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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.01.29 21:07:00 - [1]
 

New Eden can be a harsh place, but the real world can be a lot harsher. Recently, Haiti was hit with a devastating earthquake, leaving hundreds of thousands of people homeless, and a tremendous number of casualties. Many of you, including CCP, are troubled by the situation in Haiti, and would like to help out. And now you can. Read CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog to find out how you can use your PLEX to donate to the Red Cross.

Back in the day all that was required to reach the whole community was a dev blog. Now more is needed to reach the ears of the 330,000 players. Please help pass the word to your fellow EVE Players.

Update: We now have an FAQ for your perusal.

Update #2: GM Grimmi has published a new blog with an update on the PLEX Aid for Haiti program. You may read it here

Jonathan Mcarthur
Caldari
Stargazer Exploration Company
Sundiver Technology Diversified
Posted - 2010.01.29 22:15:00 - [2]
 

First

And this is probably a scam, where's the lag fix

riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.01.29 22:27:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: riverini on 29/01/2010 22:33:31
Edited by: riverini on 29/01/2010 22:32:14
Originally by: Jonathan Mcarthur
First

And this is probably a scam, where's the lag fix


To Jonathan, If after 3 years we haven't gotten walk in stations when promised how can we be offered this? Rolling Eyes

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To CCP:
Noble action, but what i feel haz been failed to explain in that blog is how does my isk get converted into $$$ if i donate one plex??? or if the 100% of the RL value would go to those poor souls in haiti...

or should i assume that every plex available in eve is the result of a player buying GTC to ccp.

I fail to grasp the PLEX stuff as a "finite commodity" sorry but that's just me. YARRRR!!

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.01.29 22:48:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: riverini

To CCP:
Noble action, but what i feel haz been failed to explain in that blog is how does my isk get converted into $$$ if i donate one plex??? or if the 100% of the RL value would go to those poor souls in haiti...

or should i assume that every plex available in eve is the result of a player buying GTC to ccp.

I fail to grasp the PLEX stuff as a "finite commodity" sorry but that's just me. YARRRR!!


Heya :)

You can donate between 1 and 5 PLEX as much PLEX as you'd like. 100% of the real monetary value of the PLEX will be donated to Red Cross. PLEX can also be purchased directly via this page in Account Management.

Toksyuryel
Gallente
Domestic Tentacle Supply
Posted - 2010.01.29 22:59:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: riverini
or should i assume that every plex available in eve is the result of a player buying GTC to ccp.
This is exactly the case. PLEX are not seeded, they don't drop, they can't be manufactured or otherwise created except by redeeming an ETC/GTC or directly purchasing PLEX from CCP. Each and every PLEX on the market is money already paid to CCP.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.01.29 22:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: riverini
or should i assume that every plex available in eve is the result of a player buying GTC to ccp.
Every PLEX is either created from an ETC or purchased directly.

Mariokoli Mianana
Gallente
xpdm Research
Posted - 2010.01.29 23:06:00 - [7]
 

/.ed, Vote it up to get more eyes on to this undertaking.

Submission link: http://slashdot.org/submission/1161822/EVE-Online-channels-in-game-donations-to-Haiti

It's great to see CCP and EVE Online getting behind these efforts.

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.01.29 23:20:00 - [8]
 

Will that money be paid in dollars or euros? If I buy a PLEX in euros, donated and converted to dollar value you are profitting from it. What is the exact "real monetary value" of the PLEX that will be donated to red cross? Wich currency will be used?

riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.01.29 23:22:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: riverini on 29/01/2010 23:30:53
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: riverini
or should i assume that every plex available in eve is the result of a player buying GTC to ccp.
Every PLEX is either created from an ETC or purchased directly.


excelent feed back, so if i buy one with eve CASH is am still helping the cause right!? Very Happy

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.01.29 23:42:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 29/01/2010 23:44:23
I remember proposing this a while back on the Assembly Hall. Good to see it becoming reality. Also, good to see the ability to donate in a currency where I'm fairly wealthy instead of being rather broke. Great idea guys, I fully endorse it.

That said, an idea - give the character a bio entry so people know what it's about more easily? Even a link to the dev blog would probably shed some light.

Originally by: riverini
excelent feed back, so if i buy one with eve CASH is am still helping the cause right!? Very Happy


There's a reason they're willing to accept it for account fees, yes. No matter how you get your hands on PLEX(barring exploits, of course), CCP got money for them. This way, instead of the money value being kept and used to pay for devs and servers, it's being donated and used to pay for relief efforts.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.30 00:07:00 - [11]
 

Since each PLEX has already been paid for by a player, how about CCP chip in $1 per PLEX donated in this way?

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.01.30 00:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Will that money be paid in dollars or euros? If I buy a PLEX in euros, donated and converted to dollar value you are profitting from it. What is the exact "real monetary value" of the PLEX that will be donated to red cross? Wich currency will be used?



US Dollars, I believe.

Edit: I will double check that for you, as I may be wrong.

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.01.30 00:17:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: riverini


excelent feed back, so if i buy one with eve CASH is am still helping the cause right!? Very Happy


No :) You'd have to contract "CCP PLEX for Haiti" for the donation to go through.

4134
Posted - 2010.01.30 00:22:00 - [14]
 

I strongly dissaprove of this.

hi, i'm poor, i require charity, i know, i'll just sell some isk. oo wait.

slippery slope, ig isk should have no rl value imo.

Traxio Nacho
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2010.01.30 00:29:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Will that money be paid in dollars or euros? If I buy a PLEX in euros, donated and converted to dollar value you are profitting from it. What is the exact "real monetary value" of the PLEX that will be donated to red cross? Wich currency will be used?



US Dollars, I believe.

Edit: I will double check that for you, as I may be wrong.


So does that mean CCP will give the equivalent Euros > Dollars or if the game time is purchased in Euros for example €14.95 ($20.7) (30 days game time) would CCP just give $14.95

Cheekything
Gallente
Black Lance
Posted - 2010.01.30 00:58:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Cheekything on 30/01/2010 01:47:01
You should make it into a competition for player, corporations and alliances see who can donate the most.

Also Ninja Dev Blog edit are so not cool. Rolling Eyes

Kane Plekkel
The Necronomicons
Posted - 2010.01.30 01:03:00 - [17]
 

If you're out of ideas for reaching the entire player base, why not send an EVE-wide notification regarding this?

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2010.01.30 02:28:00 - [18]
 

Shouldn't this be in scam, er I mean market discussion sub forum?

Shakespearicles
Posted - 2010.01.30 04:40:00 - [19]
 

it's nice and all, but for it to be better than giving the money directly to red cross, is it possible to redeem some kind of zephyr-like shuttle... considering this wouldn't be a tax-write off or something IRL.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:51:00 - [20]
 

Great idea!!

Please write a follow-up blog once all is done.

Come on people, let's get some isk together and help! Who cares about isk anyway when REAL people can be helped???

Taikun
Gallente
Jovoso
Teldar Paper
Posted - 2010.01.30 07:30:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Taikun on 30/01/2010 07:49:42
Will we be provided a tax receipt for our donations so we can claim the tax benefits rather than CCP?

Also... will CCP be matching at ANY level the players donations? If not, and if we are not provided with tax receipts this is a positive financial gain from tax deductions for CCP. I am curious about CCPs ethical stance on this issue. Hilmar Veigar Pétursson? Would you like to comment as the single largest shareholder and the individual who would benefit the most from tax deductions of this program?

Also I am curious about the legal culpability of CCP collecting monies for 'charitable purposes'. In Australia it is against the law for such activities to be conducted by businesses that do not declare which charities they are in fact collecting for. Does Iceland not have comparable limitations on corporations?

Charities named are bound to ensure proper accounting to no fraudulent collecting takes place. Does CCP have details available to us who will recieve our donations? Do you have contact details of these organisations so we can check that our monies in fact are properly receipted and delivered? (A "cash donation" to Red Cross as stated by CCP CEO sounds... suspect IMHO.)

I would not want CCP to experience any negative social or political backlash if CCP is benifiting financially tax wise from charitable contibutions without ensuring the appropriate protcols are followed.

Please advise this community.

Regards,
Taikun

iudex
Posted - 2010.01.30 07:49:00 - [22]
 

Nice thing CCP, I like this idea.

Peryner
University of Caille
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:00:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
against the law for such activities to be conducted by businesses that do not declare which charities they are in fact collecting for


they said redcross

also great idea CCP!

and also isk doesn't have cash value, every Plex has allready been paid for. IT's nice of you to take mooney allready paid to you, and give it back. \o/

also why would care about the tax write up? your donating to help people, why would saving money be the 1st thing someone would think of?

FingerThief
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:05:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: FingerThief on 30/01/2010 08:05:11
I normally sit in silence and read the forums for a laugh.

But some guys in this thread are just blatant idiots.

Tax-deduction ?
Scam ?
Market forum ?

If you want tax-deduction use your RL money and donate. You donate ISK ( PLEX ) to CCP and they will take them out the game and convert them into RL cash.
Nice write-up about it, zero/zilch/null content apart a half-wit intellectual show off.

Scam ... GTFO.

This thread does not belong anywhere else but here.

Taikun
Gallente
Jovoso
Teldar Paper
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:07:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Taikun on 30/01/2010 08:12:17
Originally by: Peryner
Quote:
against the law for such activities to be conducted by businesses that do not declare which charities they are in fact collecting for


they said redcross


Yes they said... I would like to confirm that they will NOT make a cash donation on behalf of CCP, rather collect for Red Cross and not exploit the generosity of the playerbase for tax purposes.

Red Cross will be able to confirm this and also provide confirmation that they as a charitable institution has allowed CCP to collect donations in their name. If not... CCP may be conducting illegal collections.

Originally by: Peryner
also why would care about the tax write up? your donating to help people, why would saving money be the 1st thing someone would think of?


I care if a corporation benefits financially off their customers back in the name of charity. That is why there are laws about such activities here in Australia.

I care DEEPLY as a full time volunteer of charitable institutions.

Taikun

P.S Dont get me wrong... this (perhaps) is a nobal effort from CCP. However I am asking reasonable questions on where this money is going and allowed the opportunity to verify that the funds are indeed going to help those that need it the most.

Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:20:00 - [26]
 

Great idea. Glad you are doing this.

Ambo
I've Got Nothing
Posted - 2010.01.30 09:28:00 - [27]
 

Excellent idea. Thanks for giving me a way to do something worthwhile with my spare isk.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.30 10:33:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cheekything
You should make it into a competition for player, corporations and alliances see who can donate the most.

This!

Implement something cool, but relatively useless, like the Apotheosis, and use that as reward for charity drives (which you should then do more often).
Give 5 of them to the alliance (>250 players in alliance) donating most PLEX/member, 3 to the corp (>25 members in corp) donating most PLEX/member, and 1 to the player donating most.

Would provide a good incentive, and a chance to show off... Maybe also use medals for this...

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.01.30 10:55:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: 0oO0oOoOo0o on 30/01/2010 10:56:59
Originally by: Cheekything

You should make it into a competition for player, corporations and alliances see who can donate the most.


Something tells me that this would multiply the amount of donated PLEX. Even a simple list, that shows how much players/corps/alliances spent would do. Or something like an ingame charity-medal (the ones we can see in the character info): bronze medal for donating 1 PLEX, silver medal for 5 PLEX, gold medal for 10 PLEX.

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.01.30 11:11:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kerfira

Would provide a good incentive, and a chance to show off... Maybe also use medals for this...


Oops didn't read your post before posting mine. But this shows that the idea is obvious Laughing

Also this is not only for the purpose to show off but to be a good example for others and encourage them to donate too.


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