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Kivvic
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:02:00 - [811]
 

This has probably already been mentioned, I just didn't see it, but a Loooooong while ago, Dropbear hinted that we look at the Oruze Construct from the top. I didn't really notice anything other than the fact it looks rather like that Apotheosis that is a Jovian Shuttle.
The quote on it is:

"For you, children, on your fifth birthday. May your next five years be as full of promise and hope, and may you one day walk with us as equals among the stars."



Idmei Sver, Society of Conscious Thought, on the fifth anniversary of the Capsuleer Era.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.01 10:50:00 - [812]
 

I a couple of days ago reread some of the earlier threadnoughts pages and came across that too.

It is either a rising, setting sun or this. And to add a little more ironic fuel to the fire of certain controversies in Incarna, Aureola.Cool

Some reading material I came across.
Childhood's_End
A quick scan of the page netted Golden Age, Group mind and Time DilationSmile.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:26:00 - [813]
 

Originally by: Kivvic
This has probably already been mentioned, I just didn't see it, but a Loooooong while ago, Dropbear hinted that we look at the Oruze Construct from the top.


There does appear to be some level of architectural symbolism going on, given that the various Sleeper installations - though superficially similar - do provide noticeable variations, particularly around how the central disk connects to the arcs.

Starting with the Oruze Construct:

Oruze Construct

The disk is connected by a single bar.

There are several combinations of disks and arcs. The closest to the Oruze Construct is the Solar Array, which lacks the connecting bar and ends its "spines" with thermo converters:

Solar Array

The fortifications have complete circles with many smaller bars connecting, and converters:

Fortification Stronghold

As do checkpoints:

Perimeter Checkpoint

The Enclave includes one arrangement that looks like a fortification blown apart, but without converters:

Enclave Cohort 27

Many other Sleeper structures do not use the central disk, or do not match the disk with surrounding arcs and instead connect it to different structures. Examples:

Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27

Sleeper Engineering

Sleeper Hangar

The Oruze Construct is demonstrably similar to the Solar Array, the Fortifications, the Checkpoints, and (part of) the Enclave; and, demonstrably different than the Engineering Station, Hangar, and (part of) the Enclave.

If "form follows function," this supports a contention that the Oruze structures are combat-oriented facilities closely related to stars.

Alessandra Karris
Karris Family Research and Salvage
Posted - 2011.07.02 02:13:00 - [814]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
There does appear to be some level of architectural symbolism going on, given that the various Sleeper installations - though superficially similar - do provide noticeable variations, particularly around how the central disk connects to the arcs.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

I don't think people have really looked at many of those structures This is a good explanation of what I mean. (Yes, I wrote that...)

Quote:
Starting with the Oruze Construct:

Oruze Construct

The disk is connected by a single bar.

Look at the top; then, think about how different modules added on would function differently. Then, look at the Oruze Osobnyk; what are the differences? Look at the modules attached, and think of them as modules on a ship.

Or, more accurately, subsystems.

Quote:
There are several combinations of disks and arcs. The closest to the Oruze Construct is the Solar Array, which lacks the connecting bar and ends its "spines" with thermo converters:

Solar Array

The fortifications have complete circles with many smaller bars connecting, and converters:

Fortification Stronghold

As do checkpoints:

Perimeter Checkpoint

The Enclave includes one arrangement that looks like a fortification blown apart, but without converters:

Enclave Cohort 27

Many other Sleeper structures do not use the central disk, or do not match the disk with surrounding arcs and instead connect it to different structures. Examples:

Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27

Sleeper Engineering

Sleeper Hangar

This is an exact kind of thing I'm talking about; looking at the form and function of the sites.

Quote:
The Oruze Construct is demonstrably similar to the Solar Array, the Fortifications, the Checkpoints, and (part of) the Enclave; and, demonstrably different than the Engineering Station, Hangar, and (part of) the Enclave.

If "form follows function," this supports a contention that the Oruze structures are combat-oriented facilities closely related to stars.

Kind of like the difference between a Covert Ops specialized Tengu and a Missile/Shield Tengu.

Different configurations of a core design. Interchangeable parts. Look at the descriptions of the "drones". Some are damaged (like some of the structures... hmm...) and some are not.

Then again, why are the Sleepers around Talocan structures? The most obvious explanation would be that they are salvaging the structures.

Furthermore, we can now demonstrably reconstruct a chain of events from a specific Sleeper site, the Mirror.

1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library
3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts
4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate
5.1 Talocan Technology
6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologies

The Blood-Stained Stars is probably the biggest gap-filler here.

**SPOILER BELOW**

The Amarr have access to a database of "Pre-Jovian" weapons. This can be an explanation as to how Jamyl knew about the Terran "weapons" (and how Marcus identified them) in The Empyrean Age. Would they know how to use them?

I'd guess that they wouldn't have the proper tools to understand it; why? Because of the nature of the materials available in New Eden as well as the Technology of the current races.

There's a reason Terran civilization failed after the wormhole collapsed. Cool Now, what if one race - say, the Sleepers and/or Talocan - got hold of a functional Terran database...

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.02 05:11:00 - [815]
 

Originally by: Alessandra Karris
Look at the top; then, think about how different modules added on would function differently. Then, look at the Oruze Osobnyk; what are the differences? Look at the modules attached, and think of them as modules on a ship. Or, more accurately, subsystems.


I focused once on the modules, particularly around the Oruze Construct:

Oruze Construct Nacelle (from below)

Oruze Construct Nacelle (from above)

Oruze Construct Nacelle (reflection)

My initial thinking was that these were engines to move the disk. They might also be access/storage silos. They appear consistent across almost all disks (as do "Drake/Tengu-like" prongs).

What differs is the connecting structures between disk and arcs, and the arcs themselves. Consistent with your sub-system analogy, therefore, the disk is a "hull," though I think it is the arcs that act more like "subsystems" than what immediately attaches (such as the nacelles).

Originally by: Alessandra Karris


Furthermore, we can now demonstrably reconstruct a chain of events from a specific Sleeper site, the Mirror.

1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library
3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts
4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate
5.1 Talocan Technology
6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologies

The Blood-Stained Stars is probably the biggest gap-filler here.


As fate would have it, I was myself about to post on that segment of the SOE arc. Combined with what the Mirror tells us, it seems reasonably clear that:

1. The Jove are not "Terrans" (or there would not be "pre Jovian" weapons for the Amarr to have libraries on).

2. The Sleepers are not "Terrans" (or they would not have "theories" about the EVE Gate).

3. The Talocan predate the Sleepers (the Mirror could have files on a contemporary enemy, but archaeology often dates by "layering" - and Sleepers are "on top of" Talocan sites; the Talocan may be "Terrans").

4. Amarr is Really Friggin Old (we know this from the official timeline, of course, but also the SOE arc's "pre Jovian" libraries).

5. Amarr lost much of what it knew (of course, but now there is a scenario):

Amarr was a large enough colony of Terrans to retain libraries of its founding technology.

Amarr had no knowledge of the Jove (or it wouldn't have attacked so foolishly).

The Jove came into existence after the Amarr, got to the EVE Gate and other prominent Terran sites first, pillaged them, and benefited enormously.

Amarr attacked the Jove without knowing of their discoveries.

Amarr was convincingly defeated.

Amarr analyzed technology used against it, and found it to be a derivative of what Amarr had in her ancient troves.

Amarr classified what was in those troves as "Pre Jovian."




Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.02 10:55:00 - [816]
 

Interesting stuff. Although I dont understand the need to draw such far reaching conclusions about Amarr and stuff.

Who would have thought a closer look at all things Sleeper would be helpful to better understand their mystery. Now that sound oddly familiar.Razz

/me dusts off the old Zephyr and sets sail for.....

So here I am trying to formulate my destination in an interesting way and my peculiar mind goes to Crimson.

One google search later and O M G.Very Happy

In the Court of the Crimson King Its an awesome album btw if you like that kind of music.Cool

Epitaph lyrics

The wall on which the prophets wrote
Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams,
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
When silence drowns the screams.

Between the iron gates of fate,
The seeds of time were sown,
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known;
Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back and laugh.
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying.

My apologies for this little tangent. Carry on the more useful research. Which I hope I will be more helpful in soon.Cool

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 11:03:00 - [817]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh

The Oruze Construct is demonstrably similar to the Solar Array, the Fortifications, the Checkpoints, and (part of) the Enclave; and, demonstrably different than the Engineering Station, Hangar, and (part of) the Enclave.

If "form follows function," this supports a contention that the Oruze structures are combat-oriented facilities closely related to stars.


Some good stuff, these structures suggest two things to me.

1) Many (most?) are incomplete, seemingly still under construction. This raises the question why?

2) They all show a significant degree of componentisation this is just like T3, but it's also a characteristic of maturing technology. This makes #1 more note worthy.






Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.02 13:32:00 - [818]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 02/07/2011 16:38:58
I dont think most structures are incomplete but I like the idea of deconstruction of the structures a lot. It fits very well. If we add the Talocan to the equation of which we know they lived their nomadic lives in the exact same manner. And we assume that they traveled by creating wormholes.

How about the Sleepers are living a nomadic life as we speak even though they don't need to. It could explain the site that says something very big just disappeared. Even though it is not really needed but it could also give an explanation for sites spawning.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:33:00 - [819]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
1. The Jove are not "Terrans" (or there would not be "pre Jovian" weapons for the Amarr to have libraries on).

2. The Sleepers are not "Terrans" (or they would not have "theories" about the EVE Gate).

3. The Talocan predate the Sleepers (the Mirror could have files on a contemporary enemy, but archaeology often dates by "layering" - and Sleepers are "on top of" Talocan sites; the Talocan may be "Terrans").

4. Amarr is Really Friggin Old (we know this from the official timeline, of course, but also the SOE arc's "pre Jovian" libraries).

5. Amarr lost much of what it knew (of course, but now there is a scenario):

Amarr was a large enough colony of Terrans to retain libraries of its founding technology.

Amarr had no knowledge of the Jove (or it wouldn't have attacked so foolishly).

The Jove came into existence after the Amarr, got to the EVE Gate and other prominent Terran sites first, pillaged them, and benefited enormously.

Amarr attacked the Jove without knowing of their discoveries.

Amarr was convincingly defeated.

Amarr analyzed technology used against it, and found it to be a derivative of what Amarr had in her ancient troves.

Amarr classified what was in those troves as "Pre Jovian."
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When it comes right down to it, we are ALL of Terran descent. Unless CCP is throwing us a huge curve. The timeline officially announces the arrival of four factions into New Eden.

The Conformists, who allegedly flocked through the gate spurred on by a Terran, Dano, the founder of the Amarr theocracy to come.

The Tau Cetans, the only democraticly derived society exxpressed in the timeline, they are the precursors of the Gallente Federation.

A corporate interest from the Terran hegemony, whatever that might have been. This corporation expressed the solidarity and societal fortitude of the Raata Empire, that would become the Caldari State.

And some kind of open migration by everyday, desperate people, with a dream to become something more in a new world, the jury rigging, mechanically inclined, we-can-get-by-Minmatar Tribes.

Yet, there is no mention of any governmental structure that tied it all together. None in the open, anyway. Yet the Yang Jung are said to have come through the Eve Gate, as well. With the hints about their society, they very well could be pre-Jovian and Jovian at the same time. All Pre-Jovian means to me is "before the Amarr encountered the Jove".

And the Jove have always been set aside as the "5th race", unplayable society that watches over everything. Allegory for the Devs of CCP. Always able to put the smack down on anyone, capsuleers included.

Takmahl is apparently an Amarr derived etymology that means "touched by evil", it doesn't tell us much more. The Amarr are the oldest spacefaring race amongst the Empires. We really don't know if other societies came through the gate, as well. Other than the Jove, they are a society we KNOW did.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:34:00 - [820]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 02/07/2011 19:06:37

Oh, and the structures resemble this, or possibly the center of our HUD.. Wink

Your assumptions about the Sleepers not knowing what the Eve Gate is, from what I gather, presumptious. Even the Jove may not be certain of that. What the Sleeper sites are is a repository of mankind's knowledge. Or someone's. It has been hidden away by someone. And it may have been usurped by someone else. The "activity at the line" could well be the mass retreat of someone who realizes their first line of defense has been breached. Maybe as well, the invader breached further?

Before the Jove retreated into their current enclave, that enclave must have been connected to the rest of New Eden, and maybe beyond, by a path. Wormhole space could very well be a path through the "neutral zone" they set up. Containing hints and snippets of knowledge we need to continue on the course they have set for us.

Kivvic
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:14:00 - [821]
 

One other thing I always noticed was odd is that how much of the sleeper technology can be derived into pod technology, or in many cases seem to be exactly like Pod technology. Now giving credit to CCP, I do think the idea of the pod is a rather unique one, and none of the empires were able to create it without help from the Jovians. So... the question then becomes if both the sleepers and the Jovians seem to have the same technology, where did the original idea come from?

Were they:

1) Discovered separately but about at the same time (probably the most boring answer)

2) One race obtained it from the other race? (For example Jovians got it from Sleeper / sleeper ruins)

3) Or maybe the pod technology was originally Terran in origin and the races that seemed to do pretty good after the collapse of the EVE gate were able to maintain knowledge of the technology.

If however the answer is 2, and the Jovians got it from the Sleepers, then perhaps the Jovians have a greater interest in getting us to go explore it.

Also, I am trying to find out, how did the First Jovian Empire Collapse?

Oh and one last thing, I saw the Trailer again, and tying this in with the Amarrian explorers found in that wormhole system, the first fleet to be shown going into Wormhole space was Amarrian.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:49:00 - [822]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 02/07/2011 19:53:18
What I REALLY want explained, (CCP feel free to chime in with cryptic or not so comments) is the massive single seat shuttles that are still in alot of mission sites. They are the size of stations and one of my Tempests could lightly rest in the lap of a child strapped into it. Has mankind SHRUNK since leaving the Terran sphere?

I have never gotten a reasonable explaination, beyond sarcastic innuendo.

Talocan and Sleeper tech appear to be totally interchangable. My best guess is, the Talocan are the builders of the Sleeper Enclaves.

Pod Technology was likely brought through the Eve Gate by someone..

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:23:00 - [823]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor

... the massive single seat shuttles that are still in alot of mission sites. They are the size of stations and one of my Tempests could lightly rest in the lap of a child strapped into it.


I keep hearing mention of this, but I must be missing them like we miss the wood for the trees.

Do you have a picture?

The descriptions I hear reminded me of this

Quote:
"There are beings in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. Once, long ago, they walked among the stars like giants...vast and timeless." Delenn



Could it be like the monoliths, simply honouring another sci-fi great?

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.04 20:26:00 - [824]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: Roga Dracor

... the massive single seat shuttles that are still in alot of mission sites. They are the size of stations and one of my Tempests could lightly rest in the lap of a child strapped into it.


I keep hearing mention of this, but I must be missing them like we miss the wood for the trees.

Do you have a picture?



At one point at least there used to be one in the scanning/archaeology tutorial mission line, I believe for code breaking.

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.07.05 05:44:00 - [825]
 

Has anyone tried an Eshelon's code breaker on anything sleeperish?

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:36:00 - [826]
 

Has anyone tried a remote armour repairer or a shield repairer or even a cap transfer to sleeper structure?

Mirima Thurander
Posted - 2011.07.05 15:32:00 - [827]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
The short answer is that the two are not as interchangeable as you might think.

The longer answer is that returning the focus to Sleepers after the first time (COSMOS) allowed us to continue developing a plotline that is as old as EVE itself. So let me put your fears to rest; we weren't unthinkingly reviving something newer as filler at the expense of using something else that's more established. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Think about that. It may not make sense at first. The complexity of the Sleeper's story runs so deeply that it may take some time to understand. Some time indeed, but you should think about it all the same, if you ever want to understand. The pieces of this puzzle are scattered across a wide area, and a stretch of time unlike any event in EVE has seen before. If you think anyone forgot about developing this storyline, if you think the "silence" right now is indicative of apathy or disregard at our end, then you're (quite understandably) assuming that all of this is being done on the traditional timescale - but that is not the case. All of this - all of it - is unfolding in real time, and it will take either a genius or a collective effort to make sense of the whole from the fragments that remain. We are watching and waiting for the day to come when the capsuleers will move this particular storyline forward. We are still waiting.

Let me tell you now that if you look closely at all things Sleeper, you will be rewarded for it. Nothing was put anywhere by mistake, and very, very, little of it is what you could describe as "filler". When it comes to the Sleepers, each stroke on the canvas was meant to be there and each part serves a purpose, whether little or...big. There are depths to this storyline that nobody has explored, complexities that have not yet been understood, mysteries that are still waiting to be unraveled, and this is a year and half after the discovery of Anoik...wormhole space.

There's more out there than people have realized, and more in store than you might expect.

If you think I'm being overly cryptic, then when you all understand this, you'll also understand why. Simply put, we don't want to destroy the mystery because it's not for us to spell it out to you all. That's the point of all of this - for you all to figure it out. Consider it an experiment in interactive storytelling, and one that has really only just begun.

But to add just a little more specificity to what will probably otherwise be seen as a cryptic response...I'll give you a specific (but relatively minor in the scheme of things) example of what sort of things you can all discover, if you only try - of how a simple bit of awareness and induction can carry you a long way in this storyline:

Throughout wormhole space you will encounter strange anomalies known as the Oruze Construct, and Oruze Osobnyk. Osobnyk already has its own input, but Oruze? What does that mean?

Well, Pottsey made an interesting discovery not so long ago, but the depth of what had been discovered still remains lost on you capsuleers. Take a good, long, look at this. It should shed some....light...on what Oruze might mean.

This same process of induction can be applied to many, many things out there. I suggest you all keep investigating, and most importantly, keep theorizing. You've a lot left to piece together.

All my love,
CCP Dropbear

P.S. I know I drifted away from a direct response there, but Ghost, you gave me an opportunity to say some things I've wanted to for a long time.


i dont see how that has not made it over to this thread yet but there you go

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314015

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:08:00 - [828]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
There's only three things you can really attempt:
-Analyze
-Hack
-Blow it up

Seeing as how one of those destroys it's utility (you don't want to blow it up; seriously), that leaves analyzing and hacking.


Has anyone actually tried this, though?


There are lots of effects you could try on a locked object.
Do any trigger a change?
salvager, codebreaker, analysing, remote armour rep, remote shield rep, remote cap rep, target paint, ECM burst purhaps.

Has anyone brought a series of alts in once the drones have been done with, to test every conceivable effect that could be applied?

This stuff has been there a while. Are we all missing something?

Asbalon Jade
Posted - 2011.07.07 07:12:00 - [829]
 

Originally by: Lenore Leelu

This stuff has been there a while. Are we all missing something?


Its more than possible. When me and Pottsey first found the information of the mirror, I was actually just making pretty screenshots with the Zephyr.

Arrakis (the w-system the pictures were made in) had a really nice red star, and it was the first time I had seen a Mirror signature, so I just wanted to check it out. Wanted some cool looking pictures with the sun in the background so set a corse and flew by.

Bam I had my screenie (the first picture), turned my hud back on and had the first popup on my screen.



Since then we have done all kinds of things.

Systematicly visited any site we could find, and fly by every structre in the hopes of finding another popup. I'd have to search the post, but after many many many sites a Dev did blue post and confirm that "the mirror is special". Still not sure if that meant only the mirror had popups or not.

Targeted multiple structures and did the craziest things. ECM, Hacking, Salvaging, blowing you your pod next to one in the hope of beeing uploaded into it. Yes a few of us actually did that, based on the Aniokis Chronicle, and hoping something would happen.

Hell I even treid to comunicate with one of the enclaves like in old Dos times (via local). /cd Reseach Enclave... /cd Datagenisis Procedures. /dir and so on and so on. I had hoped that just maybe the devs had made the mirror react to things brodcasted over local, but to no avail.


What I am basicly trying to say is:

a.) There still might be something out there left to discover, but chances are it will be discovered by somebody doing something completely diffrent that what they actually did. In this case we will need to be lucky that the person finding it will realize what he actually found and share it with the right people. If I had kept quiet and wouldn't have had Pottsey flying with me, I doubt I would have known where to put the information, or who it might have intrested. I certainly did not anticipate it to become this threadnoght or spark such an intrest in sleepers.

b.) It could be that we have found everything there is to be found, just have not found what is all in that what we have found. Sounds complicated, but it means just that.



In the end it is also quite possible that we have found everything there is, just we are expecting to much. For example maybe the riddle was only to find out that the Sleepers are drones from a long forgotten race who disapeared into a virtual reality, but we are forcibly trying to find out the entire history of the sleepers up to and including what thier favorite food was.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2011.07.07 07:40:00 - [830]
 

/role-play mode (but the photo bit is real in Eon)
I hope you don't mind Asbalon Jade I should have really asked you before. But when I published the 2nd part of my scientific paper based on our work and trips in wormhole space I included a picture from our trip inside the sleeper structures. For those interested the well known Eon mag has a photo from when Asbalon Jade and I broke into one of the Sleeper chambers. Although for some reason the publisher decided not to include Asbalon's sunset mirror photos.

Asbalon Jade
Posted - 2011.07.07 10:12:00 - [831]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Although for some reason the publisher decided not to include Asbalon's sunset mirror photos.



No problems at all my dear. We had allready talked about it and I remember giving you permission to any photos you wanted or needed. I'm looking forward to those papers, and hope they will spur more and more people to ship into this grand mistery.

If not for the only reason as to never having to stick my ships AI into the Zephyr ever again. She still hasn't forgiven me that one and uses it regularly to force me... *looks nervously to his AI that started listening*... I mean... to persuade me... to... uhm... help?

Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.07 11:42:00 - [832]
 

Edited by: Mervent on 07/07/2011 11:42:38
Eve News Item from today...

Quote:
Caldari scientist defects to the Republic.
2011.07.07 04:05:45

ERAM - The Scope is receiving reports that Zainou Biotech scientist Hilen Tukoss has fled his home station in Otosela and defected to the Minmatar Republic alongside almost two hundred and fifty other research staff.

Although these reports remain unconfirmed, locator agents place Tukoss in Eram, Metropolis, at the Eifyr & Co. Biotech production plant. Both Tukoss and Eifyr & Co. representatives have refused invitations from Scope reporters to comment on the rising speculation.

On condition of anonymity, a civilian trader who works in the area reported seeing a large fleet of capsuleers escorting a freighter through Uemon, followed by a "heated exchange" over local comms between members of the capsuleer fleet and a member of Ishukone Watch.

This information corroborates another anonymous report, this time from a Republic customs official, who claimed to have scanned a freighter arriving in the system of Eram with almost 250 Caldari civilians aboard.

Ishukone has issued a press release which summarily refuses to discuss matters of internal corporate security, a policy the company has maintained throughout the last several dozen years.

Little is known about the research agenda of Hilen Tukoss, Program Director of the

Otosela Neuropsychology Center.

The nature of his work, as with much of Zainou's top research projects, remains a tightly guarded secret.


Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.09 16:58:00 - [833]
 

Edited by: Mervent on 09/07/2011 17:12:38
Scope Interview with Hilen Tukoss

Quote:
....
"What I see, in my research, is a conspiracy of apathy towards true investigative science. When it comes to the study of wormhole space, the capsuleers are the only ones really achieving anything."

So this is about wormhole space and the Sleepers? The Deteis just nods this time. I leave him plenty of room to add to the answer, but he won't be drawn.
...
Our time is running low, so before things end I decide to let him know what's coming with that capsuleer outreach idea of his. They are going to want to know more, I explain; about his research, about his old life in the State, and about the Sleepers. Is he ready to open those floodgates?

"I doubt anyone could be," he says. "I suspect though, that I will lean more on them than the other way around. As for the questions they'll ask, it's a difficult situation at times, yes. What do you say when a known Sansha loyalist asks about your research? If you turn him away, how do you know he won't just send someone less obvious to get the information? Trust in the capsuleer world is a dangerous thing, but also essential."


Borascus
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:35:00 - [834]
 

Edited by: Borascus on 09/07/2011 22:38:38
[OOC]: Just spotted this new video on the NASA website showing what the Seylinn Explosion could have caused allowing the sleepers to pinpoint wormhole entry locations:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?collection_id=51351&media_id=100078831
A comet strikes the Sun but prior to its final moments a coronal mass ejection envelopes its approach path.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.10 14:29:00 - [835]
 

Originally by: Asbalon Jade
...blowing you your pod next to one in the hope of beeing uploaded into it. Yes a few of us actually did that, based on the Aniokis Chronicle, and hoping something would happen.


Very Happy That was totally me my alt.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.10 17:37:00 - [836]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 10/07/2011 17:44:09
Just ran out to an Oruze Osobnyk site. I've always wondered that th Caldari stations look like engineering instruments. To be more specific, their research stations look like micrometers or microscopes.

Looking at the Oruze Osobnyk, I see this? Am I totally out there on this one?

Also, looking at the Phantom cruiser, which is alluded to in the pop up for the Oruze Osobnyk, I see very little similarity.

Honestly, the Phantom looks more like a Nightmare, without all the sharp edges, i.e. the stacked module look. The Oruze Osobnyk also has engineering station that state they are filled with engineering subsystems. So to take the whole of the structure as a hull and subsystems is, in my mind, a falsehood.

Tykari
Gallente
Effective Deconstruction Initiative
Neon Equinox
Posted - 2011.07.10 19:59:00 - [837]
 

Not sure if I'd compare it to that, but then who knows. As for the Phantom similarity, they say the material/armor structure uses the same kind of elements as a Phantom uses for it's hull, suggesting the Jove possess the same ability to make stuff from fullerenes.

Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2011.07.12 04:05:00 - [838]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Before the Jove retreated into their current enclave, that enclave must have been connected to the rest of New Eden, and maybe beyond, by a path.


This is not a mystery - Jove Empire was connected to the rest of the empires by normal stargates until very recently.

Just a few years ago during the capsuleer era, the Jove destroyed the stargates so the empires could not threaten them or interfere with their affairs.

Zephyr Song
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.14 09:48:00 - [839]
 

I had forgotten this thread exists but i'm wondering did a leading theory arise on what is going on concerning the Sleepers. Also did any new discoveries come up?

Sibylla Aldanar
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:50:00 - [840]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
As fate would have it, I was myself about to post on that segment of the SOE arc. Combined with what the Mirror tells us, it seems reasonably clear that:

1. The Jove are not "Terrans" (or there would not be "pre Jovian" weapons for the Amarr to have libraries on).

2. The Sleepers are not "Terrans" (or they would not have "theories" about the EVE Gate).

3. The Talocan predate the Sleepers (the Mirror could have files on a contemporary enemy, but archaeology often dates by "layering" - and Sleepers are "on top of" Talocan sites; the Talocan may be "Terrans").

4. Amarr is Really Friggin Old (we know this from the official timeline, of course, but also the SOE arc's "pre Jovian" libraries).

5. Amarr lost much of what it knew (of course, but now there is a scenario):

Amarr was a large enough colony of Terrans to retain libraries of its founding technology.

Amarr had no knowledge of the Jove (or it wouldn't have attacked so foolishly).

The Jove came into existence after the Amarr, got to the EVE Gate and other prominent Terran sites first, pillaged them, and benefited enormously.

Amarr attacked the Jove without knowing of their discoveries.

Amarr was convincingly defeated.

Amarr analyzed technology used against it, and found it to be a derivative of what Amarr had in her ancient troves.

Amarr classified what was in those troves as "Pre Jovian."






This information tells us about the true extent of Amarrian power. The untapped Amarrian archives on pre-Jovian information/technology potentially upsets the balance of power between the four empires in favor of the Amarr Empire. By the way, do you have the text for the mission briefings or whatever message that reveals these several pieces of information?


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