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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.02.09 23:45:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Daemonspirit
Originally by: MalcanisExactly. Incarna is absolutely necessary for EVE - and CCP - to survive and grow in scope in the years to come.

I am at a loss as to how people can be blind to the long term potential of Incarna. It is probably the single most important expansion EVE will ever get. The possibilities are almost limitless, as anyone with the least imagination can easily see.

In the long term, EVE needs more things to do.[/quote



Unimaginitive and Blind, reporting in!

Laughing


Well you seem very pleased with yourself. What I dont understand is why? Dont you like the idea of being able to do new and different things?

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.02.10 00:05:00 - [62]
 

It's not a new feature, it's an upgrade.

It's an upgrade to ship spinning.

Dani SP
Posted - 2010.02.10 00:27:00 - [63]
 


NEMESIS SIN
Posted - 2010.02.10 00:43:00 - [64]
 


I give you, Torfi Frans Ólafsson also known as God.


Its all pretty much right there . . .

Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
Posted - 2010.02.10 00:52:00 - [65]
 

As long as there will be grappling hooks and rocket jumping, I'll be happy Razz

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.02.10 00:59:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Dani SP
So they have been developing this for 4 years... (2006-2010) ... so far Rolling Eyes


Yeah. What's your point? Neutral

DWEnvision
Posted - 2010.02.10 01:14:00 - [67]
 

I can see down the road CCP coming out with Incarna. Personally, I am in no hurry to play it. Its hard enough for me to PVP with all the lag and ****.

Oscardoodle
Amarr
Posted - 2010.02.10 01:23:00 - [68]
 

If they redesign my avatar I will quit eve. I <3 the grumpy old man look.

Nemesis Factor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.02.10 01:32:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 10/02/2010 01:32:55
A good portion of the haters in this thread are arguing that Incarna will kill pvp, which is only true if you have EVER seen someone undock despite the obvious lack of safety (which I have not). You should probably look at the big picture. Incarna will draw in a ton more subscribers, which will more than compensate for those carebear targets you lost to the expansion.

PVPers pretty much rely on other players to enjoy the game, but are adamant that they have it THEIR way. Why don't we just do away with station altogether? All they do is let your targets get away.

And yes, you shouldn't be whining about not being able to avoid pvp in this game, because it IS a pvp game. But thankfully not for long.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.10 01:43:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/02/2010 01:45:15
Originally by: Malcanis
I am at a loss as to how people can be blind to the long term potential of Incarna.


I think it's just that most people lack vision and are afraid of change. If it's not a small, incremental improvement to what they already know, they'll freak out and hate whatever the change is even if the change makes things better in every way.

I've seen it time and time again and not just in EVE: "This doesn't work exactly like what I'm used to, so even though it's better in every way, I hate it!Evil or Very Mad"

I agree that Incarna is the gateway to EVE becoming the full sci-fi simulator that CCP wants it to be. Only existing in a ship is quite limiting, and I say that as someone who loves spaceships and games based around them.

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.10 02:22:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 10/02/2010 02:23:08
I have, am and always will look forward to Incarna. Why? Because it makes the game more interesting. I WANT to wander around a space station when I log in, doing the sort of thing you do in a Sci-Fi for at least half of each episode. I WANT to have a corp office that I can customize and use for meetings and a hangout spot. I WANT to wander around in a lab coat and refer to everything as a doohickey and really **** off the roleplayers.

Basically I think it will be really fun. Sure, it doesn't add anything to the gameplay but it's a vital part of CCP's long term goals - make EVE the most immersive thing on the planet and get an excellent engine in hand for development of other games (WoD for example).

Speculation of schedule based on CCP getting their guesses right:

June 2010: Stage 1 of Planetary Interaction Expansion comes out. Possible modification to industry to reflect this - hopefully a POS update too.
Nov/Dec 2010: Dust 512 released - Stage 2 of Planetary Interaction Expansion. Incarna makes sense to be released here as D512 is only technically an expansion.

D512 and Incarna are, I recall, both entirely seperate projects within CCP to the EVE core dev team? If my memory's right the schedule above might be doable. But we know NOTHING and most of us are not in IT - it's entirely possible that both projects are delayed.

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2010.02.10 03:14:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Daemonspirit on 10/02/2010 03:15:50
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Daemonspirit

Unimaginitive and Blind, reporting in!
Laughing


Well you seem very pleased with yourself. What I dont understand is why? Dont you like the idea of being able to do new and different things?


All i can think of is Incarna = Second Life, which I wouldn't touch with the proverbial 10 foot pole. Seriously, if I want to walk around a mall and window shop, I can better do that in a mall! If I want to hold a meeting, Vent/TS work fine. If I want to shop "online", I can do that and actually get my items at home!

Dressing up an avatar? Next thing you know we'll all be able to remake our avatars to look like Night Elves and Tauren....Rolling Eyes


No thanks...

Edit to add: I understand that Incarna is coming and I have no delusions about the importance of my own opinion....

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.02.10 03:58:00 - [73]
 

They mgiht end up throwing in other goodies if both incarna dust and other bits are delayed or reordered CCP are being pretty quite on it which usually means a delay but hey who cares really we keep playing, startrek online is out if u want something different

Dusica
Amarr
Posted - 2010.02.10 04:13:00 - [74]
 

Maybe the ship hangars videos that were used on fanfest actually designed for Incarna and were not just made for fanfest as most ppl think :D ?!
That would be cool ^_^

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2010.02.10 06:41:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
I really doubt that we'll see Incarna even as soon as this December. Normally by now they'd have released some info on the spring/March expansion. I think that the next expansion for mid year will be pretty empty of content.

They'll probably make a huge deal about T3 frigs, but they'll end up being redundant and not really have much of an impact on the game at all, similar to how EAS frigs are currently.

We'll probably see little progress in the development of a better mining system, better production and invention, resource management, the development of lowsec space, the reduction of highsec as an easy and completely safe source of ISK, the continued use of local as an intel tool.

The game will continue to slow in it's progression. It'll continue to grow, but at a slower and slower pace with each step being more conservative than the last, particularly when it comes to PVP changes.


Notify: Bellum Eternus has activated "Old, bitter vet" mode.

Daenosa
Ghost Festival
Posted - 2010.02.10 09:54:00 - [76]
 

just posted this in the thread about incarna.
All the people whining about incarna obviously haven't actually gone and seen what its about and what stations will include on the inside.
The immersion and added gameplay will be huge, but yeah carry on being ignorant.

Naked Horse
Gallente
Shadow Company
Legiunea ROmana
Posted - 2010.02.10 11:35:00 - [77]
 

Incarna is CCP's Duke Nukem Forever.

Haxfar Portlaind
Posted - 2010.02.10 12:47:00 - [78]
 

/me looks for the "someone is wrong on the Internet" on xkcd.com

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.10 12:51:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: NEMESIS SIN
Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 09/02/2010 04:06:54
I think that the real issue with Incarna is that the ways it can break the game, and make it really suck, are far to many to count.


In a game where people won't even undock during a wardec, go to low sec, or engage in PVP unless there are overwhelming odds in their favor--a station only expansion of EVE Online that would make it so you would never have to touch a spaceship again--could be a real issue for this game.


Implementing such a thing needs to be done very delicately, if CCP wants to maintain the "spaceship sandbox" MMO that they have been pitching. Could you imagine if a good % of EVE Online hardly every undocked, or only undocked half the time?


What becomes of places like Jita, wardecs, and 0.0 pew pew, if people can just dock, gamble and look at strippers while the real game is trying to happen outside?



Its kind of a big deal, and it has nothing to do with the technological development needed to implement it. We could Have WOW-like characters walking in stations right now if CCP wanted it.



All that being said, Dominion created epic, fleet blob killing lag. Imagine what bugs Incarna could bring to the tabel. ugh

Actually, what it will do is allow people to relax more ingame, instead of just logging in, getting bored and logging out as they do not have the time to actively do anything else, let's face it, EVE requires a fairly large time investment to play, and without that, its easy to just say bugger it and desub, two of my friends cancelled their subscriptions simply because EVE isn't all that good as just a way to wind down in the evening after work, logging in to spend 3 hours doing a PVP op or a few hours to run some missions isn't all that fun after you've just gotten home, chilling out in station however, is one way to remedy this.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.02.10 12:55:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Daemonspirit
Edited by: Daemonspirit on 10/02/2010 03:15:50
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Daemonspirit

Unimaginitive and Blind, reporting in!
Laughing


Well you seem very pleased with yourself. What I dont understand is why? Dont you like the idea of being able to do new and different things?


All i can think of is Incarna = Second Life, which I wouldn't touch with the proverbial 10 foot pole. Seriously, if I want to walk around a mall and window shop, I can better do that in a mall! If I want to hold a meeting, Vent/TS work fine. If I want to shop "online", I can do that and actually get my items at home!

Dressing up an avatar? Next thing you know we'll all be able to remake our avatars to look like Night Elves and Tauren...Rolling Eyes


No thanks...

Edit to add: I understand that Incarna is coming and I have no delusions about the importance of my own opinion....


Um, what? Candidly, I have a bit of a hangover, so I can't quite tell if you're being ironic or something. Are you actually serious?

Because if you are... OK, this isn't going to end well. I'll just remind you that CCP have said that it wont be mandatory; you'll be able to carry on and play the game exactly as you always did if that's what you prefer.

Dani SP
Posted - 2010.02.10 13:36:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Dani SP
So they have been developing this for 4 years... (2006-2010) ... so far Rolling Eyes


Yeah. What's your point? Neutral


Can't you see the point?

the soon™ at its best Laughing

how can people expect Incarna to be available at next expansion, considering this soon™ policy? Rolling Eyes

Sista Jaxx
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.02.10 14:07:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Sista Jaxx on 10/02/2010 14:11:28
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kessiaan
Edited by: Kessiaan on 09/02/2010 04:40:14
I fully support CCP taking their time and doing it right, so long as it's worth the wait.

Ambulation (or Walking in Stations or whatever the hell we're calling it now) has the potential to be the single most expansive addition to EvE ever (and possibly the whole MMO genre) if it's done right. I've been saying that since I started playing this game in 2007 and I'll keep saying it until it finally comes out.

I really don't care if someone's wartargets suddenly have options other than 'undock and run for it' or 'go play something else for a while'. I hate station games, I think most people do.




Exactly. Incarna is absolutely necessary for EVE - and CCP - to survive and grow in scope in the years to come.

I am at a loss as to how people can be blind to the long term potential of Incarna. It is probably the single most important expansion EVE will ever get. The possibilities are almost limitless, as anyone with the least imagination can easily see.

In the long term, EVE needs more things to do.


This!! And nothing more.

It's a shame some people can be so shortsighted.

Aleiceland
Posted - 2010.02.10 14:27:00 - [83]
 

incarna is a Hoax m8 , everyone knows that by now.
will never happend.


Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.02.10 16:39:00 - [84]
 

incarna will need a /dance and /stripperdance command

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.10 18:30:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/02/2010 18:33:28
Originally by: Daenosa
just posted this in the thread about incarna.
All the people whining about incarna obviously haven't actually gone and seen what its about and what stations will include on the inside.
The immersion and added gameplay will be huge, but yeah carry on being ignorant.


The problem is that many people don't care one whit about immersion and see EVE (and online games in general) as a set of rules and mechanics that they manipulate to grief or assert their e-dominance over other players.

I personally wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't as immersive as it is, and I very much look forward to more immersion. I play this game to pretend I'm a spaceship pilot in a virtual universe with a deep, rich setting. You don't have to be a hardcore role player to appreciate immersion.

All of that said, the latest info implies that there will be gameplay elements to Incarna involving the criminal underground and being "off the grid", rather than it being purely social and immersive as previous info indicated. It's just that those gameplay elements are very vague right now, since Incarna is coming, at soonest, almost a year from now.

Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.02.10 19:29:00 - [86]
 

A lot of people here are showing that they've forgotten about the RPG part of MMORPG...

It's the depth as well as the breadth of the Eve experience that I enjoy. Incarna will just add to that depth. As someone who's part of an RP corp and alliance I'm really looking forward to being able to sit down in a conference room and plan strategy with corpmates, get together with other pilots to celebrate after a successful op, get to meet new friends and exchange insults with enemies, etc. The current methods of doing those things (typically in a chat window) really don't make for very immersive gameplay.

The coming of Incarna opens up so many new avenues of player interaction that it definitely has the potential to breathe new life into the game. Remember that a static game doesn't attract new players and fails to keep the long-term interest of current players and therefore eventually dies.

PS--For those complaining about Incarna please remember that it's an optional feature that will be hosted on separate servers so that you can ignore it if you so choose and it will not add extra strain on the current server cluster.

Sista Jaxx
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.02.10 22:40:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: NEMESIS SIN


Now, would anyone like to actually talk about the potential effects of Incarna VS the present game environment. And include content that does not involve lag?


Sure!

Well, as there is only so far they can go with the game as is, I believe 'Incarna' will significantly increase all kinds of elements and levels of game play and immersion. Of course it might not be what everyone wants. But that's okay. You can remain in your internet spaceships all the time and never step into a station if that's what you choose to do. As far as I understand, you can continue to play the game the same way you do now.

Explain how this expansion will not deliver a foundation on which to continue to build on an already amazing game?

Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.02.11 05:45:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Frenden Dax
Incarna is a fluff expansion.

I'd much rather see revisions to existing content than I would be able to run around playing Second Life in EVE.

This is approximately my feelings.

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2010.02.11 08:55:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Um, what? Candidly, I have a bit of a hangover, so I can't quite tell if you're being ironic or something. Are you actually serious?

Because if you are... OK, this isn't going to end well. I'll just remind you that CCP have said that it wont be mandatory; you'll be able to carry on and play the game exactly as you always did if that's what you prefer.

You asked me why I felt the way I did, I answered your question:
Originally by: Malcanis
Well you seem very pleased with yourself. What I dont understand is why? Dont you like the idea of being able to do new and different things?

and then kicked it up with hyperbole - the "night elves/tauren" statement. That is why the whole "Incarna" thing doesn't appeal to me, and seems like a waste of resources when so much else in Eve needs fixing/updating (core code is 7 yrs old, doesn't support multi-threading, "UI" improvements and fixing lag...)

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.02.11 13:26:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Daemonspirit
Originally by: Malcanis
Um, what? Candidly, I have a bit of a hangover, so I can't quite tell if you're being ironic or something. Are you actually serious?

Because if you are... OK, this isn't going to end well. I'll just remind you that CCP have said that it wont be mandatory; you'll be able to carry on and play the game exactly as you always did if that's what you prefer.

You asked me why I felt the way I did, I answered your question:
Originally by: Malcanis
Well you seem very pleased with yourself. What I dont understand is why? Dont you like the idea of being able to do new and different things?

and then kicked it up with hyperbole - the "night elves/tauren" statement. That is why the whole "Incarna" thing doesn't appeal to me, and seems like a waste of resources when so much else in Eve needs fixing/updating (core code is 7 yrs old, doesn't support multi-threading, "UI" improvements and fixing lag...)



Does it have to be explained again that the Ambulation engine is actually being developed for the World of Darkness MMO, and that it's use in EVE is a bonus? The only specifically EVE related cost is for the artwork and content. The artwork and content guys have nothing to do with fixing lag.

If you're going to say that CCP could sack the art&content guys and use the money to hire more programmers, then it's worth pointing out that Incarna is expected to bring a lot of new players in to the game (and quite a few old ones back). That right there will be the long term extra resources you and I both want to be devoted to improving EVE, rather than a short-term, short-sighted killing of a project which must be nearing beta.


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