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Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2010.02.01 01:21:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Fer DeLance
whine whine whine...



you make a "pvp" living off of killing suiciders, i'm not so sure why this bothers you so much?

You're going to need a HELL of alot of proof to say for sure that these characters are intended as "throw away" characters...

Droog 1
Posted - 2010.02.01 18:39:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Droog 1 on 01/02/2010 18:42:14
You can make as many suicide accounts as you want as long as you pay CCP.

You may not make a suicide alt and biomass it to make room for a new suicide alt.

To clarify: There is a difference between biomassing an alt and not renewing an account.

Originally by: Le Skunk

The simple fact is though that CCP make money out of this, they actively encourage people to run multiple accounts and roll alts through offers like the "power of two".
SKUNK


^^ This

JDawg1290
Posted - 2010.02.01 18:49:00 - [33]
 

"I didn't like the character's avatar." -EVE Forum Poster

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.02.02 01:22:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Emperor Serenity
Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing

And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?

Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"

That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.

It may be clear as glass, but it's also completely unworkable.....

If CCP started enforcing it, anyone abusing it would just be using a separate account.
When all 3 characters on that account was -sec, they'd ditch the account and make another one. Hell, do it once you've used just one char and get 14 days training for free....

The 'exploit' is essentially non-enforceable, which makes it pretty irrelevant....

The Jam
Amarr
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2010.02.02 03:02:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: HighwayMan DhD
Nice write up, would read again.

CCP answered your question as to legality in their game.

I would also like to point out that reclying characters for the following is also legal, and suffers no long term implications for the user:
Spying on allainces/corp
Smack talking
Forum whor-ing
Scouting
Theft
Scamming
Baiting

Corp Creation for War decing-war dec avoidence
and no doubt a multitude of other uses


BUT
You could always stress your objection to CCPs polciy for their game with an account cancellation Rolling Eyes

How does CCP measure someones intent on what they bio mass a char for.

HighwayMan DhD
Highwaymen
Posted - 2010.02.02 10:35:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: The Jam
Originally by: HighwayMan DhD
Nice write up, would read again.

CCP answered your question as to legality in their game.

I would also like to point out that reclying characters for the following is also legal, and suffers no long term implications for the user:
Spying on allainces/corp
Smack talking
Forum whor-ing
Scouting
Theft
Scamming
Baiting

Corp Creation for War decing-war dec avoidence
and no doubt a multitude of other uses


BUT
You could always stress your objection to CCPs polciy for their game with an account cancellation Rolling Eyes

How does CCP measure someones intent on what they bio mass a char for.


they check their logs....
oh wai.

GM Nova

Posted - 2011.07.08 16:37:00 - [37]
 

In order to prevent players from taking actions that might get them into trouble I'd like to address this issue. What is being discussed here is an exploit clear and simple. Lead GM Grimmi has already addressed this matter Here

Originally by: GM Grimmi
Hi everybody,

Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple. Using "disposable ships" is not seen as an exploit since all ships ARE disposable, when properly insured.

Exploits are the abuse of game mechanics in ways that were not intended or foreseen in order to gain unfair advantages over others. CCP has to date made arrangements to fix such issues as fast as possible. This, however, takes time and resources to sort out and the proper and perfectly logical solution is to prohibit whatever abuse of game mechanics in question until said issue is fixed.

While some unintended uses of game mechanics may not be classed as exploits they may still be subject to re-design or tuning and we assure you that CCP is working hard on fixing problems with game mechanics as deemed appropriate.

That is really the only straight answer we are able to give you guys on the contents of this thread at this time. There are so many possible scenarios and cases must be evaluated and handled on an individual basis and we simply have to deal with problems as they crop up. The petition system is the way to go about reporting possible issues that may require GM/dev attention so please be sure to file a petition if you think there is a problem. We will then investigate the issue and take the appropriate action.


The matter cannot be more clear and let me assure you this is very much enforceable. Please be sure to adhere to our rules and policies.

Yours,
GM Nova

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.08 18:56:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: GM Nova
In order to prevent players from taking actions that might get them into trouble I'd like to address this issue. What is being discussed here is an exploit clear and simple. Lead GM Grimmi has already addressed this matter Here

Originally by: GM Grimmi
Hi everybody,

Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple. Using "disposable ships" is not seen as an exploit since all ships ARE disposable, when properly insured.

Exploits are the abuse of game mechanics in ways that were not intended or foreseen in order to gain unfair advantages over others. CCP has to date made arrangements to fix such issues as fast as possible. This, however, takes time and resources to sort out and the proper and perfectly logical solution is to prohibit whatever abuse of game mechanics in question until said issue is fixed.

While some unintended uses of game mechanics may not be classed as exploits they may still be subject to re-design or tuning and we assure you that CCP is working hard on fixing problems with game mechanics as deemed appropriate.

That is really the only straight answer we are able to give you guys on the contents of this thread at this time. There are so many possible scenarios and cases must be evaluated and handled on an individual basis and we simply have to deal with problems as they crop up. The petition system is the way to go about reporting possible issues that may require GM/dev attention so please be sure to file a petition if you think there is a problem. We will then investigate the issue and take the appropriate action.


The matter cannot be more clear and let me assure you this is very much enforceable. Please be sure to adhere to our rules and policies.

Yours,
GM Nova


Its not quite :18months: since the last post in this thread. Please un-necro and wait the additional month.

Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2011.07.08 20:48:00 - [39]
 

I knew CCP was working on time dilation, but this is somewhat over the top... YARRRR!! Thread gets flagged a year ago, and is lost due to lag? ;)

But anyways, ty for confirming that its an exploit. I do see it still being used.. the usual bunch of apocs with almost identical character names and birthdates hanging around gates.

chadbrochill17
Posted - 2011.07.08 22:38:00 - [40]
 

Admittedly, I only skimmed the link in GM Nova's reply. But, there seems to be a lack of an explanation as to what the repercussions might be for taking advantage of this "exploit."

@ OP: If it peeves you that a small group of one month old characters can form a respectable alpha gank squad, you would definitely not have been a fan of the days when you could make a "24-hour hero" alt. for such purposes. But, alas, the days of a new character starting with just shy of 7-digit SP are long gone...

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.08 23:06:00 - [41]
 

Suicide Kessies!

Velocity Prime
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2011.07.09 05:47:00 - [42]
 

I just reported GM Nova's post for being ******ed.

Originally by: "Velocity Prime"
This post is a prime example of lackluster performance by the CCP GM team. Thanks for the necro, GM Nova.



Cliffy Byro
Posted - 2011.07.09 09:55:00 - [43]
 

I haz a fix ccp - Only allow 1 charachter recycle a year

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:16:00 - [44]
 

These low skill gank alts arent being trained on someones main account, theyre throway accounts, not characters.

It doesent take the brains of an archbishop to work out the buddy system trick and while CCP are obviously aware of it how much they can actually do about it is a different matter.

51 days of gank alt training. For free. You dont even bother to biomass the character.

As an aside, im in favour of as many hisec gank alts griefing away as the servers can handle. Once enough carebears quit because of it, maybe CCP will do something about the stupidity of the current gank/insurance payout mechanic. Payouts for being concorded? Pffft....

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.09 14:58:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Emperor Serenity
Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing


And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?

Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"

That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.



^^ This. CCP. please act on it.

Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:02:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Zavulon Sukkot on 12/07/2011 07:02:37
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Emperor Serenity
Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing


And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?

Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"

That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.



^^ This. CCP. please act on it.


Working as intended. With just spawning a new account, you have to dedicate an account to suiciding. With biomassing a suicide toon, you could keep another character on the account used for other stuff. Of course, this is moot if you make suiciding a career and just keep the -10 character active. ugh

EDIT: Oh yeah, GM Necro, best Necro.

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.07.14 11:13:00 - [47]
 

Pretty good necro tbh.

Ed Sullivan
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:08:00 - [48]
 

Holy cow - did I read it wrong or did a GM just pull a necro? Nice job!

On topic: The thing I like about Eve is that your reputation can mean something and there are consequences. If it were up to me (and if it were possible), I'd limit the game to 1 character per human player. Want to be an outlaw? Awesome, live as an outlaw. Want to be a scaredy-pants carebear? Then that's you. It would make the game way better, imho. If you are going to be a bear, be a grizzly. Hiding behind alts just detracts from the fun and immersion.

NotTheSmartestCookie
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:44:00 - [49]
 

Cleaning yeh olde inbox before going on holidays, eh?

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2011.07.14 20:05:00 - [50]
 



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