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Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.08 21:27:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Kaigon Jane

game is secondary



How is this a bad thing?

Kaigon Jane
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.02.08 21:35:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Kaigon Jane

game is secondary



How is this a bad thing?

well paying money to play EvE and then spending all your time trolling COAD and the numerous other EvE related forums is bad. You need 100 good “poast” to join Goons and your ex CEO Khartoon was selected due to his forum activity. Guys, play the game. It is A game.

PS how is Phreeze doing in Goons these day.

Hallax
Minmatar
Without Borders Diversified
Posted - 2010.02.08 22:13:00 - [93]
 

When I joined EVE on my first character back in 2005, I remember BoB being big, bad, and brash. Back then, and still today, they seem like a bunch of Molle-brainwashed uberplayers. Eventually they became too big to fail and, just like Goldman Sachs, got dev-help (!!!) which to this day I don't think the Goons have ever had. That, to me, will always be a gigantic black mark on their alliance history. I can't believe people have forgotten that.

BoB/Ren/IT's treatment of regional pets has also been a source of constant derisiveness for me. The stories I have heard from both sides of the coin confirm this.

This is a game, and it should be up to the player on how 'serious' they want to be. If IT and crew want to uberpwn the galaxy - let them. Forum trolling aside, it was nice to see GS be a foil to them for a couple of years or so. I was definitely rooting for them when they invaded Delve before, and I will be rooting for anyone who wants to take IT on in the future. It does look like the back of GoonSwarm has broken, though.

Kaigon Jane
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.02.08 22:41:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Hallax
and, just like Goldman Sachs, got dev-help (!!!)

top BoB/It characters have special dev EvE clients,

they type the tithe key then type

player.additem apocalypse "2"

and this spawn 2 apoc fully fitted. These are special dev ships which has a higher . . . everything. It a beautiful thing.

They can also spawn isk with
player.additem isk "20000000"

true, you read it on COAD

Navtiqes
Amarr
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2010.02.08 22:55:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Navtiqes on 08/02/2010 22:55:44
Originally by: Kaigon Jane
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Kaigon Jane

game is secondary



How is this a bad thing?

well paying money to play EvE and then spending all your time trolling COAD and the numerous other EvE related forums is bad.
Yeah, that sub fee is really burning a hole in my pocket. Get a haircut, get a job.

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.08 23:45:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Kaigon Jane
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Kaigon Jane

game is secondary



How is this a bad thing?

well paying money to play EvE and then spending all your time trolling COAD and the numerous other EvE related forums is bad.



It's worth paying two packs of cigarettes a month so I can troll sperglords who play internet spaceships.

FatFreddy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.02.08 23:59:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kaigon Jane
Originally by: Hallax
and, just like Goldman Sachs, got dev-help (!!!)

top BoB/It characters have special dev EvE clients,

they type the tithe key then type

player.additem apocalypse "2"

and this spawn 2 apoc fully fitted. These are special dev ships which has a higher . . . everything. It a beautiful thing.



It also has a longer . . . everything.

scnr

lord khnrageX
Amarr
Oblivion Chaos Fleet
STEEL BROTHERHOOD
Posted - 2010.02.09 00:42:00 - [98]
 

The difference isnt subtle. IT actually acheived something. Goons had to use mass warfare and get so many allies to even fight well. Right after Goons killed BoB they started becoming all the things BoB supposidly was. They troll CAOD and crap and act all tough. Then they become so inactive to the point when their allies in the NC get attacked they dont do much. They react a little towards the end when PL and SOT are dieing and put up a little fight when delve was invaded. IT helped its allies. IT doesnt troll CAOD. IT defends it space and stays active. That can be proved in their early days when they where disbanded and how they swept up new territory as IT.




Van PokerAlho
Amarr
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.02.09 03:04:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: bobIT ambition
BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space.

Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space.

I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness.



NOT wise words, this are words of someone who opened is eyes for the first time just to find out that is blind.

Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.09 03:55:00 - [100]
 

The main difference is what we will see in the next year, when Bob had nothing they managed to return to 0.0 flawlessly and purge a **** load of ****ty and strong alliances on the way,..

Goons who are again OPENLY recruiting (like they initially did) will most likely in a years time grief someone but even when goons were at their strongest they couldnt handle Atlas, AAA, Tri, IT or Sys-k, now that they have lost every ally what will Goons do,..

Oh thats right saying generic crap on CAOD, well until Goons say something original of their own free will, I will go on C&P at least there, people are creative,..

Kayl Breinhar
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.09 04:31:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 09/02/2010 04:34:46
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
The main difference is what we will see in the next year, when Bob had nothing they managed to return to 0.0 flawlessly and purge a **** load of ****ty and strong alliances on the way,..

Goons who are again OPENLY recruiting (like they initially did) will most likely in a years time grief someone but even when goons were at their strongest they couldnt handle Atlas, AAA, Tri, IT or Sys-k, now that they have lost every ally what will Goons do,..

Oh thats right saying generic crap on CAOD, well until Goons say something original of their own free will, I will go on C&P at least there, people are creative,..

When we started edging into 0.0 in 2006, there was about one in fifty who could fly a capital. We're better off now than we were then, and we're actually having fun again. God knows the only thing I was doing prior to this other than ops was probing out plexes and killing officer/faction rats, which is something I can still do wherever I want so long as I exercise caution and patience. Our capital pilots are still in the game, and capital pilots in sufficient numbers are valuable.

I personally think 0.0 is going to stagnate and people are going to complain about how boring it is, but there's also the potential for massive infighting. I'm sure no one's forgotten Molle's old "ultimate goal to rule over all of 0.0" (or rule *over* those who are *in* 0.0) and now that we're out of the picture for a decent amount of time, it makes everyone a potential target after a recuperation period. The new race is going to be for supercapital numbers, and this is a race AAA and the north have a big head start in. R64 wealth aside, their CSAAs just recently started pumping out new ships - everyone else's have been running. I kind of find some hilarity in an EVE universe with 1000+ titans and even more motherships, and there's really nothing to stop it from happening now.

TL;DR: We've been screwed over before, we'll certainly get screwed over again (lol **** goons). We're also still playing, and no one can be invincible forever.

Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.09 04:56:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Mystic Turtle on 09/02/2010 05:00:10
Quote:
When we started edging into 0.0 in 2006, there was about one in fifty who could fly a capital.


Which is why you blued everyone even when you almost failed in Syndicate you allies saved your arse,..

Quote:
We're better off now than we were then, and we're actually having fun again.


Yes yes yes, 'fun', we all know in this game by default IF Goons are doing something it is FUN, but if an enemy of Goons is doing something by default it is 'serious', do you ******s even know how stupid you sound when you use those words,..

Mittani ABUSED the word 'fun' to manipulate you, when in fact EVERYONE who is playing ANY game or in a guild, corp, team, alliance is being serious AND is having fun,..
Quote:

God knows the only thing I was doing prior to this was probing out plexes and killing officer/faction rats, which is something I can still do wherever I want so long as I exercise caution and patience.


So whats your point?,.. What exactly will Goons do now that people havent already seen, creativity would get you guys far and open recruiting will just have history repeat itself, so much for Mittanis 'new serious direction',..
Quote:

Our capital pilots are still in the game, and capital pilots in sufficient numbers are valuable.


Thanks that really explains alot,.. <sigh>

Quote:
I personally think 0.0 is going to stagnate and people are going to complain about how boring it is, but there's also the potential for massive infighting.


Theres always inner strife EVERYWHERE, but in case you hadnt noticed all ex bob corps returned to form under a new banner they get along very nicely and are loyal, just get a spy in IT and you will see what I mean but I guess your overlords dont want you to know how IT are,..
Quote:

I'm sure no one's forgotten Molle's old "ultimate goal to rule over all of 0.0" (or rule *over* those who are *in* 0.0) and now that we're out of the picture for a decent amount of time, it makes everyone a potential target after a recuperation period. The new race is going to be for supercapital numbers, and this is a race AAA and the north have a big head start in.


Molle doesnt want all of 0.0, IT isnt into dictatorship and never has been, Molle just seems to excel at fleet warfare but so do many others, or have you forgotton what they gained in the past 2 months,..

But again no, IT dont want ALL of 0.0 can you imagine the upkeep,.. Laughing
Quote:

R64 wealth aside, their CSAAs just recently started pumping out new ships - everyone else's have been running. I kind of find some hilarity in an EVE universe with 1000+ titans and even more motherships, and there's really nothing to stop it from happening now.


I would like some consistancy in your future replies, 'R64 aside' :S you were just talking about Molle where did R64s come into this,.. :/

Also stop what from happening,.. :S:S

Quote:


TL;DR: We've been screwed over before, we'll certainly get screwed over again (lol **** goons). We're also still playing, and no one can be invincible forever.


/CAOD Prop Off

I think I speak for everyone in 0.0 when I say I hope you guys recover and be complete ****s IN GAME and not on forums and start a NEW raging war with any strategy you seem fit.

/CAOD Prop On

No one will ever allow you rejects back in their space, where you go your enemies will follow,..

The idea is to break down in smaller corps manage differently then join back as a big alliance but if Goons wish to have their alliance run by the same 3 ******s AGAIN then I am sure they will share the same fate,..

This isnt about loyality you can still be part of the same alliance only this time actually have a say or maybe you enjoy your leaders ****ing you up all the time,..

The reason Majority of the 0.0 alliances succeed is BECAUSE they have multiple leaders, Goons have Mittani, Darius INACTIVE and xttz I mean wtf,..

TL;DR

Trial accounts wont help you again,..

Kayl Breinhar
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.09 05:13:00 - [103]
 

We enjoy ****ting up CAOD because you do things like reply to forum posts line by line thinking it intimidates people.

Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.09 05:23:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
We enjoy ****ting up CAOD because you do things like reply to forum posts line by line thinking it intimidates people.


'We enjoy ****ting up CAOD', Kayl Brainhar - The voice of Goons,..

You do it because you are ordered, do you have any idea how many "**** up local / forums / c&p" threads have been made by your overlords,..

You guys actually thought spam would get you far,.. lol

Best thing is we WANT Goons to keep '****ting' up CAOD, this way new people to forums / game will know how cliché you guys are,..

I would say you guys are entertaining but I only compliment those that have achieved something in or out of game,..

Schani Kratnorr
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.02.09 06:05:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Goon
You're an imbecile and you're really bad at trying to make people sperg out.

This one goon post encapsulates the difference between EVE players and the goon infestation.

(goons need not reply. I use CAOD cleaner to rid myself of their spam.)

Kayl Breinhar
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.09 06:11:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: Goon
You're an imbecile and you're really bad at trying to make people sperg out.

This one goon post encapsulates the difference between EVE players and the goon infestation.

(goons need not reply. I use CAOD cleaner to rid myself of their spam.)

You use CAOD cleaner yet replied...you know what, never mind. Rolling Eyes

Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.09 06:21:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
I love how one person's posts are always conveniently served up as evidence of groupthink. I'd refute your post but I've yet to snort liquid cheese and put mustard in my eye like our Supreme Dictator Darius JOHNSON did. You know, since we all follow our overlords' examples.

You're an imbecile and you're really bad at trying to make people sperg out.



Darius may hold a title but has never contributed to Goons, all mittens did was say crap and well yeh take credit for everything, Suas led Goons but your leaders ignored his work, who really has done anything to benefit Goons?,..

Even when dbrb started to go inactive you needed to get emo plague black and phreeze to manage a 5k+ alliance, this in addition to your past mistakes are enough proof that Goons fail at doing anything themselves yet it is amazing how you are all so easily following people who havent contributed at all,..

Calling you guys terrible is an understatement, when Bob left 49- majority remained loyal Goons instead abandoned its ~brosefs~, Goons started losing members as soon as Fountain collapsed I guess those people knew who were going to get crushed next,..

You don’t enjoy ****ting CAOD, you just have no future therefore you can only **** up CAOD to feel relevant, we can hope for Goons to recover but with the current ***s running the show that day will never come,..

Schani Kratnorr
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.02.09 06:35:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Goon
You use CAOD cleaner yet replied...you know what, never mind. Rolling Eyes

Yes. I turn it off when engaging in my favorite pastime... Reporting goonposts while making ISK. I can easily turn it back on if they (you) start posting.

This thread is (was) about the difference between IT and Goons. Your rude post was a perfect example of that difference. I did report this entire thread as having "run its course," though I normally dont reply/post in threads/posts I report.

If you feel you have anything to add to the "IT - Goon comparison," by all means do so. Try not to take it personal when people like myself use your insulting posts as examples of why everyone should use CAOD cleaner.

SavageBastard
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.09 07:18:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Mystic Turtle

You don’t enjoy ****ting CAOD, you just have no future therefore you can only **** up CAOD to feel relevant, we can hope for Goons to recover but with the current ***s running the show that day will never come,..



It's true. Darius has never provided any leadership which is why, as a last resort, we have fallen to posting on CAOD. I know you all aren't used to seeing Goon posts here, as we are usually a quiet bunch that stick to our own private hookup site but with no future for us in the game...well here we are.

Kimi PewPew
Amarr
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2010.02.09 08:56:00 - [110]
 

It's all true. The infighting, the desperation, and the fear of the future. It is almost palpable. We are a shattered alliance with no direction. The only thing we have... All we have left are our posts. They define us. Shape us. It gives us... Purpose. We've lost EVE, we musn't lose the forums.

SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.02.09 11:05:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Mystic Turtle
random stuff
Quote:


Until you have the balls to not hide behind some silly alt, i would stop posting all together.

Alts has never had a say in what we do, or will do, or how we think.

People trying to be clever and hiding behind alts, is just.. weak. Thank your for staying the f away from anything that has to do with us, you are *not* speaking on our behalf, and you never will.

Be a man, and use your main, or put a sock in it.


Mystic Turtle
Minmatar
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2010.02.09 11:31:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Mystic Turtle on 09/02/2010 11:32:14
Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
random stuff


Until you have the balls to not hide behind some silly alt, i would stop posting all together.

Alts has never had a say in what we do, or will do, or how we think.

People trying to be clever and hiding behind alts, is just.. weak. Thank your for staying the f away from anything that has to do with us, you are *not* speaking on our behalf, and you never will.

Be a man, and use your main, or put a sock in it.




Yeah I know I took things way too far, I will stop posting, but in my defence I was somewhat branded an IT / Tri / Solar / Atlas alt not by my own choice, but I went too far with my own ambition I guess,..

I was planning to stop posting anyway and I sincerely apologise if any of my 'delibrate' comments / posts made me seem like I had any affiliation with IT / Tri / Atlas / AAA etc I have no affiliation what so ever with ANY corp / alliance / powerbloc I have commented on and my comments were solely for my own personal game,..

Saying that if I do post again it will not be on any alt and it will be bull**** free,..

Biffa Buttocks
Amarr
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.02.09 11:59:00 - [113]
 

Thanks, (was no Troll BladeRunner) appreciate some of the great replies and the time people took to post and try to help.

It does clarify a few things for me, regards the differences and the not so 'difference' and hopefully useful to other more recent members of the community who maybe were not so aware of some of the 'history'. Confused

Agreed, I think this thread has run it's course, thanks again. Smile

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.02.09 13:16:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Kaigon Jane
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Kaigon Jane

game is secondary



How is this a bad thing?

well paying money to play EvE and then spending all your time trolling COAD and the numerous other EvE related forums is bad.



You do realise the entire goon culture is based on paying money to post on forums right? Your post was a bigger victory for them than winning a mid sized fleet engagement.

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.02.09 13:23:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Hallax

BoB/Ren/IT's treatment of regional pets has also been a source of constant derisiveness for me. The stories I have heard from both sides of the coin confirm this.


I am both sides of the coin and a I can confirm i treat myself very, very badly.Twisted Evil

Also who r Ren and IT have regional pets? I should probably log in tbh.

Raynar Alcohol
Gallente
The Executives
Posted - 2010.02.09 13:50:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Raynar Alcohol on 09/02/2010 13:50:05
Originally by: Doddy
I should probably log in tbh.


Yes you should, you are even less online than me and thats nearly impossible ugh

bobIT ambition
Minmatar
Monkeytech
Posted - 2010.02.09 13:58:00 - [117]
 

Trigrams Edge owned by SirMolle. Pure win.

RifterDrifter
Minmatar
La Blue Girl
KUGUTSUMEN.
Posted - 2010.02.09 15:29:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: RifterDrifter on 09/02/2010 16:19:35
Originally by: SirMolle

Until you have the balls to not hide behind some silly alt, i would stop posting all together.

Alts has never had a say in what we do, or will do, or how we think.

People trying to be clever and hiding behind alts, is just.. weak. Thank your for staying the f away from anything that has to do with us, you are *not* speaking on our behalf, and you never will.

Be a man, and use your main, or put a sock in it.




Sure brah, totally unlike your bunch of morons who would never use forumalts for propaganda, right?
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1002/forumwarriors1.jpg

Or use trialaccounts to attack hostile posses, because you would never hide behind alts.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1002/trials1.jpg

Komi Toran
Caldari
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
On the Rocks
Posted - 2010.02.09 16:04:00 - [119]
 

My impression of the difference to between the fall of BoB and the fall of Goons is that it has nothing to do with love or hate for any of the alliances, but rather the state of Eve when these things took place.

Just before BoB fell, 0.0 was pretty darn stable. The conflict between BoB and Goons had the feel of an eternal war, and few expected 0.0 to be strategically different a month or six down the road. Thus, the collapse of BoB was huge, as it was a singular event that represented the end of an era in Eve.

Goons, however, disbanded at a time when 0.0 was/is burning. PL had fallen and Goons were already being pressed by IT, NC was fighting back an invasion from TRI while Geminate fell to Atlas, and CVA got it in their heads to move on -A-. And all of this was occurring under a brand-spanking new sov system that was designed to open 0.0 up for new alliances. In this context, Goons falling does not represent anything earth-shattering in Eve. It's the effect of the balance shifting, not the cause.

Statzicorrus Flux
Caldari
Whiskey Loners
The Ancients.
Posted - 2010.02.09 16:55:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Statzicorrus Flux on 09/02/2010 16:56:23
What the response to this topic essentially prooves is the simple fact that so much propoganda and rumour surrounds BoB and GoonSwarm that NOBODY really knows what happened. BoB rose, rumours about BoB become rife, BoB fall. Goons rise, rumours about Goons become rife, Goons fall. This has happenend before. It will happen many times over.

Accusing each other of being alts, forum trolling, bickering over which of two alliances who no-one liked in their time of strength are morally good, is their really
any point? In reality people will dislike whoever is in power regardless of their virtue as a group.


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