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mothyowns
The Kairos Syndicate
Posted - 2010.01.15 03:00:00 - [1]
 

Quick question:
Has anyone else petitioned a mission objective being stolen by a ninja, and if so what response did you get?
No tears here, sorry Razz

Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
Posted - 2010.01.15 03:20:00 - [2]
 

The person who stole it has to offer a ransom for it. How much doesn't matter a ransom just has to be offered and I think if you do it to 1 person too much it may be griefing.

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.01.15 05:10:00 - [3]
 

Petitioning takes to long, just quit the mission and go on to the next mission. You'll make up the standing loss in the next mission or two. Never ever pay a ninja for a mission item because that just makes stealing mission items have value encouraging more theft.

ThaDollaGenerale
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.15 05:47:00 - [4]
 

I applaud this bear for his total lack of tears and reasoned question on C & P. If I had stolen the item from you, I would have given back after reading this.

Calydonian Boar
Posted - 2010.01.15 08:21:00 - [5]
 

Some people say petitioning works and you get it back. Response time is quite good usually. I got stucked with missions for a couple of times, they responded within 5-30 minutes, which is OK and not worth losing sec. What you can do is fit a warp disp go back to mission convo the guy and tell him you will shoot him if he comes back, he will be jumping hoops thinking he will get a missioner kill after you agro, when he arrives kill him and immediately warp and dock for 15 minutes :) that's how you can waste some time while waiting for petition response :)

lucifers widow
United Front Alliance renting corp
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Calydonian Boar
What you can do is fit a warp disp go back to mission convo the guy and tell him you will shoot him if he comes back, he will be jumping hoops thinking he will get a missioner kill after you agro, when he arrives kill him and immediately warp and dock for 15 minutes :) that's how you can waste some time while waiting for petition response :)


Or just shoot a random person undocking from station, this will save you and concord the wasted time warping back to the mission site.

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:15:00 - [7]
 

First, an aside: I was a miner when I first started playing Eve, and mothyowns was my first canflipper and combat experience. At first I was ticked off, but then I started to see the appeal of the dark side. In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

I steal mission items all the time. Supposedly GMs should not restore the item if they know the item vanished through legal theft instead of a bugged mission or carebear mistake. However, either because they take pity on the carebear or because they just can't be troubled to look into it, they will sometimes restore items such as Damsels and Ship's Crews. By doing so they are essentially giving away what is usually a 20 million+ ISK item, but for whatever reason, they do it.

My advice to mothyowns, my hero and inspiration, is to HTFU and buy the item off the contracts like CCP intended it, instead of running to a GM because you didn't bother to loot before one of us got to your mission.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:18:00 - [8]
 

Happened to me. First I raged, cried and broke my keyboard. Then I tried to convo the ninja but he had blocked me in advance. Then I did some research, found out who the ninja's GM was, convo'd him and asked him to tell the guy I was willing to pay for the drop if he still had it. After an hour or so, when he was back online, he convo'd me to tell me he had contracted it to me. For way too much though, so I negotiated and finally got it for less. All in a good, merry spirit. It was a storyline mission by the way, if I recall correctly.

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: lucifers widow
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
What you can do is fit a warp disp go back to mission convo the guy and tell him you will shoot him if he comes back, he will be jumping hoops thinking he will get a missioner kill after you agro, when he arrives kill him and immediately warp and dock for 15 minutes :) that's how you can waste some time while waiting for petition response :)


Or just shoot a random person undocking from station, this will save you and concord the wasted time warping back to the mission site.


This. Most mission items spawn in a special can that has no ownership flag. A ninja can take a Damsel or Ship's Crew without flagging for aggro. I didn't know this for a very long time because I've usually looted something else by the time I get to the mission item.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Paul Clavet
In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

Nice tears Paul.

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:49:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Paul Clavet
In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

Nice tears Paul.


Well played!

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.01.15 09:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Paul Clavet
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Paul Clavet
In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

Nice tears Paul.


Well played!



Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
Posted - 2010.01.15 13:28:00 - [13]
 

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Samantha Krill
Posted - 2010.01.15 15:52:00 - [14]
 

all your objectives are belong to me?

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.01.15 16:47:00 - [15]
 

I send in a petition before the MR can, stating what I took, who I took it from, and that I have ransomed them for it.

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.01.15 19:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Paul Clavet
First, an aside: I was a miner when I first started playing Eve, and mothyowns was my first canflipper and combat experience. At first I was ticked off, but then I started to see the appeal of the dark side. In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

I steal mission items all the time. Supposedly GMs should not restore the item if they know the item vanished through legal theft instead of a bugged mission or carebear mistake. However, either because they take pity on the carebear or because they just can't be troubled to look into it, they will sometimes restore items such as Damsels and Ship's Crews. By doing so they are essentially giving away what is usually a 20 million+ ISK item, but for whatever reason, they do it.

My advice to mothyowns, my hero and inspiration, is to HTFU and buy the item off the contracts like CCP intended it, instead of running to a GM because you didn't bother to loot before one of us got to your mission.


And they say it takes brains to play this game. Anyone paying 20mil for a mission obj is a total moron. Take the mission I'm on right now (Intercept The Saboteurs) if a ninja get the obj (good luck due to my salvaging alt waiting to grab it the second it drops) and I get everything else in the mission, loot, salvage, bounties the mission obj has a value of 1,961,900 including the sale price for the LP. I don't know about you but I'm not going to pay 10 an times an items value for anything in this game.

Dani SP
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:05:00 - [17]
 

I rarely get mission thieves. Have you ever tried to do missions outside Motsu? Rolling Eyes

Theres a nice agent in Ichoriya. Its L4Q18. C'mon its basically the same as L4Q19 and you avoid the ninjas. Oh, well, now ninjas will try Ichoriya because I spotted it lol.

moving to L4Q17 Cool

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:34:00 - [18]
 

Ichoriya is a really bad place for ninjas because most of the pilots run a salvaging alt leaving very few wrecks around at any point in time, stop killing the second a ninja warps in and blows up any wrecks they go after. If the ninja tries to wait the guy out he is just greifing himself because most of the pilots I know there are happy to keep the ninja idle and unable to bother anyone else wile they watch youtube and laugh at him. I need to go back there soon because I'm down to 10k caldari paradise cruse missiles. I'm off trying to build all my empire standing up a bit just for the hell of it and checking out some of the different LP stores.

slipperywhenhappy
Posted - 2010.01.16 09:16:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: slipperywhenhappy on 16/01/2010 09:18:12
My self I don't mind mission nija's I have popped about 12-14 on them on my mission toon much to there shock I think when a battle ship scams the said runner lol teck2 drones followed by missiles and a lovely pop lol tractor in item and dock for the 15 mins go back to location and finish on the bounty prizes free kill as he most of the time is waiting for you in his pvp boat wanting the kill that is when you mock them and try to get there ship concorded have only suckerd on guy in after about 2 hours of taunting ^.^ not sure why he did not block me but

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.01.16 12:57:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Awesome Possum on 16/01/2010 15:58:10
Originally by: Shawshanke
Originally by: Paul Clavet
First, an aside: I was a miner when I first started playing Eve, and mothyowns was my first canflipper and combat experience. At first I was ticked off, but then I started to see the appeal of the dark side. In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

I steal mission items all the time. Supposedly GMs should not restore the item if they know the item vanished through legal theft instead of a bugged mission or carebear mistake. However, either because they take pity on the carebear or because they just can't be troubled to look into it, they will sometimes restore items such as Damsels and Ship's Crews. By doing so they are essentially giving away what is usually a 20 million+ ISK item, but for whatever reason, they do it.

My advice to mothyowns, my hero and inspiration, is to HTFU and buy the item off the contracts like CCP intended it, instead of running to a GM because you didn't bother to loot before one of us got to your mission.


And they say it takes brains to play this game. Anyone paying 20mil for a mission obj is a total moron. Take the mission I'm on right now (Intercept The Saboteurs) if a ninja get the obj (good luck due to my salvaging alt waiting to grab it the second it drops) and I get everything else in the mission, loot, salvage, bounties the mission obj has a value of 1,961,900 including the sale price for the LP. I don't know about you but I'm not going to pay 10 an times an items value for anything in this game.


So since you can't complete the mission, you just drop it.. losing a bit of standing.

And then you lose another mission objective.. and just drop the mission, losing more standing.

If someone decided their isk was more important than their standings*, I would make it my business to steal every mission objective of theirs I could until they lost the ability to run that agent.

Thelma Todd
Posted - 2010.01.16 15:49:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Shawshanke
Originally by: Paul Clavet
First, an aside: I was a miner when I first started playing Eve, and mothyowns was my first canflipper and combat experience. At first I was ticked off, but then I started to see the appeal of the dark side. In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

I steal mission items all the time. Supposedly GMs should not restore the item if they know the item vanished through legal theft instead of a bugged mission or carebear mistake. However, either because they take pity on the carebear or because they just can't be troubled to look into it, they will sometimes restore items such as Damsels and Ship's Crews. By doing so they are essentially giving away what is usually a 20 million+ ISK item, but for whatever reason, they do it.

My advice to mothyowns, my hero and inspiration, is to HTFU and buy the item off the contracts like CCP intended it, instead of running to a GM because you didn't bother to loot before one of us got to your mission.


And they say it takes brains to play this game. Anyone paying 20mil for a mission obj is a total moron. Take the mission I'm on right now (Intercept The Saboteurs) if a ninja get the obj (good luck due to my salvaging alt waiting to grab it the second it drops) and I get everything else in the mission, loot, salvage, bounties the mission obj has a value of 1,961,900 including the sale price for the LP. I don't know about you but I'm not going to pay 10 an times an items value for anything in this game.


So since you can't complete the mission, you just drop it.. losing a bit of standing.

And then you lose another mission objective.. and just drop the mission, losing more standing.

If someone decided their isk was more important than their isk, I would make it my business to steal every mission objective of theirs I could until they lost the ability to run that agent.


Good luck trying that one, it will be a sad* loss to Eve when you get hit by the Ban Hammer.


*Not necessarily true

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.01.16 15:57:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Thelma Todd
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Shawshanke
Originally by: Paul Clavet
First, an aside: I was a miner when I first started playing Eve, and mothyowns was my first canflipper and combat experience. At first I was ticked off, but then I started to see the appeal of the dark side. In a way, mothy led me to be the master griefer I am today, and so I'm a little sad to see him running missions.

I steal mission items all the time. Supposedly GMs should not restore the item if they know the item vanished through legal theft instead of a bugged mission or carebear mistake. However, either because they take pity on the carebear or because they just can't be troubled to look into it, they will sometimes restore items such as Damsels and Ship's Crews. By doing so they are essentially giving away what is usually a 20 million+ ISK item, but for whatever reason, they do it.

My advice to mothyowns, my hero and inspiration, is to HTFU and buy the item off the contracts like CCP intended it, instead of running to a GM because you didn't bother to loot before one of us got to your mission.


And they say it takes brains to play this game. Anyone paying 20mil for a mission obj is a total moron. Take the mission I'm on right now (Intercept The Saboteurs) if a ninja get the obj (good luck due to my salvaging alt waiting to grab it the second it drops) and I get everything else in the mission, loot, salvage, bounties the mission obj has a value of 1,961,900 including the sale price for the LP. I don't know about you but I'm not going to pay 10 an times an items value for anything in this game.


So since you can't complete the mission, you just drop it.. losing a bit of standing.

And then you lose another mission objective.. and just drop the mission, losing more standing.

If someone decided their isk was more important than their isk, I would make it my business to steal every mission objective of theirs I could until they lost the ability to run that agent.


Good luck trying that one, it will be a sad* loss to Eve when you get hit by the Ban Hammer.


*Not necessarily true


nothing to get banned over, the guy chooses not to pay the ransom for his mission objectives.

STO Arrow

Dacryphile
Posted - 2010.01.16 15:59:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Thelma Todd
Originally by: Awesome Possum

So since you can't complete the mission, you just drop it.. losing a bit of standing.

And then you lose another mission objective.. and just drop the mission, losing more standing.

If someone decided their isk was more important than their isk, I would make it my business to steal every mission objective of theirs I could until they lost the ability to run that agent.


Good luck trying that one, it will be a sad* loss to Eve when you get hit by the Ban Hammer.

*Not necessarily true
Since very few missions actually have a required item, it would be hard to interrupt some MR's game in this way.

And like was said very early, it isn't griefing if you offer the mission item back as ransom. I've heard of CCP reseting missions for people who petitioned, but as long as the item was ransomed back, there is no risk of banning.

Thelma Todd
Posted - 2010.01.16 16:13:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Thelma Todd on 16/01/2010 16:20:39
But you are talking about repeatedly stealing a MR's objective, and you think by being shocked and saying "who me?" when CCP Ban you for doing the same thing to the same player 10 times will mean you work around it?

All it takes is for CCP to see the regularity of your theft from the same Toon to class it as harrassment.

I imagine the offended party would have sought out another agent by the third attempt however.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.01.16 16:20:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Thelma Todd
But you are talking about repeatedly stealing a MR's objective, and you think by being shocked and saying "who me?" when CCP Ban you for doing the same thing to the same player 10 times will mean you work around it?

All it takes is for CCP to see the regularity of your theft from the same Toon to class it as harrassment.


You are interpreting 'griefing' wrong.

Thelma Todd
Posted - 2010.01.16 16:24:00 - [26]
 

So following a Character around and managing to enter all of his missions isn't classed as Griefing? I suppose if you didnt grab his loot you could say that, but I doubt you would resist doing so if you were already going to great lengths anyway.

Okay, lets call it Stalking Laughing

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.01.16 16:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Thelma Todd
So following a Character around and managing to enter all of his missions isn't classed as Griefing? I suppose if you didnt grab his loot you could say that, but I doubt you would resist doing so if you were already going to great lengths anyway.

Okay, lets call it Stalking Laughing


I'll accept stalking.

shiboozie
Posted - 2010.01.16 21:07:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: shiboozie on 16/01/2010 21:08:09



Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.01.16 21:12:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum


So since you can't complete the mission, you just drop it.. losing a bit of standing.

And then you lose another mission objective.. and just drop the mission, losing more standing.

If someone decided their isk was more important than their standings*, I would make it my business to steal every mission objective of theirs I could until they lost the ability to run that agent.


lol. Young man I'm old, so that gives me all the patience in the world to wait out a little ninja kid keeping him from pestering other people. I decline several missions a day if I don't like the isk/min ratio or just don't feel like doing that mission and stay at mid 9's with my agents and corps due to the fact that I'm going to complete far more mission than decline in the 15 hours a day that I play this game. And finally militants are the most common mission obj I need per day of which I have 4080 extra, if you want my militants you can have every single one that drops for the next few months.

I'm only here to waste my time and if needed I'll waste your time too.

Velocity Prime
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2010.01.16 21:28:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Shawshanke

I'm old ..... I'm going to complete far more mission than decline in the 15 hours a day that I play this game


Laughing That's awesome.





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