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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.02.19 10:22:00 - [31]
 

This forum really needs a :cripes: and :lolsiigawi: emoticon.

Velieris
Posted - 2010.02.20 07:48:00 - [32]
 

I can't believe you all took Siigari seriously... I mean seriously, his posts are about as useful as an inflatable dartboard, a wind powered fan or a chocolate firegrate...

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.02.20 08:29:00 - [33]
 

Siigari says or does something really stupid, gets exceptionally defensive about it and then gets proved wrong?

Surely this has never happened before. Rolling Eyes

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2010.02.20 19:38:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2010 19:39:53
CCP would change it if they could, as it is not an intended mechanic

However, they tried in the past, and in fact made it easier to cloak mwd warp, wherby carriers were warping about in 3 seconds.

they immediately reverted the change, and have left it so ever since.

Basically they admitted they do not posses the technical ability to change it.

Why "we dont know how to code it" is is an acceptable excuse from the people who run the game .. who knows, But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK


Amarr Supremacist
Posted - 2010.02.20 19:58:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2010 19:39:53
CCP would change it if they could, as it is not an intended mechanic

However, they tried in the past, and in fact made it easier to cloak mwd warp, wherby carriers were warping about in 3 seconds.

they immediately reverted the change, and have left it so ever since.

Basically they admitted they do not posses the technical ability to change it.

Why "we dont know how to code it" is is an acceptable excuse from the people who run the game .. who knows, But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK




You sound very mad about it.

Sulg
Pilots of Epic
Roughneck Regulators
Posted - 2010.02.20 20:10:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2010 19:39:53
CCP would change it if they could, as it is not an intended mechanic

However,...
Why "we dont know how to code it" is is an acceptable excuse from the people who run the game .. who knows, But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK




Are you suggesting we should all cancel our subs to EVE immediately, giving our reasons for quitting as, "CCP, you game is just not good enough for me with the broken MWD/cloak mechanic. -Until then!"?

Also, I prefer to be called a cow player instead. Moo.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.02.20 20:27:00 - [37]
 

This was my favorite part.

Originally by: Le Skunk
But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK


I never realized that the subcription money was divided by eve social class terminology like "hardcore" and "sheep" into different development paths. Who knew? Surprised

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.02.20 21:46:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2010 19:39:53
CCP would change it if they could, as it is not an intended mechanic

However, they tried in the past, and in fact made it easier to cloak mwd warp, wherby carriers were warping about in 3 seconds.

they immediately reverted the change, and have left it so ever since.

Basically they admitted they do not posses the technical ability to change it.

Why "we dont know how to code it" is is an acceptable excuse from the people who run the game .. who knows, But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK




I could have sworn there was a time when CCP made a change to the way cloaks and ECM work and this had the unintended side effect of causing the cloak to disable your MWD as soon as it was activated (IE, both your current speed and top speed were reduced immediately, instead of having your current speed slowly reduce via a function of agility)). There was a LOT of complaining about it because traditional scout ships such as cov ops could no longer evade gate camps. CCP fixed this a few days or a week later (can't remember exactly).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty certain that this was the perfect opportunity for CCP to nerf the MWD+Cloak trick for good, but they decided to reverse this.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.02.20 23:18:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Zeba
This was my favorite part.

Originally by: Le Skunk
But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK


I never realized that the subcription money was divided by eve social class terminology like "hardcore" and "sheep" into different development paths. Who knew? Surprised


then you are one of the sheep Twisted Evil

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.02.21 00:34:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
CCP would change it if they could, as it is not an intended mechanic

However, they tried in the past, and in fact made it easier to cloak mwd warp, wherby carriers were warping about in 3 seconds.

they immediately reverted the change, and have left it so ever since.

Basically they admitted they do not posses the technical ability to change it.

Why "we dont know how to code it" is is an acceptable excuse from the people who run the game .. who knows, But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK
hi,

we met before and you know I use this tactic. I think it's a good one. I have several points in its defense:
1) this tactic is crucial to enabling solo pvp in large slow ships (battleships, bc)
2) this tactic has counters in 0.0 space - dictors, HICs, mobile warp distruptors

It is my opinion that low sec empire was meant to be a little safer and easier to go thru than 0.0 space. That is achieved in various ways, gate guns - discourage fast frigate tacklers. CPP specifically disabled all use of warp bubbles in low sec. Why do you think they did it? I think they also agree that low sec should be less dangerous than 0.0

I don't think it's quite fair for low sec inhabitants to demand all the perks and benefits of 0.0
I live in 0.0, and honestly, these sentiments remind me of high sec carebears wanting more benefits of 0.0 space to be available to them.
In both cases, my answer is: come to 0.0 and get it

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2010.02.21 01:10:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/02/2010 01:11:05
Hmm more response then i was expecting - some answers:

* Amarr Supremacist - I have been mad about it in the past. Not as mad as about logofski though

* Sulg - Im suggesting that if people had the balls to penalize CCP for bad decisions (and this goes for any decision, lack of decisions, ****s up etc - not just the one discussed here) using a sliding scale method along the lines of

1) Dont resub an alt account for one month
2) Dont resub any alt accounts
3) Dont resub your main etc

And it became clear to CCP their wallet was directly battered by their failures - they would be forced to deal with them.

Presently, they can sit secure in the knowlege that no matter how much people blather and yell on the forums, each month their account is resubbed.

Lack of competition and addictive gameplay ensures this.

* Zeba - Yes it does

* Taedrin - In fact the change to ecm you describe had the effect of making it possible to align and warp a carrier in seconds. I believe there is a video somewhere on youtube of this.

That was the reason the changes were reverted - not the moaning of some 0.0ers.

But thats EXACTLY what im talking about CCP saw an element of the game they didnt like (ecm then cloaking) and wanted to change, tried to change it, ballsed it up, reverted the changes, then left it.THEY WERE UNABLE TO WRITE CODE TO CHANGE IT. So we are playing a game where the programmers fail to be able to programme their game.

* Chainsaw - Yes I didnt say i wasnt.

* Empheron - We have discussed this before - and it comes down to this

Would a module ever be put in the game as follows:

JOVIAN COMBAT AVOIDANATOR
* Slots: One high one medium
* Effect: The jovian combat avoidanator enables the player to avoid all gate camps in low and high sec no matter what ship he is flying.

It enables fully combat fit, the slowest ships in the games to be unable to be tackled by the quickest lockers in the game.

It also allows the player to cloak and comes with a built in mwd.

The answer is, this module would never be put in the game as it is self evidently overpowered.

If it would never be put in the game, why is it ok an unintended side effect of a cloak and mwd is to achieve the same purpose?

Fully fit, dead slow combat ships should not be able to F1-F2 past 40 man gangs - whether its in Jita, Low sec, or deep 0.0

For ever time a "solo pvper" has his experience enhanced by this side effect, theres a solo pvper who has to watch helplessly as some risk adverse mission runner whips past them.

SKUNK

N.B Bit of a long post apologies

Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2010.02.21 02:01:00 - [42]
 

Siigari, I'm happy for you... imma let you finish...
But Le Skunk does the best drunken posting EVER!

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.02.21 02:02:00 - [43]
 

It is wrong to think that this tactic gives invulnerability or anything near it. As I said already, 0.0 has very effective counters already.
In low sec, every once in a while people make mistakes and don't use it properly.

For those hated carebears - there are alternative tactics you could use to kill them, other than camping the gate. Granted, none of them are as easy as simply waiting on the gate and ganking whatever comes thru, but EVE isn't meant to be easy. Consider the flip side - if the carebear knows he has no chance of making it in low sec, he would stop trying to go. You benefit more by giving them a feeling of hope and waiting for them to slip up or use other tactics once they are in low sec.

For solo pvper, this tactic doesn't work once they are committed to a fight. Many smart people use bait tactics, or sometimes they are willing to engage someone with equal force so the solo guy is willing to fight.

There are always many opportunities to explore. If you go as far as to compare a tactic to new module of invulnerability, then you have to be willing to accept that gate camp tactic with overwhelming forces is also overpowered and equivalent to some insta-lock / insta-kill module. By that logic, CCP would have to nerf gate camping because the victim has no chance.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.02.21 05:21:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Zeba on 21/02/2010 05:48:07
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Zeba
This was my favorite part.

Originally by: Le Skunk
But the sheep players of eve continue to pump in subscription money so why should they care.

SKUNK


I never realized that the subcription money was divided by eve social class terminology like "hardcore" and "sheep" into different development paths. Who knew? Surprised


then you are one of the sheep Twisted Evil
Don't make me hotdrop my cap fleet on your pink pirate arse.. Razz

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2010.02.21 15:42:00 - [45]
 

So am I to understand that Le Skunk keeps a posting alt account active, just so he can remind CCP why all his other alt accounts haven't been resubbed?

Marko Riva
Posted - 2010.02.21 17:16:00 - [46]
 

I'm trying to figure out if this thread is just slightly amusing, or actually just horribly bad. Perhaps it's both?

Xing Fey
Posted - 2010.02.21 21:17:00 - [47]
 

Y'know MWDs have a 10s activation time...


Just putting that out there....

el Sabor
Posted - 2010.02.22 00:00:00 - [48]
 

Sounds like your solution is rage quitting on a regular basis skunk :p there are some issues in eve, yeah, but it's a tad OTT to regard some mechanics you disagree with as massive failures. People will pay sub as long as the game is fun. end of.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.02.22 00:13:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
This forum really needs a :cripes: and :lolsiigawi: emoticon.


Me thinks the :lolsiigari: one would be the most used. Laughing

Siigari Kitawa stop posting, not sure I can stand that much laughter again. Laughing

Plave Okice
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Yezhovshchina
Posted - 2010.02.22 11:22:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Marko Riva
I'm trying to figure out if this thread is just slightly amusing, or actually just horribly bad. Perhaps it's both?


Both, it's amusing because it's bad.

OP makes statement which is untrue and only highlights his incompetence. After being proven incompetent still maintains part of his statement was correct, despite being told by everyone else who isn't so incompetent that he's wrong about that too.

Bad + funny.

Amantus
Gallente
Malignant Enterprises
Posted - 2010.02.25 03:18:00 - [51]
 

it deffo works

Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2010.02.25 11:40:00 - [52]
 

no nerf .... we still miss some big ships on gate with this trick

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.02.25 11:46:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Artemis Rose on 25/02/2010 11:46:24
Le Skunk

How can you continue to maintain the "super crazy uber (emo)nerdrage" about everything CCP does for all these years?

I really applaud your stamina.


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