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Madla Mafia
Posted - 2010.01.15 17:31:00 - [1]
 

Here's the scenario, I'm involved in a lot of high sec/empire wars. You know the drill, station hugging, gate camping, ganks, etc...

I'm planning on getting myself a slave implant set and have a hard time deciding which ships I wanna try it out with first.

So, if you had/have slave implants and are involved in high sec/empire wars, what ship(s) would you use to get most out of your implants? Heavy armor tanked battleships are an obvious one, what else?

raukosen
Posted - 2010.01.15 17:42:00 - [2]
 

T3 cruisers can get some ridiculous buffers with slaves, but basically it comes down to if you want to fit more damage mods while still having enough buffer or if you want to fit a ridiculous 250k+ buffer. Depends on the situation

Madla Mafia
Posted - 2010.01.15 17:46:00 - [3]
 

Let's go for buffers. The DPS isn't usually lacking.

Slade Hoo
Amarr
Retired Gunslingers
Posted - 2010.01.15 17:53:00 - [4]
 

Abaddon

Cmd BenJames
Gallente
Power Seed Enterprises
Posted - 2010.01.15 18:14:00 - [5]
 

Try a damnation those things can get a massive buffer with slaves

King Dave
Raven Dynamics
Posted - 2010.01.15 18:20:00 - [6]
 

Armageddons, megathrons, bhaalgorns are the ships I think benefit most from slave sets personally..

They can get a huge buffer tank and at the same time a ridiculous amount of dps...

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2010.01.15 18:27:00 - [7]
 

abaddon, navy geddon, navy mega, navy typhoon, proteus, absolution, damnation. Ships that usually have huge HP buffers

Varg Tepes
Caldari
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.15 19:37:00 - [8]
 

How much would one be expected to pay for a full slave-set? (aprox ofc)

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.01.15 19:54:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Varg Tepes
How much would one be expected to pay for a full slave-set? (aprox ofc)


1.6-1.8bil last I checked

Elizabeth vonStrauss
Posted - 2010.01.16 13:24:00 - [10]
 

try this with slaves:

[Abaddon, mix tank]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Damage Control II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier
Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Garde II x3

310k EHP, 63k of armor, 353 dps tank, 714dps with drones.

Now..add into equation mindlinked pilot in damnation:
401k EHP, 73k of armor, 533dps tank..

good station hugging ship i say..

Ap0ll0n
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.16 16:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Elizabeth vonStrauss
try this with slaves:

[Abaddon, mix tank]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Damage Control II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier
Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Garde II x3

310k EHP, 63k of armor, 353 dps tank, 714dps with drones.

Now..add into equation mindlinked pilot in damnation:
401k EHP, 73k of armor, 533dps tank..

good station hugging ship i say..



Drop the armor rep for a energized regenerative plating. 350 dps tank won´t help you..

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.01.16 16:48:00 - [12]
 

Yeah it will. Hybrid plate/rep setups work because the rep gets a whole lot more high-resist buffer to work with. 15% more armor hp isn't as important as having a repper running while you're being shot at.

lil j0n
Posted - 2010.01.16 18:02:00 - [13]
 

Slaved/Trimarked/Mindlink Damnation supported harb (or cane) is pretty sweet. It's got 117-136k EHP, depending on fit. BCs are my favorite ships to fly for general use, because they get fights where BSes do not, and with slaves and damnation they are superior in most respects to the average unslaved/undamnationed BS you'll be fighting.

Jesslyn Daggererux
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.01.16 21:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah it will. Hybrid plate/rep setups work because the rep gets a whole lot more high-resist buffer to work with. 15% more armor hp isn't as important as having a repper running while you're being shot at.

this. if you have a big enough buffer, and not a ton of incomming dps, youll get alot of milage out of a single rep huge buffer. i probobly wouldnt use faction, but thats me. because of the faction though, it makes it all the more viable if you ignore the price tag.

active tanks dont HAVE to have dual reps to be effective. plus, the dual reps are very very vulnerable to neuts. neuts are very common now. being neuted sucks.

to the op, me and mates fly some nice armor buffers right now. legion, fleet phoon, megas, domis, abaddons. if its for highsec wars, and your not a moron, your pod shouldnt be caught.

Bibbleibble
Posted - 2010.01.16 22:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah it will. Hybrid plate/rep setups work because the rep gets a whole lot more high-resist buffer to work with. 15% more armor hp isn't as important as having a repper running while you're being shot at.


This.

If you rep more than 15% of the incoming DPS, then the rep is worthwhile, along with making you pretty much immune to smaller ships, and saving you a fair bit of money in the long run (as you can rep up between fights).

LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
Posted - 2010.01.17 16:18:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah it will. Hybrid plate/rep setups work because the rep gets a whole lot more high-resist buffer to work with. 15% more armor hp isn't as important as having a repper running while you're being shot at.


this tbh..

if looking at damnation boosted 530dps tank that quite big tank..it can negate a whole cruiser and a half of dps..maybe even good fitted BC..

Madla Mafia
Posted - 2010.01.18 15:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Bibbleibble

If you rep more than 15% of the incoming DPS, then the rep is worthwhile.


Where did this number come from?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.01.18 16:05:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Madla Mafia
Originally by: Bibbleibble

If you rep more than 15% of the incoming DPS, then the rep is worthwhile.


Where did this number come from?


I could tell you, but the forum filter would stop me.

NoNah
Posted - 2010.01.18 16:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Madla Mafia
Originally by: Bibbleibble

If you rep more than 15% of the incoming DPS, then the rep is worthwhile.


Where did this number come from?


Regenerative platings add 15% armor hp. It's not entirely correct, as one's a negative and the other's positive(same as + damage or - duration of guns) it should be closer to 13% but...

Still, it holds only a fraction of the truth, as you'd be using another EANM rather than a regenerative membrane, which helps your RR and such out. On the other hand if it's a long fight with reinforcements but low dps at any given time, a rep will help out heaps. It'll all come down to what kind of engagement it is, which you can generally determine somewhat in advance.

Madla Mafia
Posted - 2010.01.18 17:37:00 - [20]
 

I see. As with all things in Eve, "it depends..."

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.01.19 08:38:00 - [21]
 

How about something like this?

[Punisher, Buffer]
'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Domination 1MN Afterburner

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II

...What? Full set of slaves and a ZET5000 in the 10th slot, it gets 25.8k EHP!

Embarassed I kid, I kid.

Calydonian Boar
Posted - 2010.01.19 09:54:00 - [22]
 

I would get a navy mega, stick a 3rd plate in... or definitely abaddon for omgftwpwner tank :)

Belle Tristesse
Posted - 2010.01.19 09:55:00 - [23]
 

Like some advise on this subject myself. Got my first set of LG slaves not too long ago but not really got a great ship for them yet. Will be having a go at scouted low sec work. Thinking bout a mixed tank Hype. Or would I be better with a buffered Phoon/Mega?

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2010.01.19 11:05:00 - [24]
 

Abaddon or Navy geddon won't disappoint. Confirming the 400k EHP 700 dps abaddon makes people rip their hair out and scream "wtf?!"

Morel Nova
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.01.19 11:10:00 - [25]
 

1600 plate rupture is pretty cool with slaves.

Das Governator
The Republican Party
Posted - 2010.01.19 11:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Andrea Griffin
How about something like this?

[Punisher, Buffer]
'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Domination 1MN Afterburner

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II

...What? Full set of slaves and a ZET5000 in the 10th slot, it gets 25.8k EHP!

Embarassed I kid, I kid.


The Republican Party endorses this setup.

Will get you more fights than any previously mentioned one.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.01.19 11:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Yeah it will. Hybrid plate/rep setups work because the rep gets a whole lot more high-resist buffer to work with. 15% more armor hp isn't as important as having a repper running while you're being shot at.


Got it in one.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2010.01.19 11:22:00 - [28]
 

Slaved harbi is nice too, generally all ships that usually fit plate greatly benefit from slave implants /armor hardwirings.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2010.01.19 12:42:00 - [29]
 

So what type of fights are long with low dps, where you don't have any RR support?

Maybe the rep is for gateguns? I.e. lowsec pirates camping gates?

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.01.19 16:28:00 - [30]
 

The hybrid setups work best for smaller fights.

Big fights with lots of ships with focused fire, kill their primary faster which wont give the rep enough time to 'work its magic' and in those situations an extra plate is better.

Considering you wont know what type of fight you will have till its over, people will generally go for the full plate setup because they are lazy or their fights tend to be very random from solo to large fleet.


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