open All Channels
seplocked EVE New Citizens Q&A
blankseplocked When to stop researching?
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Author Topic

Mark Mustang
Posted - 2010.02.01 02:39:00 - [1]
 

When should I stop researching for a BPO? I read on an Eve guide that a good point to stop is when ME:100:PE30 for ammo, ME10:PE5 for ships, and ME50:PE10 for modules. What if I make a frig and then make a bs, do the same rules apply?

Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.02.01 02:53:00 - [2]
 

Usually anything above 20me for ships is pointless as it takes forever but you aren't removing much waste anymore. This is especially true for large ship BPOs.

Comodore John
Gallente
Trixi IFI
Posted - 2010.02.01 03:10:00 - [3]
 

Try this

Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.02.01 05:41:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 01/02/2010 05:46:40
Considering that there are quite a few BPOs that are perfect at ME 0 (some small laser crystals, many small rigs), there is no general rule.

Stupid amounts of research done on BPOs for no real value are what is causing most of the empire research slots to be clogged up to the point that legitimate research can't be started for weeks. Stupid advice like ME100 for ammo is causing some of this.

Get a tool like EveHQ and take a look at what level is going to be appropriate. When you're spending thousands of ISK on hours of research to save one tritanium unit (about 3 ISK) per batch, it's way too late to think about how much research you should be doing.

If you haven't already noticed, this subject annoys the hell out of me. So sorry if this sounds blunt.

PS - thanks for bothering to ask the question though, rather than just taking the advice on offer in that 'guide'.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.02.01 06:34:00 - [5]
 

ME:10/PE:10 on most ships, ME:20/PE:20 on most ammo, that's already getting close to "why bother with more" territory (if not already passed it), and plenty of stuff works just fine with even less ME.
The ME/PE levels where it's not really worth bothering with more varies wildly from one blueprint to another, just like the research time for each individual level.
Rule of thumb, if you put more than 1 month's worth of research into PE, you've probably researched it too much already (with very few exceptions)... as for ME, going past "perfect ME" for all sub-components is completely pointless, and not really worth even getting halfway there in most cases ("perfect ME" for the most expensive / least needed component is usually more than enough).

jjit
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:51:00 - [6]
 

You can also do a break even analysis.

Compare the reduction in waste of the new versus the old ME level and see how long it would take to make it back. If 20,000 ISK of research will reduce waste from 9000 to 8900, then you would not break even till you have manufactured 200 of them. If it costs 40k to reduce it from 8900 to 8890, then you would need to make 4,000 before break even.




Perrigrene
Posted - 2010.02.01 16:34:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: jjit
You can also do a break even analysis.

Compare the reduction in waste of the new versus the old ME level and see how long it would take to make it back. If 20,000 ISK of research will reduce waste from 9000 to 8900, then you would not break even till you have manufactured 200 of them. If it costs 40k to reduce it from 8900 to 8890, then you would need to make 4,000 before break even.






Excellent advice, most of it here that recommends people do 'research' so they don't waste time/isk researching a BPO. There are dozens if not hundreds of guides, howtos etc that tell you about the game and how to do things 'right' but many don't ever bother looking for that information.

Plenty of people follow the 'rule of thumb/general rule' because actually looking up information isn't fun and waste time researching things far beyond efficient and even 'perfect', if they even have PE at 5. These are many of the same people who value their minerals at 0, the BPO at 0, cost R&D it to me X at 0, and think they are making isk selling items at 75% the lowest current sell order.


Doctor Dodo
Caldari
Dalek Tactical Industries
Posted - 2010.02.01 21:48:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Perrigrene
These are many of the same people who value their minerals at 0, the BPO at 0, cost R&D it to me X at 0, and think they are making isk selling items at 75% the lowest current sell order.




that is why if i see a item for sale cheaper than the cost of the minerals used to make it I buy to reprocess for my own manufacturing needs if i need those minerals. Often quicker than mining for them.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.02.01 22:07:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/02/2010 22:07:26

Weigh the time spent researching against the savings in materials and production time.

Perfect M.E.: Divide the largest quantity material by 5.5 and drop the fraction.
Perfect P.E.: Divide the production time in seconds by 5 and drop the fraction.

Researching past perfect is pointless, except for selling BPC to the unwashed masses that don't know better.

Ammo is worth doing lots of research on (perfect) since you make so much of it, and it doesn't take that long to research.

Everything else typically 20 is plenty. With capital ships 1 or 2 is fine.


Yarinor
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.02 11:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 01/02/2010 22:07:26Perfect P.E.: Divide the production time in seconds by 5 and drop the fraction.


Actually Perfect PE is pretty hard to obtain since the factions of seconds will carry over if you do multiple runs.


 

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only