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Qurian
Industrialist Regime
Posted - 2010.02.21 02:55:00 - [1]
 

A little birdy told me it was best to activate it when you hit 25% shield so you have the max regen, is this true?

V'Thalla
Posted - 2010.02.21 03:22:00 - [2]
 

Someone can feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that passive regen has no effect on the shield booster, so turning it on at 25% just means you're that close to losing your shield. I'd turn it on whenever I have spare cap and my shields are damaged IMO.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.02.21 03:40:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: V'Thalla
Someone can feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that passive regen has no effect on the shield booster, so turning it on at 25% just means you're that close to losing your shield. I'd turn it on whenever I have spare cap and my shields are damaged IMO.


this.

shield boosting does squat to shield regen.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.02.21 03:46:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: V'Thalla
Someone can feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that passive regen has no effect on the shield booster, so turning it on at 25% just means you're that close to losing your shield. I'd turn it on whenever I have spare cap and my shields are damaged IMO.


if you let the shields passive regen then you don't have to use the booster as much. with my skills and fit the passive recharge adds 81 to my tank vs guristas. at full shields I don't get that extra tank, that is why it is more efficient to boost ~30% shields.

if your shields are dropping and you have almost full cap sure go ahead and boost

full shields, full cap, why waste the cap buffer?

mid shields mid cap, about where you want to be, boost as your shields go down, and your cap goes up.

low cap, low shields, keep boosting and pop some cap boosters.

Theac Osiris
Gallente
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.02.21 03:57:00 - [5]
 

Passive regen is entirely seperate from shield boosting, and most ships with a booster get far more tank by the booster than passive regen. In this case, cap regen is the prime factor determining how much tank you can sustain. Boost the instant you go low enough for a boost to be called for, and keep on boosting until either A) you'd be over-boosting, or B) you're below the 33% peak cap recharge point.

In the end, you want to have regenerated the maximum amount of capacitor over the duration of the fight, which means (without wasting cap) burning it down to 33% (where you get peak recharge) and keeping it there. Of course, you're probably in bad shape if that's the case, because that means your tank is stretched to breaking.

Passive shield tanks, by the way, reach peak tank at 33% shields remaining, which is where you get peak regeneration. If you're passive tanking and your shields drop below that, it's time to pull out the stops and GTFO.

Ernesto DaSilva
Posted - 2010.02.21 04:23:00 - [6]
 

if your tank isn't oversized for that mission and you want to get the last bit out of it, you should pulse the SB so that your shields fluctuate around 33% because that's where the passive regeneration adds most to it

Flex Nebura
Caldari
Posted - 2010.02.21 05:01:00 - [7]
 

At about 90% run it for 1 cycle. Might as well give your cap regen something to do.

Then usually you can let your shields slowly drop to 33% only boosting when your cap is almost full to make use of the cap regen.

At 33% you should boost till shields reach 50% and repeat.

Now this is all fairly dependent on your cap regen shield regen and the dps comming at you.. also if you have a small shield buffer it might be good to keep shields at a higher percentage.

Ideally you will be tanking most efficiently when both shields and cap are around 33%

Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
Discord.
Posted - 2010.02.21 05:12:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Mahke on 21/02/2010 05:12:52
Edited by: Mahke on 21/02/2010 05:12:16
back when I flew a raven, I found that keeping cap at approx 33% was much more important than managing shield passive recharge.

By all means let your shields go down to half or so, but, no need to be so careful to keep both at a third.

edit: this does assume you're flying a ship where your booster adds much more to your shields than passive recharge.

Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
Posted - 2010.02.21 05:27:00 - [9]
 

People seem to be talking about PvE, to which I feel the only relevant answer is: If you can't sustain your shield booster, you have either a ****ty fit/skills or are over-tanking. Done correctly, you just turn your tank on when you warp in, and leave it on. Although not always strictly true, I'd personally find it HUGELY embarrassing to loose a billion isk ship because you lagged and couldn't turn your booster off before it toasted your cap. Oh and if that 81 extra DPS tanked makes the difference between success and failure, on some level, you have already failed maybe not as a mission runner, but as a self-respecting human being.

In pvp, you boost when its more fortuitous to do so, which will depend on the exact situation. If you are tanking a lot of dps, then you need to fire the boost up ASAP, because your buffer is rather skinny, ideally just as your shield goes below that which you can boost in one shot (so if you can boost 500 per cycle, hit the button as you get to 500 damage taken), so you don't waste any boost. Beyond that, you'll be trying to fire it off in sync with your cap booster so there isn't a chance to get your boost neuted off.

If you aren't taking much damage, then you can sit on it until its needed, which is kinda a judgement call depending on the situation. If you COULD become primary, then you'll want to keep you shield as high as possible, so you have buffer, and the chance to boost further. If not, then just boost when it seems needed. Could be at 90% or 50% or 10% depending on incoming damage, how many boosters you have left, amount of cap warfare etc.

Kalnov
Gallente
Broski Enterprises
Posted - 2010.02.21 08:42:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Katarlia Simov
If you can sustain your shield booster, you have either a ****ty fit or are over-tanking.


Fixed your post.

Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2010.02.21 10:56:00 - [11]
 

Try to activate shield booster in a way that cap stays around 30+ % (max cap recharge).

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.02.21 11:20:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Try to activate shield booster in a way that cap stays around 30+ % (max cap recharge).


kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2010.02.21 12:44:00 - [13]
 

Depends what for. If in PvP and your trying to bait then yes. Otherwise you boost like a mofo.


Matalino
Posted - 2010.02.21 13:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Flex Nebura
Might as well give your cap regen something to do.
This! I would rather use up my capacitor and have it near the peak recharge rate, then rely on my shields passive for tanking. Having extra capacitor won't save your ship if the dps coming your way out paces your shield booster. Having extra shields means having extra time to reduce the damage or run away depending on the situation.

Doccia Ellicis
Caldari
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.02.21 14:12:00 - [15]
 

Btw, 30% is the peak recharge percentage, not 25% or 33%.

Dacryphile
Posted - 2010.02.22 04:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mahke
back when I flew a raven, I found that keeping cap at approx 33% was much more important than managing shield passive recharge.

By all means let your shields go down to half or so, but, no need to be so careful to keep both at a third.

edit: this does assume you're flying a ship where your booster adds much more to your shields than passive recharge.
This.

If you are running an active shield tank, then shield recharge rate shouldn't really be a concern. Cap recharge rate is, because that is what fuels your shield booster.

I tend to boost my shields when they are around 30%, and let the booster run until my shields are full, or the cap is around 25%, where the recharge rate is at its highest.

With your cap filling faster you can run your booster more, which is better for active tanking. If you have cap booster, you never have to worry about running out of cap either.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.02.22 09:37:00 - [17]
 

Imho these optimizations are best done in PvP or in all gank PvE setups. The 100000000 DPS tank crowd can more or less activate stuff when they want.

In a gank PvE setup (I think PVE is the topic) you will probably have an XL shield booster and possibly 800 cap charges (for the most aggressive setups) instead of a shield amp or cap recharger. In that case the capacitor can get strained more than the shield so 1 anti-cap usage rig could be useful and also to aim at using the SB only at about 30% shield and / or 25% cap left (the latter would happen more often).
In practice I only know of 2-3 missions that would even require the cap charges to be used and these are the "warp-in, whole pocket aggro at 20km + cruise launchers sentries + web sentries".

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.02.22 10:08:00 - [18]
 

If you pointlessly run your cap down to peak regen, you've just used up a buffer of cap for no purpose whatsoever. That's like shooting your own shields down some just for the hell of it, why would you do that? The whole point is to make most efficient use of your ship resources, and shield regen is a free extra on top of your active tank. It makes most sense to maximise use of this *extra* free tank, if you're taking moderately constant damage. Once you've more or less cleared a room it also makes sense to regen your shields fully, provided you think you'll have enough cap for the next room.

Dracoknight
Posted - 2010.02.22 11:01:00 - [19]
 

Personally PvP wise i start my Shield booster at 90%
PvE wise i use it when my shields reach 50%

mostly personal preference but i add some reason to it:

in PvP i boost it at 90 for various reasons:

- not to waste cap over boosting the shields
- at 90% you are probly the primary target so pray that your boosters manage to keep most of the damage away
- If your shield never reach below 80% it might make the enemy fleet change primary since your tank is just wasting their time

in PvE:

Well... ravens dont do **** of tanking in armor, so i want to keep the rats far away from it!

Theac Osiris
Gallente
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.02.22 13:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Von Kapiche
If you pointlessly run your cap down to peak regen, you've just used up a buffer of cap for no purpose whatsoever. That's like shooting your own shields down some just for the hell of it, why would you do that? The whole point is to make most efficient use of your ship resources, and shield regen is a free extra on top of your active tank. It makes most sense to maximise use of this *extra* free tank, if you're taking moderately constant damage. Once you've more or less cleared a room it also makes sense to regen your shields fully, provided you think you'll have enough cap for the next room.

We're not saying he should run his cap down pointlessly, we're saying that since active shield tankers get much more tank out of cap recharge than shield recharge, he should boost aggressively and get the capacitor running at full recharge ASAP. However, if he's not taking enough damage to warrant such aggressive boosting, it is wise to keep the cap buffer.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2010.02.22 13:53:00 - [21]
 

If you're running a proper active tank, your passive regen will be negligible. Do not even worry about it. Start boosting anytime it'll give you almost enough to top off your shield and slow down when your cap is below half.

Vigaz
Posted - 2010.02.22 14:50:00 - [22]
 

Eventually, look at ur cap % instead of the % of the shield.

I suggest to use shield booster till u reach 25%/30% of cap... then, if you can ofc, pulse the boosting to get the max efficient cap regen & shield boost effect.



 

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