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JDawg1290
Posted - 2010.03.04 17:33:00 - [1]
 

bit of help guys? having a bit of trouble deciding which to go for (currently training skills used by all subs) on one hand the tengu is a far better missioning ship. otoh the legion has lasers go pew pew, and i have mostly armor/laser skills already trained

will be using it for pve.

which one should i commit to?

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.03.04 17:34:00 - [2]
 

Tengu is vastly superior to legion. Only saving grace for legion is no ammo use if you plan on staying in wormholes for longer durations. If you dont - just use tengu.

RaVeN Revenge
Posted - 2010.03.04 17:47:00 - [3]
 

I dont fly either (I fly the other 2 T3's ) but I know Tengu pilots who do some amazing stuff.

The key word in the OP was "PVE" (if thats a word) Tengu is the answer to that one.

Life after the cruiser 5 might lead to a command ship. If thats a factor at all . Theres no wrong choice btw. Very Happy

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.03.04 17:56:00 - [4]
 

Only the cool kids fly the t3 ships everyone approves. The legion is not an approved ship so therefore it is uncool to fly therefore I fly it and therefore I am uncool and so would you be if you flew it.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.03.04 18:04:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/03/2010 18:04:49
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Only the cool kids fly the t3 ships everyone approves. The legion is not an approved ship so therefore it is uncool to fly therefore I fly it and therefore I am uncool and so would you be if you flew it.


Its more about bringing proper ship for the job. Sure you can run lv4 missions in AF but why would you when you can bring BS. Same with legion and tengu. Why nerf yourself with 500dps @ 10km (em/thermal only) ship when you can bring 600+ at 80km with any damage type (or 700-900 at 25-30km with HAMs).

Point is: legion is bad for pve (except for WH space as noted above).

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.04 19:39:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/03/2010 18:04:49
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Only the cool kids fly the t3 ships everyone approves. The legion is not an approved ship so therefore it is uncool to fly therefore I fly it and therefore I am uncool and so would you be if you flew it.


Its more about bringing proper ship for the job. Sure you can run lv4 missions in AF but why would you when you can bring BS. Same with legion and tengu. Why nerf yourself with 500dps @ 10km (em/thermal only) ship when you can bring 600+ at 80km with any damage type (or 700-900 at 25-30km with HAMs).

Point is: legion is bad for pve (except for WH space as noted above).


This

The Tengu is not just superior in every way in PVE/WH but its superior in every way except if you in a all armor gang.

Basically they have both excellent tanks but the Legion loses DPS the better you make its tank, so it peaks at about 450-500 DPS and the Tengu does 600-650 with its Dmg type and 450 [the same as Legion] with its off DMG types...This is huge, as also stated it gets a Vel bonus to missles which extends t2 Missles to 80KM and since they are going very fast doesnt make them so damned slow that your enemy warps off.

Also for PVP you can make a Ham tengu which does 800-870 DPS @ 25 km lol its BS sized DMG at 2 times blasters range, where the Scorch legion does 385 DPS the Ham-Gu [Trademarked Wink] Does 850....Its not even a contest...

But I dont feel bad you guys get the best BS`s in game...Finally Cald gets a best that isnt just PVE


Dusica
Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.04 20:07:00 - [7]
 

I fly legion and i will fly tengu soon ... tengu should be superior in all but in one role and that is sniper gang ... legion is good for pvp in sniper configuration ... probably best cruiser sized sniper , everything else in pve , close range pvp etc tengu is superior.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.04 20:08:00 - [8]
 

At least one class where caldari is considered the best :P

Dusica
Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.04 20:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/03/2010 18:04:49
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Only the cool kids fly the t3 ships everyone approves. The legion is not an approved ship so therefore it is uncool to fly therefore I fly it and therefore I am uncool and so would you be if you flew it.


Its more about bringing proper ship for the job. Sure you can run lv4 missions in AF but why would you when you can bring BS. Same with legion and tengu. Why nerf yourself with 500dps @ 10km (em/thermal only) ship when you can bring 600+ at 80km with any damage type (or 700-900 at 25-30km with HAMs).

Point is: legion is bad for pve (except for WH space as noted above).


This

The Tengu is not just superior in every way in PVE/WH but its superior in every way except if you in a all armor gang.

Basically they have both excellent tanks but the Legion loses DPS the better you make its tank, so it peaks at about 450-500 DPS and the Tengu does 600-650 with its Dmg type and 450 [the same as Legion] with its off DMG types...This is huge, as also stated it gets a Vel bonus to missles which extends t2 Missles to 80KM and since they are going very fast doesnt make them so damned slow that your enemy warps off.

Also for PVP you can make a Ham tengu which does 800-870 DPS @ 25 km lol its BS sized DMG at 2 times blasters range, where the Scorch legion does 385 DPS the Ham-Gu [Trademarked Wink] Does 850....Its not even a contest...

But I dont feel bad you guys get the best BS`s in game...Finally Cald gets a best that isnt just PVE




Armor Legion is fail really what you should make is sniper or mid range pulse legion ( like zealot )

[Legion, Legion - Sniper ]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

EHP : 61379
Aurora 105 optimal 314 dps
Imp Multi 29 optimal 541 dps
Speed 1761 and overloaded 2501

You can just swap to pulses and have 500 to 650 dps at 44km optimal and that is quite respectable with 60k EHP and 1800 speed ... 800dps with short rage ammo but you will need for that 5% medium energy implant and 3 faction heat sinks , basically fly it like zealot but not have paper thin tank like it has.

I dont like armor tanking cruisers ... only good one is proteus tbh can get some seriously wicked numbers ... legion is gimped in the way that is does EM mostly so have hard time vs armor tanks tho you can destroy shields so that is one more downside as well.

All in all tengu is superior in far more roles then legion go tengu.

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.03.04 21:00:00 - [10]
 

I'll stick to my bait legion of lol'dom cause it might not put out huge dps but it can tank like a mutha and it's fun watching the bad guys resort to typing "lol" in local.

Having said that I love the concept of the pulse zealot type setup and might actually consider that as another fit. I am just hardcore old skool amarr and I believe putting shield crap on anything but a curse is satan's doing.

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.04 21:21:00 - [11]
 






Armor Legion is fail really what you should make is sniper or mid range pulse legion ( like zealot )

[Legion, Legion - Sniper ]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

EHP : 61379
Aurora 105 optimal 314 dps
Imp Multi 29 optimal 541 dps
Speed 1761 and overloaded 2501

You can just swap to pulses and have 500 to 650 dps at 44km optimal and that is quite respectable with 60k EHP and 1800 speed ... 800dps with short rage ammo but you will need for that 5% medium energy implant and 3 faction heat sinks , basically fly it like zealot but not have paper thin tank like it has.

I dont like armor tanking cruisers ... only good one is proteus tbh can get some seriously wicked numbers ... legion is gimped in the way that is does EM mostly so have hard time vs armor tanks tho you can destroy shields so that is one more downside as well.

All in all tengu is superior in far more roles then legion go tengu.


Sorry but IMO 60K EHP is paper tank considering that 650 DPS Legion will take 1 bil to make and on top of it all have 0 Tackle. Lol at that point why not use Harbi??? There is no reason not to.

Dusica
Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.04 21:26:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Dusica on 04/03/2010 21:31:20
Originally by: Kail Storm





Armor Legion is fail really what you should make is sniper or mid range pulse legion ( like zealot )

[Legion, Legion - Sniper ]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

EHP : 61379
Aurora 105 optimal 314 dps
Imp Multi 29 optimal 541 dps
Speed 1761 and overloaded 2501

You can just swap to pulses and have 500 to 650 dps at 44km optimal and that is quite respectable with 60k EHP and 1800 speed ... 800dps with short rage ammo but you will need for that 5% medium energy implant and 3 faction heat sinks , basically fly it like zealot but not have paper thin tank like it has.

I dont like armor tanking cruisers ... only good one is proteus tbh can get some seriously wicked numbers ... legion is gimped in the way that is does EM mostly so have hard time vs armor tanks tho you can destroy shields so that is one more downside as well.

All in all tengu is superior in far more roles then legion go tengu.


Sorry but IMO 60K EHP is paper tank considering that 650 DPS Legion will take 1 bil to make and on top of it all have 0 Tackle. Lol at that point why not use Harbi??? There is no reason not to.


You never fit tackle on sniper ships to be honest and 60k EHP with 100km optimal and 1800 speed is very strong tank considering most stuff will not be able to hit at that range and if it can it is probably another hac sniper gang where hacs have ultra weak tank compare to yours.
If you want to have 24km optimal scorch you go armor harb yes ... but if you want to have 44km optimal with scorch and shield tank and be fast in hac gangs you go shield and pulse or shield and beam. Harb is very slow even with shield and nano it goes only 1200 with max range of 24 , legion or zealot can operate at 45km range with big damage , deference is legion has tons more ehp then zealot fited that way.
I would love to fly legion in pulse variation like i fly my zealot but i am poor and i fly legion only at 70+km with beams :P

And 650dps with scorch you can get with 650milion ship it is 450 + 50 mil t2 stuff and 150milion for faction heat sinks so it is not ultra expansive only faction heat sinks rest is t2 ... tho i go with normal t2 heat sinks.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.03.04 22:38:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jovialmadness
I'll stick to my bait legion of lol'dom cause it might not put out huge dps but it can tank like a mutha and it's fun watching the bad guys resort to typing "lol" in local.



I guess your bait legion must be awesome for pve. Exactly what op asked for.

ABITA
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.03.04 22:39:00 - [14]
 

PVE Legion is as usefull as shield tanked Nanogeddon with MWD and point...

Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
Posted - 2010.03.04 22:58:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: ABITA
PVE Legion is as usefull as shield tanked Nanogeddon with MWD and point...


I like my PvE legion. Better range than my absolution and decent damage with a MUCH better tank (Ab + lowsig)
However, it isn't even in the same league as the Tengu.. Tengu is like a freaking Super Strategic Cruiser.

It has a 100% damage bonus FFS when using kinetic. And a 60% damage bonus when using the damage type of its choice, which is STILL better than the Legion's 50%

ThaDollaGenerale
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.04 23:56:00 - [16]
 

[Tengu, a bit better]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Reactor Control Unit II

Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


This is the only Tengu PVE fit you need. Generally, I have only have to boost the shield 5 or 6 times in a mission. Plus, the tank will hold for 3 minutes while I kill any scramblers.

642 dps
750 dps tank
100+ km missile range
550 m/s

It is ridiculous.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.05 00:00:00 - [17]
 

Why not a medium shield booster and change reactor control to something usefull?

Kazuros
Posted - 2010.03.05 00:23:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
[Tengu, a bit better]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Reactor Control Unit II

Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


This is the only Tengu PVE fit you need. Generally, I have only have to boost the shield 5 or 6 times in a mission. Plus, the tank will hold for 3 minutes while I kill any scramblers.

642 dps
750 dps tank
100+ km missile range
550 m/s

It is ridiculous.


Try this fit on for size. Its the same basic fit as yours, just tweaked a little.

Depending on the hardeners, it can go from a 600 dps omni tank, to a 1500 dps rat specific setup for pve.

Last two rigs can be whatever, rigor and flare probably.

Oh yea and its cap stable@ 39%.

[Tengu, Tengu!]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


ThaDollaGenerale
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.05 03:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kazuros

Try this fit on for size. Its the same basic fit as yours, just tweaked a little.

Depending on the hardeners, it can go from a 600 dps omni tank, to a 1500 dps rat specific setup for pve.

Last two rigs can be whatever, rigor and flare probably.

Oh yea and its cap stable@ 39%.

[Tengu, Tengu!]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst




Terrible fit. Cap flux coils screw around the amount of cap available. It only has 5 launchers meaning it's overtanked for the vast majority of missions out there.

You don't really need cap stability if you have higher dps. You just need a brain and a mission running guide.

That fit has almost 150 less dps than my fit. 125 dps less than my fit with T2 BCS.

Jotobar
Posted - 2010.03.05 09:45:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Jotobar on 05/03/2010 09:49:41
Edited by: Jotobar on 05/03/2010 09:46:43
Edited by: Jotobar on 05/03/2010 09:45:32
Does this answer your question?

http://omploader.org/vM3FuMA

The pithi a-type medium is a bit overkill for 95% of the things out there, fly around with a medium t2 atm and do fine in all 8/10 plexes. There's still some stuff that needs a bit more so will probably throw an deadspace medium in there at some point (next time one drops).

In any case, legion's can't reach anywhere near those numbers, just invite them for doing "the maze"

edit: tank is based on gurista damage profile and in reality is a bit higher than that. oh and this is obviously a pve setup, for pvp there's 8 other fits depending on what kindof fights you wanna get into but very strong there aswell.

Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.05 12:03:00 - [21]
 

Its like comparing Apples and rotten worm infested remains of apples that got vomited out for tasting like ****.

Madla Mafia
Posted - 2010.03.05 13:31:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Tengu is vastly superior to legion. Only saving grace for legion is no ammo use if you plan on staying in wormholes for longer durations. If you dont - just use tengu.


This.

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.03.05 13:42:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
Its like comparing Apples and rotten worm infested remains of apples that got vomited out for tasting like ****.


I was informed by the united caldari/gallente and minmatar t3 workers union that they do consider the legion inferior to their more skilled produced versions but that your statement was abit excessive. They will be issuing a public statement asking you to eat said apple and apologize to their fellow amarrian competitors.

Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.05 14:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jovialmadness
[...] but that your statement was abit excessive.


Exaggaration gets things fixed. You must be new here, so i forgive you.

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.03.05 14:24:00 - [25]
 

Ha far from it. I am merely pointing out that in today's butt hurt over protective highly sensitive environment that everyone gets offended these daysLaughing

Kazuros
Posted - 2010.03.05 15:04:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale

Terrible fit. Cap flux coils screw around the amount of cap available. It only has 5 launchers meaning it's overtanked for the vast majority of missions out there.

You don't really need cap stability if you have higher dps. You just need a brain and a mission running guide.

That fit has almost 150 less dps than my fit. 125 dps less than my fit with T2 BCS.


Hey, what implants are you running to get that fit stable to 3 minutes running the hardeners and booster? I was playing around with it in EFT and cant seem to get it over 1:41 with the all V character. Maybe I'm missing something.

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.05 18:26:00 - [27]
 

I hope they dont fix legion...Finally as Caldari I feel Like I have a ship that can do it all and do it top 2 in game.

If Legion became top 2 along with Curse, Harbi and The Whole Godly BS lineup/Scorch there would be no reason to go Anyother race.

Also for the Sniper 60k Legion, I really just dont see it doing so much better than the Sniper Hacs, and Not Better tank than a Apoc in case you get jumped...Also on side note, ALL SHIPS IN OUR FLEETS HAVE TO USE TACKLE.

To not fit a Sniper/Cruiser with Tackle is just ******ed this makes it completely reliant on others and therefore if you ever have to Hold an enemy that you see at a gate or Lock Down a enemy who has jumped you you can otherwise you will lose alot of kills. Wink

Just dont see it as a practical fit...IMO Dusica no matter what when you get in your Tengu its gonna make u wish you took back the legions SP

Vertical
Amarr
Relentless Enterprises
Ore Federation
Posted - 2010.03.06 15:29:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Jovialmadness
Only the cool kids fly the t3 ships everyone approves. The legion is not an approved ship so therefore it is uncool to fly therefore I fly it and therefore I am uncool and so would you be if you flew it.


I am uncool too, I fly legion and killed 2 tengus already

Vertical
Amarr
Relentless Enterprises
Ore Federation
Posted - 2010.03.06 15:35:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dusica
Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/03/2010 18:04:49
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Only the cool kids fly the t3 ships everyone approves. The legion is not an approved ship so therefore it is uncool to fly therefore I fly it and therefore I am uncool and so would you be if you flew it.


Its more about bringing proper ship for the job. Sure you can run lv4 missions in AF but why would you when you can bring BS. Same with legion and tengu. Why nerf yourself with 500dps @ 10km (em/thermal only) ship when you can bring 600+ at 80km with any damage type (or 700-900 at 25-30km with HAMs).

Point is: legion is bad for pve (except for WH space as noted above).


This

The Tengu is not just superior in every way in PVE/WH but its superior in every way except if you in a all armor gang.

Basically they have both excellent tanks but the Legion loses DPS the better you make its tank, so it peaks at about 450-500 DPS and the Tengu does 600-650 with its Dmg type and 450 [the same as Legion] with its off DMG types...This is huge, as also stated it gets a Vel bonus to missles which extends t2 Missles to 80KM and since they are going very fast doesnt make them so damned slow that your enemy warps off.

Also for PVP you can make a Ham tengu which does 800-870 DPS @ 25 km lol its BS sized DMG at 2 times blasters range, where the Scorch legion does 385 DPS the Ham-Gu [Trademarked Wink] Does 850....Its not even a contest...

But I dont feel bad you guys get the best BS`s in game...Finally Cald gets a best that isnt just PVE




Armor Legion is fail really what you should make is sniper or mid range pulse legion ( like zealot )

[Legion, Legion - Sniper ]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

EHP : 61379
Aurora 105 optimal 314 dps
Imp Multi 29 optimal 541 dps
Speed 1761 and overloaded 2501

You can just swap to pulses and have 500 to 650 dps at 44km optimal and that is quite respectable with 60k EHP and 1800 speed ... 800dps with short rage ammo but you will need for that 5% medium energy implant and 3 faction heat sinks , basically fly it like zealot but not have paper thin tank like it has.

I dont like armor tanking cruisers ... only good one is proteus tbh can get some seriously wicked numbers ... legion is gimped in the way that is does EM mostly so have hard time vs armor tanks tho you can destroy shields so that is one more downside as well.

All in all tengu is superior in far more roles then legion go tengu.


WOW with that setup I would fail in any ship! Its quiet interesting that some people only bring the bad side of the legion to front like: "Yeah legion is a fail coz only EM/Therm damage". What a crap. Laser ONLY DO em/thermal damage! So its not a fail but a property. Then "I dont like armor tanking cruisers ..." well then leave it and play badminton!

"legion is gimped in the way that is does EM mostly..." WTF does that mean? LEGION does ECM mostly...?

Sorry, YOU FAIL!

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.03.06 16:05:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 06/03/2010 16:09:41
Edited by: stoicfaux on 06/03/2010 16:06:25

These are plenty for Level 4s. Swap Amps based on rat type. The Medium Pith C will run you about 300 million. Cap stable. Swapping the SBA II for a CN or Gith-C SBA is an option.

Tank:
* em/therm- 602
* kin/therm- 1166
* Guristas (kin 80/therm 20)- 1340 w/2xKin Amp
* AE Bonus Room- 631 w/2xExpl Amp

[Tengu, HML - Amp]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Salvager
If you want to salvage on the go, then try this. Cap stable (barely) without the Salvager. You can sneak on a single CN shield hardener if you have a CR8 implant or a T2 hardener with CR8 and CC8 implants.) You will definitely need to swap shield resists per mission. Turning turn off the AB and orbiting the wreck works. You will need to speed tank (which is redundant since you're moving from wreck to wreck,) so kill frigs first.

Tank:
* em/therm- 428 (speed tanking is important!)
* kin/therm- 806
* Guristas (kin 80/therm 20)- 927 w/2xKin Amp
* AE Bonus Room- 437 w/2xExpl Amp (speed tanking is important!)


[Tengu, HML - Salvage]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Salvager II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


What is the Legion equivalent to the above?


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