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NAFnist
Caldari
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.01.31 08:43:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: NAFnist on 31/01/2010 08:53:56
Originally by: Ser'aina
All you need to do is let the minmatar slaves go free and do a public post where you surrender and announce that minmatar is the better bloodline.
Or we can just stay at the same path and have more turkey shoots


blasfemi, i will have your head for that Twisted Evil

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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2010.01.31 08:56:00 - [212]
 

My corp and me was present at nearly every operation since the start and only in few engagments most fleet was not lag out.

People had clear instructions for client optimalization and loading grid. Didnt worked. In last battle entire support fleet around 150-200 didnt loaded grid for entire duration of battle including my corp squad.

Maybe we would still loose who knows the point is hostile party would have also decent losses.

Yestrday there was a pirate incursion. 200 people in same system. Pirates lost all ships except some that warped to planet 1. They managed to kill only 2-3 ships from defense fleet. People who lost connection stayed on grid even if not in buble.

Was same situation as d-g but bad for pirates. Server is totaly screwed if it cant handle 200 people in 0.0 system.


Gixxer 1000
Caldari
Ceptacemia
Unforgiving.
Posted - 2010.01.31 09:11:00 - [213]
 

Provibloc, as you know AAA and UK can field a very substantial capital fleet with a ton of support. Just remember, they have friends that will have their capital fleets free in a few days. SYS-K can field over 300 capitals, and IT is only a few jumps away in Delve/Querious, with a massive capital and support fleet. If you want to continue to escalate this situation, I would advise you do a few calculations first.

To the grunts of the Provibloc, go to your leaders and ask them WTF! I still don't get what Provi is trying to accomplish. I think the obvious is quite obvious. Am I missing something?

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.31 09:28:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Gixxer 1000
Provibloc, as you know AAA and UK can field a very substantial capital fleet with a ton of support. Just remember, they have friends that will have their capital fleets free in a few days. SYS-K can field over 300 capitals, and IT is only a few jumps away in Delve/Querious, with a massive capital and support fleet. If you want to continue to escalate this situation, I would advise you do a few calculations first.

To the grunts of the Provibloc, go to your leaders and ask them WTF! I still don't get what Provi is trying to accomplish. I think the obvious is quite obvious. Am I missing something?


your threatening to bring the NAPtrain? you filthy blobbers have you no honor?

Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.01.31 09:45:00 - [215]
 

300 Capitals for Sys-k is pipe dream. We can't even field that size conventional fleet. I assume however gixer meant the combined capital fleet for aaa+uk+sys-k+coven+stain for what approx 250 capitals + 50 supercapitals is possible. Perhaps also approx 500 battleships and 200-300 support in addition to that if properly motivated. Should the southern axsis face odds that make this inadequate it's possible we might get also some help from IT who have rather impressive capital fleet on their own. I personally do not see at the moment IT as part of Southern Axsis but more like powerblock on it's own. Mostly bcos of their BoB roots. BoB liked to stir the pot so after they take Delve it's only matter of time until they do the standings reset. Until they do we are wading towards same goal tho and that can but does not have to mean, that in some critical battle you might add to 300 capitals from Southern Axis approx 200 caps from IT.

Dreadnaughts - they are the new battleships. Territorial alliances live and die by the number of dreads they can field.

NAFnist
Caldari
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.01.31 10:33:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Gixxer 1000
I still don't get what Provi is trying to accomplish. I think the obvious is quite obvious. Am I missing something?


i think someone is missing in your head

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.31 12:08:00 - [217]
 

Open question to -A-: So this is essentially: "There is no CVA. Goodbye", right?
You may wish to ask IT how well that sort of plan works out.

Carniflex
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.01.31 14:54:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Itzena
Open question to -A-: So this is essentially: "There is no CVA. Goodbye", right?
You may wish to ask IT how well that sort of plan works out.


Seeing as this whole thing started by Holders getting basically Goon allied by attacking -A- while it was attacking Goons in querious it is highly unlikely that IT would be interested in opposing their removal if Holders keep insisting on escalation of the conflict. If Holders think they can win this conflict then they must have helluva ace somewhere in their sleeve. Granted robes have big sleeves, but not big enough to keep capital fleet of that size. Other than IT there is no one available and able in the area to tilt the tide for them when it comes to opposing Souther Axsis. IT is impressive force well worth the respect, but I do not see currently motivation to get involved in Holders side.

Goons might still pack enough puntch to be that ace also, but that kind of Joker has some rather fatal strings attached to it for Holders as it would flush down the remaining shreds of peaceful solution. And to be honest I do not think even getting properly in bed with goons would save their arse as at that point IT would most likely get involved, and not on the Holders side.

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.31 14:57:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Itzena
Open question to -A-: So this is essentially: "There is no CVA. Goodbye", right?
You may wish to ask IT how well that sort of plan works out.


Seeing as this whole thing started by Holders getting basically Goon allied by attacking -A- while it was attacking Goons in querious it is highly unlikely that IT would be interested in opposing their removal if Holders keep insisting on escalation of the conflict. If Holders think they can win this conflict then they must have helluva ace somewhere in their sleeve. Granted robes have big sleeves, but not big enough to keep capital fleet of that size. Other than IT there is no one available and able in the area to tilt the tide for them when it comes to opposing Souther Axsis. IT is impressive force well worth the respect, but I do not see currently motivation to get involved in Holders side.

Goons might still pack enough puntch to be that ace also, but that kind of Joker has some rather fatal strings attached to it for Holders as it would flush down the remaining shreds of peaceful solution. And to be honest I do not think even getting properly in bed with goons would save their arse as at that point IT would most likely get involved, and not on the Holders side.


I bet you also think Bush orchestrated 9/11.

Evil Thug
Minmatar
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.01.31 15:13:00 - [220]
 

Back in the end of 2008, when we attacked Goonswarm, NC and Goons approached CVA with intentions of opening second front against aAa in catch. They had quite big chance to succeed back then (much better than its now) because you cant fight on 2 fronts for big amount of time, but CVA declined this proposition.

I may understand CVA wrong, but in my opinion, they are proud of their independence from all big blocks of EVE. Why would they change that now ?

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.31 15:15:00 - [221]
 

Sup Thug, how's ICC going?

Sapphrine
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.01.31 16:02:00 - [222]
 

I would suspect thug that CVA leaders would not directly. Indeed I'm sure that CVA have been approached more recently than 2008 and have declined.

But if a discussion was had with a holder by a representative of goons leadership.... and say they approached a holder such as LFA known to want to go on the offensive.... and LFA sold the plan to CVA as an optunistic gambit at a time when CVA were already looking to expand due to financial concerns....

Of course that is speculation, I have no smoking gun to prove it but I can see how it might happen. It is also amusingly characteristic of CVA leadership to be too proud to back down once they have committed, no matter how ill advised. They seem always willing to see things through to the bitter end, something that has done them well in the past but may end catastrophically this time.

I've seen it put up alot that CVA could not accept defeat at -a- hands and look credible in other people's eyes. I can't help but feel that no one would particularly see it as a bad thing to have taken the out when offered given the forces arrayed against them. U'K are certainly going to commit to the fight and as we showed in D-G we've grown alot recently and are more than willing to get out the toys to beat up Providence (230 odd pilots in fleet). If CVA want to escape from this then they need to accept that they will take a painful loss in status and credibility and that to recover from that they need to first survive now and then rebuild going forwards.

Continuing a losing war doesn't make for a good option particularly when the majority of your pilots are not full time PVPers, are not financially stable enough to sustain another week let alone another few months of this and when above all, they're not committed to this type of warfare.

Providence needs to admit the mistake and back down now, then go find another region to reclaim and regain some pride and hopefully come out of it in one piece.

Void
Caldari
Old Timers Guild
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
Posted - 2010.01.31 19:51:00 - [223]
 

I wonder what the out come would be with out stain & sys-k & atlas & AAA ..and it was just provi blob -V- UK ...that would be a fun fight ...

as it is I am not sure were provi goes from here ...

Hopefully cooler heads will have there say .....

Neena Valdi
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.01.31 20:04:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Void
I wonder what the out come would be with out stain & sys-k & atlas & AAA ..and it was just provi blob -V- UK ...that would be a fun fight ...

as it is I am not sure were provi goes from here ...

Hopefully cooler heads will have there say .....


Why would you wonder how one alliance would stand on their own vs powerbloc of 20+ alliances?

Sapphrine
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.01.31 20:04:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Void
I wonder what the out come would be with out stain & sys-k & atlas & AAA ..and it was just provi blob -V- UK ...that would be a fun fight ...

as it is I am not sure were provi goes from here ...

Hopefully cooler heads will have there say .....


So you mean if it was 11k pilots vs 1.3k pilots it would be a fun fight?

I'm not really sure what point, if any, you're getting at here but i'll assume you mean if the boot was on the other foot. In response, we did that a couple years ago and didn't find it all that much fun. That said, it was softened by the way CVA made us a nice video calling us honourable foes. I'm sure if it goes the same for CVA we'll do the same. :)

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.31 20:05:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Void
I wonder what the out come would be with out stain & sys-k & atlas & AAA ..and it was just provi blob -V- UK ...that would be a fun fight ...

as it is I am not sure were provi goes from here ...

Hopefully cooler heads will have there say .....


Why would you wonder how one alliance would stand on their own vs powerbloc of 20+ alliances?


As a member of an alliance that was just destroyed by 20+ alliances, it's pretty hard. EmbarassedEmbarassed

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.01.31 21:50:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Void
I wonder what the out come would be with out stain & sys-k & atlas & AAA ..and it was just provi blob -V- UK ...that would be a fun fight ...



well, if you're going to take a powerbloc and set it against a single alliance, you should do the same in reverse

so how about [insert single providence alliance] V ushra'khan?

yes please

of course, that wouldn't happen, because the providence holders are allies, in much the same way AAA/Sys-K/UK are allies

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.31 22:16:00 - [228]
 

You're not an ally, you're a pet.

Saihras
Gallente
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.01.31 23:19:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Itzena
You're not an ally, you're a pet.


UK make bad "pets" imo

proof:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

You know how cats can beugh

Liam Fremen
Gallente
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.02.01 00:35:00 - [230]
 


It was a Militia VS Regular Army situation, it does not matter if you have a lot of pilots on your side if they fly crap ships with horrible fittings and without any kind of experience and training.

Providence have faced fleets made up mostly of Very well fitted Sniper Battleships, flown by pilots that know how to play during laggy situations and have experience in it, the opposition was made mostly by BC's...

Laggy warfare is an art that need to be mastered, both by the fc's and the pilots, you can tell them how to perform in the lag, but until they spend hours and hours fighting in lag they will never be able to do it properly.

The same apply for FC's, the tactics that works in normal situations don't work in laggy environment, you need to change the way you organize your fleet and everything else, Laggy warfare is a different game.

Anyway, coming to the last engagement... the guy who was FC'ing the providence capitals should be pubblicaly kicked out from that group, i can't belive that your capital FC seriously belived that sending 10 dictors on the AAA capitals while jumping your dreads on the SBU's for ninjaing them while the system had 1400 people in it could ever work....

Kirzath
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.02.01 01:02:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Yestrday there was a pirate incursion. 200 people in same system. Pirates lost all ships except some that warped to planet 1. They managed to kill only 2-3 ships from defense fleet.


We actually killed a few things? .5 GANKNIGHT SUCCESS

Void
Caldari
Old Timers Guild
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
Posted - 2010.02.01 06:40:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Void
I wonder what the out come would be with out stain & sys-k & atlas & AAA ..and it was just provi blob -V- UK ...that would be a fun fight ...



well, if you're going to take a powerbloc and set it against a single alliance, you should do the same in reverse

so how about [insert single providence alliance] V ushra'khan?

yes please

of course, that wouldn't happen, because the providence holders are allies, in much the same way AAA/Sys-K/UK are allies


I dont know the whole history of the UK & CVA fude all that I do know is provi has UK roaming through provi and thats fine several of your piolts have actualy been quite fun Karn is prob my fav .
like I said before hopefully cooler heads will have there say and we can get back to chasing each other around in provi..



Czech Lion
Minmatar
Ethereal Dawn 24
Posted - 2010.02.01 06:58:00 - [233]
 


If you ever accept such surrender on such conditions, you can walk away anyway. As it is done in public eyes, there is no respect from AAA, only its a way how to show their superiority and humiliate the opponent.

Repsectfull would be talk with the leadership in private and if they refuse not to bypass them with lol public you suck statements, but to accept it and fight.

If CVA would accept this, i think they will get laughed to eternity as no space worth ever to make yourself a slave voluntarily in a internet space ship game. Now seriously, imagine you come from work, and you play a game, where you are talked like **** and forced to openly lick anyone elses boots, unles you masochists, you must puke just at the thought.

So if providence are roleplayers and have some sort of selfdignity, they will just smile and play along to the victory or bitter end.

Jones Bones
Minmatar
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.02.01 07:33:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Czech Lion

Now seriously, imagine you come from work, and you play a game, where you are talked like **** and forced to openly lick anyone elses boots, unles you masochists, you must puke just at the thought.


This man understands 0.0 pretty well tbh.

128th ABC123
Caldari
Lucky Clover Investments
Posted - 2010.02.01 08:24:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Gixxer 1000
Provibloc, as you know AAA and UK can field a very substantial capital fleet with a ton of support. Just remember, they have friends that will have their capital fleets free in a few days. SYS-K can field over 300 capitals, and IT is only a few jumps away in Delve/Querious, with a massive capital and support fleet. If you want to continue to escalate this situation, I would advise you do a few calculations first.

To the grunts of the Provibloc, go to your leaders and ask them WTF! I still don't get what Provi is trying to accomplish. I think the obvious is quite obvious. Am I missing something?


My ***** is bigger than yours.

Alekseyev Karrde
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.02.01 09:50:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Czech Lion

If you ever accept such surrender on such conditions, you can walk away anyway. As it is done in public eyes, there is no respect from AAA, only its a way how to show their superiority and humiliate the opponent.

Repsectfull would be talk with the leadership in private and if they refuse not to bypass them with lol public you suck statements, but to accept it and fight.

If CVA would accept this, i think they will get laughed to eternity as no space worth ever to make yourself a slave voluntarily in a internet space ship game. Now seriously, imagine you come from work, and you play a game, where you are talked like **** and forced to openly lick anyone elses boots, unles you masochists, you must puke just at the thought.

So if providence are roleplayers and have some sort of selfdignity, they will just smile and play along to the victory or bitter end.


Backroom deals with large alliances (Goons) are how LFA and CVA got everyone else in Providence into this mess. A little personal responsibility and transparency could go a long way into restoring the trust they broke with the rest of their residents.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.01 11:42:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 01/02/2010 11:42:42
Originally by: Czech Lion

Backroom deals with large alliances (Goons) are how LFA and CVA got everyone else in Providence into this mess. A little personal responsibility and transparency could go a long way into restoring the trust they broke with the rest of their residents.


CVA, on behalf of Goonswarm I'm sorry we trolled AAA into attacking you. Cool

[I'm not really sorry]

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.02.01 12:25:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 01/02/2010 11:42:42
Originally by: Czech Lion

Backroom deals with large alliances (Goons) are how LFA and CVA got everyone else in Providence into this mess. A little personal responsibility and transparency could go a long way into restoring the trust they broke with the rest of their residents.


CVA, on behalf of Goonswarm I'm sorry we trolled AAA into attacking you. Cool

[I'm not really sorry]


Now that you live in NPC space you have to post in C&P, sorry. (I'm not really sorry)

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.02.01 13:29:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Itzena
You're not an ally, you're a pet.


Perhaps if you became someones pet, you too could hold space Embarassed

Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.02.01 14:27:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Itzena
You're not an ally, you're a pet.


Perhaps if you became someones pet, you too could hold space Embarassed


Holding space is overrated.

(didn't want those regions anyways)


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