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Tazerz
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.30 20:32:00 - [31]
 

It seems some of us are forgetting something:

PLEX's cost nothing for CCP to make. Nothing. It's purely intellectual property. Therefore, they cannot possibly be scamming us since we are not donating real cash.

So by donating, we're giving nothing of monetary value to CCP, and out of their own generosity are converting that into real cash donations.

And I agree with the above; a lot of people are in a better financial situation in EVE than in RL, and so are more able to donate via ISK means than through real dollars. CCP are then doing the rest.

A brilliant idea if you ask me.

Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
Posted - 2010.01.30 20:35:00 - [32]
 

Glad someone posted this on the general board as it was listed in the info space.

I donated last night and was glad I could since I can't afford a cash donation at this time. Great idea from CCP.

Akiao Isrenth
Posted - 2010.01.30 22:33:00 - [33]
 

Bump for Chribba, Great idea.

Noguchi Raijin
Motorbreath Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.30 23:00:00 - [34]
 

Great idea all around. Will be linking thread to corp, and donating what I can in ISK to Chribba.

Hyllekjeks
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2010.01.31 01:19:00 - [35]
 

I got 1 question: WHY ISN'T THIS THREAD STICKY?

Great initiative.




Once Haiti is saved we should donate to Iceland to cover their debt Rolling Eyes

Mr Greh
Jacob Boner Incorporated
Posted - 2010.01.31 03:44:00 - [36]
 

Back to the topzors

Kapse Locke
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.01.31 06:30:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tazerz
It seems some of us are forgetting something:

PLEX's cost nothing for CCP to make. Nothing. It's purely intellectual property. Therefore, they cannot possibly be scamming us since we are not donating real cash.

So by donating, we're giving nothing of monetary value to CCP, and out of their own generosity are converting that into real cash donations.

And I agree with the above; a lot of people are in a better financial situation in EVE than in RL, and so are more able to donate via ISK means than through real dollars. CCP are then doing the rest.

A brilliant idea if you ask me.


I think your post is stupid, even if I appreciate your sentiment.

You get 2 x PLEX per GTC exchanged. The GTC has a very real price attached to it. The PLEX is a token derived from a GTC (which like a GTC) which you can exchange for a normally paid-for service from CCP. Every PLEX donated back to CCP for Haiti has a monetary value, both in general and for CCP in particular.

When you're donating a PLEX to CCP you donate something with monetary value because at some point someone - a customer - has paid CCP for that PLEX. If the PLEX goes to CCP for Haiti then it isn't being applied to an account and that account then isn't drawing on CCP resources. This frees up revenue CCP has gathered from customers which they then (presumably) distribute to the Red Cross who will then (presumably) distribute it to the needy in Haiti.

I do agree that it provides a useful niche service to those who are in a better financial position in EVE than in RL to donate during the crisis, but that is all it is - a niche service.


Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.31 08:14:00 - [38]
 

bump/obsservation


The blog did not mention any CCP input to the donated amount.

Victor Voitowich
Posted - 2010.01.31 09:47:00 - [39]
 

Great Idea - Nice one!

...and for those concerned of CCP scamming you...I'd like to respond to your comments in style...."HARDEN THE F*** UP" Wink


Mugster
Posted - 2010.01.31 14:45:00 - [40]
 

bump for chribba

Claudia Voltaire
Posted - 2010.01.31 15:40:00 - [41]
 

An exercise in social engineering on ccp's part.

Giving for me has allways been about making sacrifice, ccp could have just donated the money they have allready taken on the timecodes for the haitian appeal.

It'd be different if people were putting their hands in their pockets to buy a extra code.

Im sorry but this is just a self serving exercise all round. While i will appauld ccp for giving the money to the appeal, the manner in which they are doing this i find distasteful.

People are patting themselfs on the back for doing absolutley nothing.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.31 15:49:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Claudia Voltaire
An exercise in social engineering on ccp's part.

Giving for me has allways been about making sacrifice, ccp could have just donated the money they have allready taken on the timecodes for the haitian appeal.

It'd be different if people were putting their hands in their pockets to buy a extra code.

Im sorry but this is just a self serving exercise all round. While i will appauld ccp for giving the money to the appeal, the manner in which they are doing this i find distasteful.

People are patting themselfs on the back for doing absolutley nothing.


You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Some may also look at this exercise and see it as a group of people around the world who share a passion and co-exist in the same virtual world. These people have the opportunity to make a difference to others who have lost everything.

The response from players already has been outstanding and the service offered by Chribba allows those who cannot afford a full PLEX to donate what they can and the accumulated effort will result in even more PLEX and more money for the people of Haiti.

I suppose, like everything, how each of us view an event is a matter of perspective Smile

killerbitsch
Posted - 2010.01.31 21:44:00 - [43]
 

friendly bump for a nice proposal

Barbicane
TGUN Industries
Posted - 2010.01.31 22:19:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Claudia Voltaire
An exercise in social engineering on ccp's part.

Giving for me has allways been about making sacrifice, ccp could have just donated the money they have allready taken on the timecodes for the haitian appeal.

It'd be different if people were putting their hands in their pockets to buy a extra code.

Im sorry but this is just a self serving exercise all round. While i will appauld ccp for giving the money to the appeal, the manner in which they are doing this i find distasteful.

People are patting themselfs on the back for doing absolutley nothing.
You know, five years ago when the world was shocked by the tsunami, CCP made a more traditional kind of collection drive where they collected RL currency from the player base and matched it with their own donations.

I find what they are doing now very similar, except the plex approach opens up for more people to participate. If you think donating isk is worth nothing, I suggest you contract all your belongings to Chribba. The isk he earns from selling your "worthless" belongings may pay for food and shelter for a few Haitians for a couple of days, depending on how rich you are of course.

Claudia Voltaire
Posted - 2010.01.31 23:02:00 - [45]
 

While my opening statement might have been a little bit harsh, i stand by what i said.

It's my opinion.

I realy don't see how people are doing anything themselfs by donating ingame items that have no value outside of it.

I understand what ccp navigator is saying though (more people buying codes for $'s), so if it is making a difference, then good on them.

Myself, iv'e made numerious sponsorship pledges, and shoved a fair few quid in boxes for the poor unfortunate people in haiti.

Ohh and i bought a couple of loafs or bread today to feed the birds and ducks at the lake today on my walk back from the supermarket. Made me feel good about myselfVery Happy

Alanea Winddancer
Posted - 2010.02.01 00:11:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Alanea Winddancer on 01/02/2010 00:11:13
Originally by: Claudia Voltaire
While my opening statement might have been a little bit harsh, i stand by what i said.

It's my opinion.

I realy don't see how people are doing anything themselfs by donating ingame items that have no value outside of it.

I understand what ccp navigator is saying though (more people buying codes for $'s), so if it is making a difference, then good on them.

Myself, iv'e made numerious sponsorship pledges, and shoved a fair few quid in boxes for the poor unfortunate people in haiti.

Ohh and i bought a couple of loafs or bread today to feed the birds and ducks at the lake today on my walk back from the supermarket. Made me feel good about myselfVery Happy


Personally this whole sudden charade for collecting money all over the world whenever a natural disaster kinda sickens me simply because it shows what a bunch of hypocrites people around the world truly are. 24/7, 365 days a year there is so much **** going on all over the world where people suffer immensely. Then a natural disaster strikes and suddenly cries and pleas for help appear and the media all over simply explode. It is kinda amusing really: the pleas that play on people's conciousness is sickening enough in itself, but then there is the ones that actually do decide to pay - all in order to satisfy that little feeling of guilt. Donate a buck or so and all the troubles disappear. One month later, the very event is a mere memory if even that and most of the people that suffered from said event most likely still suffer.

It's the exact same thing with that Earth Hour crap where once a year people around the world are fooled into joining in and turn off all electrical appliances and lights and whatnot else for one hour. "Show that you care about the environment" and all that BS.

Do it right or don't do anything at all, but at least be honest about where you stand instead of being a hypocrite. There is no middle road. That's my take on all of this.

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.02.01 01:24:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Seth Ruin on 01/02/2010 01:24:55
Originally by: Alanea Winddancer
Do it right or don't do anything at all, but at least be honest about where you stand instead of being a hypocrite. There is no middle road. That's my take on all of this.


Two points.

1: A hypocrite is one who acts out without truly believing in what he or she claims. Amount of effort is irrelevant to one's intentions, which leads us to point two:

2: You seem to be a fan of "all or nothing," In which case, the majority of the world would choose to do nothing, since dedicating oneself 100% to any cause is a daunting task. You're honestly going to tell me that it would be better if no one donated during these natural disasters?

Rolling Eyes

Also, since you are a qualified saint, I'm glad to hear you donate 100% of your disposable income to the less fortunate.

IamBeastx
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.02.01 01:50:00 - [48]
 

Living in a wormhole means getting out to buy a plex can be annoyingly awkward sometimes.
Logging in to send isk to chribba.
Thanks Chribba

Randomina Randomona
Posted - 2010.02.01 03:07:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Randomina Randomona on 01/02/2010 03:07:31
Originally by: Claudia Voltaire


I realy don't see how people are doing anything themselfs by donating ingame items that have no value outside of it.

You sound quite dim then. Let me explain. Someone buys a GTC and exchanges this into 2x plex (GTC costs $30, so each plex = $15). Now i mine enough each month to buy 2x plex per month which i use to run my account. This month 1 of those plex i donate to Haiti (as i dont have RL cash spare, hence why i mine and buy plex to play this game). Now whilst i dont have $15 RL cash to give to Haiti, buy playing a game and doing what i wanted anyway i am able to give 1x plex which equates to $15 (as someone else paid for this via GTC) and as such i have donated via CCP this amount. So in essence through CCP i have just done what you are so proud of ... i have shoved a few quid over to the poor Haitians.

Originally by: Claudia Voltaire


Myself, iv'e made numerious sponsorship pledges, and shoved a fair few quid in boxes for the poor unfortunate people in haiti.


Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.02.01 03:58:00 - [50]
 

How many Haitians actually play eve anyway?

I wonder if I'm the only one...

Huan CK
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.02.01 08:08:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Claudia Voltaire

Ohh and i bought a couple of loafs or bread today to feed the birds and ducks at the lake today on my walk back from the supermarket. Made me feel good about myselfVery Happy


News shall be spread to you: Feeding birds and ducks with loafs or bread indeed harms those beings! If you want to help the ducks and birds, reduce the amount of energy you use, plant a tree and reduce your fresh water needs.

Also, the way the plex-donation for haiti isn't really a player donation, it IS a CCP donation.
You activate an ingame trigger (donate plex) and CCP spends ~14$ to haiti. How cool is that?!

Go spend iskies, go donate plexes, go chribba, GO CCP!

Sandra Smith
Posted - 2010.02.01 09:12:00 - [52]
 

Nice idea.

As my ISK now appears to have the ability to buy real life aid am I obliged to declare it to the tax man?

Alanea Winddancer
Posted - 2010.02.01 10:57:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Alanea Winddancer on 01/02/2010 10:58:31
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Edited by: Seth Ruin on 01/02/2010 01:24:55
Originally by: Alanea Winddancer
Do it right or don't do anything at all, but at least be honest about where you stand instead of being a hypocrite. There is no middle road. That's my take on all of this.


Two points.

1: A hypocrite is one who acts out without truly believing in what he or she claims. Amount of effort is irrelevant to one's intentions, which leads us to point two:

2: You seem to be a fan of "all or nothing," In which case, the majority of the world would choose to do nothing, since dedicating oneself 100% to any cause is a daunting task. You're honestly going to tell me that it would be better if no one donated during these natural disasters?

Rolling Eyes

Also, since you are a qualified saint, I'm glad to hear you donate 100% of your disposable income to the less fortunate.



I anticipated that someone would play the "Saint" card on me. It's almost too predictable in fact Rolling Eyes

But no, I am no saint. I belong in the other category. I live my life, deal with my own problems and don't really care about the problems that goes around the world. I don't have the mental strength to care for every single individual person that is alive or for every problem that the world has. That job is left for a true saint. But at least I know where I belong. Most people don't and are instead content in patting their own backs every now and then in an attempt to show that they care. That is what is so pathetic.


Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:13:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Sandra Smith
Nice idea.

As my ISK now appears to have the ability to buy real life aid am I obliged to declare it to the tax man?


lol I would not mention it to the taxman. Governments are already rubbing their fat grubby fingers together at the prospect of taxing MMO currency... best not to give them any ideas!

xSHOCKWAVEx
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:32:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: xSHOCKWAVEx on 01/02/2010 12:46:40
this is the strangest topic ive ever heard

Clb
The Intersect
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:33:00 - [56]
 

Chribba, I'm curious as to what you've been sent so far. Or are you going wait until the very end to give the details?

necronarcosis
Eggz Enterprises
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:48:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Claudia Voltaire
While my opening statement might have been a little bit harsh, i stand by what i said.

It's my opinion.

I realy don't see how people are doing anything themselfs by donating ingame items that have no value outside of it.

I understand what ccp navigator is saying though (more people buying codes for $'s), so if it is making a difference, then good on them.

Myself, iv'e made numerious sponsorship pledges, and shoved a fair few quid in boxes for the poor unfortunate people in haiti.

Ohh and i bought a couple of loafs or bread today to feed the birds and ducks at the lake today on my walk back from the supermarket. Made me feel good about myselfVery Happy


you shouldnt bread is bad for all types of birds. but i applaud you for trying to do good when you utterly fail.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:54:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Clb
Chribba, I'm curious as to what you've been sent so far. Or are you going wait until the very end to give the details?
So far I have received 5 PLEX'es and around 600M in donations.

Agent 42
Gallente
RADIO RAMPAGE
Posted - 2010.02.01 14:19:00 - [59]
 

Quote:
Personally this whole sudden charade for collecting money all over the world whenever a natural disaster kinda sickens me simply because it shows what a bunch of hypocrites people around the world truly are. 24/7, 365 days a year there is so much **** going on all over the world where people suffer immensely. Then a natural disaster strikes and suddenly cries and pleas for help appear and the media all over simply explode. It is kinda amusing really: the pleas that play on people's conciousness is sickening enough in itself, but then there is the ones that actually do decide to pay - all in order to satisfy that little feeling of guilt. Donate a buck or so and all the troubles disappear. One month later, the very event is a mere memory if even that and most of the people that suffered from said event most likely still suffer.

It's the exact same thing with that Earth Hour crap where once a year people around the world are fooled into joining in and turn off all electrical appliances and lights and whatnot else for one hour. "Show that you care about the environment" and all that BS.

Do it right or don't do anything at all, but at least be honest about where you stand instead of being a hypocrite. There is no middle road. That's my take on all of this.



Only the Sith speak in absolutes.

Jerreye
Posted - 2010.02.01 15:23:00 - [60]
 

I must have missed the PLEX for *tragedies that aren't hyped in the news* threads.

************.


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