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Get Paid
Posted - 2010.01.26 05:38:00 - [31]
 

While i read through some of the posts i agree with everything everyone has said. But no one has answered my question. "have you noticed that great swathes of people are un subbing their accounts?" Or is it just coincidence im bored and am noticing an unusual amount of people writing dear john letters in corp.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.01.26 05:45:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Get Paid
While i read through some of the posts i agree with everything everyone has said. But no one has answered my question. "have you noticed that great swathes of people are un subbing their accounts?" Or is it just coincidence im bored and am noticing an unusual amount of people writing dear john letters in corp.


yes which is why we keep breaking pcu records everyone is unsubscribing Shocked

your corp is failing, the rest of eve seems to be doing pretty well

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.26 13:14:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Get Paid
While i read through some of the posts i agree with everything everyone has said. But no one has answered my question. "have you noticed that great swathes of people are un subbing their accounts?" Or is it just coincidence im bored and am noticing an unusual amount of people writing dear john letters in corp.


To answer your question directly, I haven't noticed any great swathes of people unsubbing their accounts, in fact quite the opposite, while I have been with my current corp the numbers have grown and most of the people who were members when I joined are still members.

Also on a more general note I would say the figures speak for themselves, the population seems to be growing to me not shrinking. If you are bored maybe take a break, but I am sure once you try what else is out there you will soon be back Very Happy

Qui Shon
Posted - 2010.01.26 13:31:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Trader20
I agree with you. This sandbox game requires motivation and have a zero atm. I need more instant gratification and not this long, dragged out drama fights that end with grief and lag bombs. Eve needs to be more like bf2, CoD, fps game.


Heh. Instant gratification adhd console tard. You've already insulted yourself enough, so I don't have to pour on more, sweet. Razz

If you want bf2, go play bf2. Or ST online. Eve certainly doesn't need more instant grat noobs around. Away with ye.

Mallikanth
Posted - 2010.01.26 13:39:00 - [35]
 

I don't play that much these days - taking a break as I'm kind of burnt out too.

Kept my subs and skill training going and sitting in a one man corp (I hate NPC corps) in the meantime.

Done this before now and will undoubtedly do it again in a year or so's time. There is no better game out there than eve (for all it's faults) IMHO.

Keep your account alive or at least remember it's details so you can come back when you miss the old place ugh

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.01.26 18:59:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Shawshanke on 26/01/2010 19:09:40
Just a few points. 50k+ online is actually not a whole hell of a lot of people and it is my belief that this game grows in alts more than it grows in players. I know a few people who have 30+ accounts that train and sell hulk and orca pilots to people in 0.0 all the time, causing this game to "grow" wile doing it. It only took me 5 days to realize that I needed a second account and then when I started doing lvl 4's I found that the salvage alt made me enough money fast enough that I could afford a 3rd account. All of which plexed 3 months ahead flying several billion isk shinny ships with a bank account that allows me to enjoy many aspects of the game. Every where you go in this game you see people talking about their mining alts, logistics alt, market alts, salvaging alt, industry alt, pirate alt/main, suicide alts... etc. The point is there's seems to be far more alts than people in this game.

As far as people liking to do things for themselves and not wanting to be forced into groups... Umm Ya, how did you not realize that most people are not codependent? New to this planet?

In every mmo I've played most players spend most of their time alone farming or doing whatever alone and only playing a mmo to have people to socialize with wile they're doing it. In ever group/corp/guild you have a "small" core group that spends all their time in a group and then most of the other members you never even see except in chat or the Saturday/Sunday event (yes there's always a Saturday/Sunday event) . Then you have a few others that whine all day every day in local and group/corp/guild chat that nobody wants to group with them, why is it nobody ever wants to group, where are all the groups, why do all these people play a mmo if they're going to do it alone cry, cry, cry. You know the type I'm talking about, but note that most mmo players are doing for themselves... alone.

Now I'm aware that this may just be my experience and the types of people I gravitate towards but as I travel around any mmo I mostly find that this is pretty common everywhere, you see people coming and going in droves but most are doing it alone and groups no where near as common as solo. Because that's the way humans are.

Edit: I has'ed a sp3ll'in error.

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.26 19:17:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Get Paid
"have you noticed that great swathes of people are un subbing their accounts?"


No. More like the opposite, a lot of players that have been gone from Eve now returning (myself for example).


Quote:
Or is it just coincidence im bored and am noticing an unusual amount of people writing dear john letters in corp.


Yes.



In summary, Eve is clearly dying...

Tave88
Posted - 2010.01.27 18:25:00 - [38]
 

i came back cause of the 5 day free activation. i'll most likely quit again though, i find this game something i play 1/3 of each year. usually i get bored and leave then come back soon after because months off usually shakes of the repetitiveness.

maybe i will quit this time alot sooner, not so sure. i do mainly watch movies while i leave my repair module on auto and start ratting 0.0 with the local box see-able so i know if a red is in. other then that i chat alot. PVP wise i can't do much cause my skill plan requires me another 6months to be a acceptable in dps and tanking. i also play other games so its not too bad.

but so far, what keeps me going is the chatting with the friends i made by join that corp. without them, i've wouldn't of resub after that 5 day free activatation. there are alot of things i like and well as alike of things i hate about eve but what can you do, we ain't the ones making the game. i love the market system and the ideal of space. i hate the pvp and lvling aspect as they seem so skilless and catered to the unnimble hands.

but overall, i think this game is alright if you play for a bit and leave then come back again 2-4 months per year. coming from a online fps player and other mmo. i'm just so used to the fact that when i win its because i had a good gun and i played smart with luck and knew the game and how to shoot and hide. i was able to take on 5 guys and merk them but in eve, it feels like theres no possibility of that, you can't expect to own 5 cruisers in your 1 cruiser because they don't have to aim, they don't have to manual fire, all they do is call their buddy and gangbang you with knowledge that the eve system is soo baised towards team/gangbang/automatic lock on,fire,scram, etc.

i will probally still play for 2-3 months for sure, if i do decide to quit i guess i will just give all my isk to my corp and say a friendly goodbye. a game that i'm waiting for is "dawn of fantasy". i'm a real sucker for rts and fps. for mmo i'm a diablo 2,ragnarok player so its pretty hard to accept the fact a 2004 player can always be better then you in everyway when all he has to do is set the skill and go play mario.

Rhodry Maelwaedd
Posted - 2010.01.27 19:47:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Trader20
solo play

Game 4 U

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.27 19:56:00 - [40]
 

Quote:
Rhodry Maelwaedd


Katharine Kerr FTW!

Lussac Trigalle
Posted - 2010.01.27 20:07:00 - [41]
 

Why not try getting a load of ships to Alentene or Tourier and join Red Vs Blue.

I promise you'll have a blast & if you don't you can still quit!

Red Vs Blue


Bloss0m
Caldari
Industrial death
Posted - 2010.01.27 20:34:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Bloss0m on 27/01/2010 20:36:38
Many people you know may be letting their accounts go but many such as myself are coming back for various reasons (5 day free resub and cheap first month back being a big one). Its the natural flow of eve you get people coming and going.

I had one corp mate come online and was in shock because he had pretty much been alone in that corp for 4 or 5 months and all of the sudden we had a big group of us back online. Almost every player will get burn out at some point and leave and it seems almost common place for people to leave for many months because they just lose interest for a while. So on your little side of eve people are jumping ship where on the other side you have more coming back.

I think things such as Incarna and planetary interaction may increase the time it takes to get burn out or eliminate it all together for many players. Eve is still steadily growing and something like walking in station may bring in a huge amount of players that other wise may not have played. So I believe will see eve growing much larger once some of these projects are finally released. (although it would be smart for ccp to get it out the door this year).

Ive played eve a good amount over the last 5 years and it has changed some but the core of eve seems to be the same on the whole and im sure even if you are bored of blowing up internet spaceships now you may in 4 months get the twitch to come back to eve and set new goals and try new things that have been added or game mechanics that have changed.

As far as the people wanting more instant pvp and quick fun I cant blame you but eve is a thinking mans game and not a twitch game. To an extent ccp realizes this and is trying to bring in more of that to the eve universe with dust but thats a ways off. Fact is everything in eve takes time that's what eve is and although not everyone that wants to have quick fun is a adhd 13 year kid for now it aint happening in eve-online. (battlefield bad company 2 multiplayer beta starts tomorrow im pre ordering it tonight). Its tough in eve to log in and have a lot of fun if you only have a hour or two but maybe one of the future expansions they will add in some more "stupid fun" elements to the game but you cant add too much or it just wont be eve anymore.

Expecting solo play to be the center of a game like eve is silly. Its a game based around being social and working together or at least terrorizing other people. Although I can understand the frustration sometimes your friends and corp mates aren't around. Most things in eve can be done solo to an extent its just more frustrating and time consuming. Honestly what else do you want from ccp to be able to run an entire empire by yourself or be able to take on a blob of other player working together in combat?


If you cant enjoy eve for what it is anymore take a break and if your anything like a good majority of the rest of us youll be back in 4 to 6 months to check out the next expansion (which hey you wont have to pay for and probably get a 5 day free pass to try).

On a side note fleet lag sucks ..the end!




Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2010.01.27 20:41:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Verone
The solution to your problem is as follows :

- P

+ L

= Profit.

Can't argue with that :)

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2010.01.27 22:01:00 - [44]
 

Taking a break from Eve, at least how I've noticed, is a requirement. I am currently on one such break, though I log in a couple times a day to update orders still. I've looked into other MMOs and keep going "meh" or otherwise comparing them to Eve. Right now I'm playing some single player games I've been neglecting, but I will return en force to Eve.

And yes, I've noticed a lot of older players returning to Eve, as well.

Albion Stormchaser
Posted - 2010.01.27 22:37:00 - [45]
 

I share the same feelings as the OP, I've been playing since 06, and have a 51 mil sp character, and a 40 mil industrial character.

I dont know what it is but over the last 8 months ive logged in less and less each week, accelerating since i was at fanfest last year, time was i would spend 4 hours a night and a good 16 hours over the weekend, now its at the point where i might spend 2 hours a week, as i simply log in to check on skills and switch them over or collect on the RP i've earned.

I've even got to the point where im considering selling all my assets and characters and giving the proceeds away to Eve-uni, couple of former corp mates, then sitting in a noob station just handing the rest to noobs.

Its not the corp im missing i know i could contact an old ceo and would be welcomed back, the problem is i dont have time for the whole 0.0 crap, and ive basically disconnected from eve, and if i had not payed an annual subscription i wouldnt be here.

Such is the nature of eve.

TL;DR

I know what the op is saying, and feel the sameway.

Leviathan Tank
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2010.01.27 23:23:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Also, I can understand your point, but its not hard to just move on to a new corp and get new frinds. Belive it or not, there are some pretty cool dude playing EVE. We are not all neckbeards in basements as popular myth have it :P


dude singular, thats me. and i wont be your friend :( poopoowaawaa eve sucks go pvp solo in your most expensive ship.

Perrigrene
Posted - 2010.01.28 02:36:00 - [47]
 

Good points, worst thing about MMO's is other people, best thing about MMO's other people. Eve kind of sucks as there isn't anything really connecting the universe to the players, blah blah made up things happen in this empire and that empire but it has zero affect on my gameplay or how I do things. There is no story that blends with the game, it is all just fiction outside of the game touted as things happening in game.

I'd love to see a war on concord by the pirate factions that has npc pirates attacking ships in highsec and system security ratings dropping, alliance space being invaded by sleepers, factions going to war with eachother clearing the gates and attacking players.

None of that will happen Eve is a sandbox, there is some sand, and some buckets go make something then we'll reshape the buckets, change the sand and tell you how to use the sand before we change it again.

TLDR: I'm getting bored of this game, and I'm not giving away my stuff. Mad

Get Paid
Posted - 2010.01.28 19:33:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Get Paid on 28/01/2010 19:39:29
Not sure where i mentioned eve dying. But at any rate for those of you who see more people joining, how long have you been playing? i know there was a few of you who said you've come back to the game after some time. What kind of player are you? are you the carebeary mission/industry type or are you a pirate or 0.0 warlord? or 0.0 grunt?

For me Ive been playing for around 3 years and i'm a pirate/0.0 grunt. As were the rest of my friends (in and out of corp)

Red vs Blue is ALOT of fun. I really enjoy it.

Im glad theres a few of you out there that know what i'm trying to say :)

Thanks for the all responses and debates :) I'm Always curious to see peoples points of view that i have no contact with in game :)

edit: Perrigrene - i think your idea on concord - pirate war would be amazing. I think shifting high sec systems to low sec ones and lows to highs would be absolutely amazing aswell! (would never happen though)

Spasmod
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.01.30 02:13:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Get Paid
I'm sure a lot of you out there are in an alliance/corp that might be large maybe even medium or small. I'm sure you all have a "circle" of friends with in your corp/alliance that you talk more often to and feel closer to. My circle of 15 friends in the last year has dwindled down to 3 including myself. I have also noticed an increasing amount of people writing corp/alliance mails saying they are "taking breaks" or all together quiting mainly because they are bored.

Ive talked to some friends from other corps and they are telling me THEY are also not re-subbing (because they are bored) and they have a lot of inactive people in their corps and a lot of people leaving.

I'm posting this to see if this is just me seeing this or do you also see a lot of people un-subbing accounts or just logging in to change skills and being in active? Ive decided to un sub mine as i rarely undock any more since the game i enjoyed to play 1 year ago has changed so much (in my opinion for the worst) and i'm bored. But im curious to see if the people i don't know if this game also have friends that are leaving in mass numbers as my friends have.

Thanks for any response's. Go ahead troll me for having no internet friends lol
EmbarassedEmbarassed


The solution to your problem is as follows :

- P

+ L

= Profit.




That did make me chuckle Laughing

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.01.31 21:05:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: CyberGh0st on 31/01/2010 21:05:38

Well I am in the process of updating my site and found this little thread, and couldn't resist.

First of all, I wan't to ask the OP what has changed during the last year that make you wan't to quit?
I really don't see any changes for the worse, except the lag issue introducd in Dominion and the sound issues introduced in Apocrypha.

But pure gameplay wise I'd say we had only improvements ( for me personally ).

Next, no there are not many people quitting. First of all we had a few PCU records recently ( I thought it was 56817, not 58000 tho ) and we had an increase in active paying subscriptions from 302k to 329k from December to Januari.

So perhaps your corp/alliance is the problem? :p

Finally, last official word is that multiple accounts are less than 20% of the population.

Molly Milli0ns
Posted - 2010.01.31 23:06:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Thabokka
I think the main probleme of EVE is lack of qualitative PVP.
It usually takes hours to find someone to fight with and you have no guarantee that you would spend whole evening in EVE and have a good fight.
More over fights are usually held between unequal gangs- Blobs are the key to victory/ Sad


I recently unsubbed my main (still have play time left tho) because I can't justify spending the amount of time necessary to get a fight. My decision to leave came when I was running around looking for targets and I said out loud "I hate this."

Not that it wasn't fun, I've just been there done that. A couple thousand kills, decent ranking, but it's been done. The adrenalin rush that used to accompany PvP has faded to nothing, and there's no point in spending half my day looking for a single solitary minute of predetermined outcome, even if its in my favor.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.01.31 23:13:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Molly Milli0ns
Originally by: Thabokka
I think the main probleme of EVE is lack of qualitative PVP.
It usually takes hours to find someone to fight with and you have no guarantee that you would spend whole evening in EVE and have a good fight.
More over fights are usually held between unequal gangs- Blobs are the key to victory/ Sad


I recently unsubbed my main (still have play time left tho) because I can't justify spending the amount of time necessary to get a fight. My decision to leave came when I was running around looking for targets and I said out loud "I hate this."

Not that it wasn't fun, I've just been there done that. A couple thousand kills, decent ranking, but it's been done. The adrenalin rush that used to accompany PvP has faded to nothing, and there's no point in spending half my day looking for a single solitary minute of predetermined outcome, even if its in my favor.
Thats what breaks away from eve are for though I have never been able to hit the unsub button as shiney new skills, mods and ships always await if I keep the skill queue filled and ticking away.

Duskraven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.02.01 00:15:00 - [53]
 

Play Star Trek online for about 30 minutes... that is if you can get into the game... and after that mess you will def appreciate Eve more.

Foraven
Gallente
Posted - 2010.02.01 01:17:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Get Paid
While i read through some of the posts i agree with everything everyone has said. But no one has answered my question. "have you noticed that great swathes of people are un subbing their accounts?" Or is it just coincidence im bored and am noticing an unusual amount of people writing dear john letters in corp.


I do agree with you. It's sad to be in corp with lots of inactive players, spending hours waiting for someone to log on. I often end up playing with other players that are not even part of my corp (or used to be)... I like doing ops with friends, but it's increasingly difficult for me to have a descent number of them on and in the same area of the game Evil or Very Mad.


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