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Captain Knox
Posted - 2010.02.28 00:17:00 - [1]
 

Hi guys

I am new to eve, bought the game 3 days ago and have only just been able to log onto the forums :).

I am a casual player, i like to chill when i play and do other things at the same time. So mining seems the perfect pass time for me.

Basically i will be starting again. This character is all over the place (skill wise) as i went head first into the game not knowing what i wanted to do.

So i am dedicated to being a pure miner. This is so i can draw and focus on other things whilst giving slight attention every now and again for dangers.


With the introduction out of the way i have a few questions to ask.

I realise mining comes along with Memory and Intelligence as its main attributes. This is handy some have said because this is the key to the learning skills too.

Q1: What should i remap my attributes to if i am only interested in mining. Should i max out intelligence and Memory? leaving the rest?

Q2: I am a fan of the Amarr ships. Would it be okay if i kept to Amarr? (probably khanid). What do you think is the best for mining?

Q3: Does anyone have a skill guide? E.g. what would be the optimal arrangement of learning new skills for a dedicated miner?

Also i am a fan of the scanning part of the game using probes. Would this interfere with any skills or attributes? I thought it would be a good thing to use for mining. E.g. Scan an area down.. find a gravimetric site (forgive spelling) then fetch my miner and have at it.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks for reading :)

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2010.02.28 00:30:00 - [2]
 

Check out EVEMmon for your skill related questions.

As far as Amarr ships go, yes, they are fine for mining. You will be moving on to barges and exhumers fast, as a pure miner, anyway.

elkyar
Posted - 2010.02.28 00:33:00 - [3]
 

A1: If you plan on only mining, then yes, max out intelligence and memory, with a couple more points in int than mem

A2: you will want to train for mining barges as soon as possible, these are made by Outer Ring Excavations (ORE), and are the best mining vessels out there.

I recommend getting EVEMON. It is a skill planning device and it will help you plan out what to train. It also gives you a suggested order for which learning skills you should train to what level.

A3:
here's a mining plan I had for one of my characters

Cybernetics I
Instant Recall I
Analytical Mind I
Learning I
Instant Recall II
Analytical Mind II
Learning II
Instant Recall III
Analytical Mind III
Learning III
Instant Recall IV
Eidetic Memory I
Eidetic Memory II
Eidetic Memory III
Analytical Mind IV
Logic I
Logic II
Logic III
Learning IV
Iron Will I
Iron Will II
Iron Will III
Iron Will IV
Spatial Awareness I
Spatial Awareness II
Spatial Awareness III
Spatial Awareness IV
Empathy I
Focus I
Focus II
Focus III
Clarity I
Clarity II
Clarity III
Science IV
Mining III
Mining IV
Astrogeology I
Astrogeology II
Astrogeology III
Industry I
Industry II
Industry III
Industry IV
Industry V
Mining Upgrades I
Mining Upgrades II
Mining Upgrades III
Mining Barge I
Mining Barge II
Mining Barge III
Astrogeology IV
Astrogeology V
Mining Barge IV
Mining Barge V
Mining V
Mining Upgrades IV
Spaceship Command IV
Exhumers I
Exhumers II
Exhumers III
Exhumers IV
Refining I
Refining II
Refining III
Refining IV
Refining V
Refinery Efficiency I
Refinery Efficiency II
Refinery Efficiency III



In this case the single level of cybernetics was so I could plug in implants to train faster

after the refining skills at the end you train the specific ore refining skills so you can use mining crystals



As for scanning, I don't think scanning in high sec will find you anything worth mining. most of the ores in hidden fields are worth less isk/hour than scord and veld at the moment I write this.


Hope I answered your questions

if you have any more, pm me in game: Welkyr

TOKAME
Posted - 2010.02.28 00:36:00 - [4]
 

http://www.lsjv-eve.com/completeminersguide/completeminersguide_v3-0.pdf

all u will need Cool

Captain Knox
Posted - 2010.02.28 01:07:00 - [5]
 

Thanks for the replies guys very helpful :)

Wu Marusyn
Posted - 2010.02.28 09:03:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Wu Marusyn on 28/02/2010 09:06:04
When you start a new character you get 2 remaps available.

I'd use the 1rst one to train all the perception related skills first (exhumers) and then remap to int-mem for the mining and production skills that you'll need.
I'd recommend training exhumers to lvl 5
Also you'll prolly need hauling to do so gallente industrial lvl V to get an Iteron V is a must.

In these forums you'll find Halada's guide for miners. In there you'll find everything you need to know about mining. It's a nice guide.

edit: Halada's guide

Also, you'll find EVEMON quite helpful to plan your skill training.

Veliria
Posted - 2010.02.28 11:30:00 - [7]
 

You may want to replace

Mining Barge III
Astrogeology IV
Astrogeology V
Mining Barge IV

With

Mining Barge III
Astrogeology IV
Mining Barge IV
Astrogeology V

Getting Astrogeology to V takes a lot longer than it does to get Mining Barge IV, so why not get 3% more yield while you wait for Astrogeology V to finish training by getting Mining Barge IV first? Razz

Captain Knox
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.02.28 15:24:00 - [8]
 

Hey guys me again :)

I plan to use drones at some point so when should i start training them too?

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2010.02.28 16:25:00 - [9]
 

Since the only amarrian cruiser that gets a mining bonus is the arbitrator, and that's a drone bonus then you should train drones before you get into cruisers.

Captain Knox
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.01 08:00:00 - [10]
 

Hey guys me again. I swapped to caldari lol.

Currently im training to use the retriever then hulk but is there something i should close the gap with before that?

Maybe a covetor?

My Postman
Posted - 2010.03.01 12:05:00 - [11]
 

When you are sitting in a retriever, you wonīt be able to use mining drones, it only has a dronebay for 5 light drones. They will be hobgoblin I or so, to defend the belt rats, so there will be no other spare place for mining drones.

When having Mining Barge 5 you can use a covetor, but you are only a few days away from flying a hulk (exhumers 3), so i donīt see a pint in that.

When using the hulk you can store a flight of mining drones, and a flight of combat drones, as it has a dronebay of 50m3.

Hope this helps.

Captain Knox
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.01 15:57:00 - [12]
 

Thanks postman that helps alot appreciate it :)

Linda Flamewalker
Posted - 2010.03.01 23:52:00 - [13]
 

I dont bother with a full flight of scout drones in my retriever in highsec. 3 mining and 2 scouts are more then enough. High sec belt rats are a joke anyway.

ZeroNovae
Posted - 2010.03.02 00:40:00 - [14]
 

Hi Captain Knox,

Good to see some dedicated miners in New Eden.

I see you have got some skill plans laid out before you already, hope all is working out for you.
Why don't you join our Corporation which is 99% Industrial, 1% Combat (Wormhole space Combat+Mining). We are a new Corp, founded just 2 weeks ago and plenty of room for new pilots like yourself.
We have Mining Operations in Corp fleets with fleet boosters, Haulers and Security Pilots in Combat Ships. It is a lot of fun Mining in Fleets, you get more Ore from it and not to forget more ISK aswell. We will fund your Mining Ships and Strip Mining Lasers aswell. We only ask for some commitment to the Corp Mining Ops at least once a week for a few hours, and you will be looked after by some very skilled pilots.

Have a look at our Recruitment Post and contact my ingame or one of the other guys from the Corp. I will send you an Eve Mail after I have finished work.

Fly safe o/

ZeroNovae


Mara Tessidar
Posted - 2010.03.02 00:44:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: ZeroNovae
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Fixed.

Ave Volta
Perkone
Posted - 2010.03.02 04:28:00 - [16]
 

Nothing against mining and your plan to be a pure miner, but thought I might throw out that mining is actually more time intensive then say moving freight or running courier contracts in high sec which can be done completely afk safely if you adhear to value limits on goods you haul depending on the ship you're hauling with.

You can make decent isk hauling products from system to system, and from region to region, buying low and selling high. Once you get enough capital you can even buy a freighter and start making some real isk hauling and region trading if you're so inclined, again mostly afk if you want. If anything it might be nice to pair with mining for some variety. Good way to see the galaxy :)


Syds Sinclair
Posted - 2010.03.03 07:34:00 - [17]
 

..OP, please reconsider going the mission route. Or even the pvp route. Mining is really honestly not worth the time invested into skilling, or the time investing into actual mining. Before you make up your mind, please read these threads:

PvE - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1272040

PvP - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=936500

Again, do not skill for mining. If you decide to ignore my waring, then please save yourself two weeks, and quit eve now.

Salmeria
Tovarsky Pharmaceuticals
Posted - 2010.03.03 08:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..OP, please reconsider going the mission route. Or even the pvp route. Mining is really honestly not worth the time invested into skilling, or the time investing into actual mining. Before you make up your mind, please read these threads:

PvE - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1272040

PvP - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=936500

Again, do not skill for mining. If you decide to ignore my waring, then please save yourself two weeks, and quit eve now.


QFT

mining is a boring waste of time... unless you plan on running like 3-4 accounts at once

My Postman
Posted - 2010.03.03 10:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..OP, please reconsider going the mission route. Or even the pvp route. Mining is really honestly not worth the time invested into skilling, or the time investing into actual mining. Before you make up your mind, please read these threads:

PvE - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1272040

PvP - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=936500

Again, do not skill for mining. If you decide to ignore my waring, then please save yourself two weeks, and quit eve now.


Or maybe you let the OP decide what he wantīs to do?

And after i outmined a belt of ark in a wh with a static exit to highsec (even in a retriever), youīll tell me again that it wasīnt worth it!ugh

Btw when noone mines anymore where are the jucy targets for you suiciders. And telling one to quit before mining is just ****. Go and try to kill someone elsewhere (ingame).

Syds Sinclair
Posted - 2010.03.03 10:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: My Postman
Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..OP, please reconsider going the mission route. Or even the pvp route. Mining is really honestly not worth the time invested into skilling, or the time investing into actual mining. Before you make up your mind, please read these threads:

PvE - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1272040

PvP - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=936500

Again, do not skill for mining. If you decide to ignore my waring, then please save yourself two weeks, and quit eve now.


Or maybe you let the OP decide what he wantīs to do?

And after i outmined a belt of ark in a wh with a static exit to highsec (even in a retriever), youīll tell me again that it wasīnt worth it!ugh

Btw when noone mines anymore where are the jucy targets for you suiciders. And telling one to quit before mining is just ****. Go and try to kill someone elsewhere (ingame).


If I let the OP decide what he wanted to do, he would pick mining because it is "lolwtfpwnomfgISKlolololrofflecopter"

What OP doesn't know is that even if the isk from mining was that great, there is pleanty of more fun activities to partake in. And funny thing: people don't start playing this game for isk, they start playing it for fun. LOL losers I know, but it's true.

Near perfect mining might suit you well AFTER you have established what makes EVE fun for you, but not BEFORE.

Heed my advice, DO NOT make mining your first profession.

Aeneidae
Caldari
Quallity Assurance Business Unit
Posted - 2010.03.03 14:05:00 - [21]
 

I still regret my 6 months of mining in an Exhumer 4 Hulk. Once i got into a T2 Raven and now a Golem i can honestly say i do at least 4 times as much money in high sec missioning then mining.

Oriss Amarr
Posted - 2010.03.03 16:59:00 - [22]
 

While all the above statements are true, mining can be VERY valuable if you decide to ever in your career move to wormhole space. You get to mine higher end ores, and there's not really too much else to do in C4+ solo, so if you're corp isn't active, going and tearing up that grav site isn't a terrible idea. Make sure to get gas mining up as well so you can hit those ladar sites hard.

Oddymandius
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.03.03 20:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: My Postman
Or maybe you let the OP decide what he wantīs to do?
The problem is that when someone starts Eve they have no information about what particular activities really entail. Giving someone accurate info <> deciding things for them.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2010.03.03 21:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Syds Sinclair
If I let the OP decide what he wanted to do, he would pick mining because it is "lolwtfpwnomfgISKlolololrofflecopter"

People associate different things with "fun".

To you, sitting in a belt hoarding rocks isn't fun. Even if mining was more profitable than running LVL 4s, you'd still not think it was fun, but you'd probably do it instead of running missions; since to you, it's about the ISK. Which is either the goal in itself for you, or the means to an end, having fun.

Others perceive mining as fun, or rather, as a pleasant hobby. Mining rocks, refining, building an item and selling it. They might even not turn a nice profit in the end, compared to just selling the minerals, but they still do it because that's how they relax and take their mind of things.

In my corp we have a dedicated miner, he provides minerals for the ammo used in mission running, minerals for corp issued internet spaceships and uses the rest for his own little production scheme. We buy it from him at buy-order prices, he sells the stuff he produces at near break even cost, all in all, he could have just moved his minerals to the nearest trading hub and probably make 20%-30% more ISK... but that just wouldn't be "fun" to him".

It's not always about Hour/ISK ratios, opportunity cost and all that other crap that the diehard EVE tycoons want you to adhere to so their EVE world makes sense. At the end of the day it's just a game, which is why trying to apply any kind of rational metric to the professions in EVE will always fail; and that rubs more than a few people the wrong way when you read the industrial based forums Laughing

Captain Knox
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.03 21:18:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Captain Knox on 03/03/2010 21:20:43
Hi guys me again thanks for the replies :)

I know mining might not be the most fun thing in the world (for some) or the best paying skill but i'm a casual player.

I'm not one for pvp usually. My intentions are to mine... smoke a doobie and hit the drawing board. Whislt firin' mah lazors at some asteroids :P

I just like to chill :)

ZeroNovae
Posted - 2010.03.04 02:47:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Captain Knox
My intentions are to mine... smoke a doobie and hit the drawing board. Whislt firin' mah lazors at some asteroids :P
I just like to chill :)


I like teh smokin da doobie part Razz


My Postman
Posted - 2010.03.04 12:09:00 - [27]
 

@ Syds + Oddymandius

Good points made, BUT as itīs an internet spaceship GAME all depends on YOUR playstyle.

Just can say to make mining my first profession wasīnt too bad decided. I finished exhumer 5 a long time ago. When finding out sucking veld in highsec isīnt quite an adrenaline rush, with those skills it wasīnt hard to find a wormhole company to go out on new experiances.

As there was a POS set which was to defend in different situations i learned my bit of pvp. Good thing about that is that mining made me so wealthy, that i donīt have to do that in a T1 fit rifter, i donīt have to care if i loose my ishkur, ishtar or my T2 fit hyperion.
I lost all of them in battle (the ishkur DID hurtSad) but it didīnt damage my wallet too much. And i learned from it that my pvp ability still sucks, but thatīs another story.

Anyway, now im doing L4īs in highsec and i canīt say i earn way much more than in the previous C5, but itīs still a hell of a lot.

Next thing i want to try is blob warfare in 0.0, maybe after that i learned how to pvp effective Very Happy.

And if i donīt like it iīll try something else, there are lot of things to do in eve.

So what i wanīt to say itīs up to you what to do, you always can change. And i donīt regret Exhumer 5, even it was a PAIN IN THE A**.

Ok, thermic hardeners on, let the flames of you hardcore pvpers come....

Captain Knox
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.03.04 17:11:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Captain Knox on 05/03/2010 00:51:47
Zero, regarding the offer to your corp. although interesting i have recently joined the rookie's.

My account is only 5 days old (roughly) and they have taught me much and am still learning. So i don't think its right to leave right away. Although if the offer is there in a few weeks i may join.

Peace x

Mielono
Caldari
SWARTA
Posted - 2010.03.05 06:17:00 - [29]
 

I started mining on day one and have never turned back. I skilled to the hulk and then when my mining fleet grew I skilled into an orca. While for most it seems boring I have alot of fun organizing my fleets, talking to our missioners as they find grav sites for us to mine. Coordinating our pvp'ers so we can mine in lowsec, mining in wormholes where I get to tap Ark every day.

I may be poor in personal isk, but I am rich with friends, with corpmates who depend on me to help them get the ships they want cheaper or an excuse to go blow something up. Mining is not instant lols fun, but it is fun, it requires dedication, paying attention to mineral prices, coordinating fleets when you find a mother lode. It takes a different mindset to be a miner, and while I wish we made a bit more isk so I could afford a new hulk here or an orca there or even someday hopefully a rorq its never really been about the isk. For alot of miners its not about what shiny new toy I can buy today, its about making something, its about supporting the economy of eve, its about making your little ripples and becoming the best at something that makes you feel happy.

Eve is a sandbox, to each their own, and while I am sure many would argue that its about accruing as much isk as you possibly can I do not believe it is, its about doing something that makes you feel important. Because honestly once you make that first trillion... and thats your only goal, what is really left for you to do?

anarogen
Posted - 2010.03.05 13:08:00 - [30]
 

meh for the mission runners, at least for my mission account, i've found mining to be a great fallback incase something goes wrong (most veteran missioners probably dont apply to this since im sure they rarely lose ships) however when i started missioning i had a bit to get used to and i went through quite a few ships, half the time too poor to replace it. so i hopped into my retriever and brought this hauler account along for a days worth of mining and bam new ship and more missions (keep in mind this was while i was still working my way through L2s lol)


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