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NEKELMU
Posted - 2010.02.02 01:10:00 - [1]
 

So anyone else go to school here? I've read a lot of bad press about credits not transferring and the lack luster education. Let me tell you from experience its all BS. They wont pass you just to get your financial aid money or push you through. I've seen at least 50 people fail classes and 97% of the students in my classes have a B or below. Of course there's people you wouldn't find in Harvard. Berkley, or MIT but it's not a high class rich mommy and daddy school:)
I already have a AS from ITT in computer network systems and am currently working towards a BS in information systems security. I love the school and have learned so much it's not even funny I'm just sick people asking me how I like it and if you actually learn anything. If there's anyone esle who also attends ITT please share your thoughts.

*Yes I know the credits won't transfer and it cost a lot*

Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
Posted - 2010.02.02 02:45:00 - [2]
 

I attend as well. Although I am in the SAP program and continuing onwards to SET. No, teachers won't just pass you along and all the teachers I have had seem to want you to learn the material (not just do it). The one thing that I like is that they have an open door policy and the school itself seems to want your feedback about the school, the grounds, the teachers, the program itself, everything. If lots of students have issues with a teacher, you can voice your opinion and expect changes.

Yeah it can be pricey, but that's the price you pay for an education. I think it's worth it.

MuggyFuzzball
Posted - 2010.02.02 03:21:00 - [3]
 

That's what you get with for-profit schools. Devry, IADT, Collin's College, ITT, and even Full Sail are all perfect examples of this. If you plan on going to a for-profit school, expect more of the same from a universal standpoint. I do happen to go to one of the above mentioned schools and I can tell you, once you are far enough along in these schools programs, their is no backing out. You cannot transfer credit to another school.

It's not so much that they are rip offs, it's more that they just want your money. They know their reputations suck and they don't care. Just be aware that once an employeer sees that school on your resume, don't expect them to think highly of you. :)

Marie Hartinez
Gallente
Aries Munitions and Defense
Posted - 2010.02.02 04:13:00 - [4]
 

I myself attended ITT Tech several years ago and graduated with an AS in Electronic and Computer Engineering. In my experience going there, I had no problems and the staff did not give me any false hopes.

All the companies I've worked for since graduating have never thought anything less of me for attending. I think if an employer thinks less of you for attending, then they are just ignorant. It is not easy working a 40+ work week, going to school, having a family, and traveling several months out of the year for business.

While I don't have the connections of a four year school such as MIT, Harvard, or Yale, I've landed 2 of my past jobs and my current employer because of them. And being ex-military doesn't hurt either.

Is ITT Tech a bit expensive, probably. It cost me over 30k for the two year program. But on a per credit cost, they were much cheaper then the "real" colleges in my area. All schools want your money, some are just more obvious about it.

Not all schools accept college credits from just any college. My father, when he was in school many eon's ago, had the same problem when he tried to transfer from a community college to a four school. The community college was properly accredited, but the four school wanted him to do four years there instead of two years. It was all about the money.

In my case, there are only a very few colleges that will accepted my credits from the US Navy. Far fewer then would accept them from ITT. It's because I want through the Navy's Nuclear Program, and almost all the course work is classified.

Foodpimp
Gallente
Heaven's Harvesters
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
Posted - 2010.02.02 09:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Marie Hartinez
I myself attended ITT Tech several years ago and graduated with an AS in Electronic and Computer Engineering. In my experience going there, I had no problems and the staff did not give me any false hopes.

All the companies I've worked for since graduating have never thought anything less of me for attending. I think if an employer thinks less of you for attending, then they are just ignorant. It is not easy working a 40+ work week, going to school, having a family, and traveling several months out of the year for business.

While I don't have the connections of a four year school such as MIT, Harvard, or Yale, I've landed 2 of my past jobs and my current employer because of them. And being ex-military doesn't hurt either.

Is ITT Tech a bit expensive, probably. It cost me over 30k for the two year program. But on a per credit cost, they were much cheaper then the "real" colleges in my area. All schools want your money, some are just more obvious about it.

Not all schools accept college credits from just any college. My father, when he was in school many eon's ago, had the same problem when he tried to transfer from a community college to a four school. The community college was properly accredited, but the four school wanted him to do four years there instead of two years. It was all about the money.

In my case, there are only a very few colleges that will accepted my credits from the US Navy. Far fewer then would accept them from ITT. It's because I want through the Navy's Nuclear Program, and almost all the course work is classified.


Lets be honest here...They thought more highly of you cuz you were in the military in a high tech field.

to the main point. To a lot of employers, the fact you took 2 to 6 years to get a degree or certification counts more than the accolade itself. It shows to the employer that you are able to make a commitment and follow through with it. A lot of them couldn't care if it was a degree in CS or middle-eastern underwater basketweaving. Lets call a spade a spade....those schools are tech schools, and there will be employers that do look down upon them (especially if the job involves a lot of networking where prestige is a commodity). But in this day and age, there are a lot worse paths to go down then getting a cert or associates from one of these schools.

Marie Hartinez
Gallente
Aries Munitions and Defense
Posted - 2010.02.02 21:53:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Foodpimp


Lets be honest here...They thought more highly of you cuz you were in the military in a high tech field.

to the main point. To a lot of employers, the fact you took 2 to 6 years to get a degree or certification counts more than the accolade itself. It shows to the employer that you are able to make a commitment and follow through with it. A lot of them couldn't care if it was a degree in CS or middle-eastern underwater basketweaving. Lets call a spade a spade....those schools are tech schools, and there will be employers that do look down upon them (especially if the job involves a lot of networking where prestige is a commodity). But in this day and age, there are a lot worse paths to go down then getting a cert or associates from one of these schools.


True, my military background has greatly helped me in getting good jobs. But part of the point I was trying to make is that I wouldn't have my current job without the connections I have with ITT. I heard about the opening from ITT's job board as this company only posts openings with them or through the military.

Sure, if you're in a job that requires you know the right people, then definitely going to a proper four year school is the right way. But I think more employers are realizing that tech schools are pretty good for what they offer. I just never thought the prestige thing was anything more then BS.

I just feel that people sale these schools a bit short. They are a good alternative for people like me that don't have the time or money for the right school. Though now I have the money, just not the time with my work schedule.

If you're related to Daddy Warbucks, then a tech school is not where you're going. You're going to Harvard or Yale to get the degree to get that high paying job. But a tech school is a good place for the rest of us.


Lai Nat
Posted - 2010.02.02 23:02:00 - [7]
 

My experience with ITT Tech wasn't a very good one. I was just out of High School, and was looking into going in the computer field. So, of course, I looked into ITT Tech as an option. I requested an information packet from the school, and about two weeks later I got an email from them to set up an appointment to travel to the nearest ITT Tech to get information from an advisor. Normally I wouldn't have had a problem with this, but the nearest ITT was over 3 hours away. I had to take a day off work to travel up there, and they immediately proceeded to take me on a walk around the campus. Sweet. I asked some questions, they brought me back to the guidance office and showed me about 10-12 promo commercials, and started pushing papers in front of me.
"Fill this out. Sign this. This will see if you can get a student loan, sign this, this is to blah blah blah.."

Long story short, they mislead me about what they were having me sign, and what I was looking at, trying their best not to give me time to read what was going in front of me. When they were finished, the advisor lady says "OK, we'll see you in three weeks for orientation."

I know.. I know.. I should have read the forms, but as an 18 y/o just out of high school kid, I was tired from a 3 1/2 hour drive (the longest I had ever driven at that point), and overwhelmed with what they were pushing at me. I got angry. "WTF is this? I requested information about your f**king college, and you have me take a day off work to drive over 3 hours to bum****ville nowhere, so you can push papers in my face and coerce a kid to enroll?"

So instead of just allowing me to tear up the papers and leave it at that, they KEPT the forms and told me they had to process them. On top of that, they said if I didn't want to attend, that I had to go home, write an email saying so, and why. So, I drove over 4 hours home (Go home traffic on the interstate, hooray!) to write a 5 page letter about how fantastically awesome they were, and how much I appreciated the fact that I had to drive all that way to learn that "I would like to request some information about your school" meant "I would like you to assail me with information, bore me with videos, and try to coerce me to join your corporate scam of a school."

So... bad press? Maybe they deserve it. Wink

Marie Hartinez
Gallente
Aries Munitions and Defense
Posted - 2010.02.03 05:18:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lai Nat
My experience with ITT Tech wasn't a very good one. I was just out of High School, and was looking into going in the computer field. So, of course, I looked into ITT Tech as an option. I requested an information packet from the school, and about two weeks later I got an email from them to set up an appointment to travel to the nearest ITT Tech to get information from an advisor. Normally I wouldn't have had a problem with this, but the nearest ITT was over 3 hours away. I had to take a day off work to travel up there, and they immediately proceeded to take me on a walk around the campus. Sweet. I asked some questions, they brought me back to the guidance office and showed me about 10-12 promo commercials, and started pushing papers in front of me.
"Fill this out. Sign this. This will see if you can get a student loan, sign this, this is to blah blah blah.."

Long story short, they mislead me about what they were having me sign, and what I was looking at, trying their best not to give me time to read what was going in front of me. When they were finished, the advisor lady says "OK, we'll see you in three weeks for orientation."

I know.. I know.. I should have read the forms, but as an 18 y/o just out of high school kid, I was tired from a 3 1/2 hour drive (the longest I had ever driven at that point), and overwhelmed with what they were pushing at me. I got angry. "WTF is this? I requested information about your f**king college, and you have me take a day off work to drive over 3 hours to bum****ville nowhere, so you can push papers in my face and coerce a kid to enroll?"

So instead of just allowing me to tear up the papers and leave it at that, they KEPT the forms and told me they had to process them. On top of that, they said if I didn't want to attend, that I had to go home, write an email saying so, and why. So, I drove over 4 hours home (Go home traffic on the interstate, hooray!) to write a 5 page letter about how fantastically awesome they were, and how much I appreciated the fact that I had to drive all that way to learn that "I would like to request some information about your school" meant "I would like you to assail me with information, bore me with videos, and try to coerce me to join your corporate scam of a school."

So... bad press? Maybe they deserve it. Wink


Sounds like you may have done the right thing. Though I don't know how indicative your experience is with tech schools. Maybe I just got lucky with the one I attended. They pretty much want through everything with me and answered my questions to my satisfaction.

A few things I learned from the military, make sure you read everything and keep asking question. Sounds like you have learned that as will. Just wish more people would learn this.


Krinthe
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.02.03 07:15:00 - [9]
 

After High School, I called up ITT also. For me however, living in Houston, I had 2 schools to choose from, longest drive was maybe 45min.

I went there cause I was interested in game design...anything having to do with creating a game, I was all for it, and of course, they were too. Seemed that they had "all" the answers. Anything I wanted to learn, they could provide....Pffft!!

They took me on a tour of their school, which wasnt a school at all, it was a freakin office building that they had turned the 1st floor into a school. It looked like crap and I wasnt impressed at all.

The lady who took me on the tour was very intimidating and wore smelly perfume, you know, one of those types who must spend hours getting ready for work piling on the makeup and stuff.

At the end of the tour, she took me back to her office and wanted to show me some videos of the school too. I played along and agreed to watch them. I could NOT believe the BS I was watching and moreover, I couldnt believe they actually made it. It was like a longggggg commercial. Everyone that was in the video all had smiles and they made it out to be some sort of big family. To me, it was completely obvious the people in the videos were actors, BAD ONES.

I couldnt take it any longer, it was such horsepoo, I turned the video off, went back to her office and said I didnt want to watch anymore. I want to know, right now, what is it going to cost me for a 2 year degree.

She couldnt even answer that simple question without going thru a bunch of more horsepoo....ohhh, you can get grants, loans and not have to worry about paying a dime till after I graduate, yadda yadda. I couldnt get a straight answer from her at all until I sat down and "looked" over some papers she shoved in front of me along with a pen. I didnt even try to touch the pen at all, yet she kept saying, just sign there and we can see about getting you some grants so the tuition isnt as much.....

Again, I finally told her I was running out of time, whats the cost. I could tell she was getting upset that I wasnt some sort of robot (eh hmmm, military) and did what I was told....Yes, I actually have a brain and use it, thank you very much.

After about 2 hours of being there, FINALLY I get a price quote of $35k...

After picking my jaw up off the floor and subtly laughing, I stood up and said, no thanks, theres no way im paying 35k for this school. She tried and tried and tried to get me to sit back down and fill out the paperwork, showing me a piece of paper of past graduates who went on making over 100k a year. Again, I wasnt born yesterday lady (is what I was thinking), I can go home and type up some names on paper too, this proves nothing to me.

Still trying to be as polite as I could, I said I wasnt interested anymore and reached out my hand to shake hers and SHE WOULDNT SHAKE IT. I am not kidding. Its like, when she finally realized she wasnt going to get me to sign anything, I was wasting her time and she practically turned her nose up at me.

All of that showed to me that ITT was simply another business, nothing more. Once it was obvious I wasnt going to be their customer, all the "niceness" went out the window which proved to me, right then and there, that she obviously would get some sort of kickback (bonus) if she got me to sign the dotted line.

I sure am glad I never went into debt for that. That would have been a 35k mistake.

Since then, I have run into a few other people who actually did go there and they all say the same damn thing. IT WASNT WORTH IT!! And one guy who is friends with my buddy went there for the whole 2 years, graduated and guess what....He is currently working at Dominos trying to pay off his 35k mistake. He said he has applied at many many places and they all turn him down. He did say however that he did get a job right out of that school using their job placement counseler but that job paid him slightly better than minimum wage.

ITT = waste of time and money. Shocked

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2010.02.03 14:16:00 - [10]
 

I attended a normal university. It cost around 40,000 for 4 years. Of the hundreds of students that started their freshman year as part of the same program as me, only 7 passed. Nearly all of them were fairly intelligent, and most weren't slackers.

All of my credits transfer anywhere.

If you can tell me ITT Tech is comparable to this, then by all means.

Also of the 7 of us that passed at the end, the highest GPA was 3.5. The teachers are excellent, but the tests are comprehensive, not memory based. You could memorize the entire book for every class, but if you can't apply what you learned to a real life situation or something you'd face while working, then you would fail the test.

Marie Hartinez
Gallente
Aries Munitions and Defense
Posted - 2010.02.03 17:54:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
I attended a normal university. It cost around 40,000 for 4 years. Of the hundreds of students that started their freshman year as part of the same program as me, only 7 passed. Nearly all of them were fairly intelligent, and most weren't slackers.

All of my credits transfer anywhere.

If you can tell me ITT Tech is comparable to this, then by all means.

Also of the 7 of us that passed at the end, the highest GPA was 3.5. The teachers are excellent, but the tests are comprehensive, not memory based. You could memorize the entire book for every class, but if you can't apply what you learned to a real life situation or something you'd face while working, then you would fail the test.


First, can you tell what college you went to that only cost 40k for four years? All the schools I wanted to attend where I live start around 15k - 20k per year.

Yes, your four year degree does transfer, almost all do, but try that with an AS from most community colleges and the four year schools will not accept it unless they have a program with that school. At least where I live, this is one of the problems I faced.

I won't tell you that ITT Tech is comparable, but for me, it was a good alternative. Most of the teachers I had were comparable to my instructors in the Navy, which were in the top 10% of their ratings, my class size was around 20 students, and the school was willing to work around my work schedule. At the time I was traveling quite a bit for work.

Of course what I found about most tech schools is that your mileage may very. For everyone like myself who had a good experience with them, there is most liking someone who had a bad experience. But then this come be said for just about anything. I had some of my best experiences in the military, may people didn't. And I've been in two wars. One in the Navy, and the other in the Army.



 

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