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Sir Ibex
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:27:00 - [1]
 

I need some solo PvP fit ideas.

Yes, I know a lot of people think that Hawk sucks, but I am stuck with it, at least for a while. I am assuming rockets it the best way to go? Targets are cruisers, frigs and possibly other assault frigs if a Hawk is capable of taking those down. Thanks.

Almighty Narshe
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:30:00 - [2]
 

GL

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:34:00 - [3]
 

in b4 "reprocess, build harpy" or its friend "sell, buy harpy"

Rockets are terrible, it doesnt have fitting for standards (and even if it did AML caracal is better), active shield tanking sucks on it, etc. Maybe try to cram standards + MSE on it and fly it like a terrible rail harpy?

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:34:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
I need some solo PvP fit ideas.

Yes, I know a lot of people think that Hawk sucks, but I am stuck with it, at least for a while. I am assuming rockets it the best way to go? Targets are cruisers, frigs and possibly other assault frigs if a Hawk is capable of taking those down. Thanks.


Only fit I even mange to get on it was a lame Rocket fit:

[Hawk, Lol]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
Medium Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Ancillary Current Router I



Note how the bonused Rockets with faction ammo deal less dps then the turret with T1 ammo.

Sir Ibex
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:50:00 - [5]
 

This doesn't make any sense... Why would CCP make Hawk suck as opposed to other Assault ships... Well either way I think I'll stick with rockets for now.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
This doesn't make any sense... Why would CCP make Hawk suck as opposed to other Assault ships... Well either way I think I'll stick with rockets for now.



Because sometimes even good designers screw up. Everyone (CCP included) knows rockets need to be fixed, the only question is when they finally get around to doing it. And when they do, the Hawk might have a chance.



And I'm going to decline to offer my usual "reprocess it now" advice. CCP has finally acknowledged the problems with rockets, so the Hawk may lose its "worst ship in EVE" title in the near future. If it does, you'll be very happy you bought a Hawk or ten when they were useless and cheap.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:56:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
This doesn't make any sense... Why would CCP make Hawk suck as opposed to other Assault ships... Well either way I think I'll stick with rockets for now.


I guess they just got "left in time" in light of all the missile changes that has come.

Davina Braben
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:57:00 - [8]
 

Rockets are allegedly getting a buff soon.

dtyk
Posted - 2010.01.10 21:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
This doesn't make any sense... Why would CCP make Hawk suck as opposed to other Assault ships... Well either way I think I'll stick with rockets for now.


Rockets in general suck. For various reasons. They have the bad sides all missiles share (delay between launch and damage), but they have a bunch of their own For one example, ridiculous explosion velocity. A plated battleship moves fast enough to not get full damage from them. Think about a frigate with a speed with Rolling Eyes. There should be a fix "coming" for them but nobody knows when.

Sprilk
Posted - 2010.01.10 22:33:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
This doesn't make any sense... Why would CCP make Hawk suck as opposed to other Assault ships... Well either way I think I'll stick with rockets for now.


Thats not true, ccp also made the vengence :)


Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.01.10 22:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
when they were useless and cheap.


Interestingly last time I checked Hawks went for the same price as Harpies.
May have shifted since then but seems to have been that way for some time. God knows why.

Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.10 22:54:00 - [12]
 

I currently dont rocket fit zee hawk anymore, but when i did i had success with in solo. My current fit is more for fleet support but you could solo with it!

Just gunna post alot of hawk fits at this point and yeah i would like to give this ship some love but it would be to far of a stretch!

Current hawk fit;

[Hawk, Hawk/A-0]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Micro Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Small Shield Booster II
Warp Disruptor II

Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Current solo fit:

[Hawk, Hawk/B-0]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Shield Extender II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defence Field Extender I




Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.10 23:06:00 - [13]
 

Other fits! some of these i have tried like the duel blaster setup...

[Hawk, Boost me baby!]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II

Small Shield Booster II
1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Small Nosferatu II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I

[Hawk, Might Work!]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

[Hawk, Yep! 3]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Shield Extender II
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II

Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defence Field Extender I

[Hawk, Yep! 2]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II

Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

[Hawk, Yep!]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Shield Extender II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defence Field Extender I


Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.11 01:57:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 11/01/2010 02:03:36
Originally by: Sprilk
Originally by: Sir Ibex
This doesn't make any sense... Why would CCP make Hawk suck as opposed to other Assault ships... Well either way I think I'll stick with rockets for now.


Thats not true, ccp also made the vengence :)

The Vengeance also has 3 turret slots available, so it can at least make do with non-bonused weapon systems instead.
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
when they were useless and cheap.


Interestingly last time I checked Hawks went for the same price as Harpies.
May have shifted since then but seems to have been that way for some time. God knows why.

Looking at Jita just now, the Hawk is selling for around low 18 million while the Harpy is closer to high 17 million. Maybe production costs come into it more than weapon systems?

The Vengeance can be had for only around 14-15 though. I'm inclined to pick some of them up for when Rockets do eventually get buffed, because I'll probably have fully developed armor tanking skills by then ...

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2010.01.11 03:02:00 - [15]
 


The hawks problem is that you need 4 rockets to be the equivalent of 3 turrets but instead of giving it an extra slot the games designers ripped out a mid/low so the net effect is that it has one less slot than its rivals.

Either that or it was intended to be the equivalent of DPS AFs like the wolf Laughing

It's a shame and i hope one day CCP get round to fixing it because it's been broken for a long time.


ShadowGod56
Posted - 2010.01.11 03:24:00 - [16]
 

the Ha-wk is fail get a kestrel its better

Darthewok
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.11 04:21:00 - [17]
 

True story: The Hawk's original name was Haweak, but it was changed at the last moment by the Lai Dai marketing department.

I do note however, that 2 turrets means you could fit 2 ACs and 3 rockets for decent damage (by AF standards). Coupled with a faction small shield booster you may be able to actually get a decent kill perhaps..

Platoon Sergeant
Posted - 2010.01.11 04:33:00 - [18]
 

[Hawk, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Shield Extender II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier I

Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

10k ehp, 134dps. Swap the MWD for AB if thats your routine.

Alternatively you could fit for light missiles and range, but the inty-level DPS is pathetic.


 

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