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Gottii
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.01.08 06:17:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Graelyn
Politics and other things aside, how does this Matari expect someone to transport a large volume of slaves to Rens?

That just displays a deep lack of understanding of CONCORD and Republic customs procedures.


Not that I support this in any way, but if they were free to leave and travel to Republic space, they wouldnt be slaves would they?

Anonymous Agerothite
Posted - 2010.01.08 14:18:00 - [62]
 

A turning away from violence.

A calling out of the oaf Nordir.

A snub to the Queen of Hearts self-promotion.

Three-in-one action, hah!

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2010.01.08 14:54:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Aphoxema G on 08/01/2010 14:54:00
After that 1005 days, instead of destroying these people I will gladly take them off your hands should you trust me to find the right place for them. Also, in the meantime, I'll buy myself some feel-good and redemption in the midst of my crimes against humanity by donating to the care of these people.

How much would be an appropriate amount, Havohej?

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2010.01.08 16:19:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Anonymous Agerothite
A turning away from violence.

A calling out of the oaf Nordir.

A snub to the Queen of Hearts self-promotion.

Three-in-one action, hah!

Yesterday evening, Du'uma Fiisi received a communication from an anonymous Agerothite. He told us that he was acting on behalf of a particularly wealthy Amarrian Holder who also wished to remain anonymous for several reasons but that he was prepared to release one million Minmatars into our care that very day. His message was also sent to Cer'ana and Louella Dougans of SHOSK, so our first response was to contact Miss Dougans to verify that the message was sincere. Much to our delight, she was indeed able to verify the Agerothite's message.

A message was sent immediately to our people in Sasta where our slaves had been moved the night before for interviews following their medical examinations, the purpose of which was to determine the details of their origins; i.e. their names, how many were loyal to which houses, their vocations, etc. Within the hour, the lot of them were ushered aboard a DF1AS Prowler and en route to the Civic Court Accounting station in Ashab where the exchange was to take place.

While we waited in Ashab for a thousand immensely relieved Amarrians to arrive, Miss Dougans and I passed the time in light (and somewhat awkward) conversation. During this brief exchange, I gained valuable new insight into the 'inner workings' of Amarr society and a little bit about their religion - particularly their Saint Ageroth, who apparently said, "Happiness is not measured by what you hold in your hand, but in your heart."

Prowlers are fast, though, and this conversation didn't need to go on for very long. As soon as the Amarrians had reached my hangar bay and I had personally seen with my own eyes that all were in the same good physical condition as when we purchased them, I communicated to Miss Dougans that we were prepared to make the exchange. The anonymous Agerothite transferred his Lord's one million Minmatar capitives into her custody and she and I made the exchange quietly.

1,001,000 slaves, Minmatar and Amarrian, were free.

We spoke for a short while longer as the Minmatars were escorted into our hangar where we handed out blankets and rations of food and water to make the wait at least a little more comfortable. As soon as an allied freighter arrived in Ashab, we began relocating our newly freed brethren to another location where we expect they will remain for no more than two weeks while we determine their individual wishes. We were assured that all one million of them wished to be taken to the Republic... however, it was explained that their former master had sent employees around to ask all of his captives if they were willing to give up their salvation and return to the Republic as free people to see one thousand Amarrians go free. Apparently it was not difficult to find one million volunteers.

The problem this creates for us, then, is a need to determine how many of these Minmatars volunteered out of a desire to be free and how many volunteered as a result of thorough religious brainwashing. It will take time to determine who is who, and even more time to help those whose minds are clouded, but Du'uma Fiisi set out to free one million Minmatars and we are committed to doing so, whether their enslavement is enforced by chains of steel, chemical or dogma.

During the time these people remain in our care, they will be provided for; arrangements are already being made to employ as many as we can in our offices and aboard our non-combat vessels. Those we cannot employ ourselves will receive a stipend that will be held in a corporate account until they're ready to return to the Republic's waiting arms.

Should there be sufficient interest, we will periodically share details of their progress, but we believe that the public portion of this effort is over.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2010.01.08 16:27:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Havohej on 08/01/2010 16:30:45
Du'uma Fiisi also received over 120,000 Minmatars from a "consortium" of abolition-minded Holders in the Ammatar Mandate who also wished to remain nameless. When we explained to their agent that we no longer had Amarrians to barter with, he told us that these men and women were meant to be freed regardless and he was more than willing to see them into our care to do the right thing. As soon as we could arrange for temporary housing for these people within the Mandate, I personally flow out to Derelik to accept temporary custody of these free souls.

Du'uma Fiisi would like to extend our sincerest gratitude to the Lord Holder who released one million of our kin, regardless of his motives and to the Holders in the Mandate who saw fit to do their part to help regardless of whether or not we had anything to offer in return.

We also wish to express our very special thanks to Louella Dougans and the Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine, as without the legitimacy that their willingness to help see this end without bloodshed gave to our effort, we may not have had such an overwhelmingly positive response so quickly.

e: It has been suggested that we should follow the remarkable success of this effort with another stronger effort. Before you ask, we are considering doing so but it will have to wait until the 1.1 million Minmatars we have to work with now are fully situated. I also expect it would take quite some time for our Angel Cartel associates to find and gather another thousand Amarrians illegally enslaved, let alone ten thousand.

Darina Rea
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2010.01.08 16:43:00 - [66]
 

Congratulations.

You're officially a slaver now.

Rhedyn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.08 16:45:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Rhedyn on 08/01/2010 16:48:08
Here's the problem with the whole situation. You offer no proof. "I captured 1000 ammarrian dogs and I'll kill them if 1 Million Minmatar slaves aren't set free!" then, "Oh, I found an anonymous benefactor who really doesn't believe in slavery or slaver ways but owns well over a million who decided to pay up. They are all free now, see how wonderful we freedom fighters are? we totally freed over a million slaves! yay us!"

And no proof. I can totally make up stories to.

This just in, several of those 1 million slaves were actually planted agents with nano-viral vectors. Not only are all of the slaves dead, but indeed the station crew where they were being held, as well as the ship captains of the transports tha got them there, are all dead.

It's a tragedy, but we were careful when we salvaged, so we cleaned up the mess. It's a shame it's come to this.

Seriously. Posturing in the IGS is nice and all but at least bring some evidence instead of just condemnation and self-aggrandizing and congratulations.

And before you say "But I provided evidence!" Such images are easily fabricated by anyone capable of using a terminal. What they show is only that you are, yourself, part of the slave trade as you are dealing in slaves. You are your own worst enemy!

Darina Rea
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:02:00 - [68]
 

The crux of the situation is that there are other people involved that have gained something called credibility over time.

And you haven't.

And never will at this rate.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:02:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Darina Rea
Congratulations.

You're officially a slaver now.

Not a single one of the 1.1 million Minmatars in our care are slaves. If you are labelling me for the purchase of 1,000 Amarrians... so be it.

Originally by: Rhedyn
Rubbish.

The involvement of Louella Dougans and the Order of Saint Katherine provides all of the "proof" we need in order to make this announcement; indeed, I've said already that we believe SHOSK's cooperation was necessary to legitimize this effort at all. Without them, people may very well have dismissed this as a mere rabble-rousing publicity stunt rather than a genuine initiative to bring about the emancipation of a million souls.

I've received no reports of any of our brothers and sisters being ill or spreading any illnesses amongst themselves. So while you're prattling on here about gods know what, we'll be celebrating the release of 1.1 million Minmatars from slavery in the Empire and the Mandate and doing everything in our power to see that they are prepared for the drastic change in lifestyle that awaits them now that they are no longer enslaved in as little time as possible.

During our conversation, Miss Dougans explained to me why Amarrian Holders would want to remain publicly disconnected from this effort and I expect that as an Amarrian yourself you understand the twists and turns of Amarrian "intrigue" well enough that it needn't be explained to you. If I were to reveal the identities of these Holders or their agents now, it would ruin our chances to find similar success in any future effort so I'm afraid you're just going to have to take our word for it.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:04:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Rhedyn
Here's the problem with the whole situation. You offer no proof. "I captured 1000 ammarrian dogs and I'll kill them if 1 Million Minmatar slaves aren't set free!" then, "Oh, I found an anonymous benefactor who really doesn't believe in slavery or slaver ways but owns well over a million who decided to pay up. They are all free now, see how wonderful we freedom fighters are? we totally freed over a million slaves! yay us!"


Anti-climatic isn't it? I tend to agree.
Ah well, but as he says, we have just to take "his word" for it.
Or not, whatever suits the mood better.



Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Petra Bealer
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:12:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

Anti-climatic isn't it? I tend to agree.
Ah well, but as he says, we have just to take "his word" for it.
Or not, whatever suits the mood better.


Do I need to point out the irony of this being said by someone going on about the billions of lives she's responsible for claiming?

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:16:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 08/01/2010 17:19:25
Originally by: Petra Bealer
Do I need to point out the irony of this being said by someone going on about the billions of lives she's responsible for claiming?


You have to go ask the person claiming that I have done such. To me, indifferent if someone tells me that my wars have killed one soul or two or billions, actually I prefer to simply ignore such casualties.

Thanks for affirming my point.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:19:00 - [73]
 

I was there. I saw 1M people exchanged for 1K other people.

Where's the proof, eh?

Well, the proof is my Word. I say it happened.


There are other things that happen, why are you not badgering them about proof?

Petra Bealer
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:25:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
To me, indifferent if someone tells me that my wars have killed one soul or two or billions, actually I prefer to simply ignore such casualties.


You seemed quite enamored of the numbers last night, ms. 'angel'. But nice try.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:30:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Petra Bealer
ms. 'angel'.


Delighted Cool

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Rhedyn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:43:00 - [76]
 

Oh, sure enough, Louella did participate, which simply makes her a slaver as well.

The other "facts" in this are completely without support however. Heck, there isn't any any support that those 1000 "Amarrian" slaves were actually Amarrian, or that the million "Minmatar" were really Minmatar. Heck, there isn't even any proof that the million offered weren't simply some patsy of yours (since you have already admitted you are a slave trader), which is why they will remain "anonymous".

Personally, I don't care one way or another, holders are free to trade their slaves as they want, even if it's a bad deal. Of course, there is the option they are trying to scam you, so in the future they will ask you for a large sum to help acquire more to be freed.... It's a good plan actually, wish I had the capital to invest in it first. And as has been stated by the others, if the slaves you had were Amarrians, then they were slaves because they were serving sentances for one crime or another. Their torture and death would only absolve them and make them martyrs. If they were illegally slaves, then it would be again, because you yourself are a "slaver" that you so dearly hate.

In the end, it doesn't matter, with the billions of slaves in the Empire, there are millions born every day, they won't run out any time soon.

What bugs me about the whole thing is the all the self gratification from a hypocrite. Flies Amarrian ships, docks in Amarrian stations, pays taxes, everything this "freedom fighter" does seems only to support those he proclaims to hate.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:51:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Rhedyn
if the slaves you had were Amarrians, then they were slaves because they were serving sentances for one crime or another.

Ah, I see the problem, now. You don't read. Further 'input' from you will be summarily disregarded, but we thank you for your interest in the disposition of our brethren.

Rhedyn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.08 17:56:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Rhedyn
If they were illegally slaves, then it would be again, because you yourself are a "slaver" that you so dearly hate.


Clearly, I'm not the one with the reading problem. And added, were they illegally slaves and Amarrians, then they would still be martyred by your murdering them.

Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.01.08 18:00:00 - [79]
 

I find it rather amusing that so many people fail to grasp even the basics of the original message. Rhedyn here as well as several others really need to go back and read it all again. Twice. Should that fail to enlighten them as to how ridiculously far off the mark they are, I'm sure the various schooling facilities around the place would help them attain basic literary comprehension skills.

Rhedyn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.08 18:08:00 - [80]
 

Summing up the first two posts:
We failed at generating much response in our first attempt at IGS domination of Amarr. This time we bought 1000 slaves, we'll trade them for 1 million, or we'll start to kill them.

That's pretty much it. There is zero evidence that these are Amarrians slaves captured by blood raiders and shuffled through null-sec underground slave-trade. Or that the million traded by some mysterious Amarr holder were minmatar.

They bought slaves, and traded them. Welcome to being a slave trader. And congratulations on an outstanding profit, 1000% is a pretty good return on an investment.

Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2010.01.08 18:15:00 - [81]
 

There is no dispute that the 1000 Amarrians would have been considered martyrs.

As I said, Scripture would support both acting, and not acting.

Do nothing, and there are 1000 martyrs, such says Scripture. Act, and have 1,000,000 trade salvation for the lives of others, an act which is also righteous, according to Scripture.

So then, which is more likely to end the war in the Bleak Lands, eh?

Further to this, it happened the way I said it happened. Do you challenge my Word?

Rhedyn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.08 18:17:00 - [82]
 

No, I'm sure you traded one million slaves for one thousand. It's the other "facts" that are in question.

Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2010.01.08 18:33:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Rhedyn
It's the other "facts" that are in question.


Well then, you can accept my word that it is so.

Or you can refuse, and then we can do that whole charade where I say "My Word is Challenged!" and insist on a duel, as is normal under Amarr Law - the "Trial By Combat", and then someone makes a retraction and all that malarkey.

Kasuko Merin
Posted - 2010.01.08 19:37:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Louella Dougans
Originally by: Rhedyn
It's the other "facts" that are in question.


Well then, you can accept my word that it is so.

Or you can refuse, and then we can do that whole charade where I say "My Word is Challenged!" and insist on a duel, as is normal under Amarr Law - the "Trial By Combat", and then someone makes a retraction and all that malarkey.


This is why I like Lou! She gets to the point. Nice change.

Even if she *does* have an unnatural fondness for shopping...

Rhedyn
Amarr
Posted - 2010.01.08 19:58:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Louella Dougans
Well then, you can accept my word that it is so.


Really can't, sorry. While you were involved in the final transfer, you weren't involved in the initial purchase of the slaves. As it was stated that they were obtained in the illegal underground slave market, it means their pedigree is impossible to determine, as the very nature of the the illegal market makes it nigh impossible to trace and track.

This is why in the Empire we have laws governing this sort of thing.

Short version, he's a slave trader complaining about other slave traders.

Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.01.08 20:50:00 - [86]
 

Brother Havohej always handles these situations with such style. Kudos on the happy ending for more than a million of our brethren!

Next time, I'm sure that you can reduce criticisms of your methods by treating the prisoners with all of the care and consideration that the slavers treat our people with. Here is a great example. Using this example, why not offer to free all of the prisoners, one per day? And, as an added bonus, if 1000 Minmatar slaves are freed to your care, you could give them a free ride to a station, as opposed to leaving them to drift in deep space, as were the slaves in the reference?

Surely no slaver could fault you for such stellar treatment of their people...

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.08 21:14:00 - [87]
 

While I dispute the method and the threat behind the request, I'm glad to see our people returned home safely.

I trust the words of Lady Dougans that our people are returned safely, and are happy to note the assistance from a fellow holder. Some here seemed more eager to let a thousand free Imperial citizens die in horrible agony. One thousand citizens. What price is a million less slaves for such a cause?

Thanks Mr. Havohej, for proving to be honourable enough to allow negotiations, at the very least. It's a start.

Ka Pasher
Posted - 2010.01.08 21:28:00 - [88]
 

Mr Havohej, I humbly ask you to send a list of your prisoners. I wish to know whether a member of my family, Isham Mke Pasher, with whom we lost contact in the Alpakian constellation is presently being held by you.

It appears we haven't the support of our government, no information has been circulated. However, if my nephew is in amongst their number I would be willing to negotiate on his behalf.

Ka Pasher

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.08 21:38:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Ka Pasher
Mr Havohej, I humbly ask you to send a list of your prisoners. I wish to know whether a member of my family, Isham Mke Pasher, with whom we lost contact in the Alpakian constellation is presently being held by you.

It appears we haven't the support of our government, no information has been circulated. However, if my nephew is in amongst their number I would be willing to negotiate on his behalf.

Ka Pasher


You might want to contact Lady Dougans for this information, pilot. Our citizens are freed and in good hands once again.

Gemma Naquist
Kuomi Logistics
Posted - 2010.01.08 23:00:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Gemma Naquist on 08/01/2010 23:01:05
Open channel:

A thousand, a million, a billion. You have done NOTHING to end slavery. NOTHING.

Zero, zip, zilch, nada.

All you've done is pay a transaction tax that will go to insure the continued economic strength of the Empire. You've made one of the single biggest monetary contributions to the continued success of the institution of slavery in recent economic history!

Congratulations!

Do you see now how futile it all is? The only way to achieve an end to slavery by economic means would be a complete embargo on trade to and from the Empire. Starting with Caldari and ending with Concord.

As they say here on Kuomi, ain't happenin chummer.

Sorry. A-Plus for altruism

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