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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.12 03:57:00 - [331]
 

Originally by: Jedi Deus
Really... and just how long does it take to train up a character to gank?
Point is seems too many people are bored with the game and retaliate on other players in some show of HA HA.

The trash talk is phenomenal to support suggested Grief Play if you take a minute and read.
Of course CCP doesn't care, the more expensive in game is the more they make out of game...right?
I mean if you can't make your PLEX this month cause of so called "events" guess you have to pay for it 'eh.

Surely we can find some real reasoning here. You can slow down thier gameplay cause
1. you want or can't take the time to develop useful character skills
2. jealous of thier determined abilities and you don't have the stature to hang in there yourself
3. Rolling Eyes

Blasphemy really, there is no reasoning. Simply shows the nature of man on a virtual scale. No pride, no honor, just brats really. Whole buncha cancer victims with pinheaded egos just ready to be a prick. Carry on


I do it for 4: Laughing

Ekon Bor
Amarr
Van Diemen's Demise
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.01.12 04:01:00 - [332]
 

Edited by: Ekon Bor on 12/01/2010 04:10:50
Originally by: Jedi Deus
...Of course CCP doesn't care, the more expensive in game is the more they make out of game...right?
I mean if you can't make your PLEX this month cause of so called "events" guess you have to pay for it 'eh.
...


Sorry - Wrong, wrong, wrong, incorrect, wrong and also erroneous.

If you earn enough to buy plex with isk, you have to buy it off someone who paid cash for it. There is no way to get time, without cash entering CCP. Plex doesn't come in loot drops and uyou can't make it. All that Plex on market was originally GTC's bought by someone. So it might not be you who pays that cash, but someone has to.

It makes absolutely no difference to their cashflow - as long as you stay, they're fine. It doesn't matter if you and I both buy GTCs to use for gametime, or if I buy two and sell you one for isk which we then use for gametime. CCP still get paid. What CCP want, is for you to stay, so that you either have to pay your sub, or buy your GTC, or buy Plex that someone else other than you gave them cash for.

Igotta MagicJohnson
Posted - 2010.01.12 05:15:00 - [333]
 

Why are people blaming Helicity?

He merely brought up the idea. I'm pretty sure he didn't Charlie Sheen 1000 Hulks (at time of writing).

Jedi Deus
Posted - 2010.01.12 05:20:00 - [334]
 

Originally by: Ekon Bor
Edited by: Ekon Bor on 12/01/2010 04:10:50
Originally by: Jedi Deus
...Of course CCP doesn't care, the more expensive in game is the more they make out of game...right?
I mean if you can't make your PLEX this month cause of so called "events" guess you have to pay for it 'eh.
...


If you earn enough to buy plex with isk,



I think this is the keywords to the phrase and comment.
Oh well, conspiracy or not. It is still lame, there could be in game events to stir it up besides encouraging players to flaunt thier playground mouth bash and grievance attitudes towards others.

Oh my bad, it's called WAR AND SOVEREIGNTY
Can't waite to get there and have real goal PvP. Which a lot of these carebear pirate wanna be PvP players will likely never be envolved in.

Simple if you aren't going to uphold the Policies then let the players do it and stop giving false guidelines to follow.

Also, There is nothing real world about suicide "Ganking". Do I need to include definitions here? ArrowI'm out.

Z'Pax
Posted - 2010.01.12 06:37:00 - [335]
 

While I love the idea of wholesale carnage, this whole thing is nothing more than bullying. If defined as such its Harrasment of a whole player ethic.

No matter how much spin griefers put on it that's all it is.

ccp always go on about how they want this cold harsh universe, and a number of people keep prattling on about being smart wont get you popped.

1, If the cold harsh universe isn't fun for everyone people will stop playing.
2, People are stupid... period.

For those advocating and enjoying this event
From the banning section of the eula...

3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

* a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

carebears are a player type and group (love it or hate it), and there are countless examples of anti carebear hate mongering in this thread. Carebears are the weakest players in EVE, but this organized hunt is sadly too much.
Gloss over it with all the spin you wan't, if ccp lose hundreds of subs over this they are within there rights to ban every participant of Hulkaggedon if they kneejerk reaction to a mass quitting of carebears.

hmm maybe thats Helicities agenda, get insurance and miners sorted in game while getting all the griefers banned....

Dacryphile
Posted - 2010.01.12 07:14:00 - [336]
 

Originally by: Z'Pax
For those advocating and enjoying this event
From the banning section of the eula...

3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

* a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

carebears are a player type and group (love it or hate it), and there are countless examples of anti carebear hate mongering in this thread.
I think you are taking that way out of context. Hulkageddon is hardly a hate-mongering philosophy, nor is it anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, or sexist. If you look at the context of the rule, it is obviously toward groups like the *** (3 Ks in a row) existing in game, not a week long gank fest against so called "defenseless miners."

Constant, never ending attack of all girl corps, yanks, or the Minmatar Gay Rights League may get a petition for griefing, and the perpetrators would probably get a warning. Actual hate groups would get banned. A one week, non discriminatory attack against T2 mining barges, regardless of the pilots ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, race, or sex will not fall within the context of that rule.

Feisty Kitten
Posted - 2010.01.12 07:21:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: Z'Pax
overdone whine


mmmm your tears taste so good

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.01.12 07:23:00 - [338]
 

The more you weep, THE MORE I WIN.

In what game can you take 5 million isk in CSPA charges, turn it into 10bil in prizes and destroy well over a thousand ships... using only words?

EVE.

I love this sh-

Z'Pax
Posted - 2010.01.12 07:25:00 - [339]
 

You lot are easier to bait than...

well carebears in hulks.

Lucas Lucias
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:03:00 - [340]
 

I think that Helicity organised it just for fun because it could be done, Helicity then posted stuff to defend himself against another player who was only calling out players who were chest beating about being great PvP'rs in what one can only describe as a duck shoot competition and the impact on players they despised,. This possible result of changes to loot in level 4's and insurance is not the reason you set this up, you set it up for fun.

Anyone with a brain can work out that tanking a Hulk is not really going to do much, the only thing it does is give you a chance if the attackers screw up and the High Sec mechanics make proactive defence impossible. We tested the aligh times and warp times, we played with moving around asteroids to see the impact on this and in all our tests the tanked hulk died, we looked at the kill board and selected a mix of successful ships. The only thing that we did not asses was RR'ing a Hulk. Anyway best defence is mine in a 0.8 system, there is less risk until people are desperate for targets at the end of this competition.

But talk of banning people is silly, many of us found it a fun talking point and added excitement. I went and did some missions instead, I have only just got my Hulk so could not face losing it.

Orugi Natsuko
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:05:00 - [341]
 

Originally by: Z'Pax
While I love the idea of wholesale carnage, this whole thing is nothing more than bullying. If defined as such its Harrasment of a whole player ethic.

No matter how much spin griefers put on it that's all it is.

ccp always go on about how they want this cold harsh universe, and a number of people keep prattling on about being smart wont get you popped.

1, If the cold harsh universe isn't fun for everyone people will stop playing.
2, People are stupid... period.

For those advocating and enjoying this event
From the banning section of the eula...


3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

* a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

carebears are a player type and group (love it or hate it), and there are countless examples of anti carebear hate mongering in this thread. Carebears are the weakest players in EVE, but this organized hunt is sadly too much.
Gloss over it with all the spin you wan't, if ccp lose hundreds of subs over this they are within there rights to ban every participant of Hulkaggedon if they kneejerk reaction to a mass quitting of carebears.

hmm maybe thats Helicities agenda, get insurance and miners sorted in game while getting all the griefers banned....




It's not bullying, it's piracy.

Originally by: Bully/Bullying defined
bul·ly 1 (bl)
n. pl. bul·lies
1. A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people.
2. A hired ruffian; a thug.
3. A pimp.
4. Archaic A fine person.
5. Archaic A sweetheart.
v. bul·lied, bul·ly·ing, bul·lies
v.tr.
1. To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner. See Synonyms at intimidate.
2. To make (one's way) aggressively.
v.intr.
1. To behave like a bully.
2. To force one's way aggressively or by intimidation: "They bully into line at the gas pump" (Martin Gottfried).


Originally by: Piracy defined
An illegal act of violence, depredation (e.g., plundering, robbing, or pillaging), or detention in or over international waters committed for private ends by the crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft.
Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.



The major difference is that the spirit of the EULA is to prevent "out of game" trespasses on players. Killing miners in high sec isn't a hateful act directed at people who like to mine to hurt them personally, or to intimidate them. It is an in-game act of piracy. In fact, your post fits more to the definiton of bullying. Specifically number 1 of the second paragraph, by trying to intimdate players out of playing their game a certain way by quoting "the banning section" "for those enjoying this event" and implying the event leader has a hidden agenda to get them all banned.

Generally, it's easier to ask someone else to change their behavior than to change your own. Asking people who like to gank miners to stop because they are ganking miners is easier than for the miners to learn how to fly their ship. You are far to dismissive about this aspect.

Also, I agree with the first post here. This event is totally great. Probably the most fun I've had in Eve since I started.

Zill
Friends of Honor
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:06:00 - [342]
 

Originally by: Leocadminone
Originally by: Helicity Boson


you talk about griefing when there isn't any.




Actually, Hulkageddon is all about griefing. I don't shed any tears for the macro farmers and ISK farmers that are getting greifed, but I do feel sorry for the folks that live mine and are getting griefed.

This is the sort of thing that caused Ultama Online to spend 3 years with a rapidly-shrinking user base, after it started having competiton - only to have the UO folks reinvision UO with the Tramell shards and start seing their userbase GROW (with a small burp when WoW was released) for 7+ years now since then.


The original UO was much like early Eve - no place outside of teh cities was safe from PvP and ganking/griefing - the current is more like most other MMORGS, it's all about beating the GAME not harrassing other players you don't even know for no reason other than "you can".

Longtime UP players predicted the "death of UO" when the Tramell shards were first announced to be in the works - funny how they proved to be completely wrong, as the LARGE majority of existing UO players moved to the Tramell shards as soon as they could.


Eve likes to brag about their "one server" records - but they conveniently ignore or refuse to face the fact that Eve Online is a VERY SMALL BLIP on the MMORG landscape, and will remain such and will remain ABLE to be served by one server because CCP actively encouraged griefing and ganking and scamming with their game mechanics and rules. There will come a day that Eve stops growing, because there aren't enough potential new players that don't already KNOW what Eve is like or have never heard about it to sustain the existing playerbase - at which point Eve will be a tiny MMORG that is shrinking instead of a tiny MMORG that is showing very slow growth DESPITE a huge advertising budget (by the standards of any MMORG except WoW) to try to draw in new players.

Mabey thats they way CCP wants it. Mabey it is not. But if they ever except Eve to achieve the POTENTIAL greatness it could achieve, they're doomed to failure as long as they actively encourage ganking and grieving in ALL areas the game is played in.


Not that I expect to change any minds of Hulkageddon participants, much less organisers, with FACTS and observed history of what was the closest game to what Eve is now in most respects.




Leocadminone Dont forget mate most of the eve population don't even come to the forums, these lads are not typical of the player base. Just the feral end who enjoy trying to be forum warriors. They like to think they can make people angry an talk themselves up.... all gaming forums are same as EvE's

The system wont change anytime soon.I don't honestly believe CCP are concerned about the system as it is, they set it up so the risk was one sided. Thus allowing the griefers to go to town. None of this was accidental in that they new the young ones would figure it out eventually an take advantage of it.

My spare time is valuable an I love to spend it in eve even with the system as it is, it's just sad that its in the state it's in.I can see a Trammel-esk system improving EvE dramatically but it's something I don't think CCP can or will do because it would mean dealing with the ranting an tantrums of the minority player base who are in all MMO's the most vocal an the most demanding. CCP wont want to go throguh that.

Btw Trammel was a long time coming, the entire game was mass hacks an warp scripts. Bullying, theft of accounts you name it. Groups of idiots roaming about killing everything in sight then bragging about it. Trammel fixed UO in my opinion. You can see CCP's attitude to all this in the simple fact they don't care bout the tempest griefers/gankers in 1.0 killing newbes as they start the game in Rookie boats.

The rod they made for their back is the fact the game is so one sided in its consequences. Changing it is a big conversion in the core mechanics of the game.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:21:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: Zill
BLA


Except that the silent majority (all we can see on the forums is comedy loudmouths like me, and whining victims like you) is perfectly fine with how things are.

Everyone still logs in, everyone still plays, everyone BUT YOU is having fun.

Face it Zill, nobody wants the EVE that exists in your head, the people that want that sort of game play one of the dozens of other, "lossless" MMOs(and there is nothing wrong with that).

The only fools are the people straining against the very NATURE of the game they are playing.

If you don't like the rules of chess, go play checkers, you don't go whining on forums that the Queen's gambit or Sicilian defense are "unfair" and are "griefing" the way YOU want to play your game of chess.

Because that is what you are doing, no matter how many layers of babble you pack it in.

If CCP said today, suicide ganking is no longer allowed, I'd have no problem with that at all.

Lightningshade
Caldari
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:42:00 - [344]
 

Originally by: Zill

oh an minita, I value my word above most things, if I state something it's generally regarded as fact. but good try.



Who is it regarded as fact by? The noobs in Scope that you regularly attempt to dangle your Epeen in front of?

Thing is, even the miners that come to this thread, a large portion of them know whats going on. They know to be smart and adapt.

It seems that as the self proclaimed "one-eyed King" of The Scope really doesn't understand any of whats happeneing around you. Calling people "son" etc is there to once again attempt to elevate your position.

We get it by the way, you've done everything there is to do in Eve, and purely on the basis that your toon is old, that automatically makes you a perfect authority on the topics of everything. However, this only happens within your head.

Faith Rains
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:47:00 - [345]
 

Congrats on 1000. Smile

Still seems a lot more needs to be done though, could hardly undock in Ignebaener today, had to thread a path through half a dozen of the awful big miner barges clogging up the undocking points of the station. Crying or Very sad

Lightningshade
Caldari
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:58:00 - [346]
 

Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Tzigan Jegos
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: RyanSnake

The things happening here are player-run and player created. How many MMOs have you played with a community as active and creative as this one?

It is just a pity that the best event that the players can come up with is gank the unarmed miner.



BS. They have drones.

Ok, Mr. Pedantic, it is a pity that the best event that the community can come up with mimics one of the worst aspects of World of Warcraft, the high levels ganking newbies.



It requires more than noob skills to fly a hulk. Infact, my hulk/invention toon has around 8mil SP more than my yaarage toon. go figure.

Ishihiro tanaka
Amarr
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.12 08:59:00 - [347]
 

Originally by: Zill
...You can see CCP's attitude to all this in the simple fact they don't care bout the tempest griefers/gankers in 1.0 killing newbes as they start the game in Rookie boats....



In view of this thread, I don't think a hulk qualifies as a newb ship. On top of that, a hulk is easily fitted in such a way that you are quite easily capable of sitting through an attempted gank while Concord cleans house. Even with mediocre skills a miner should be able to fit a few shield extenders and resists to help him easily.

Quote:

Congrats on 1000.

Still seems a lot more needs to be done though, could hardly undock in Ignebaener today, had to thread a path through half a dozen of the awful big miner barges clogging up the undocking points of the station.



Go grab a smartbombing BS and clear the entry right up :)




Faith Rains
Posted - 2010.01.12 09:15:00 - [348]
 

Originally by: Ishihiro tanaka

Go grab a smartbombing BS and clear the entry right up :)


I would if I could fly one, almost 100% invention/trade/reasearching on my character. Neutral

It wouldn't make much of a dent anyway though, there's often another 20-30 npc corp mackinaws and hulks in the 2 ice-belts there at peak times.ugh

Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
Posted - 2010.01.12 10:49:00 - [349]
 

All these hulk losses and the botter in Yarebap (Sm2) is still there, botting away.YARRRR!!

El'Tar
Caldari
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.12 11:31:00 - [350]
 

Only 2 days to go, genos got bored of this a few days ago but it seems the united is winning right now with final agony and the bastards competing for No. 2

Whoever I give the 3b to, I deserve a free pass if I ever jump into one of your camps imo

Fernous
Gallente
Autistic Sharks
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.01.12 11:45:00 - [351]
 

Best Week of the season :D
Keep up the good work, Congrats on 1000

Torncuff Lookout
Posted - 2010.01.12 11:53:00 - [352]
 

Why aren't you guys in Black Rise cleaning house? Same guys out here mining all day...

Dracoknight
Posted - 2010.01.12 12:43:00 - [353]
 

Zill, if what you have said until now even had the slightest bit of credibility the player counter at the server would be around 1k players by now...

But to your unfortunate babbleing there is just babble because the so-called "players-that-are-sick-of-ganking" is still hanging on to the game or quitted depending on how presistent they are, and isnt here whining like you.

You do have the same syndrome as Joe does, and that is making up facts and then shrug it off when people ask for proof, you claim you have people that have complained to you, we want proof.
Also, why in the hell does those people complain to YOU in the first place?
I have NEVER seen you before now, you is neither a regular on the forums, you have done nothing deserving acknowlegde of any kind... and then you burst in here telling us we are greifers, exploiters and the like, and then bursting all over the place pointing fingers with not even a slightest bit of knowledge of game mechanics...

Seriously Zill, quit this while you still can and lie low, otherwise i recommend you to read the IEEE stories of "Joe Phoenix" because in theory, you are doing the exact same thing: Being stuborn, Lying and Making your own "Justice"

Remember, even for "Greifers" or "Pirates" we know much more of this game than you might think.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2010.01.12 12:44:00 - [354]
 

Edited by: Asuri Kinnes on 12/01/2010 12:54:44
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Magnus Nordir
eve is dying, unless it turns into wow

Yeah, World of Hulkaggedoncraft.

Instead of level 80s beating up low levels we have combat ships taking on unarmed civilians.

Sure the City Guards, sorry CONCORD, take revenge, but with lovely insurance there is no loss to the ganker. All that the ganker has to do is corpse run back to his home, wait out the PvP flag, sorry GCC, and set forth to gank again.

And we have achievements in the World of Hulkaggedoncraft too, this is just perfect.



Yeah, them dam unarmed civilians are a ***** I tell you!

Got a warp-in on a Mack last night, five of us warp in (Catalyst Dessie gang). I came out >900 meters and thought "BANG!". Opened up along with everyone else. With the five of us pounding this "unarmed" miner, we all went pop, he never got below 30% shields... LaughingLaughingLaughing

Funny ****, we found one of the few who know how to fit their Hulk, so:

Miner 5
Us 0

Laughed my ass off! We all did! I can't remember the guys name, but I salute that unknown miner for making my night better!


You see? Un-Armed miners have this big friend that hangs around, and has like, super sensitive feelings of love for all his little hi-sec buddies...


Originally by: Zill
You can see CCP's attitude to all this in the simple fact they don't care bout the tempest griefers/gankers in 1.0 killing newbes as they start the game in Rookie boats.



That is most DEFINITELY griefing, and is a bannable offence. If you know someone who is doing that, petition it - I assure you, they won't be back (on that account). And rightly so!






Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2010.01.12 12:44:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: Z'Pax
Is that a threat to invade my home and gang **** me?

Should of just left it at threatening/actually destroying ships in game.

Don't be fatuous, Z'Pax...

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.01.12 13:20:00 - [356]
 

Originally by: Jedi Deus
brats
You guys keep saying stuff like this, but from where I stand, these so-called 'brats' (Helicity et al) seem to be pretty normal people, perfectly capable of communicating like adults. You and your sort, on the other hand seem to be mostly illiterate children, spouting your strange insults.
Originally by: Jedi Deus
Whole buncha cancer victims
Yeah, like that. What's wrong with you?

Winterjack
Posted - 2010.01.12 13:30:00 - [357]
 

Originally by: Zill
Get ready for the nerf bat bigtime, I cant wait to see Insurance go byby or pvp turned off all together in highsec. All down to you lot.


I'm a miner.. but I seriously despise this kind of attitude.

Quote:
I had to give a guy some ships other day when one of your heroes killed a first timer in his hulk, he had it less than 15 mins after working for 4 months to afford it.


4 months to get in a hulk, and he never once stumbled upon rule one of eve, that yours truly after 2 weeks knows by heart:
"Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose."

People were advertising hulkageddon all over the major hubs, and this 4 months player has not heard of it?

The miner population in belts in the last week dropped to near-zero, and he failed to wonder why or ask any question?

Well then, NOW he learned why there is rule nr.1, and why you should always be on your toes. I finally bought a retriever, managed to scrounge up the skills... and will not fly it for a while. Because I know HAG is here, and I know my mining barge needs to be kept safe for a while.

Whatever. This is not a game for the meek - you need to actively work for your safety.
One of the first things I learned in EVE is that you WILL lose your ship. It WILL happen, eventually.
If you can't live with this, maybe you should move on.

This said: no-cost suicide ganks are an anomaly that should not happen, and the overflooding of minerals, if there is such an overflooding, should be corrected.

Grimveous
Minmatar
Dashavatara
Clownz'R'Us
Posted - 2010.01.12 13:34:00 - [358]
 

Am I going to get banned now? Im scared, hold me Hell Crying or Very sad





Lol

Sharbaraz
Posted - 2010.01.12 14:47:00 - [359]
 

Sitting on vent when one of the newbs in our industrial corp asks why this guy Zill is calling them gankers in local cause they have a sec status of 0.0 and they were still in station.
When I double checked who it was, I laughed my ass off at how inept he is at threat assessment.

O'Nizzle
Posted - 2010.01.12 14:55:00 - [360]
 

i wouldn't call this grief-play. it's a competition with an established objective.

the trash-talk and unoriginal, overused "your tears taste good" is simply just a lack of self-esteem.


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