Posted - 2010.03.02 20:22:00 - [121]

 

Originally by: Ba'Rumph

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Originally by: Garreck

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Wrong to offer? Nah, it's a smart move, saves you guys a lot of trouble if we agreed to the terms.

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Saves them a lot of trouble if you accept the offer for them to give you back systems they already took?

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I presume he means it would save AAA the trouble of grinding through 50 station systems.

It's actually interesting that AAA made the offer. Presumably, they thought that if CVA promised not to push into Catch again, they'd stick to their word, either out of some sense of honor or because they were afraid of another whipping. Like I said in my tl;dr post above, AAA has good strategic reasons for wanting to see Providence neutralized. There must have been some level of trust in CVA leadership if they were willing to offer a cease-fire when they clearly had the upper hand.

That or they were sure CVA would decline and the cease-fire was a propaganda move.

Posted - 2010.03.02 20:27:00 - [123]

 

Originally by: Danny Lonnegan

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I presume he means it would save AAA the trouble of grinding through 50 station systems.

It's actually interesting that AAA made the offer. Presumably, they thought that if CVA promised not to push into Catch again, they'd stick to their word, either out of some sense of honor or because they were afraid of another whipping. Like I said in my tl;dr post above, AAA has good strategic reasons for wanting to see Providence neutralized. There must have been some level of trust in CVA leadership if they were willing to offer a cease-fire when they clearly had the upper hand.

That or they were sure CVA would decline and the cease-fire was a propaganda move.

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Yeah I guess. From my experience with CVA, I think they would have honored the deal if they had made it. I understand why CVA didn't want to make the deal, but I also realize that the fact that they didn't make the deal - after pursuing an aggressive expansion policy that backfired - makes them solely guilty of their own and their pets demise and removal from Providence. I just want this obvious fact acknowledged so that the tears from CVA pets can cease. I need them to save those tears for later.

Posted - 2010.03.02 20:52:00 - [125]

 

Considering how many people in Provi have been affected by this, I don't think there's been all that many tears. There's been some, but you're always going to get a couple whiners. I don't understand it myself (What do they expect? Provi resident: "WAH! It's not fair!" AAA: "By gum, he's right! This isn't fair! Back to Catch, boys, and don't forget to tip your hats on the way out."), but that's life on the Internet.

Could be wrong, though. I'm only on the forums sporadically.

Posted - 2010.03.02 22:55:00 - [127]

 

24h and solicitatora is a caod issue no more an irc problem

thx for your attention

Posted - 2010.03.03 03:02:00 - [129]

 

Please caps lock.

I dont understand why you are reiterating your questions, as the political field is very simple.

-A- deployed to the west with the goals of hindering goonswarms involvement in defending their northern allies/gaining a foothold for the obvious campaigns to follow.

CVA choose this exact moment to attack -A- Stations systems, pronounce grand campaign (SOmething Deliverence).

Goonswarm thanks CVA for their help and -A-/Allies deployment stalls for multiple reasons, very much including the fact that they are fighting on 2 fronts.

Goonswarm fails as they do.

CVA hides.

CVA dies because it chose to aid the losing side.

UK has promised i believe to keep the area NRDS, so whats the big deal? Other then the pilots that ocupy the space everything will stay the same for those who suggest their "nuetrality." So if you are trully nuetral, shhhhh.

Posted - 2010.03.03 03:44:00 - [131]

 

Nah, he's working hard to try to get people to believe that his threads were some sort of epic troll totally worth getting kicked out of his alliance over and not just whiny failthreads.

Posted - 2010.03.04 18:54:00 - [133]

 

Originally by: Stratio

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Originally by: SephiXan

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And now they're fighting a massive battle.

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I'm still a bit perplexed how little actual fighting there is going on.

Either CVA & friends have given up or they have a cunning master plan up their sleeves.

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Well I still have a few friends in the alliance, gotta cheer for the underdogs once inawhile

Posted - 2010.03.04 21:00:00 - [135]

 

Edited by: Jitannya on 04/03/2010 21:06:50
Edited by: Jitannya on 04/03/2010 21:02:05

Originally by: solicitatora

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Please keep this thread strictly civil.

*- I will like to know how the eve community feels now that the last of the true NRDS alliance seems to be losing ground after so many years?!?!?!?!

Please again. only express how you think the EVE community will react to the southern coalition after their taking of providence? good or bad??

clearly abuse of power was shown on the southern coalition's part; In which for example, they could've easily move forces north and finish what would be the last great war, per say. Now all eyes are back on the south....

I will quote myself from a diff post since it all relates anyhow, and note this is only my opinion on the matter.


"shame on UK and the southern coalition for taking out the last of the NRDS alliance. May it curse the game play of you and your friends like it has in the past.


cheers for the awesomeness of gang jumping tactics. Rolling Eyes

-soli"


I truly feel that the southern coalition it's acting wrongfully by taking CVA space. They should really grow some marbles, take the time to do some logistics and move their fat arse's to the real enemy. But at this point you can clearly see it's an act of laziness on part of the high command for the southern coalition.

This is where I tip my hat to the northern coalition. and say good job to you guys for being strong, since they move forces so easily with no hesitation to help their allies. clearly can see who has a better mindset.

So sad that greed has poison the minds of the southern bandwagon so quickly, such shame.... ugh

I hope all of eve turns against you guys like it did not so long ago. Wink

-soli

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I thought noob corp posting wasnt allowed oh wait..............guess we'll see this toon for sale soon!!

Posted - 2010.03.05 01:20:00 - [137]

 

Are people still using that "CVA were working with goons" bull****? lol. Some people are so ******ed.

Posted - 2010.03.05 02:10:00 - [139]

 

All I can say is good fight today guys!!!

http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=153146

Posted - 2010.03.05 05:32:00 - [141]

 

Edited by: cBOLTSON on 05/03/2010 05:32:21
Im just hoping that 'U'K NRDS' will give players an area that has lots of pvp and a thriving economy. It would be good to spice things up a little.

Posted - 2010.03.05 07:00:00 - [143]

 

Originally by: Sabbat Martyr

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Edited by: Sabbat Martyr on 05/03/2010 01:42:27

Originally by: MiLojko

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Originally by: Edible Bandaid

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CVA choose this exact moment to attack -A- Stations systems,

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Quoting this for truth. And UK is NRDS

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Props to UK for being NRDS but can people stop this NRDS it crap. It doesn't matter what UK is, the fact is they're not going to police their space, ergo, 0.0 will return to being all hostile, all the time. (Not like it was ever a safe, and friendly place to begin with. CVA at least tried to police it, maybe even succeeded a few times.)

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I was trying to be ironic. CVA block did not attack -A- Station systems but has only onlined TCU in four unclaimed systems in Catch. Also UK isnt NRDS for over 2 years now and even before their interpretation of NRDS was just funny. Already explained in post on page 3.

Posted - 2010.03.07 18:01:00 - [145]

 

To add something to the discussion:
I am a neutral in Providence. We moved here with our little corp (<10 active members) just a few weeks before this war started.
We were glad, the proviblock offers this kind of NRDS. It was not easy to convince every member of our corp to go in 0.0, but the relative security and good profits there made the move to 0.0 easy.

I see this war with mixed feelings: we lost the easy profit, but we are gaining some great experiences.
We moved our important assets back to empire, to stay survivable in case whole providence falls. But we try to give something back to the holders (especially -7-) and contribute to the defense. Thats not easy, as we can only maintain a small gang that can't cope with the big fleets, but we try and we have fun.


Personally I wondered how the good relationship between proviblock and -A- was destroyed. My (limited) experience was, that they fought each other in a friendly manner. I know of friendships between -A- and -7- Pilots. They want nice fights, but they don't want to really destroy each other.
Fights for sovereignty in their homelands just is not what they want.

I see how this relationship will get destroyed with a spiral of escalation. CVA claimed (unclaimed) sov in some systems in catch. That was a bad thing. -A- took inhabited systems in Providence, that was even worse.
Maybe CVA thought it would be fun, to have some sov fights with -A- and picked these unclaimed systems. But without communication I can understand that -A- fights back the way they do.

I would have loved if -A-/U'K and CVA would have chosen some systems for a kind of proxy war. That would fit nice into the RP. Just choose some systems from Providence/Catch and declare them important. Now fight for sovereignty in these systems.
These battleground could have been arranged before the actual fighting. I know roleplaying from other games, and good roleplay is mostly arranged. Develop a nice story, why control of these few systems decide the war about slavery. That way you could have thrilling sov warfare without threatening your friendship.

Posted - 2010.03.07 19:12:00 - [147]

 

State what you want and continue to claim NRDS when and if you control all of provi. Its not going to be a reality for you when the number one roamer will be blue to UK. Unless your going to set -A- red your version of NRDS wont work. Spin it how ever you like, you really expect all the incoming alliances to be blue with -A-? Do you think -A- is going to like that? lots less targets that way. Maybe that is what happens but i just cant see that since its GF everyone wants.

So what happens when UK is in a roaming -A- fleet and hit there so called friends in provi that own space that happen to be blue to UK but red to them? Are UK not going to shoot? Are you not going to allow UK to join roaming -A- gangs? What be the answer say the? Do all the system holders alliances just be red to each other?

To sit here and claim your going to NRDS just wont cut it since it wont work unless your red to -A-. Your whole argument about neutrals not being shot is fail since its not really going to be the neutrals that are the primary target anyway it will be the system holders.

Posted - 2010.03.07 21:58:00 - [149]

 

man i agree to this topic.
I realy cant be arsed to move my ships up North. you know how many jumps that is ???

Thats why we fighted goons, Cva and now coven.
We loved them all in our special way but they were just closer to us.

Next we will fight AAA, IT and Atlass and then take over the Amarr empirem, Gal vederation and Minmatar Rep.

Caldari state we leave alone as it is way to far to take my ratting raven