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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:13:00 - [391]
 

Originally by: QbusPuchatek
Sisters of EVE Epic arc does not working. I do it today with no ANY standing changes. This can be a bug I wrote a petition and waiting on answer.

But i think that after patch CCP remove factions standings increase from all of the Arc,, so as removing utorial agents.

sorry for my English


QbusPuchatek, no need to be sorry about your English.

I understand you completely and thanks for the update. This last expansion has more bugs in it than all the other ones that I remember.

Sad

CCP will add a Faction standing increase for the arc as well as any other Event Agent mission listed in this 'Plan' if it's not added automatically. Just have to do what you did, file a petition in-game.

I hope CCP get's this straighten out asap.

Thanks again and good luck.

DMC

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Tchal'la
Caldari
Tachyon Training
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:34:00 - [392]
 

DMC,

One other source of faction standing you left out of the plan: The lvl 1 Data Center courier missions give you a signed graduation certificate. If you do a Show Info on it, it will give you a contact in another system to take it to. If you do, they will give you a 6-mission arc with an embedded 3-mission mini-arc. Both the mini-arc and the regular arc give faction standing.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:58:00 - [393]
 

Originally by: Tchal'la
DMC,

One other source of faction standing you left out of the plan: The lvl 1 Data Center courier missions give you a signed graduation certificate. If you do a Show Info on it, it will give you a contact in another system to take it to. If you do, they will give you a 6-mission arc with an embedded 3-mission mini-arc. Both the mini-arc and the regular arc give faction standing.


Tchal'la, thanks.

I appreciate any and all efforts to find other sources of Faction standing increase.

However, if you check here, you'll see that information is already included in the 'Plan'.

Thanks again and please continue looking for any other ways to increase Faction standings or for URL guide links with more current information. As always, I'll be sure to update and edit this 'Plan' asap.

DMC

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Delucian
Posted - 2011.07.03 22:06:00 - [394]
 

Quote:
Delucian, thanks.

The Faction standing needs to be above -5.00 to travel safely in that specific Factions space.

If you haven't maxed out the Diplomacy skill yet, train another level. If it is maxed, hopefully Minmatar Faction is above -5.00 standing. If so, do a couple of missions for the Minmatar Event Agents until Gallente is above -5.00 Faction standing.

If Minmatar Faction standing is lower than Gallente, you'll have to grind regular level 1 missions (16 + storyline) for a Gallente Agent in a Corporation located in friendly space until the Faction is above -5.00 standing, then you can start working the 'Plan' to reach the desired amount of Faction standing wanted.

DMC





Ok, did a few things first. Working on maxing out my Diplomacy skill. I went out to Gallente space to try to do tutorial missions, but I guess my standing is too low to be able to do that, could not get any agents.

So, in what you noted above, my standing with Minnie's is only a -1.38. So will getting one of their agents in Caldari space (I can find one in The Citidel), improve my standing with each mission? I tried getting a Gallente agent, and did some griding of L1's to get a Story Line, but after 16 missions and 1 SL, my status improved by .06!

Anyhow, just confirming (before I waste more time) that getting a Minnie agent will move this along. Also, will ratting in Gallente space help me any?

Thanks

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.04 01:28:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: Delucian
Quote:
Delucian, thanks.

The Faction standing needs to be above -5.00 to travel safely in that specific Factions space.

If you haven't maxed out the Diplomacy skill yet, train another level. If it is maxed, hopefully Minmatar Faction is above -5.00 standing. If so, do a couple of missions for the Minmatar Event Agents until Gallente is above -5.00 Faction standing.

If Minmatar Faction standing is lower than Gallente, you'll have to grind regular level 1 missions (16 + storyline) for a Gallente Agent in a Corporation located in friendly space until the Faction is above -5.00 standing, then you can start working the 'Plan' to reach the desired amount of Faction standing wanted.

DMC





Ok, did a few things first. Working on maxing out my Diplomacy skill. I went out to Gallente space to try to do tutorial missions, but I guess my standing is too low to be able to do that, could not get any agents.

So, in what you noted above, my standing with Minnie's is only a -1.38. So will getting one of their agents in Caldari space (I can find one in The Citidel), improve my standing with each mission? I tried getting a Gallente agent, and did some griding of L1's to get a Story Line, but after 16 missions and 1 SL, my status improved by .06!

Anyhow, just confirming (before I waste more time) that getting a Minnie agent will move this along. Also, will ratting in Gallente space help me any?

Thanks


Delucian, I think we have a communication breakdown.

I probably misunderstood what it is exactly that you want to do. I believe you said you wanted to raise Gallente Faction standing above -5.00 to safely travel in Gallente space without being attacked by the NPC Navy.

All level 1 Agents are available to everyone regardless of standings.

The 'old' Tutorial Agents have been retired by the new Aura NPE. The level 1 Event Agents (Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos) should be available to you. The URL links posted in this 'Plan' list the locations of the Event Agents. All Event Agents listed in this 'Plan' give Faction standing increase for completing their mission series. Most of them can only be completed once in the life of the character. Each standing increase for a specific Faction will incur derived standings (Positive and Negative) towards the other Factions. The only exception to that are the Epic Arcs.

Ratting won't help raise Faction standings. Completing missions (16 + storyline) for regular Agents will take a long time since only the storyline mission will give Faction standing increase.

Going with the different options I had posted to you earlier, you should have been able to access the Gallente Event Agents safely. If no access to the Gallente level 1 Event Agents, file a petition in-game - character stuck.


Bottom line: Besides training the Social skills, you'll have to travel to the Event Agents and complete their mission series to quickly gain Faction standing increase.


I hope this clears things up for you.

DMC

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Delucian
Posted - 2011.07.04 04:27:00 - [396]
 

Edited by: Delucian on 04/07/2011 05:18:44
DMC - thanks so much. It was probably my missunderstanding. No worries.

Anyhow, my next level of Diplomacy finished tonight and I am down to a -4.51, so problem solved.

However, I will keep your plan bookmarked for future reference.

I really appreciate your dedication to answering our questions.

As a final question; Can I run most agent missions and avoid either event or storyline missions and keep my standing pretty neutral?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.04 05:28:00 - [397]
 

Originally by: Delucian
DMC - thanks so much. It was probably my missunderstanding. No worries.

Anyhow, my next level of Diplomacy finished tonight and I am down to a -4.51, so problem solved.

However, I will keep your plan bookmarked for future reference.

I really appreciate your dedication to answering our questions.


Delucian, you're welcome.

Congratz on now being above -5.00 Faction standing. You should be able to travel safely to complete missions for the Event Agents.

Diplomacy skill is just a temporary fix. Completing Anti-Empire Faction encounter missions will cause the standing to drop back down below -5.00.

To access high level agents above level 1, need to have the required amount of Corporation standing with Faction standing above -2.00.

Level 1 = always available
Level 2 = +1.00 standing
Level 3 = +3.00 standing
Level 4 = +5.00 standing
Level 5 = +7.00 standing

Right now my advice is complete the Level 1 SoE arc for Gallente. It will give you +8.75% Faction standing increase with no derived standings incurred and can be completed every 3 months. Then later you can do the other Event Agent missions listed in this 'Plan' whenever needed to stay above -5.00 Faction standing.

Anyway, good luck to you in whatever you decide.

DMC

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Isri Gythral
Posted - 2011.07.08 07:32:00 - [398]
 

Thanks for a great plan.
This has helped me and saved alot of time getting the standing for the level 4 Epic Arcs.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:12:00 - [399]
 

Isri Gythral, you're welcome.

Very Happy

It's good to hear the 'Plan' helped you and thanks for posting.

I hope you have continued good luck.


DMC

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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:29:00 - [400]
 

Originally by: Delucian

As a final question; Can I run most agent missions and avoid either event or storyline missions and keep my standing pretty neutral?


Well, if you decline all encounter missions against Empire Factions and decline all Storyline mission offers, yes the Faction standings will stay the same.

However, the Storyline missions usually have excellent rewards and would be a shame to decline all of those. The only Storyline missions I decline are encounter missions against Empire Factions.

I suggest you keep watch on your Faction standings and when needed, complete a few of the Event Agent missions listed in this 'Plan' to stay above -5.00 Faction standing for safe travel. Actually it would be better to keep Faction standing above -2.00 for access to high level agents since there's a limited amount of level 1 Event Agents available.

Another option is to 'bounce' between the Factions doing a set or two of 16 regular mission + storyline to help maintain Faction standings.

I hope this helps.

DMC

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Lizzi Borden
Gallente
Non Entity
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:08:00 - [401]
 

I normally don't throw props, I just troll, however, your guide is EXTREMELY helpful to me. Raised my standing with a faction my main was -9 with to -0.23, in less than a week, and had some fun doing it (SOE Epic Arc + Tutorial missions + Cosmos Agents). To spite buying overpriced tags to hand into agents, I actually made isk (not that I care, my main spends most of his time running 0.0 anomalies in twin carriers). Anyways, great guide and thanks again!!!

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.08 21:45:00 - [402]
 

Lizzi Borden, you're welcome and thank you very much for not bringing the ax down on me.

Wink

It's always good to hear how this 'Plan' has helped players. I hope you have continued good luck and much success with your career.

Thanks for posting and please feel free to refer the 'Plan' to other players who can benefit from it.


DMC

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Merii Kha'sen
Amarr
Unity Exploration
Posted - 2011.07.09 01:13:00 - [403]
 

Hey,

I just wanted to post and say thank you for this Plan - I'm working on getting my standing up just so I have locator agents in every place in the galaxy.

One question - is it possible to fix my standing with Sansha, etc. without tanking my Empire faction? I doubt it just looking at the standings charts, but I wanted to see if it was possible anyway.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:46:00 - [404]
 

Originally by: Merii Kha'sen
Hey,

I just wanted to post and say thank you for this Plan - I'm working on getting my standing up just so I have locator agents in every place in the galaxy.

One question - is it possible to fix my standing with Sansha, etc. without tanking my Empire faction? I doubt it just looking at the standings charts, but I wanted to see if it was possible anyway.


Merii Kha'sen, you're welcome. I hope the 'Plan' helps you to quickly gain access to those Agents.

About repairing Sansha standing without tanking Empire standing, that's a very good question.

Besides training Diplomacy, the only option at this time to repair Sansha Faction standing with very little derived negative standings towards Empire is to start the Amarr level 4 Epic Arc and complete it for Sansha. That will give about +12.00% Faction standing increase which can be completed every 3 months.


Hope that helps.


DMC

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lee boots
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Posted - 2011.07.09 23:25:00 - [405]
 

this has been most helpful to me in the past so thought a bump would be in order : )
I pass this thread on to any body i see or hear of needing help : )
Gratz to a great thread and to all those reposting to help this along : ) o7
Fly safe

Merii Kha'sen
Amarr
Unity Exploration
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:33:00 - [406]
 

Hi,

One more question about this. When you say do all the level 1 data center missions, do you mean EVERY SINGLE ONE on the page http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers?

Some of the tags are around 1 mil each for the level 1s, much less the level 2s through 4s. Any ideas on getting the tags without paying a ton?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:59:00 - [407]
 

Originally by: lee boots
this has been most helpful to me in the past so thought a bump would be in order : )
I pass this thread on to any body i see or hear of needing help : )
Gratz to a great thread and to all those reposting to help this along : ) o7
Fly safe


lee boots, thank you very much for posting this.

Very Happy

I appreciate and enjoy hearing that the 'Plan' is being referred to other players when needed. Please continue doing that as often as you like.

I wish you plenty of good luck and much success in your Eve career.


DMC

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Originally by: Merii Kha'sen
Hi,

One more question about this. When you say do all the level 1 data center missions, do you mean EVERY SINGLE ONE on the page http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers?

Some of the tags are around 1 mil each for the level 1s, much less the level 2s through 4s. Any ideas on getting the tags without paying a ton?


This 'Plan' should be worked in sections for each specific Faction. Basically starting with the highest negative Faction above -5.00 standing. The 'Plan' states to complete all of the level 1 Data Center 'Cert' missions first, then complete the rest of the level 1 Data Center Agents (for that Faction).

Each Faction has about 7 or 8 different level 1 Data Center Agents located in 3 different systems. 3 of those agents offer the 'Cert' mission and the others offer the 'Tag' mission.

The original 'Plan' is only the first 4 posts but there's a lot more information contained within this entire thread due to questions, answers and feedback. The question about acquiring Tags is covered here.

Anyway, good luck to you. Hope this answers your question.


DMC

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Kate Rygel
Posted - 2011.07.16 18:22:00 - [408]
 

The Amarr circle Agent quests do not give any Faction standings since the Incarna patch (one of the million bugs they introduced no doubt)

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.17 02:35:00 - [409]
 

Originally by: Kate Rygel
The Amarr circle Agent quests do not give any Faction standings since the Incarna patch (one of the million bugs they introduced no doubt)



Kate Rygel. I don't doubt it. Seems a lot of the Event Agents that give Faction standing increase are not adding it automatically.

Only one Circle Agent in the group will give a Faction Standing increase. Doesn't matter how many times the circle is completed, the Faction Standing increase is only granted the first time by one Agent. One of the missions should have had 'Important Storyline mission' listed in the journal.

The amount of Faction standing increase is small (between 0.25% to 0.50%) and you might not notice it when looking at your Faction standings. Open Character sheet - Standings - Right click on the Faction and select 'Show Transactions'.

If this is the first time you've completed the Circle Agents and it's not listed, file a petition in game and ask for the Faction standing increase to be credited to the character.

I hope this problem of Event Agents not giving Faction standing increase is fixed asap.

Good luck,

DMC

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Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.17 03:14:00 - [410]
 

Let me say that DMC is THE standings expert, and the Faction Standings Repair Plan is awesome. Thanks for all your efforts DMC. But I might also note that as long as you train diplo up and don't shoot faction ships there is no need to balance faction standings due to the max cutoffs with derived standings. You can be +10 with Amarr/Caldari and still safely go into Gal/Minnie space.

Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire
Property Management Solutions
Posted - 2011.07.17 07:52:00 - [411]
 

Edited by: Enkill Eridos on 18/07/2011 01:08:03
Edited by: Enkill Eridos on 18/07/2011 01:06:49
Edited by: Enkill Eridos on 18/07/2011 01:05:36
I would reccommend this to anyone new to mission running in EVE. This has helped me as a noob training learning skills..I know learning skills are no longer in the game but even a noob ship can start this plan, with the tutorials. This is how I learned how to run missions all over the universe, and not be kos'd by other the other empires. For example I can run level 4 missions for all of the factions in empire..

I would like to add..that when working through the plan scan the system for anomolies. Why? I have found faction tags drop more in anomolies than in missions.
I don't know if DMC posted this, but here's the anomoly list:
Class 1 = (Faction) Hideaway or Drone Cluster (easiest)
Class 2 = (Faction) Burrow or Drone Collection
Class 3 = (Faction) Refuge or Drone Gathering
Class 4 = (Faction) Den or Drone Assembly
Class 5 = (Faction) Yard or Drone Surveillance
Class 6 = (Faction) Rally Point or Drone Menagerie
Class 7 = (Faction) Port or Drone Herd
Class 8 = (Faction) Hub or Drone Squad
Class 9 = (Faction) Haven or Drone Patrol
Class 10 = (Faction) Sanctum or Drone Horde (hardest)

refuge is the highest ive seen in high sec so far. You can do them in low sec and 0.0. But if you dont normally live in low sec and null I would suggest making the running of anomolies a corp event, and going through this plan as a corp event as well. With anomolies in low sec you want everyone omni tank and pvp fitted. Because anomolies can be found from the scanner anyone can warp in. Also because fleet pvp happens more often in EVE now, unless your corp has a pos in low sec or null do not try class six and higher solo. Not because it will be harder, but because there is always a high chance another fleet will come in and kill you.

Shameless promotion:
If your corp or alliance has no pvp experience and wants to learn how to pvp or atleast make money in low and null as a group. Mail me in game and we can talk about hiring my corp's services in teaching you how to do this as a corp or alliance.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.18 04:24:00 - [412]
 

Smile

Thanks guys, it's always good to see positive constructive replies posted in this thread.



DMC

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Hockston Axe,
Thanks, I do admit to being very knowledgeable about standings but I wouldn't say I'm THE Standings Expert.

As for what you posted, yeah a brand new character wouldn't have to worry about it. But after a while the standings will still go down. Depending on which Faction is being built up, it could cause problems to safely enter into other Factions space. At -5.00 or lower Faction standing, Navy NPC's will attack. At -2.00 or lower Faction standing, no access to agents above level 1.


For Example: Thukker Tribe will cause:
Ammatar Mandate drop to -7.00
Amarr Empire drop to -5.00
Kahnid Kingdom drop to -3.00
Caldari State drop to -2.00
Gallente Federation drop to -1.00

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Enkill Eridos,
Thanks, hearing how this 'Plan' helped you as a brand new player is most excellent.

Good advice about the Cosmic_Anomaly. Yes, I agree that Pirate Faction Tags do drop more so in Cosmic Anomaly's than elsewhere. However, it's still a random drop and will take a long time to gain the required amount of tags needed for Data Center missions.

The above link, Cosmic Anomaly, has been recently updated with correct information.


Now about your Shameless Promotion:
It's always good to have access to a Protection Service when needed. You've been added to my Contact list with excellent standing.

Merii Kha'sen
Amarr
Unity Exploration
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:58:00 - [413]
 

Edited by: Merii Kha''sen on 01/08/2011 04:03:18
How do I figure out where the break even point for derived standings is? Is it 10-abs(standing) for negative factions? For example, does that mean the max base faction standing (excluding minimal derived standing sources, such as epic arcs), before skills, for all of the 4 main empire factions is +5? Each of them has -5 against their opposite and -2 vs their opposite's ally.

Bree Badasaz
Posted - 2011.08.01 04:38:00 - [414]
 

Evil or Very Mad

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.08.01 07:21:00 - [415]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 01/08/2011 07:23:14


Originally by: Merii Kha'sen
Edited by: Merii Kha''sen on 01/08/2011 04:03:18
How do I figure out where the break even point for derived standings is? Is it 10-abs(standing) for negative factions? For example, does that mean the max base faction standing (excluding minimal derived standing sources, such as epic arcs), before skills, for all of the 4 main empire factions is +5? Each of them has -5 against their opposite and -2 vs their opposite's ally.


Merii Kha'sen, thanks for posting.

The general consensus is that at +5.00 base standing the 2 opposing Factions will no longer advance in standing. The amount of standing gain for 1 Faction is equal to the amount of standing loss for the other. Bouncing between the 2 would just keep them equal.

I can't verify this and I'm no mathematician. CCP has done a lot of major changes to the game recently. This Standings_mechanics page has the formula's. Hopefully it's still correct and hasn't been changed by CCP.

This Standing_Relationships table is updated to match the current Inter-Faction standings.

Since the Epic Arcs can be repeated every 3 months for Faction standing increase with little to no derived standings incurred towards the other Factions, the base standings can get much higher than +5.00. It'll just take time.


DMC

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Originally by: Bree Badasaz
Evil or Very Mad



Bree Badasaz,

Why the mad face?

K Minor
Posted - 2011.08.01 07:47:00 - [416]
 

Very nice job, this is an excellent guide.

Just wanted to double check something though. You list Epic Arcs as being available with a faction standing of 5.0 or more. Are you sure this is true? It was always 6.8 and I not sure the new mechanics of agent access affected the Epic Arc agents. I recently got my corp standings with Ministry of Internal Order up to 5.1 or so and couldn't run the Epic Arc. I ran a few more lvl 4's and was able to access the starting agent for the Amarr Epic Arc once I hit 6.8 with Ministry of Internal Order. I don't remember my Amarr faction standings, but I think it was around 4.0 when I started the Arc.

I'm currently working on accessing the Gallente Epic Arc through standings with Impetus, so I can post an update if needed.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.08.01 10:04:00 - [417]
 

K Minor,

Thanks. The best way to check is to bring up the agent info box while in game. I already had access to all of the lv 4 epic arc starting agents before the agent expansion patch was done so it doesn't list the required standings for me.

However, I had someone else in game check the level 4 epic arc starting agent standing requirement and it states:

> Your personal standings must be +5.0 or higher towards this agent, it's faction, or it's corporation in order to use this this agent's services. <

I also had that player check the level 3 Empire Faction starting agent for the Pirate epic arc which stated players need +3.0 or higher standing needed.

I then checked the Pirate Faction starting agent info box which stated above -2.0 standing is needed.

I'm not sure why the lv 3 Empire agent and the lv 3 Pirate agent show different standing requirements. Maybe it's due to my having -6.0 modified standings towards the Pirate Factions since Faction standing needs to be above -2.0 to access higher level agents. Or maybe CCP has made the Pirates easier to access.

I do know that logging out and then logging back into the game is usually required after gaining the required amount of standing. That allows the server to update the characters current standings and gives the character access to the agent.

Anyway, please post an update on the standing requirement for the new level 4 epic arc agent.


DMC

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Killer Zenobia
Posted - 2011.08.02 02:18:00 - [418]
 

Edited by: Killer Zenobia on 02/08/2011 02:18:57
Very nice guide. Helped out a lot.

XDarkzz
Posted - 2011.08.02 05:21:00 - [419]
 

Edited by: XDarkzz on 02/08/2011 05:38:15
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson

Right now my advice is complete the Level 1 SoE arc for Gallente. It will give you +8.75% Faction standing increase with no derived standings incurred and can be completed every 3 months.
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I'm sorry for bringing this thread back but I'm kind of lost, how do you go about doing the SoE arc for Gallente and can it only be done for Gallente or can I do it for Minmatar also? Also I seem to be researching it up a bit but I can't seem to find out an answer... Does it give faction standing or is it just something you can do for fun and other rewards?

P.S. I'm sorry if I am making you repeat something if it previously already been answered...

K Minor
Posted - 2011.08.02 06:06:00 - [420]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
K Minor,

I do know that logging out and then logging back into the game is usually required after gaining the required amount of standing. That allows the server to update the characters current standings and gives the character access to the agent.

Anyway, please post an update on the standing requirement for the new level 4 epic arc agent.

Cool


Thanks for the quick reply. Looks like you're correct. I have standings of 5.6 or so with Impetus and just began the Gallente Epic Arc. I must've tried accessing the Amarr Epic Arc without first logging off and on last time. Thanks for the help and thanks for the guide.

Again, excellent work on this...I wish all guides were this thorough.


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