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dtyk
Posted - 2010.02.10 23:10:00 - [31]
 

Be happy it's where it is. If the DT was at, lets say, 4-5am (UTC, since that's what the EVE clock and CCP use), we would have grumpy devs to it, and it would both take longer and get done much more carelessly because everyone there would want to get back to their normal night-time activities. Instead of that, we have a 11-12 DT, which means the DT is in middle of the devs work day and next to their lunch, which means they will be quick and alert when doing it, and it will get done well and get done fast, AND Americans will mostly be sleeping, Europeans will mostly be working, and Aussies/Kiwis, I believe, will mostly be sad.

Jacabon Mere
Caldari
Capital Storm.
Reverberation Project
Posted - 2010.02.10 23:48:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Jacabon Mere on 10/02/2010 23:49:26
Originally by: Malcanis
In before chippy ozzies


yeah this guy has no reason to complain.

Eastern oz here. With current DST it's between 10 and 11pm. During winter it's between 9 and 10.

During the day has to suck. You can't play eve at work then.

EDIT: I have fat fingers and an iphone

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.02.10 23:54:00 - [33]
 

My downtime is 6-7 AM, what are you talking about?

Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari
Black Skull Squadron
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:05:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kidain
I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :)

No other game has DT everyday that I know of?


Most MMO's have DT at some point, i believe WoW's is like once a week but the DT lasts for 12hrs or something stupid, which is more time altogether then EvE's per week. Havnt played any other MMO's so im not sure about them but they would all need maintence. Eve is just a very high maintence game tbh.

DT is from 10pm-11pm at night here for me in australia and im not complaining.


Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:12:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 11/02/2010 00:16:01
Originally by: Mr Epeen
We're the largest percentage (in before "lol Americans are fat!" joke) of EVE players, thus I wouldn't be surprised at all if we factored into the decision process, despite what snarky, condescending Europeans like yourself might think.

If you don't believe me, look here. Look toward the bottom, where there's a table with percent of subscribers and percent of voters by country. Americans make up about 37% of the players of EVE, followed by the UK with about 14%.


GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Must be hard to type replies while standing at attention at full salute with a patriotic tear in your eye.

Like I said, you just got lucky on this one. If CCP were anywhere else. Say Australia, it would be you that was whining about an inconvenient downtime and not the Aussies, Germans, Kiwis etc.


I give you facts, you continue to spout nonsense. You're not even worth replying to. I'm also glad you don't run a business if you don't see the difference between inconveniencing almost 40% of your user base versus 5% or 10%.

Originally by: Stick Cult
I really think it has nothing to do with the players at all. It's just the middle of the work day for CCP, which lets them fix anything that might go wrong over downtime, or deploy patches, or whatever, without having shifts at 2 in the morning.


This is probably the biggest factor, yes, but they could probably have it at any time during their work day. I'm sure they try to inconvenience the smallest possible part of the player-base as possible and use the 8 hour wiggle-room during their workday to do so.

Joe Censored
UNKN0WN ENTITY
Frater Adhuc Excessum
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:18:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:25:29
Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:22:31
Last I checked 40% of EVE subscribers are in the USA, with another 5% in Canada. That's a higher percentage than all European countries combined. Since it makes sense to have downtime affect the least number of players possible (duhhh, keep as many customers happy as possible, this is all about getting RL money out of people's pockets afterall), having it be in the 3am-6am range for the most popular timezones should be expected.

Combined with having downtime optimal for workdays in Iceland, there is really no reason to have it at any other time.

If you want this to change, start trying to recruit more Euro players to the game. Having 40% of the subscriber base coming from a single country is making you Euro guys look bad not being able to keep up when you include your entire continent.

Edit: Oh and to the guy claiming it was all about the Iceland TZ and CCP would gladly throw up a middle finger to the US players if it made things easier, you are a moron. CCP has US offices also, and could easily move administration of downtime to those if it benefited them in anyway what-so-ever.

Samantha U
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:22:00 - [37]
 

Don't the Goons make up a large part of the US contingent?

Catherine Frasier
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:23:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Joe Stalin
Combined with having downtime optimal for workdays in Iceland, there is really no reason to have it at any other time.

If you want this to change, start trying to recruit more Euro players to the game.
I think unmooring Iceland and towing it into another time zone is your only hope if you want to influence DT scheduling.

Davin Airitsu
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:25:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
If CCP were anywhere else. Say Australia, it would be you that was whining about an inconvenient downtime and not the Aussies, Germans, Kiwis etc.



I doubt that. Our own homegrown MMO wouldn't even release a local server, nor cater to us for downtime, before it crashed horribly. Despite the fact that a very old MMO has a decade old server in Australia that has it's own localised timing.

The EVE server is designed for a global audience. It needs to perform downtime when most of the globe is sleeping. It'd simply mean night shift crews coming in at around 10:00PM to perform maintenance.


Esu Nahalas
Yote Patrol
Posted - 2010.02.11 00:52:00 - [40]
 

You think you have it tough? On Pluto, DT occurs six times a day, and never when it's convenient.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.02.11 02:44:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Samantha U
Don't the Goons make up a large part of the US contingent?


There's not enough Goons for that to be the case. Even if all Goons were Americans (and they're not), they'd still only make up maybe 3-4% of US players.

Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.02.11 03:42:00 - [42]
 

I'm sick of these stupid 4am downtimes! fix it CCP!!!


Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2010.02.11 04:24:00 - [43]
 

It's 5 or 6am east coast USA.......I'm always asleep.

sue denim
Posted - 2010.02.11 04:35:00 - [44]
 

I don't think everything done during DT is an automated process, or if it is they at least want to monitor it, which means they have to be in the office and on the job, and why the hell would they want that at 5-6 am :|

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.02.11 05:27:00 - [45]
 

A more disturbing question must be answered first:

Why is your 'l' at the end of your "middel" ?

And for the answer to YOUR issue: Experts agree, its always darkest just before the lights come on.

hth

Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.02.11 05:51:00 - [46]
 

Why is my poop time always when I least expect it?

Samantha U
Posted - 2010.02.11 06:06:00 - [47]
 

Prunes

Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau
Posted - 2010.02.11 07:15:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Joe Stalin
Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:25:29
Edited by: Joe Stalin on 11/02/2010 00:22:31
Last I checked 40% of EVE subscribers are in the USA, with another 5% in Canada. That's a higher percentage than all European countries combined.


maybe you should check yoou math. First of all it more like 38% from the USA.
Second: USA and Canada combined are about the same number as all European countries combined.
Just saying.
The main reason is propably that no one wants to work at 5am if he can do the same work at 11am.
It will always sucks for one time zone.

Ivy Scorn
Amarr
Nethro Ore Conglomerate
Posted - 2010.02.11 07:35:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
I give you facts, you continue to spout nonsense. You're not even worth replying to. I'm also glad you don't run a business if you don't see the difference between inconveniencing almost 40% of your user base versus 5% or 10%.


Aw, a cute american failpost. Dude, you can't compare the US to one single country within Europe. If anything, you'd have to compare against the entirety of Europe. But even that would be pretty much nonsense.

To make any serious point, you'd have to compare the number of subscribers per affected timezone. First of course you'd have to define "affected". I.e. LIke the OP, I'm from GMT+1 too and I'm seriously wondering why the OP would complain about the DT. It's pretty convenient where it is. Most people work or are at school at that time. And if it's the weekend and they're already awake, they're crazy.

AccesiViale
The Artful Dodgers
Posted - 2010.02.11 07:49:00 - [50]
 

I'm GMT-6 reporting DT is still in the middle of my work day. If I ever had time to log in from work I would be sad. Any way you cut it, somebody will be wearing a frown.

Menotan Vherokior
Posted - 2010.02.11 08:09:00 - [51]
 

Simply for my convenience. I get home from work by the time Eve DT is over.

Hehe. Seriously, I believe it's probably set at this time for dev's and ISD to be able fix a problem after the database serves are cleaned up and are restarted and proceeds to crash. Ever played an MMO or FPS server where it automatically restarts, crashes and where all the dev's are sleeping? Not fun.

Cyenwulf
Posted - 2010.02.11 08:51:00 - [52]
 

1 hour daily downtimes are a thousand times better than losing entire nights to 8+ hours of weekly maintenance.

cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.02.11 09:43:00 - [53]
 

Take your pick: middle of the working day, during prime-time, or late at night. Because depending on your answer, you may want to move to the US/Canada, NZ/Australia, or just stay in Europe. The purpose of downtime is for CCP to work on the server, so they picked their working hours for it. The timing of it as it relates to the players around the world is just a side-effect.

Dani WH
Posted - 2010.02.11 11:34:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Dani WH on 11/02/2010 11:37:06
Awww, a selfish german Cool

you know, Earth is a sphere and not everyone sleeps/works at same time, do you? Wink

if you look at servers graph you realize 11-12GMT and nearer times are the least active. This is because most Americans are sleeping and Europeans are still at work before lunch time.

you usually get lunch after job, and then spare time. So this is the best solution for both Europe/America, meaning 80% of eve population is happy. Poor asians, but oh well...

and finally, it happens that 11-12GMT is a great time cause its a work time in Iceland and UK. So everybody wins.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2010.02.11 11:42:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Dani WH
Edited by: Dani WH on 11/02/2010 11:37:06
Awww, a selfish german Cool

you know, Earth is a sphere and not everyone sleeps/works at same time, do you? Wink

if you look at servers graph you realize 11-12GMT and nearer times are the least active. This is because most Americans are sleeping and Europeans are still at work before lunch time.

you usually get lunch after job, and then spare time. So this is the best solution for both Europe/America, meaning 80% of eve population is happy. Poor asians, but oh well...

and finally, it happens that 11-12GMT is a great time cause its a work time in Iceland and UK. So everybody wins.


AFAIK Asia (Or, China, at least?) have separate servers.
Your statement still stands, though, most people are either sleeping or at work during DT.
Heck, even young people in school are mostly just getting home, or still in school Razz

Grendelfreak
Posted - 2010.02.11 11:52:00 - [56]
 

So, what do the other Australians and our sheep-buggering cousins do during Downtime?

Cloudcobra
Caldari
LifeLine Solutions
Posted - 2010.02.11 11:52:00 - [57]
 

Also, the total DT each week is more or less the same as most other MMOs out there, who have 5-8 hours DT on one day.

Lexx Khadar
Minmatar
HellForge.
Lucky Starbase Syndicate
Posted - 2010.02.11 12:05:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Lexx Khadar on 11/02/2010 12:10:14

Because the servers and the people maintaining them are in London.

Originally by: Kidain
I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :)

No other game has DT everyday that I know of?


Because no other MMO has the size of database to maintain for one server cluster.

Originally by: GIGAR
Originally by: Dani WH
Edited by: Dani WH on 11/02/2010 11:37:06
Awww, a selfish german Cool

you know, Earth is a sphere and not everyone sleeps/works at same time, do you? Wink

if you look at servers graph you realize 11-12GMT and nearer times are the least active. This is because most Americans are sleeping and Europeans are still at work before lunch time.

you usually get lunch after job, and then spare time. So this is the best solution for both Europe/America, meaning 80% of eve population is happy. Poor asians, but oh well...

and finally, it happens that 11-12GMT is a great time cause its a work time in Iceland and UK. So everybody wins.


AFAIK Asia (Or, China, at least?) have separate servers.
Your statement still stands, though, most people are either sleeping or at work during DT.
Heck, even young people in school are mostly just getting home, or still in school Razz


The only reason they set up the china server was due to chinas very strict laws governing internet usage and content.

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2010.02.11 12:17:00 - [59]
 

I'll bite: It doesn't go down in the middel of the day, it goes down in the middle of the day.

Kidain
Gallente
Rule of Five
Posted - 2010.02.11 13:03:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Kidain on 11/02/2010 13:03:53
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Kidain
I have to question why it "has" to go down everyday? This isn't me moaning it;s me genuinely asking :)

No other game has DT everyday that I know of?


No other game has 40+ (55K on the weekend!) subs active at once on the same server. Tranquillty gets millions of transactions, ship kills, skill ups, and session changes ect. The poor thing works 23 hours a day Shocked, let it have its 1 hour coffee break .



Well that makes total sense... Embarassed

Thanks all for letting me know :)

I suppose if I had just thought about it :P And you made me feel guilty now

*pats Tranq*


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