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Danny Lonnegan
Caldari
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.03.02 20:22:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Ba'Rumph
Originally by: Garreck

Wrong to offer? Nah, it's a smart move, saves you guys a lot of trouble if we agreed to the terms.


Saves them a lot of trouble if you accept the offer for them to give you back systems they already took?
I presume he means it would save AAA the trouble of grinding through 50 station systems.

It's actually interesting that AAA made the offer. Presumably, they thought that if CVA promised not to push into Catch again, they'd stick to their word, either out of some sense of honor or because they were afraid of another whipping. Like I said in my tl;dr post above, AAA has good strategic reasons for wanting to see Providence neutralized. There must have been some level of trust in CVA leadership if they were willing to offer a cease-fire when they clearly had the upper hand.

That or they were sure CVA would decline and the cease-fire was a propaganda move.

SephiXan
Amarr
Cold Steel Inc.
Posted - 2010.03.02 20:26:00 - [122]
 

I used to fly out in providence a bit back awhile ago, but I didn't like being out there. CVA did very little security on their space so I always referred them to being the weak kid on the block everyone picked on. I mean hell i spent a lot of time seeing people just want to go to Providence for easy kills and when I was out there there was no security.

Only way I can see CVA has kept their space for so long is due to the quality of the systems. So I was actually surprised when i read news of CVA attacking, and I had more respect for them than I used to. And now they're fighting a massive battle. Better than the stagnation they used to run with, so I have to say that CVA made the right choice, be it that they may die oh well. Least they tried to do something.

Ba'Rumph
Caldari
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.03.02 20:27:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Danny Lonnegan
I presume he means it would save AAA the trouble of grinding through 50 station systems.

It's actually interesting that AAA made the offer. Presumably, they thought that if CVA promised not to push into Catch again, they'd stick to their word, either out of some sense of honor or because they were afraid of another whipping. Like I said in my tl;dr post above, AAA has good strategic reasons for wanting to see Providence neutralized. There must have been some level of trust in CVA leadership if they were willing to offer a cease-fire when they clearly had the upper hand.

That or they were sure CVA would decline and the cease-fire was a propaganda move.


Yeah I guess. From my experience with CVA, I think they would have honored the deal if they had made it. I understand why CVA didn't want to make the deal, but I also realize that the fact that they didn't make the deal - after pursuing an aggressive expansion policy that backfired - makes them solely guilty of their own and their pets demise and removal from Providence. I just want this obvious fact acknowledged so that the tears from CVA pets can cease. I need them to save those tears for later.

Jitannya
Caldari
BOSS. Industries
Posted - 2010.03.02 20:51:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Jitannya on 02/03/2010 20:52:03
Originally by: solicitatora
Please keep this thread strictly civil.

*- I will like to know how the eve community feels now that the last of the true NRDS alliance seems to be losing ground after so many years?!?!?!?!

Please again. only express how you think the EVE community will react to the southern coalition after their taking of providence? good or bad??


clearly abuse of power was shown on the southern coalition's part; In which for example, they could've easily move forces north and finish what would be the last great war, per say. Now all eyes are back on the south....

I will quote myself from a diff post since it all relates anyhow, and note this is only my opinion on the matter.


"shame on UK and the southern coalition for taking out the last of the NRDS alliance. May it curse the game play of you and your friends like it has in the past.


cheers for the awesomeness of gang jumping tactics. Rolling Eyes

-soli"


I truly feel that the southern coalition it's acting wrongfully by taking CVA space. They should really grow some marbles, take the time to do some logistics and move their fat arse's to the real enemy. But at this point you can clearly see it's an act of laziness on part of the high command for the southern coalition.

This is where I tip my hat to the northern coalition. and say good job to you guys for being strong, since they move forces so easily with no hesitation to help their allies. clearly can see who has a better mindset.

So sad that greed has poison the minds of the southern bandwagon so quickly, such shame.... ugh

I hope all of eve turns against you guys like it did not so long ago. Wink

-soli

Who are you? lol IRC thought you guys got kicked for posting!!

Danny Lonnegan
Caldari
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.03.02 20:52:00 - [125]
 

Considering how many people in Provi have been affected by this, I don't think there's been all that many tears. There's been some, but you're always going to get a couple whiners. I don't understand it myself (What do they expect? Provi resident: "WAH! It's not fair!" AAA: "By gum, he's right! This isn't fair! Back to Catch, boys, and don't forget to tip your hats on the way out."), but that's life on the Internet.

Could be wrong, though. I'm only on the forums sporadically.

Stratio
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2010.03.02 22:49:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: SephiXan
And now they're fighting a massive battle.

I'm still a bit perplexed how little actual fighting there is going on.

Either CVA & friends have given up or they have a cunning master plan up their sleeves. Shocked

rmfHorus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.03.02 22:55:00 - [127]
 

24h and solicitatora is a caod issue no more an irc problem

thx for your attention

solicitatora
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.03.03 02:22:00 - [128]
 

Bump for the most of epic threads.


C'MON FOLKS, NEED MORE RESPONSES. WE'VE DIVERTED SOME OF TOPIC, BUT NOW WE'RE TANNED, WE'RE RESTED, AND READY TO GIVE THESE OLD CAOD FORUMS A WEDGIEEEEEEEEE AGAIN....


ARE YOU WITH ME BOYS?? A LITTLE LOUDER?

EVE-ONLINE PHD THESIS question:

-SHOULD UK BE GIVEN FREE CVA SPACE FOR THEIR GREAT EFFORTS IN THE GREAT WARS OF THE PAST.

A) FACK NO
B} FACK THE HELL NOES
C) THEY HAVE TO FIGHT A BIT MORE
D) SPY DIRECTOR ALT SHOULD DISBAND ALLIANCE FOR CURRENT ACTIONS IN PROVIDENCE.
E) ALL OF EVE INVADES UK, AAA, IT FOR ALLOWING SUCH TREACHERY ACTIONS
F) GIVE UK A BREAK MAN, THEY EARNED NADA...
G) FACK THE HELL NOES, HECK NO FOR ****ZLE LOLZ (GOD, WHAT IS WRONG WITH OP)
J) THEY HAVE TO KICK ALL THE TINY ALLIANCES REVOLVING IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF CURSE AND GREAT WILDLANDS.
k) THIS IS THE HARDEST MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTION EVER?
L) AGAIN, HELL THE FACK NOES SPACE FOR UK IN PROVIDENCE.

SELECT ALL THAT APPLY: (ENTER HERE)


C'MON FOLKS GET IN THIS POST AND TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.

NEW PLAYERS ARE LOSING THEIR ONLY WAY OF LEARNING THE NULL SEC LIFE FOR FREE!!! WITHOUT GIVING ANYTHING IN RETURN TO OTHER ALLIANCES..

GETTING VERY GOOD MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THE WHOLE DILEMMA. KEEP THOSE COMMENTS COMING GUYS....

THIS IS WAY TOO IMPORTANT AGAIN TO OVERLOOK.. THANKS ALL IN ADVANCED....

Edible Bandaid
Gallente
Crimson Nation
Posted - 2010.03.03 03:02:00 - [129]
 

Please caps lock.

I dont understand why you are reiterating your questions, as the political field is very simple.

-A- deployed to the west with the goals of hindering goonswarms involvement in defending their northern allies/gaining a foothold for the obvious campaigns to follow.

CVA choose this exact moment to attack -A- Stations systems, pronounce grand campaign (SOmething Deliverence).

Goonswarm thanks CVA for their help and -A-/Allies deployment stalls for multiple reasons, very much including the fact that they are fighting on 2 fronts.

Goonswarm fails as they do.

CVA hides.

CVA dies because it chose to aid the losing side.

UK has promised i believe to keep the area NRDS, so whats the big deal? Other then the pilots that ocupy the space everything will stay the same for those who suggest their "nuetrality." So if you are trully nuetral, shhhhh.

Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2010.03.03 03:41:00 - [130]
 

He isnt truly nuetral , hence his feet stomping .

Ba'Rumph
Caldari
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.03.03 03:44:00 - [131]
 

Nah, he's working hard to try to get people to believe that his threads were some sort of epic troll totally worth getting kicked out of his alliance over and not just whiny failthreads.

Xpaulusx
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.03.04 18:02:00 - [132]
 

I pretty much learned the 0 sec ropes when i was in CVA. But even back then, you could tell it was falling apart. My old corp soon fled Providence and resettled in empire. In retrospect CVA did fill a role allowing semi new players to experince 0 sec. For whatever reasons, i wish CVA best of luck holding on to there Sovereignty Wink

SephiXan
Amarr
Cold Steel Inc.
Posted - 2010.03.04 18:54:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Stratio
Originally by: SephiXan
And now they're fighting a massive battle.

I'm still a bit perplexed how little actual fighting there is going on.

Either CVA & friends have given up or they have a cunning master plan up their sleeves. Shocked


Well I still have a few friends in the alliance, gotta cheer for the underdogs once inawhile

Lord Zulu
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.03.04 20:19:00 - [134]
 

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/submariner465/funny/kill1.jpg
Your freaky kitty now leads a new (and subtler) lifestyle as a url, as per the forum rules. Shadow.

Jitannya
Caldari
BOSS. Industries
Posted - 2010.03.04 21:00:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Jitannya on 04/03/2010 21:06:50
Edited by: Jitannya on 04/03/2010 21:02:05
Originally by: solicitatora
Please keep this thread strictly civil.

*- I will like to know how the eve community feels now that the last of the true NRDS alliance seems to be losing ground after so many years?!?!?!?!

Please again. only express how you think the EVE community will react to the southern coalition after their taking of providence? good or bad??

clearly abuse of power was shown on the southern coalition's part; In which for example, they could've easily move forces north and finish what would be the last great war, per say. Now all eyes are back on the south....

I will quote myself from a diff post since it all relates anyhow, and note this is only my opinion on the matter.


"shame on UK and the southern coalition for taking out the last of the NRDS alliance. May it curse the game play of you and your friends like it has in the past.


cheers for the awesomeness of gang jumping tactics. Rolling Eyes

-soli"


I truly feel that the southern coalition it's acting wrongfully by taking CVA space. They should really grow some marbles, take the time to do some logistics and move their fat arse's to the real enemy. But at this point you can clearly see it's an act of laziness on part of the high command for the southern coalition.

This is where I tip my hat to the northern coalition. and say good job to you guys for being strong, since they move forces so easily with no hesitation to help their allies. clearly can see who has a better mindset.

So sad that greed has poison the minds of the southern bandwagon so quickly, such shame.... ugh

I hope all of eve turns against you guys like it did not so long ago. Wink

-soli

I thought noob corp posting wasnt allowed oh wait..............guess we'll see this toon for sale soon!!

MiLojko
Caldari
Paxton Industries
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.03.04 21:04:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Edible Bandaid

CVA choose this exact moment to attack -A- Stations systems,

Quoting this for truth. And UK is NRDS

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.03.05 01:20:00 - [137]
 

Are people still using that "CVA were working with goons" bull****? lol. Some people are so ******ed.

Sabbat Martyr
Caldari
Exsilium Militaris
Exiled Collective
Posted - 2010.03.05 01:40:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Sabbat Martyr on 05/03/2010 01:42:27
Originally by: MiLojko
Originally by: Edible Bandaid

CVA choose this exact moment to attack -A- Stations systems,

Quoting this for truth. And UK is NRDS


Props to UK for being NRDS but can people stop this NRDS it crap. It doesn't matter what UK is, the fact is they're not going to police their space, ergo, 0.0 will return to being all hostile, all the time. (Not like it was ever a safe, and friendly place to begin with. CVA at least tried to police it, maybe even succeeded a few times.)

silvertree umholtz
Minmatar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.05 02:10:00 - [139]
 

All I can say is good fight today guys!!!

http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=153146

StainLessStealRat
Caldari
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.03.05 04:04:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: silvertree umholtz
All I can say is good fight today guys!!!

http://killboard.atlas-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=153146


GF's today

cBOLTSON
Caldari
Star Frontiers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.03.05 05:32:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: cBOLTSON on 05/03/2010 05:32:21
Im just hoping that 'U'K NRDS' will give players an area that has lots of pvp and a thriving economy. It would be good to spice things up a little.

Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.03.05 06:03:00 - [142]
 

I want U'K to burn CVA out of Providence with a purifying fire

MiLojko
Caldari
Paxton Industries
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.03.05 07:00:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Sabbat Martyr
Edited by: Sabbat Martyr on 05/03/2010 01:42:27
Originally by: MiLojko
Originally by: Edible Bandaid

CVA choose this exact moment to attack -A- Stations systems,

Quoting this for truth. And UK is NRDS


Props to UK for being NRDS but can people stop this NRDS it crap. It doesn't matter what UK is, the fact is they're not going to police their space, ergo, 0.0 will return to being all hostile, all the time. (Not like it was ever a safe, and friendly place to begin with. CVA at least tried to police it, maybe even succeeded a few times.)

I was trying to be ironic. CVA block did not attack -A- Station systems but has only onlined TCU in four unclaimed systems in Catch. Also UK isnt NRDS for over 2 years now and even before their interpretation of NRDS was just funny. Already explained in post on page 3.

StukaBee
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.03.05 11:28:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Are people still using that "CVA were working with goons" bull****? lol. Some people are so ******ed.

The CVA-Goonsarm alliance is the troll that just keeps on giving.

CrazyCric
Caldari
Lethal Weapons Syndicate
Posted - 2010.03.07 18:01:00 - [145]
 

To add something to the discussion:
I am a neutral in Providence. We moved here with our little corp (<10 active members) just a few weeks before this war started.
We were glad, the proviblock offers this kind of NRDS. It was not easy to convince every member of our corp to go in 0.0, but the relative security and good profits there made the move to 0.0 easy.

I see this war with mixed feelings: we lost the easy profit, but we are gaining some great experiences.
We moved our important assets back to empire, to stay survivable in case whole providence falls. But we try to give something back to the holders (especially -7-) and contribute to the defense. Thats not easy, as we can only maintain a small gang that can't cope with the big fleets, but we try and we have fun.


Personally I wondered how the good relationship between proviblock and -A- was destroyed. My (limited) experience was, that they fought each other in a friendly manner. I know of friendships between -A- and -7- Pilots. They want nice fights, but they don't want to really destroy each other.
Fights for sovereignty in their homelands just is not what they want.

I see how this relationship will get destroyed with a spiral of escalation. CVA claimed (unclaimed) sov in some systems in catch. That was a bad thing. -A- took inhabited systems in Providence, that was even worse.
Maybe CVA thought it would be fun, to have some sov fights with -A- and picked these unclaimed systems. But without communication I can understand that -A- fights back the way they do.

I would have loved if -A-/U'K and CVA would have chosen some systems for a kind of proxy war. That would fit nice into the RP. Just choose some systems from Providence/Catch and declare them important. Now fight for sovereignty in these systems.
These battleground could have been arranged before the actual fighting. I know roleplaying from other games, and good roleplay is mostly arranged. Develop a nice story, why control of these few systems decide the war about slavery. That way you could have thrilling sov warfare without threatening your friendship.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.07 18:41:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: MiLojko
Also UK isnt NRDS for over 2 years now and even before their interpretation of NRDS was just funny.


yeah, our version of NRDS is to not shoot people who aren't red

~crazy~


ginlaaan
Gallente
Paxton Industries
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.03.07 19:12:00 - [147]
 

State what you want and continue to claim NRDS when and if you control all of provi. Its not going to be a reality for you when the number one roamer will be blue to UK. Unless your going to set -A- red your version of NRDS wont work. Spin it how ever you like, you really expect all the incoming alliances to be blue with -A-? Do you think -A- is going to like that? lots less targets that way. Maybe that is what happens but i just cant see that since its GF everyone wants.

So what happens when UK is in a roaming -A- fleet and hit there so called friends in provi that own space that happen to be blue to UK but red to them? Are UK not going to shoot? Are you not going to allow UK to join roaming -A- gangs? What be the answer say the? Do all the system holders alliances just be red to each other?

To sit here and claim your going to NRDS just wont cut it since it wont work unless your red to -A-. Your whole argument about neutrals not being shot is fail since its not really going to be the neutrals that are the primary target anyway it will be the system holders.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.03.07 21:20:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/03/2010 21:22:11

What don't you understand about Not Red Don't Shoot?

also confirming the odd roaming gang from AAA will bring the New Providence Order to its knees

also confirming that these roaming gangs will be a major threat to spaceholding, and that residents definately cannot fight them off, or wait in a station/pos until they pass - this will be impossible

its much worse than having CVA in charge and being in a state of territorial war... honest~

Yoji Kio
Minmatar
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.03.07 21:58:00 - [149]
 

man i agree to this topic.
I realy cant be arsed to move my ships up North. you know how many jumps that is ???

Thats why we fighted goons, Cva and now coven.
We loved them all in our special way but they were just closer to us.

Next we will fight AAA, IT and Atlass and then take over the Amarr empirem, Gal vederation and Minmatar Rep.

Caldari state we leave alone as it is way to far to take my ratting raven

Princess Jodi
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.07 22:12:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Eskalin

aww poor no name in no name alliance FYI it's just f1 now that ccp has made it easier with grouping. stay bitter.
ps. I'm arrogant cause i am better than you.




Just quoting this to remind people why Bob was the most hated alliance in the game.


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