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Agathe Hekprofitslol
Posted - 2010.01.18 19:18:00 - [151]
 

Well, since the risk/reward of undocking in a ship is a bit much for me, I just don't leave my station and do buy/sell orders to make millions in semi-AFK profits. Miners don't have what it takes to be a Hardcore Carebear because they still want to fly their stupid pretty ships, I guess. HTFU and start up a Google Spreadsheet.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.18 22:09:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Lucas Lucias
I believe that logically this gank a tanked Hulk for 5m ISK is a major inbalance in what I call the risk/reward.... Have you even acknowledged that, nope, your blinded by your attitude to the hated carebears...

I don't see it as an imbalance.... I see it as the simple rules of the game. If you want to be safe, mine in an Apoc.... Risk/reward...

I don't 'hate' anyone in a game either... what a silly idea Laughing

Whiney people playing however, like you and the OP, are pretty silly.... You behave like a child having joined a football club as a midfielder, and then throws a temper tantrum when you find out other people can take tackle you and take the ball!

Bad players... Sore losers.... Blaming rules that were 'wrong' instead of accepting that they screwed up! Again, responsibility avoidance.
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
And finally this tears thing is well pathetic....

Ahhh, the 'pathetic' card.... Wondered when that was going to show up Cool

This is a game where you set your own goal, and by DESIGN and INTENT you're not restricted in any way from being a bad guy (it was even encouraged in some of the earlier advertisements). That players can do this is what keeps the game exciting, and is what is making it EVE.

Emotion is what drives a game and make people play it. In EVE, it is the rush of excitement when going into combat (risking your ship and the time you spent paying for it), it is the high when you kill someone else's hours of work, and the low when you lose your own...
Tears and fanmail is the direct proof that you've won the match between you and the other player, and whooped him so thoroughly he realises it... He's also a pretty sore loser...

EVE is a competitive game designed around shooting other peoples stuff, yet you complain over this. "There's something wrong with the rules..."
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
...I have no problem with people using destroyers, but it gives me a fighting chance, they may fail against a tanked Hulk....

And again with the broken record.... We've already shown you how you can mine with near total impunity, yet you still claim your right to sit still and mine optimally as long as you fit the right modules, contrary to all your claims....

Just be aligned, at speed, and pay attention! This is not at all a hard thing to do....
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
Finally your post gets to the real issue of old established players hating new players...

A Hulk owner is neither poor, nor new.... By the time you get into a T2 ship you should (your responsibility, remember) have acquired all the knowledge you need to survive in EVE's dark, cold and harsh world.... Just quoting here:
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

Now, lets mention placing words in peoples mouth:
1. I hate carebears. Why one earth should anyone hate others in a game? Silly concept... I am also carebear'ing a lot myself, btw...
2. I relish tears... Of.c.... This is a competitive game, and the teary guy is a bad loser!
3. I hate new players... See #2.. I also help out new players a lot with my carebear characters...
You, on the other hand, talk a lot of 'accepting responsibility' etc., but in the end the essence of your posts is that you just want to sit still and earn money without any effort on your part, protected by CCP against gankers.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.18 22:25:00 - [153]
 

I have to lol at all the people who responded but don't even understand how it works.

They don't come in battleships, they come 10 at a time with smartbombs in pos ships. you can be aligned all you want you aint getting away. The very shortest align time possible in a hulk is longer than the time it takes to drop a smartbomb.

There is zero risk and a huge reward for the attacker, and HUGE risk for the hulk pilot.

Savatar Mei
Posted - 2010.01.18 22:58:00 - [154]
 

Edited by: Savatar Mei on 18/01/2010 23:00:55
Originally by: Kerfira

Whiney people playing however, like you and the OP, are pretty silly.... You behave like a child having joined a football club as a midfielder, and then throws a temper tantrum when you find out other people can take tackle you and take the ball!
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nice ******ed counter arguement, btw u lost this 1.
'lost', LosT. lOst, what eva

Hera Ominae
Posted - 2010.01.18 23:05:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: oricle delphi
well ccp. hope you enjoyed hulkaggedon cos its cost you my custom.i know alot of people didnt like it either. its crap like this that drives people away from this game.

no i didnt loose a hulk etc but i did loose time. time i paid for with real life money. money i paid for my subs just to be prevented from doing something i like to do in this game. these stupid gankathons prevent people from playing the game while you (ccp) take our money and laugth at us behind our backs. well ccp hope you enjoyed it cos your not getting anymore out of me.

p.s if u want my isk and stuff i would get hacking cos its the only way ur going to get it before i delete it

Find other miners, there are tons of corporations who are mining and have big mining operations.

Best way to survive in EVE, is to fly with other people. Mining bonuses from Orcas and Rorquals are great, you don't get that in mission running or plexing!

Lucas Lucias
Posted - 2010.01.18 23:30:00 - [156]
 

Kerfira, so you think it is perfectly OK in game terms for people to attack a Hulk and use 5 battleships which costs them ISK 5m after insurance. Its an indefensible position and I am surprised at a man of your obvious intelligence refusing to acknowledge it. Is it that important for you to get kills on the cheap?

You said this:

"Most gankers are 0.0 players looking for a laugh, players who regularly lose expensive T2 ships for fun. They're not married to their ISK as many miners are, and see them as just a mean to have fun. Hulks would still get ganked, simply because the tears or fan-mail is worth much more than the ISK spent to get them!"

Is this what you think or what you think they think? But they are not using T2 ships ganking are they, and they are married to their ISK because they gank with T1 insured ships and new toons.

Mella Elcus
Posted - 2010.01.18 23:33:00 - [157]
 

The problem here is not that suicide gankers get away with a couple of million isk losses per ship.

I think that the real PROBLEM is that most of the ganked miners are sitting in untanked hulks, semi-afk, never bothering to check local and probably has never heard of the directional scanner.
They hardly ever even take a look at the overview (on any tab that matters anyway)

And on top on all that, what do you think the suicide gankers would love to receive above anything else? THIS, a emo quitting rage post.






Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.18 23:52:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 18/01/2010 23:51:45
Originally by: Cipher Jones
I have to lol at all the people who responded but don't even understand how it works.

They don't come in battleships, they come 10 at a time with smartbombs in pos ships. you can be aligned all you want you aint getting away. The very shortest align time possible in a hulk is longer than the time it takes to drop a smartbomb.

There is zero risk and a huge reward for the attacker, and HUGE risk for the hulk pilot.

I emphasised the red part since YOU don't understand how this works.... I'll walk through it in simple terms....

1. The mining boat is aligned towards a stellar object (easy to do through the right-click menu).
2. The mining boat is at speed at 75% of maximum.
3. The attackers warp in. This is visible by the miner for about 10 seconds before the attackers are able to do ANYTHING.
4. During those 10 seconds, the miner just needs to press the 'warp' button (if he was intelligent and had pre-selected his warp-out point), and he's out free!

Really, it couldn't be simpler! All it requires is a small amount of brains.....

Hsan Evets
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.19 00:08:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: necrosia demora
Originally by: Amerilia
next time fly smart, there is no need to die, you can easily avoid that Laughing

avoid it lol... mine die.. dont mine live... cant mine = quit game

that sums hulkaggedon up imo

the smart thing is to quit eve and spend my money on a game i can actually play


mine
if someone warps in -> warp out
survived!


So.. what you're saying is when mining I shouldn't be AFK or using a macro? Perposterous, I refuse to live in a world where I have to actually look at the screen!

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 00:17:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 00:19:18
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
Kerfira, so you think it is perfectly OK in game terms for people to attack a Hulk and use 5 battleships which costs them ISK 5m after insurance. Its an indefensible position and I am surprised at a man of your obvious intelligence refusing to acknowledge it. Is it that important for you to get kills on the cheap?

Why are the current rules of the game indefensible? They are the rules by which you've agreed to play....

If they change the rules I'll not cry over it... I'll simply adapt and keep doing what I want!

Also, get over you '5 BS' idiocy.... NOBODY uses 5 battleships to suicide a hulk when 5 destroyers, and certainly 5 cruisers will do the job. A battleship is even more stupid to use given the long locktime it has (ie. it gives miners more time to get away).
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
You said this:

"Most gankers are 0.0 players looking for a laugh, players who regularly lose expensive T2 ships for fun. They're not married to their ISK as many miners are, and see them as just a mean to have fun. Hulks would still get ganked, simply because the tears or fan-mail is worth much more than the ISK spent to get them!"

Is this what you think or what you think they think? But they are not using T2 ships ganking are they, and they are married to their ISK because they gank with T1 insured ships and new toons.

No, they just select the most cost-efficient way of doing things.... Not being married to your ISK is not the same as deliberately wasting them Rolling Eyes

Why on earth should anyone suicide gank in a T2 ship? That's just silly....

There's also the win/lose aspect.... If you sacrifice a T2 ship to suicide gank someone, the ganked person doesn't feel he's lost so badly and can replace his whine in local with bragging.... Clearly that is not gaining the tears or fan-mail that is the target!

The price of a Catalyst is about 650k, and a Thorax is about 5m. Figuring 5 Catalysts or 2 Thorax for a gank, that either 3m or 10m (plus a few guns and rounds of navy ammo) if you don't get insurance.

People are not doing suicide attacks on Hulks because insurance make it cheap. It'd STILL be cheap even if it wasn't for insurance. They do it because it is FUN!

Using new characters is simply a result of the security system and location. Many of the people ganking can not enter empire (in ships) because of their -10 status, or have their mains in 0.0 fighting there. It's much easier to train up an alt.
Each account gives you 3 characters... Why shouldn't people use those?

PS: I've actually never suicide ganked anyone, but fully support that the game has the option Cool
EVE is, and should be, a brutal Darwinian world! To repeat Wrangler (this quote has been my signature for years!):
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.


Barakkus
Posted - 2010.01.19 00:19:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: oricle delphi
well ccp. hope you enjoyed hulkaggedon cos its cost you my custom.i know alot of people didnt like it either. its crap like this that drives people away from this game.

no i didnt loose a hulk etc but i did loose time. time i paid for with real life money. money i paid for my subs just to be prevented from doing something i like to do in this game. these stupid gankathons prevent people from playing the game while you (ccp) take our money and laugth at us behind our backs. well ccp hope you enjoyed it cos your not getting anymore out of me.

p.s if u want my isk and stuff i would get hacking cos its the only way ur going to get it before i delete it


Try tightening up your time...

btw, how loose is a loose hulk? Do the armor plates move better when warping after you loosen some bolts and such? Have you ever had parts fly off b/c of loose screws? I know us Minmatar are taught at birth how to make sure everything is securely duct taped together. Perhaps you could take a few lessons on how to run a tighter ship.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2010.01.19 00:23:00 - [162]
 

Right on Kefira.

Watch all the 'nerf ganking' whiners completely ignore your foolproof advice.

Staying aligned at 75% speed means you escape a suicide gank 100% of the time.

The only catch? You have to be at the keyboard to tell your 200M Exhumer to warp.

But NOOOO, miner's can't be bothered with that - they want to get their ISK while AFK, if not outright macroing.


Vheri Kai'or
Posted - 2010.01.19 00:37:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile

By being aligned you mean I have my spacepixelship pointed towards an celestial object, be it a moon, planet, stargate other belt station, right?

You do know, I hope, that if you do this 'align to' you are moving towards the object you selected to align to?
When you are mining, I know it's dull, brain damaging dull, CCP's most neglected f-up part of EVE, but someone has to do this, last thing you want is half way the cycle of your mining lasers to get out of range, because you are aligned and moving away from your rocks.

What you probably mean is being passive aligned, have your ships nose pointed into the direction you want to warp to in case of any trouble.
Sadly enough it doesn't matter. Even if the tip of my spacepixelship's nose is 180 degrees pointing into the opposite direction of where I want to jump in case of an emergency, it takes as much time to get into warp as when it's not.

You cannot be aligned when you are mining. You are a sitting duck. You can't move or you lose your contact with the roid(s) you want to strip.

The only thing people can do to lower their misfortune if gankers are around to get random mining barges is, don't mine in a crowded system, so they cannot see local spike.
Don't afk mine, which is really horrible since its an utter pain to mine anyway. You've got to do something else or you'll go insane. If there would be a reason for not to mine afk, then most mining peeps, might have thought, 'maybe I need to get the f-ck out of here' when those obvious non mining ships entered their belt.

(my) Conclusion; Mining is beyond boring and encourages afk behavior and if you are in a mining barge, you are a sitting duck, not a thing you can do against suicide attempts except for not mining at all.





ive bolded the bit where you fail semantics forever, being the nice chap that i am.

you see, there is a slight yet important difference between "being aligned" and "aligning" which you seem to have missed. "being " aligned is a past tense statement regarding a completed action, wherein you have pointed your ship at a celestial object; at this point you can stop like a sensible person, or be a whiny carebear and keep moving to fail at proving a point on a forum; its up to you.

the "aligning" part is a process which you are part way through which is the primary bit your failing at here, because your mistaking "aligning" for "being aligned"

and before you compound your failure, "passive align" is the process by which you align your ship without moving in the direction you align, and is =/= to "being aligned", which is the state your ship is in once you have finished the process of aligning.

basic knowledge of tenses in english ftw Rolling Eyes

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2010.01.19 05:23:00 - [164]
 

It's pointless to argue game details with a gankBunny.

Suicide gankers *have* to be in denial. They are carebears taking advantage of an irrational game feature that encourages free, zero-risk ganking. The only way they pretend they are PvPers is if it's the miner's fault /lol.

Talking to them is pointless - they don't want to listen, and they won't.

It's a shame there's no miners and missioners association. With a bit of organization, everyone could switch to missioning for a few months, accept only high-bounty missions, and never sell the trash drops or minerals recovered from them.

A few weeks into this, as the gankBunnies start alt-mining themselves, start alternating missions and suicide ganking to remove the competition.

Lucas Lucias
Posted - 2010.01.19 07:04:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: Lucas Lucias on 19/01/2010 07:07:17
So if these are the rules you play by you will not be calling to remove High Sec then. In terms of the 5 BS this was an actual event, you see someone took the advice of the Gankers to heart that they should tank their Mackinaw and therefore tanked an attack by three destroyers and a smart bombing battleship and then 5 battleships rolled up and destroyed his Hulk, because they could, no issues on that, but the value impact was minimal. After my last post we had another idiot saying that it is the miners fault for not tanking. The maths are pretty basic in terms of risk and the people who ganked that Mac said on the thread that it cost them 5m ISK as compared to 1m ISK for a single BS.

In terms of ganking with T2 ships you told me that they used T2 ships for fun, but then you tell me they are not, make up your mind. In terms of ganking because they can, yeah so what, the reason I am focussing on the insurance part is that the cost aspect of this ganking makes it a minimal loss and that needs to change, so my example of a 5 BS attack is done to show the ridiculous level of loss that makes intelligent play and risk loss assessment void.

I do not have any problems with Eve being a dark and dangerous place, however I want to see actions have ramifications that mean something and are taken into consideration when carrying out actions, in my view something needs to change in terms of insurance for gankers.

Elena, I think you are right and at this point I will stop posting on this subject.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 08:29:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 08:45:15
Originally by: Elena Laskova
It's pointless to argue game details with a gankBunny.

Suicide gankers *have* to be in denial. They are carebears taking advantage of an irrational game feature that encourages free, zero-risk ganking. The only way they pretend they are PvPers is if it's the miner's fault /lol.

Talking to them is pointless - they don't want to listen, and they won't.

Who's in denial? The guys who complain endlessly about the rules of the game they've chosen to play? Or the guys who play the game as designed and intended?

"It's pointless to argue game details with a minerBunny. Talking to them is pointless - they don't want to listen, and they won't."....

Shiratori Ryuuji
Posted - 2010.01.19 08:34:00 - [167]
 

i just love how supporters of this effort so much to point out that its by DESIGN and INTENT and all that **** so ccp can say "oh well its true..." also the alts saying "hurr derp durr, i reactivated over 9000 accounts just to participate on this" and then the whole buddy invite to yourself to make ganking alts for free and some other alt saying "derp derp game are growing i seen 58k persons X day" while a good part are trials and the other are the guys using the buddy invite deal+plex to get another gank alt...

not to mention that herr dude saying all the crap bout economics and ****, and all the hive mind going on, and not noticing that the only ppl winning sumthing from this is prolly the guys laughing at the fact that in the end all the minerals they got will be worth more because all the internet badboys and their srsbiz pixelspaceships are plundering their competition...

well done guys, as soon as trit prices go back to 4-5isk per unit ull see a massive flow of it to the market undercutting everyone else and prolly feeding the mains of the ppl supporting this despite the obvious risk vs reward factor

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 08:40:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 08:56:32
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
So if these are the rules you play by you will not be calling to remove High Sec then.

Why should I? I don't really much care about WHAT the rules are, I just play by them.... If they remove high-sec, I'll just adapt...
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
In terms of the 5 BS this was an actual event, you see someone took the advice of the Gankers to heart that they should tank their Mackinaw and therefore tanked an attack by three destroyers and a smart bombing battleship and then 5 battleships rolled up and destroyed his Hulk, because they could, no issues on that, but the value impact was minimal. After my last post we had another idiot saying that it is the miners fault for not tanking.

And they'd have completely failed if that miner had stayed aligned and alert!

Maybe 'nobody' was the wrong term to use, but it probably only happened this once. My guess is that either this guy had some seriously expensive gear, or he was smack-talking in local. Most gankers would just have moved on to an easier target.
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
In terms of ganking with T2 ships you told me that they used T2 ships for fun, but then you tell me they are not, make up your mind.

Did you miss the part where I said you didn't get fan-mail or tears if you used T2 ships? Those are serious parts of the fun!
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
I do not have any problems with Eve being a dark and dangerous place, however I want to see actions have ramifications that mean something and are taken into consideration when carrying out actions, in my view something needs to change in terms of insurance for gankers.

And as already shown, that'll not make much difference as the cost is negligible anyway....
The gankers are already punished by 15 minutes of cool-down time where they can't play, and a pretty harsh security penalty which will have to be earned back.

You might not have a problem with EVE being dark and dangerous.... except when it is that to YOU.....
All your arguments point in that direction....
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
Elena, I think you are right and at this point I will stop posting on this subject.

So you're in denial too? Or just accepting that you've lost?

We've shown you a 99% (or more) sure and PROVEN way of not getting ganked! And still you whine on!
The only reason there can really be for that is you wanting to earn money AFK..... All your fancy excuses and explanations fall pretty flat when you don't want to use the simple and sure solution that only requires you to pay a little attention...

YARRRR!!

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.01.19 08:59:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Vheri Kai'or


basic knowledge of tenses in english ftw Rolling Eyes


Welp. Sad The sicrid language pullies is on ma tail, I fail.
Time to go back to wiw i guez Crying or Very sad

Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.19 10:00:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Danks
Seems Hulkaggedon was some much needed chlorine in the gene pool of the eve community.



This.

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.01.19 10:14:00 - [171]
 

I love it when Kerfira argues with the carebears, because Kerfira is really a carebear himself (and proud of it iirc) so it is very amusing.

Originally by: Lucas Lucias
I do not have any problems with Eve being a dark and dangerous place, however I want to see actions have ramifications that mean something and are taken into consideration when carrying out actions, in my view something needs to change in terms of insurance for gankers.


This again. There are plenty of ramifications for the suicide ganker.

-How about having a GCC for 15 minutes, one that is often bugged and sometimes prevents you from playing for the rest of the day.
-How about losing your ship 100% of the time
-How about the fact that you don't know how your enemy is fit so you don't know if you can win so you can die without causing any damage at all (I see failed ganks all the time)
-How about the fact that you cannot loot your stuff first and is usually lost by the other miners/scavengers around (unless you are really dumb and let strange haulers park up next to you for no reason)
-How about the fact that your security status takes a *severe* hit, preventing you from flying around in high sec space without NPCs after you
-How about the fact that your enemy will get kill rights on you

There are plenty of real ramifications for the suicide ganker. If there where none, like your foolishly think, there would be no miners at all because people would suicide them 23/7. If suicide ganking is so fun and there isn't any consequences involved then why aren't there tons of people doing it 23/7?

Changing insurance will not have any ramifications on suicide ganking. Gankers will merely have to switch to masses of t1 cruisers/destroyers in packs instead of solo BC/BS ships. Furthermore, taking out insurance from ships only involved in CONCORD actions makes no sense because CONCORD does not give out payments and all ships in EVE are used for warfare or some type. Either all ships get insurance, or none of them do, singling out only a certain type of ship is ludicrous and smacks of a whiny carebear wanting his way and everyone else nerfed. HTFU.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 10:45:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 10:47:02
Originally by: Vaal Erit
I love it when Kerfira argues with the carebears, because Kerfira is really a carebear himself (and proud of it iirc) so it is very amusing.

Very Happy

I'm actually both a carebear and PvP'er, and pretty satisfied with my performance in both careers.... Two of my accounts are carebears (one mission runner and one industrial), and two are 0.0 PvP'ers. I've actually never suicide ganked anyone, though I have can-baited and killed a couple.

I understand and support both types of players, but find whiners very silly. If you choose to play a game, you also choose to play under the rules of that game, and the rules of EVE is designed to be harsh!
Whining afterwards whenever some small thing isn't entirely in your favour is pretty pathetic tbh., especially these transparent arguments from a small percentage of miners who, no matter how they phrase their arguments, just want to AFK mine without any danger.

YARRRR!!ugh

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.01.19 11:44:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: CyberGh0st on 19/01/2010 11:47:03
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 18/01/2010 12:29:46
Originally by: Lucas Lucias
So you have to do all three strategies perfectly to get out, scan local, very difficult to do in high sec with lots of movement, scan and align, has a big impact on mining, what about having to be next to an Orca for example.
So suddenly, mining isn't such a mindnumbing AFK activity all of a sudden that sounds like a good thing. As for being next to an Orca, the Orca itself makes it so you don't need to, and even if you did, there are automation built into the game to make that happen.

And again: the reason you choose to do it that way is to get at the higher rewards. You can also choose to do it the safe way.
Quote:
Helicity said insurance was an issue.
It's only an issue because miners keep pumping minerals in at way below their value.


It was an issue long before the prices dropped so low, CCP already acknowledged the problem in 2008, and we all know CCP is not fast with acknowledging things. And what about people that don't mine?

You seem to be looking it from your side only. High Security should be High Security imho, and no, I don't fly much in High Sec space myself.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2010.01.19 13:14:00 - [174]
 

Hell, I'm guilty of the same things.

I earn ISK through trade/mining. Still do. Got ganked, and plenty. I've lost multiple freighters to suicide ganking in Uedama. (no Hulks, interestingly)

But I didn't whine about it on the forums. (OMG, NERF GANKING, BOOST CONCORD!)

Instead, I learned how to gank myself, and use it for fun and occasionally income.

As a ganker, I know how it works, what to look for - and can, thus, protect my mining and hauling assets.

Today, I use suicide ganking as a tool to pressure hi-sec industrial/market competitors - as wardecs are hopelessly broken for this purpose (due to industrial/strategic assets dropping to NPC corp, instantly after war is declared...)

Others should start doing the same - it would make for a much more interesting game.


Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 13:33:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 13:49:27
Originally by: CyberGh0st
High Security should be High Security imho

High Security IS high security! A few very simple and PROVEN precautions (described numerous times in this thread), and you're as close to 100% safe as possible!
If you made it even safer, it would be 'Total Security', which I don't think is what CCP wants....

As it is today, only macro, dumb or lazy miners gets ganked.... Why should these players be protected?
They have all the means they need to avoid being ganked, and choose not to use them!

The main argument of the whiners, which they of.c. don't state publicly, is: "Wah! Wah! We want to mine and earn money AFK in complete security!"
Instead they ignore the easy precautions we advise, and continue sprouting their "It is impossible to avoid getting ganked when flying a Hulk!" lies....

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.19 13:35:00 - [176]
 

Quote:
We've shown you a 99% (or more) sure and PROVEN way of not getting ganked! And still you whine on!


Ill take your challenge. you get in a hulk and ill get 10 people in frigs to suicide gank you. If you don't die you're right.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 13:45:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 13:49:03
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
We've shown you a 99% (or more) sure and PROVEN way of not getting ganked! And still you whine on!


Ill take your challenge. you get in a hulk and ill get 10 people in frigs to suicide gank you. If you don't die you're right.

Done! I'll be in my Hulk this evening!
I'll mine for 3 hours, probably from GMT 1900-2200 or so....

Of.c. it'll not be on this character, nor in a busy system, nor in a 'roid field, but that challenge is up to you Cool

I'll apply these precautions (from another post):
- Don't warp to zero and start mining, move to somewhere 50 km off
- Keep aligned to a celestial or station.
- Rig your ship for something other than cargo (agility rigs).
- Do your mining in a low pop hisec island.
- Mine in a mission.
- Mine in a graviometric site.

Plus two of my own....
- Do not draw attention to yourself....
- Keep an eye on local chat

Actually I'll probably not even keep aligned... The others suffice plenty!

PS: There's a difference between a targeted assassination and a gank.....

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.19 14:00:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 13:49:03
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
We've shown you a 99% (or more) sure and PROVEN way of not getting ganked! And still you whine on!


Ill take your challenge. you get in a hulk and ill get 10 people in frigs to suicide gank you. If you don't die you're right.

Done! I'll be in my Hulk this evening!
I'll mine for 3 hours, probably from GMT 1900-2200 or so....

Of.c. it'll not be on this character, nor in a busy system, nor in a 'roid field, but that challenge is up to you Cool

I'll apply these precautions (from another post):
- Don't warp to zero and start mining, move to somewhere 50 km off
- Keep aligned to a celestial or station.
- Rig your ship for something other than cargo (agility rigs).
- Do your mining in a low pop hisec island.
- Mine in a mission.
- Mine in a graviometric site.

Plus two of my own....
- Do not draw attention to yourself....
- Keep an eye on local chat

Actually I'll probably not even keep aligned... The others suffice plenty!

PS: There's a difference between a targeted assassination and a gank.....


Right but theres no difference in the mechanic used to attain it, so to CCP there is no difference.

Captain Megadeath
Posted - 2010.01.19 14:07:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Right on Kefira.

Watch all the 'nerf ganking' whiners completely ignore your foolproof advice.

Staying aligned at 75% speed means you escape a suicide gank 100% of the time.

The only catch? You have to be at the keyboard to tell your 200M Exhumer to warp.

But NOOOO, SOME miner's can't be bothered with that - they want to get their ISK while AFK, if not outright macroing.




Fixed that for you.

Some miners work while at the keyboard, fully aware of their surroundings. These miners were NOT affected by Hulkageddon II. "Some" were laughing their ass off in their hulks while mining in Outuni as Major PewPew et al were ganking the ice macros. YARRRR!!Laughing

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.01.19 14:20:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/01/2010 14:28:10
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Kerfira
My post

Right but theres no difference in the mechanic used to attain it, so to CCP there is no difference.

In that case, I expect to have my Hulk ganked by you this evening. Good hunting Twisted Evil

Otherwise, my application of the easy precautions successfully protected me, thus proving you and all the other whiners wrong!

It is not disputed that by applying dedicated effort against a single, known target, you can suicide gank them eventually. What we say is that by applying a few simple precautions, Hulk pilots can be practically 100% safe.


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