewel of UK, all the talk I listened to about the day when UK would reclaim this and how our struggle was based on the loosing of it before I arrived. It was taken, a great day for UK, but then it was empty. We held the station but the reds still held the control of the system, even with working pos's being refueled and serviced daily, the station services couldn't even be used as no one could be bothered with repairing them or taking the bubbles off anything but the undock at the station. The reds got daily kills from pilots trying to dock...I personally thought "how can UK run off and grab another system before securing their home system?". to rectify this I put a emo rage post on 11b forums and we then, with the help of the few alliance pilots living in 9uy took down the bubbles, repped the pvp services and moved into 9uy. As our kb stats climbed, suddenly we had more alliance members living there and making kills, now its a held and protected system, end result is directly from 11b efforts. A simple fact.

Everything above is from a relatively new member with no personal grudges against anyone in UK. It comes from vast experience in industry and pvp with a few different alliances. It is simple facts that can all be backed up from outside sources or through your own forums.

Why did 11b leave UK and post our(corp wide approved) thread, we left because UK upper leadership wanted us to change what we feel was our most effective way to contribute

Vaga


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UVPhoenix2
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.03.07 06:09:00 - [87]
 

A lot of blood, sweat, and tears in this thread.

Dessie Enta
Caldari
Breach Allied Industries
Posted - 2010.03.07 06:20:00 - [88]
 

11b represent everything that is weak within the minmatar people. No stomach for a prolonged fight. They cut an run at the first sign of needing to make an effort beyond terrorizing the weak Laughing

Soon you will be slaves again Laughing

Black Necris
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2010.03.07 06:30:00 - [89]
 

You fail to realize that the war against CVA is not over... and there are more important matters than securing a single system, even if it holds Unity station... like erradicating CVA entirely from Providence. Its simply STUPID to claim UK betrayed their ideals, what are we doing as we speak? we are removing the most known Amarr loyalist alliance from their "reclaimed" space! what is this fight all about from day one? liberating the slaves and killing the slavers... and what are we doing?. I just feel sorry for those that are caught between this move.


VAGABONDR
Posted - 2010.03.07 07:44:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Black Necris
You fail to realize that the war against CVA is not over... and there are more important matters than securing a single system, even if it holds Unity station...



Very true, I agree with you the war is not over and saying this, let me pose a few questions to you. If you are a general of a army and you have a group of special forces trained killers that can operate behind enemy lines and disrupt the flow of war materials and pilots to the battlefield, do you pull them away from that, hand them a club, and say "join our mob and go kill the enemy my way because I want you to"? I think if you do then you don't deserve to be a war general, It shows nearsightness and little experience.

If your the Squad leader(corp ceo) being lead by a general like that, do you tell your brothers in corp, do it because someone said to no matter the cost to you or do you do whats best for your loyal supporters and do what you know is best for your squad(corp)?

As for holding the single system.... is it wiser to secure your foothold and move on in a long and bloody struggle or leapfrog around different areas throwing up your battle flag that wont be able to stay supported in a month do to lack of funds/supplies and attrition of troops?

Ask yourself these questions with an open mind and the knowledge that you hold. Answer them with honesty and not a hardened heart for your former brothers at arms..

Just don't ask them out in the open or you may find yourself faced with the same delima we faced, it could be answered with "it's my way or the highway"


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