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Doug Tapez
Posted - 2010.02.25 08:52:00 - [31]
 

There are no girls in EVE, just 20 to 40 yrs old overweight male nerds pretending to be women.

ugh


Ambo
I've Got Nothing
Posted - 2010.02.25 09:00:00 - [32]
 

I never even know if a char is male or female. I'm not interested in the char, just the person behind it and unless I know otherwise, I'll always assume that person is male.

Consequently, I'll react exactly the same in all cases:

If I'm busy with something else then ignore.
If I'm not then I'd also ignore them all. I won't have time to get into a big skills discussion, I'm done with PvE in eve so the mission does not interest me and I don't give isk to randoms, especially not whiny ones. Friends yes, randoms no.

Newbear
Posted - 2010.02.25 09:41:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Newbear on 25/02/2010 09:42:26
When I am attacked, I scream "sexual abuse" and blow on my whistle. Then fetal position and cry into my pillow. Worked for me when I was 9 years old.

Why is [email protected] censored?

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2010.02.25 10:30:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Nebarus

Trolls please leave. :\
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1. I would offer them a little advice if i was staying in the system for a while, all 3 systems i guess, probably just ask what theyd like to see themselves doing in the future and mention EveHQ and EveMon etc.

2. It would be very situational to know what my reaction would be.

3. I would join in and ask for a million isk too. Usually this then cascades into the entire hub asking for outrageous amounts of isk by the end of it. Job Done.

I treat women avatars as women, male as male. You dont wanna be called 'babe/cutey/lover' ? get yourself a man head *****.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.02.25 10:30:00 - [35]
 

Right now, treat them all the same. After Incarna, is the female walking animation is nice, I might just follow one to hell and back ... far enough back where I have a decent view that is.

ISellThingz
Posted - 2010.02.25 12:46:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: ISellThingz on 25/02/2010 12:49:17
Originally by: Neriyana
1) Ignore

2) Ignore

3) Ignore


Pretty much. I never even read local.

My Postman
Posted - 2010.02.25 15:17:00 - [37]
 

1) If asked polite, and i´m not busy, help both as far as possible ie. EveHQ, EVEmon, Skill forum.

2) If not busy and beeing in a proper ship i´ll help the male out of trouble, after checking the char, and getting ganked for it. Chances 80/20 for me. Female is a trap, i´m ganked for sure if i give it a go, so i won´t.

3) Ignore both, but it´s not a problem to help out someone i know.

TL;DR; There are no girls playing this game. Never heard one on vent. Never saw one. This game is full of scammers, gankers, griefers and a**hats only playing this game for ruining your day. Trust nobody, not even your alt!

Fake Edit: Like one of the above posters said, after WiS i would follow a sweety to hell and back, just for RPing.

Second fake edit: Just look at the forums, if going from there half the population of eve would be female - so just see tl; dr;

Hope this helps!

Ikserak tai
Posted - 2010.02.25 17:01:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Neriyana
1) Ignore

2) Ignore

3) Ignore


Local is such a mess I consider everyone either a scammer, e-peen waver, or smack-talking noob. I'm either travelling thru and rarely have time to read the dung, or I'm busy buying/selling and then undocking to go about my business.

IF the player were to convo me personally, I'd try to lend a hand though. So the answers would be:

1. I'd refer the person to the Skill Discussions on the forums. There is no such thing as a quick and easy answer to someone who has such a general question regarding training.

2. I'd consider any request for helping out on a mission a trap, and advise the player to warp in and out as many times as needed to eventually get the rat themselves.

3. Anyone asking for Isk is a scammer, period.


Unasked, I've given noobs pecking away at asteroids in mining frigs anywhere from a 1/2 to a million Isk just 'cause I know what it feels like.

I

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.02.25 17:03:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 25/02/2010 17:04:20
Originally by: Neriyana
1) Ignore

2) Ignore

3) Ignore
^^ The only purpose of local is to provide intel on who's in the system. Anyone who talks in local has, by very definition, nothing worth-while to say and is therefore not worth listening to.

SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.02.25 17:29:00 - [40]
 

1. ask them what they're focusing on and what they've trained so far. go from there.
2. ignore
3. agree and add that i'd like money too.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.02.25 17:57:00 - [41]
 

I would not bother responding to any of those questions.

This study seems rather shallow. The subject of how men and women interact online, particularity in Eve, is interesting. However I think you missed it here.

am tip: Assume ALL players of Eve are men till otherwise mentioned, noted or verified.

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2010.02.25 18:27:00 - [42]
 

My rule is to ignore everything that is not in fleetLaughing or alliance chat.

Because it is always a scam.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.02.25 18:41:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 25/02/2010 18:41:11
Originally by: Nebarus

  • 1. Imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc)

    Both characters ask the following out in local chat;
    "Could someone help me choose what skills to pick next? I'm lost :\"


In all three cases: answer honestly to stall and distract them while scanning them down to gank them.

Alternatively, if they are not in space to be ganked, either ignore or answer honestly depending on how bored I am.

Quote:
[*]2. Again , imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc). These 3 systems are missionhubs, and you’re afking/doing missions/whatever.
Suddenly, the character (mind you, again, only 1 at a time at different times) asks the following in local:

“Could someone please help me kill this Mercenary Captain? I can’t take him out by myself ):”


In all cases: leave fleet as soon as I warp to the mission, kill the NPC, then kill the mission runner as soon as they loot the wreck.

Quote:
[*]3. In 3 trade-hub systems imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, asking out in local for 1 million isk for a new ship.
How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) )



Ignore. I am a pirate, not a charity.




Unfortunately for your survey, I am not stupid enough to assume that the gender of a character portrait is the same as the gender of its owner. And even if it was, unless the person is a) going to give me free p0rn of themselves, or b) going to fall for a flirting attempt and allow me to scam/kill them, then I don't give a **** who they are, the odds of them living anywhere near me are essentially zero, so they're just another target.

ChickenOfDoom
Posted - 2010.02.28 07:59:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Doug Tapez
There are no girls in EVE, just 20 to 40 yrs old overweight male nerds pretending to be women.

ugh




hey don't forget about the underweight male nerds

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2010.02.28 08:15:00 - [45]
 

1. I'd ignore him/her.

2. I'd ignore him/her.

3. If no-one else had said it already, I'd tell them to earn it themselves.

The gender of the character is irrelevant since it's a near certainty that I won't have their portrait loaded and I won't care enough to get their info.

/Ben

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.02.28 09:38:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Neriyana
1) Ignore

2) Ignore

3) Ignore


This.

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2010.02.28 11:44:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Nebarus
Edited by: Nebarus on 25/02/2010 00:59:33
Trolls please leave. :\
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Hi fellow EVE players!

About a year ago I posted a query for help in this very forum regarding an analysis I needed help with. At the time it was concerning Physics in EVE, and why/how things ended up like they did for EVE.

This time around, however, it's not nearly as interesting an analysis that I need help with.. But none the less, it needs doing.

So, if as many of you as possible could respond to these questions as detailed as possible, I'd be eternally grateful! Honestly, ther might be tears! (firefly ftw! :D ). I might even go as far as to send you a symbolic gift of .1 isk as thanks :)

Anyways, on to the questions!

There are in essence 3 different situations that I need you to consider; Please emphasize the difference between your interactions with the male/female character!

  • 1. Imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc)

    Both characters ask the following out in local chat;
    "Could someone help me choose what skills to pick next? I'm lost :\"

    How would you react to all 6 situations (1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems)? (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) )


  • 2. Again , imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc). These 3 systems are missionhubs, and you’re afking/doing missions/whatever.
    Suddenly, the character (mind you, again, only 1 at a time at different times) asks the following in local:

    “Could someone please help me kill this Mercenary Captain? I can’t take him out by myself ):”

    How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) )


  • 3. In 3 trade-hub systems imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, asking out in local for 1 million isk for a new ship.
    How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) )



Now, that's it.. Please answer as detailed as possible; write down what you would reply in local/IM etc.

Now, the more the merrier, so. :D

Thanks all!
/Nebarus



Mmmm. Sorry for a not-so helpful answer (depending on what you were hoping to do with these results) but to all three I would say that gender doesn't even register as a category for characters.

I play with avatars off in chat windows because it eats screen real estate and doesn't really add any information to my screen.

Although I don't necessarily trust that figure thrown around that 95% of the playerbase are male (I know more girls who pretend to be blokes than vica versa it tends to be my assumption that a female character is more likely than not to be a male player. So yeah, with that in mind, I don't even look at the character icon. It's like schrodingers dong or something. Until I've been on vent with someone I kind of assume they're a bloke and I don't really think of the character as being anything.

I suppose I'd also say that I'm just as susceptible to rationalisation and lack of insight as anyone else so if this experiment is a big one maybe you should actually test this.

Also this forum is full of smart arse trolls so you might get more useful results with survey monkey or whatever.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.02.28 12:11:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Zedic on 28/02/2010 12:13:50
Edited by: Zedic on 28/02/2010 12:11:47
I'm kinda weird... ugh

I look at the picture (I obsessively load them all, was drilled into our heads to do this for non + standings pilots long long ago, in a region far far south) and the name and then I try to determine if the picture / name is a male or female. Then from that I determine how to address them, or talk about them. I cannot help but use "he" or "she".

Zebra for example likes spam, and thinks that Black Ops (and indeed the covert ship line save the bombers) needs a refresh (paraphrased). I agree with "her" but I have no idea if the person behind the character is a him or a her, but the avatar presents as female, so I say "her" until corrected.

I find it boarish and dismissive to assume that all players are male. They aren't. Some of the most deadly pvp'ers in Eve are in fact female, and they will hunt you down and slaughter your digital self purely for the hunt, or for some sort of slight they have perceived. One would do well never to cross any of them. You think Hetero males would have learned this by now. Neutral

/me points to evolutionary evidence of all female species on Earth

Like IRL, if a person presents as one sex, I attempt to classify them in my mind, and in dealing with them on a personal level as the sex they portray. "BUT ITS A MAN IN A DRESS!" doesn't really register with me. That person presents as a female, so I think of them that way. In a game, where guys make avatar's that look like their wives, or GF's in a sad attempt to quell the rising female fury that will surely fall upon them for "gaming" in the first place, I can see why guys make avatars that look like girls. That or they're low grade scammers looking for a hand out. ugh

As for your questions:

1. In each situation, I would - if I am not pressed for time, or have to be somewhere else - have a chat with the person and try and see if I can help them decide what they'd like to achieve in the game (so they can determine for themselves which skill path to follow next).

2. Again, unless otherwise assigned, or engaged I would assist the person if I could, and was in a ship that could lend support *and* this was a high security system that I could hopefully survive in long enough should it be some sort of bizarre suicide attack. I would also *not* help if I didn't think my current ship could last long enough (i.e. wouldn't bother helping in say, an interceptor).

3. No. Never. I do not give isk to beggars. I don't give a crap who they are in real life, who they portray in game whatev. Unless we're sleeping together, you aren't getting me lucky charms There are no free rides in Eve. Cash, grass or ass. YARRRR!!

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.02.28 13:46:00 - [49]
 

1. Give advice.

2. Ignore

3. Ignore


I assume all female characters are men on other end unless they specifically say. Then if they shout about it I treat them like the attention *****s they are.

Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari
Black Skull Squadron
Posted - 2010.02.28 14:09:00 - [50]
 

As a female gamer i have learnt that the reactions people have to you are not based on avatar, as many males have female avatars anyway. It comes from them learning you are really female, through voice comms or chat (i got new shoes?).

As for me i treat everyone equally, the way it should be, but i have to admit i do like the freebies sometimes :P

so

1) Try to help out (find out where they are atm. I usually go for 'how do you like to play games IE: defensive, offensive etc)
2) Ignore
3) Ignore

2 and 3 mostly because scamming is so common. Systems are irrelevent

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.02.28 17:31:00 - [51]
 

1) Offer as decent advice as I can, assuming it's a new player.
2) If a new char, offer advice on fitting.
3) Offer a Civilian miner to the beggar, and tell him to get his own ISK.

Erin Davis
Caldari
Division Six Network
The Smurfs Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.28 17:36:00 - [52]
 

i actually had a guy convo me in jita giving me about 300m in crap...all becouse i was the first female character he saw.....

I dont know why lol....it gets you free stuff sometimes.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2010.02.28 17:44:00 - [53]
 

I have my chat window set not to load icons. So this survey is null and void. try to find a realy way of doing your homework assignment.

The DarqAngel
Posted - 2010.02.28 19:18:00 - [54]
 

This ^^

EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market.


Just a comment on your observation:

My first female toon was in Ryzom. I chose female as it was a 3rd person game and I'd rather watch the rear of a shapely female than a hairy assed male with genitalia neatly tucked in his knickers.

Oscardoodle
Amarr
Posted - 2010.02.28 19:36:00 - [55]
 

1) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil
2) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil
3) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.02.28 19:44:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Oscardoodle
1) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil
2) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil
3) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil


Pff. I always preferred
1) Charon - 650mil
2) Charon - 650mil
3) Charon - 650mil

…just because of the additional level of fail required. Razz

Larg Kellein
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.02.28 21:35:00 - [57]
 

1: If they can narrow it down, I'd give either character a few pointers, but if they're truly lost, I'd tell them to think about what they want to do, then hit the skills forum. Gender of the avatar plays no role in this.

2: I don't mission much, but I wouldn't join some random person's gang. Mental conditioning from the days of Lofty suggests it's someone after me lucky charms and tears. Again, gender is irrelevant.

3: I don't see local in trade hubs. But I don't give money to beggars, again regardless of gender.

Jerid Verges
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.28 21:52:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 25/02/2010 01:31:42
Edited by: De''Veldrin on 25/02/2010 01:29:01
Originally by: Sulg
Females don't play EVE. Why do you ask questions about the impossible?


Speaking as a female player, I'd like to invite you to wander on down to lowsec and then tell the Hellcats that they're male.

Let me know how that works out for you.


^ Woman getting trolled.

That said.

1. 2. 3. All ignore.

I never have local up anyways.

Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Independent Galactic Network
Posted - 2010.02.28 22:00:00 - [59]
 

I think that either the forums aren't a good sample group... or a lot of these folks are bending the truth a little.

I have often seen men assuming that female avatar = female player in local, especially in trade hubs, where some scammers use it to great effect.

Personally I find it hard not to assume a player is female if they have a female avatar, because I wouldn't consider using one myself. Each of my characters are male, because it just wouldn't feel right to roleplay a woman in an online game. I find it a little disturbing that so many do.

As far as the questions go:

1: Male or female, don't care, I would only speak up if I felt the character was truly lost but was desperate to learn because they were addicted. I'd only answer if they'd filled in their bio... for some reason I don't trust people who have nothing in there.

If it was a busy system I wouldn't bother.

2: I'd be more inclined to assist a female avatar, if I'm honest. My characters have a certain roleplay element to them, and as such this would be something logical for them to do. Also, perhaps incorrectly, I would assume that someone who plays a female character may be likely to be less aggressive, or at least less likely to be looking for a fight.

Again, if it was a busy system, I would see myself as purely an observer, and ignore.

3: Ignore. If this character isn't a scammer by trade, he/she will become one the moment the first million hits their wallet.


Kalazar
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.03.02 21:58:00 - [60]
 

Well, seeing as I know quite a few female EVE players (who include some of the best pvpers I've come across) including my girlfriend. I can tell all the neckbeards chanting "NO GIRLS ON TEH INTERNET LULZ!!!" that there are in fact women a) on the internet in general and b) in EVE online. You just haven't seen them because they're avoiding you because they don't want you stalking them.


In response to the actual thread:

1)
Male or female: I'd ask them what they'd finished training last, and what they wanted to work towards, then give a rough outline of the things they should look to train.

2)
Male or female: Ignore (Hint: It's a tarp!)

3)
Male: If I knew them, I'd give them a million isk. If not I'd tell them to go make their own damn isk.

Female: If I knew them, I'd give them a million isk. If not I'd maybe type something along the lines of "obvious scam is obvious"


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