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Kola XXX
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Aeternus.
Posted - 2010.01.30 05:42:00 - [721]
 

Originally by: SpongeSlog
Originally by: Kola XXX

Just stop with this lame "we don't care/we are terrible" propaganda. We have all seen the tears and the fact that a large portion of your members do care about being good at internet spaceships. Go read some of Mittanis posts on kugu from the last few weeks, the gloating "all IT TCu's are killed, Suck it !!!" and all the back patting going on in there.Laughing

Also,chalk your losing Delve up to a cultural victory for IT and company as your management decided Eve wasn't worth playing and bailed on you when you needed them Embarassed.Instead of spawning a Haargoth you spawned a guy who just stopped caring and didn't trust his most senior members...close enough to the same thing.


In paragraph one, you accuse of "we are terrible" propaganda.
In paragraph two, you accuse us of being terrible.




No, not really. Terrible players wouldn't be able to spam stations and supercaps. You say you are terrible to mask any failings or to make yourselves feel better when you fail as well as to have a comedy option when you win. I say you had morale issues in your leadership , which was even greater than the problem that occured in BoB mk 1.

Snot Shot
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.01.30 05:58:00 - [722]
 

Originally by: Kymlicka
Yeah, so BoB camped S-U in 2006 and I have been butt hurt ever since............Sad

hahahahahah.....thats awesome!! I think we have just found the goonie that cares the most!! I'm going to guess that if IT had to choose between 4-5 months of "Alarm Clock" ops trying to take back D/Q/PB or watching Goons publically humiliate themselves by stepping on their own ****s, I bet the majority would chose watching your leadership fail as bad as it did.....

This purse fight between GS and IT guys/girls has been going on since 2006 and if anyone tried to script the ending I doubt it would have ever been so sweet and so poetic as it turned out.....Wink

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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 05:59:00 - [723]
 

Confirmed dropping station is hard and doesn't just require a lot of money.

Kymlicka
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:11:00 - [724]
 

Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: Kymlicka
Yeah, so BoB camped S-U in 2006 and I have been butt hurt ever since............Sad

hahahahahah.....thats awesome!! I think we have just found the goonie that cares the most!! I'm going to guess that if IT had to choose between 4-5 months of "Alarm Clock" ops trying to take back D/Q/PB or watching Goons publically humiliate themselves by stepping on their own ****s, I bet the majority would chose watching your leadership fail as bad as it did.....

This purse fight between GS and IT guys/girls has been going on since 2006 and if anyone tried to script the ending I doubt it would have ever been so sweet and so poetic as it turned out.....Wink

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So, in other words, much like I described, you missed every point I've said in this thread and then rambled semi-coherently about something tangentially related. I can only hope that you are acting, because this is just sad.

Rani McGee
Minmatar
The Resurging Wind
Lost Sheep Domain
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:12:00 - [725]
 

Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: Kymlicka
Yeah, so BoB camped S-U in 2006 and I have been butt hurt ever since............Sad

hahahahahah.....thats awesome!! I think we have just found the goonie that cares the most!! I'm going to guess that if IT had to choose between 4-5 months of "Alarm Clock" ops trying to take back D/Q/PB or watching Goons publically humiliate themselves by stepping on their own ****s, I bet the majority would chose watching your leadership fail as bad as it did.....

This purse fight between GS and IT guys/girls has been going on since 2006 and if anyone tried to script the ending I doubt it would have ever been so sweet and so poetic as it turned out.....Wink

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I can never quite figure it out. Is it your tongue or your nose covered in Molle poo?

Snot Shot
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:17:00 - [726]
 

Originally by: Kola XXX
Just stop with this lame "we don't care/we are terrible" propaganda. We have all seen the tears and the fact that a large portion of your members do care about being good at internet spaceships. Go read some of Mittanis posts on kugu from the last few weeks, the gloating "all IT TCu's are killed, Suck it !!!" and all the back patting going on in there.Laughing

Also,chalk your losing Delve up to a cultural victory for IT and company as your management decided Eve wasn't worth playing and bailed on you when you needed them Embarassed.Instead of spawning a Haargoth you spawned a guy who just stopped caring and didn't trust his most senior members...close enough to the same thing.

Sorry Kymlik I actually think this guy nailed it for me so I added some icing instead which seems to have made.......wait for it.....~ u mad..Wink

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Prannon
Gallente
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:19:00 - [727]
 

The thing I find interesting about this whole affair is the level of chest beating. Just looking at the prologue of IT's invasion of Fountain, there were constant Goonswarm references to BoB's humiliating defeat in losing Delve and Querious, its inability to hold space, and that it would never be a major power in EVE again. All those Bobbites were all washed up and bitter with no lives or lulz, they implied. So, for months the rhetoric has essentially been, "You're stupid and lost your space! Haha!! Just try to remove us..."

And now all of a sudden they're the ones being removed, and it's because they themselves were stupid. And the most interesting thing is that they're strutting this around like it's a good thing after all this time they spent bloviating about how old BoB/IT was washed up, incompetent, had fail-corps in it, and so on and so forth.

What's happening is a serious case of Doublethink. Goonswarm was more than willing to believe that it was the top dog so long as they were entrenched in Delve/Querious and could keep IT out. It's not like they were doing a bad job at that either. But now they were idiots, and all of a sudden "Oh...we're such failures at the game. We don't know what we're doing...we're glad we lost to a mechanical flaw rather than your fleets blablabla..."

It's a defense mechanism. They're downplaying the loss to make themselves feel better for such monumental incompetence as to not pay their bills, all while they continue to mock IT and Molle out of some desire to see them throw a mad hissy fit because Internet Spaceships is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Well, that's too bad. All of EVE is laughing at Goonswarm (or with them if they happen to find it amusing themselves) regardless of how they try to spin their internal thoughts on the matter. What really matters, I suppose, is that their alliance wasn't able to maintain its hold on Delve any more than BoB was, which bodes ill for the arrogant, chest beating, insulting and annoying image that the forum warriors built for them.

Alaxen
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:50:00 - [728]
 

Originally by: Prannon
It's a defense mechanism. They're downplaying the loss to make themselves feel better for such monumental incompetence as to not pay their bills, all while they continue to mock IT and Molle out of some desire to see them throw a mad hissy fit because Internet Spaceships is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Well quite. It's a very simple case of Damage Control. In such a situation you have two options:

1) Panic and watch your membership slide away en masse.

2) Act like nothing happened and hope that only a few dramaqueens disappear in an emoragequit.

Kymlicka
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 06:53:00 - [729]
 

Originally by: Prannon
The thing I find interesting about this whole affair is the level of chest beating. Just looking at the prologue of IT's invasion of Fountain, there were constant Goonswarm references to BoB's humiliating defeat in losing Delve and Querious, its inability to hold space, and that it would never be a major power in EVE again. All those Bobbites were all washed up and bitter with no lives or lulz, they implied. So, for months the rhetoric has essentially been, "You're stupid and lost your space! Haha!! Just try to remove us..."

And now all of a sudden they're the ones being removed, and it's because they themselves were stupid. And the most interesting thing is that they're strutting this around like it's a good thing after all this time they spent bloviating about how old BoB/IT was washed up, incompetent, had fail-corps in it, and so on and so forth.

What's happening is a serious case of Doublethink. Goonswarm was more than willing to believe that it was the top dog so long as they were entrenched in Delve/Querious and could keep IT out. It's not like they were doing a bad job at that either. But now they were idiots, and all of a sudden "Oh...we're such failures at the game. We don't know what we're doing...we're glad we lost to a mechanical flaw rather than your fleets blablabla..."

It's a defense mechanism. They're downplaying the loss to make themselves feel better for such monumental incompetence as to not pay their bills, all while they continue to mock IT and Molle out of some desire to see them throw a mad hissy fit because Internet Spaceships is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Well, that's too bad. All of EVE is laughing at Goonswarm (or with them if they happen to find it amusing themselves) regardless of how they try to spin their internal thoughts on the matter. What really matters, I suppose, is that their alliance wasn't able to maintain its hold on Delve any more than BoB was, which bodes ill for the arrogant, chest beating, insulting and annoying image that the forum warriors built for them.


You have to remember that we've described ourselves as terrible at this game for the entire length of time that goonfleet has existed. Remember that time Remedial stole our titan fund? We laughed and said we were horrible at this game then, too.

After we took delve, I basically stopped playing because things were boring; however, I am truly pleased that if we were going to lose delve, it's because it's just another instance in which we are legitimately horrible at this game. I think it's funny, and it's what I expect and like about goons. I'm not an official voice of anything, but this is hardly a defense mechanism or some sort of spin. It's just ****ing funny.

Snot Shot
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.01.30 07:14:00 - [730]
 

Originally by: Prannon
The thing I find interesting about this whole affair is the level of chest beating. Just looking at the prologue of IT's invasion of Fountain, there were constant Goonswarm references to BoB's humiliating defeat in losing Delve and Querious, its inability to hold space, and that it would never be a major power in EVE again. All those Bobbites were all washed up and bitter with no lives or lulz, they implied. So, for months the rhetoric has essentially been, "You're stupid and lost your space! Haha!! Just try to remove us..."

And now all of a sudden they're the ones being removed, and it's because they themselves were stupid. And the most interesting thing is that they're strutting this around like it's a good thing after all this time they spent bloviating about how old BoB/IT was washed up, incompetent, had fail-corps in it, and so on and so forth.

What's happening is a serious case of Doublethink. Goonswarm was more than willing to believe that it was the top dog so long as they were entrenched in Delve/Querious and could keep IT out. It's not like they were doing a bad job at that either. But now they were idiots, and all of a sudden "Oh...we're such failures at the game. We don't know what we're doing...we're glad we lost to a mechanical flaw rather than your fleets blablabla..."

It's a defense mechanism. They're downplaying the loss to make themselves feel better for such monumental incompetence as to not pay their bills, all while they continue to mock IT and Molle out of some desire to see them throw a mad hissy fit because Internet Spaceships is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Well, that's too bad. All of EVE is laughing at Goonswarm (or with them if they happen to find it amusing themselves) regardless of how they try to spin their internal thoughts on the matter. What really matters, I suppose, is that their alliance wasn't able to maintain its hold on Delve any more than BoB was, which bodes ill for the arrogant, chest beating, insulting and annoying image that the forum warriors built for them.


Shocked.....wow...that was nice..

Originally by: BW
Subculture of Goonswarm is ideally displays environment organized in a flock of evil. Vice, erected in cult. And the fact that this vice has been defeated. And defeated with enormous effort on the road to which was the despair and frustration and defeat. This, for me, at least, signal that the world is not as bad as it seems.

And those who say that the victory was the result of chance, I will answer only one - of these "accidents" and consists history. And the course of history does not send events, but people who are hungry for victory, people with iron will.

Briefly about the causes of the fall. The formal reason - unpaid bill. But what is behind this? Two things: paranoia and disorganization. Very nice that an alliance whose landmark victory occurred thanks to bribery and treason was the victim of distrust to their own directors. There were many cries about "It's just the game" However, in practice, in this "just play" in "fun dudes" alliance : in general, no one doesn't trust anyone.

Beautiful!

Disorganization - their essence. They are not able to build - only to destroy. All of their achievements lay in the fact that they joined the major coalitions. Skillfully urged allies to do things beneficial to them, floated on the waves. But they found themselves unable to even minimal organization at a critical moment.


Just Epic!...Laughing




Prannon
Gallente
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.01.30 07:22:00 - [731]
 

Originally by: Kymlicka
You have to remember that we've described ourselves as terrible at this game for the entire length of time that goonfleet has existed. Remember that time Remedial stole our titan fund? We laughed and said we were horrible at this game then, too.

After we took delve, I basically stopped playing because things were boring; however, I am truly pleased that if we were going to lose delve, it's because it's just another instance in which we are legitimately horrible at this game. I think it's funny, and it's what I expect and like about goons. I'm not an official voice of anything, but this is hardly a defense mechanism or some sort of spin. It's just ****ing funny.


I don't dispute that claim, since I haven't really been around for that long anyway. However, when it comes to the way Goons have carried themselves on the forums and in the game, I'm not really impressed with the sudden turn around in rhetoric. Not that that matters, since that's only my personal opinion.

Kola XXX
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Aeternus.
Posted - 2010.01.30 07:22:00 - [732]
 

Originally by: Kymlicka
Originally by: Prannon
The thing I find interesting about this whole affair is the level of chest beating. Just looking at the prologue of IT's invasion of Fountain, there were constant Goonswarm references to BoB's humiliating defeat in losing Delve and Querious, its inability to hold space, and that it would never be a major power in EVE again. All those Bobbites were all washed up and bitter with no lives or lulz, they implied. So, for months the rhetoric has essentially been, "You're stupid and lost your space! Haha!! Just try to remove us..."

And now all of a sudden they're the ones being removed, and it's because they themselves were stupid. And the most interesting thing is that they're strutting this around like it's a good thing after all this time they spent bloviating about how old BoB/IT was washed up, incompetent, had fail-corps in it, and so on and so forth.

What's happening is a serious case of Doublethink. Goonswarm was more than willing to believe that it was the top dog so long as they were entrenched in Delve/Querious and could keep IT out. It's not like they were doing a bad job at that either. But now they were idiots, and all of a sudden "Oh...we're such failures at the game. We don't know what we're doing...we're glad we lost to a mechanical flaw rather than your fleets blablabla..."

It's a defense mechanism. They're downplaying the loss to make themselves feel better for such monumental incompetence as to not pay their bills, all while they continue to mock IT and Molle out of some desire to see them throw a mad hissy fit because Internet Spaceships is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Well, that's too bad. All of EVE is laughing at Goonswarm (or with them if they happen to find it amusing themselves) regardless of how they try to spin their internal thoughts on the matter. What really matters, I suppose, is that their alliance wasn't able to maintain its hold on Delve any more than BoB was, which bodes ill for the arrogant, chest beating, insulting and annoying image that the forum warriors built for them.


You have to remember that we've described ourselves as terrible at this game for the entire length of time that goonfleet has existed. Remember that time Remedial stole our titan fund? We laughed and said we were horrible at this game then, too.

After we took delve, I basically stopped playing because things were boring; however, I am truly pleased that if we were going to lose delve, it's because it's just another instance in which we are legitimately horrible at this game. I think it's funny, and it's what I expect and like about goons. I'm not an official voice of anything, but this is hardly a defense mechanism or some sort of spin. It's just ****ing funny.


Losing everything you've worked for to your most hated enemy is funny?
1.Reread above posts.
2.Move on with your life,stop making excuses and hiding behind bullsh*t.

I'm no pro poster,but you and your bunch are trying to hard to convince yourselves and it's painfully obvious.

Douglas Pearce
Caldari
Music Martinis and Misanthropy
Kugutsumen.
Posted - 2010.01.30 07:44:00 - [733]
 

Originally by: Kola XXX

Losing everything you've worked for to your most hated enemy is funny?



It's not just funny, it's ****ing hilarious.

Needs sense of humour tho

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:30:00 - [734]
 

Originally by: GoonSwarm
We said we were terrible at this game first so your not allowed to make fun of us! Embarassed

Jintra Jin'tak
Gallente
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:33:00 - [735]
 

Edited by: Jintra Jin''tak on 30/01/2010 08:34:19
Guess, some members have to run missions/Rat again for Money now.

Can I has my 500Mil back, please? Rolling Eyes

P.S.: still have 17Mil left. Can I halp?

Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:37:00 - [736]
 

Originally by: SirMolle

Karma is a *****, aint it?


You should know best after losing all those titans and also the one you begged back from CCP. And your heroic defense of Delve from PR station will never be forgotten. Yeah, Karma must be a ***** on you.Laughing

Ow man, it never gets old to "karma" you to your place.Razz


General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.01.30 08:57:00 - [737]
 

Originally by: Kymlicka
I just love the way Windypops and Snot Shot froth in such a flailing and unimpressive way. You both lack an appreciation of craft, for which you compensate by being emphatically asinine, pointlessly inaccurate and misrepresentative, and ultimately irrelevant. I would feel bad for you if you didn't try so god damned hard to be frantic, flop-sweat coated demagogues intent on pursuing a political campaign that has no tangible objectives.

I don't even have anything to argue about with you two, because you never say anything of substance and you make sure that every one of your posts takes a very precise and giant **** on any potential credibility that you might somehow have.

And no, I'm not mad, edgy, serious, or unique. But I am right. And it took far less effort for me to write this than it could possibly take for either of you to invest so much time and energy into the worthless endeavor that is your public image. (Incidentally, your public image could not exist without goons, so you're welcome for that, too.)

More on topic, I think this whole situation is hilarious: winning eve was nice, but the aftermath was quite boring. I can't think of a better way to deprive our opponents of a worthwhile victory than to achieve through incompetence what they had failed to accomplish on their own.

Cheers,

~fart~


You're right. Furiously typing out about 2000 words on two pages to try to convince me how little you care about Eve is guaranteed to work.

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.01.30 09:00:00 - [738]
 

You know what goons and ******s have in common? They both laugh at themselves when they fall down.

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.01.30 09:31:00 - [739]
 

Edited by: General Windypops on 30/01/2010 09:32:38
Originally by: Metal Dude
You know what goons and ******s have in common? They both laugh at themselves when they fall down.



tbh metal dude that's the kind of joke I would expect a goon to make, not someone from IT. Mocking the mentally ill is hardly original, amusing or endearing.

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 09:36:00 - [740]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
You know what goons and ******s have in common? They both laugh at themselves when they fall down.



u mad?

Keflin Geard
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.01.30 09:45:00 - [741]
 

Goons can laugh this off as much as they want, and tbh in the long run its probably a good thing for them, but looking around Delve at the billions in discarded POS/JB/HUBs and all the gear and crap locked in stations - many of your members are hurting.

Matata Hakuna
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.01.30 11:21:00 - [742]
 

Originally by: Keflin Geard
many of your members are hurting.


Ow I'm in pain, wanna give me hug?Laughing

Skilo
Caldari
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.01.30 11:47:00 - [743]
 

Originally by: Besomyka

If you really think that the Jihad was something that was supported or caused by our occupation of Delve, then you're in for a lot of disappointment.

I suspect that their unique method for generating ISK in empire will find a few more converts in the coming month.



Is this another way of saying "We never wanted those regions anyway?"

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 11:56:00 - [744]
 

Originally by: Kola XXX

Losing everything you've worked for to your most hated enemy is funny?



Are you saying it's not? Seriously? In a game of internet spaceships. It's just another line in a history full of hilarious welps and mistakes. Don't get me wrong, there are people who are furious about this. Horrible pubbies writing terrible posts and quitting, and that is hilarious too.

In the end, it's still playing internet spaceships. The people who are happy with the internet spaceships experience stay, and the people who are unhappy leave. An interesting metric regarding this is how many people who leave: A metric I like to call the 'J4G Pubbie index'. The people who have already left the guild weren't goons and the more unhappy they are, the more hilarious it becomes.

Goons will always play internet spaceships - whether we're the big serious hurf blurf internet spaceship empire (Goonfleet) or our likable (but somewhat ******ed) little brothers (Groon) who live in Syndicate, but if we weren't having fun doing what we were doing we wouldn't exist. It's as simple as that.

Will we own space in the future? I'm sure we won't be allowed to build up in 0.0, I've heard it somewhere. If we do, people who don't want to be tied down will run black ops or mission or rat in Delve or just do whatever they like. If we don't, people who desperately want to own space land will move to another alliance. They certainly won't sit down and weep over the tragic collapse of our once mighty internet spaceship empire.

Even if I did pull hellof chicks by telling them I could rat in Delve.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 12:02:00 - [745]
 

Originally by: Skilo

Is this another way of saying "We never wanted those regions anyway?"



No, pointing out the sheer number of horrible office outposts we anchored that you have to maintain sov in is our way of saying that we never wanted those regions anyway. Enjoy your renters. ugh

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 12:08:00 - [746]
 

Originally by: Keflin Geard
Goons can laugh this off as much as they want, and tbh in the long run its probably a good thing for them, but looking around Delve at the billions in discarded POS/JB/HUBs and all the gear and crap locked in stations - many of your members are hurting.


Yes and no. IT focused on capturing two systems on the first night: NOL and J-L (I wonder why Rolling Eyes) and that let a lot of people evac their asses from their home stations. Because most of us had homes outside of NOL and J-L we have a large number of people with jump clones to those stations, and we're managing to get a lot of expensive personal assets out.

Sure, a lot of people had a lot of tough decisions to make (Especially if they didn't listen to the directorate saying 'Move your stuff out of NOL'): Do I save my stack of DC II's or my Golem, but when it comes down to it Goons help Goons and the reason IT were lucky enough to get a JF kill and a few freighter kills in the first 24 hours is because we were throwing them around like ******s getting friends assets out.

:420: Jump to unscouted beacon erry day.

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 12:20:00 - [747]
 

Dude, if you write more than two sentences on this forum and you aren't trolling, you care way to much. Stop posting.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.01.30 12:24:00 - [748]
 

wow, the Goons sure are trying very hard to look like they don't care

when I don't care, I ragepost about how much I don't care on CAOD - it's very convincing Embarassed


Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.30 12:25:00 - [749]
 

Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 30/01/2010 12:34:59
Originally by: Kushmir
Dude, if you write more than two sentences on this forum and you aren't trolling, you care way to much. Stop posting.


Spy detected.

Never stop posting.
No not believing in yourself.

Skilo
Caldari
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.01.30 12:26:00 - [750]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Skilo

Is this another way of saying "We never wanted those regions anyway?"



No, pointing out the sheer number of horrible office outposts we anchored that you have to maintain sov in is our way of saying that we never wanted those regions anyway. Enjoy your renters. ugh


IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!

Goons placed Outposts all over Delve to kill us!!!!

LMAO


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