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Somal Thundir
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.03 21:09:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu
Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 03/01/2010 21:07:12
Originally by: Arillle
I was in the black screen fleet in a BS .

Strange ... On this video, the pilot, even with background blinking colors, doesn t seem to suffer from any lag while 'turkey shooting' the black screen fleet .

CCP keep answering to petitions that the lag was the same for everyone ...
Come on CCP ...



That is because the only case when you get this new Dominion lag is if you try to jump into another system, onto a grid that already has "too many" ships on it. It was not very smart to try to pile 700+ ships into same grid at once. Had you jumped with, say, 100 ships at a time, each warping off the grid to another before the next batch (or to multiple cynos on multiple grids, no more than 100-200 ships per cyno) you would have been fine.

Once you are in the system, grid loads work just fine. IT was already in the system, they loaded your jump-in grid just fine.

I'm told someone tried to tell you this. Your FC ignored it. Yay.




You do realise 100 razor jumped thru a gate onto an empty grid and they all black screened and died aswell right?

Presidio
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.03 21:12:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Presidio on 03/01/2010 21:13:17
Liked the music.

Jarnis McPieksu
Gallente
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.01.03 21:29:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Somal Thundir

You do realise 100 razor jumped thru a gate onto an empty grid and they all black screened and died aswell right?


Before or after the massive ball seized up? I'd guess "after". Systems all over EVE were reporting jump lag after the massive cyno pile blackscreened...

My guess is, the root cause is a some kind of an inter-node bottleneck when transmitting data between separate SOL nodes when ships jump from system to system. Basically, the "queue" to bring in new ships to the system is already log-jammed at that point and every new ship jumping into system after that gets hosed.

I have been in numerous large fights post-Dominion and the only time everything works on jump-in to a system full of people is when the target grid is empty and the number of ships bridging/jumping in to the grid is manageable. Once jumped in (or if already in system), everything works just the same as pre-dominion.

Diehard Si
Gallente
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2010.01.03 22:46:00 - [34]
 

nice video judge

Nicklaus Klaus'nik
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.01.03 23:28:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Nicklaus Klaus''nik on 03/01/2010 23:28:27
apparently, fixing the lag issue is as simple as turning off your monitor. who would've thought...

Lokajin
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.01.04 00:46:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu
Originally by: Somal Thundir

You do realise 100 razor jumped thru a gate onto an empty grid and they all black screened and died aswell right?


Before or after the massive ball seized up? I'd guess "after". Systems all over EVE were reporting jump lag after the massive cyno pile blackscreened...

My guess is, the root cause is a some kind of an inter-node bottleneck when transmitting data between separate SOL nodes when ships jump from system to system. Basically, the "queue" to bring in new ships to the system is already log-jammed at that point and every new ship jumping into system after that gets hosed.

I have been in numerous large fights post-Dominion and the only time everything works on jump-in to a system full of people is when the target grid is empty and the number of ships bridging/jumping in to the grid is manageable. Once jumped in (or if already in system), everything works just the same as pre-dominion.



Its nice to see in this thread of ******ation that there was actually someone who had a brain. GJ Jarnis your probably the only intelligent one in this thread now :P

IonHammer
Minmatar
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.01.04 02:19:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: IonHammer on 04/01/2010 02:19:24
Think i would have rather heard a log of the IT ts channel after the event, I am sure that would be dam funny.

Rivek
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.04 04:19:00 - [38]
 

Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.01.04 04:32:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: IonHammer
Edited by: IonHammer on 04/01/2010 02:19:24
Think i would have rather heard a log of the IT ts channel after the event, I am sure that would be dam funny.

Ion, you need to update your sig buddy. Very Happy

Btw... anyone know the final body count?

skularika
Caldari
3OO
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2010.01.04 07:49:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Rivek
Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.


u mad?

u sure sound mad Embarassed

Lokajin
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.01.04 07:54:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: skularika
Originally by: Rivek
Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.


u mad?

u sure sound mad Embarassed


i think hes mad.

Frito11
Gallente
Invicta.
Posted - 2010.01.04 08:03:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Frito11 on 04/01/2010 08:22:04
Edited by: Frito11 on 04/01/2010 08:21:05
Originally by: Blood Ghost
Edited by: Blood Ghost on 03/01/2010 16:39:02
Excellent thanks!

Nice quality! Looks to be an epic fight Very Happy

Edit: Um did the hostiles even shoot back at all?


Hard to shoot back when half had been logged off for awhile *most well over 15min before they died*

the other half, myself included that actually loaded eventually but could barely activate a mod jumped out before IT caps arrived on grid, only to get stuck in space cloaked in limbo for over an hour waiting, i litterally walked away from my PC went to our garage played 4 rounds of pool with my brother and in between games with him i checked my PC to see if i was in mn5 yet and nope, not yet, till an hour later...

GG CCP and your bugged game mechanics that cost the ships of many brave pilots that night.

interestingly after this event i have seen 2 extremely odd thing happen as a result of it.

#1 players that jumped just as i did and were stuck jumping and logged off ended up in mn5 in space stuck and never disappeared even though they were not logged in for well over 5 hours by the time i went to bed last night

#2 at least one of our pilots that got blown up while logged, logged back in into space in y-2 in his carrier with half the mods destroyed 1% structure, no armor and full shields and there was a killmail generated for his ship even though it apparently survived somehow! very very strange glich CCP!


Blooded Heromy
Caldari
Pardon Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.04 08:48:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Blooded Heromy on 04/01/2010 08:48:55
Originally by: Frito11
Edited by: Frito11 on 04/01/2010 08:22:04
Edited by: Frito11 on 04/01/2010 08:21:05
Originally by: Blood Ghost
Edited by: Blood Ghost on 03/01/2010 16:39:02
Excellent thanks!

Nice quality! Looks to be an epic fight Very Happy

Edit: Um did the hostiles even shoot back at all?



#2 at least one of our pilots that got blown up while logged, logged back in into space in y-2 in his carrier with half the mods destroyed 1% structure, no armor and full shields and there was a killmail generated for his ship even though it apparently survived somehow! very very strange glich CCP!




IT's the twilight zone, I am sure it is Laughing they all got killed on the "other" side

Mark Starkiller
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.01.04 08:53:00 - [44]
 

Nice video.
I was there, but in this video i see ships :P

Petar Quaresma
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2010.01.04 09:20:00 - [45]
 

I don't have virus protection installed so I am not clicking on the link.

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.04 09:32:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Frito11
...cost the ships of many brave pilots...


PL has not been brave in a long time. Laughing

Maybe stop being a goon pet and you would have more sympathy from the eve community. Then again, the tears have been the best ever on COAD!

Nahia Senne
Gallente
Initium Malum
Posted - 2010.01.04 10:00:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Rivek
Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.


Plenty of your guys could actually shoot back, if you check out IT killboards. Its just that your FC's order a logoffski Embarassed

Arthello
Gallente
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.01.04 10:43:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Frito11
...cost the ships of many brave pilots...


PL has not been brave in a long time. Laughing

Maybe stop being a goon pet and you would have more sympathy from the eve community. Then again, the tears have been the best ever on COAD!


+1

Mya ElleTerego
Amarr
The Hull Miners Union
Posted - 2010.01.04 10:50:00 - [49]
 

when you guys kicked off that fight geminate lagged out for 10 minutes, but scalding pass had 0 lag, was kinda wierd.

Vibora BR
Minmatar
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.01.04 11:11:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu
Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 03/01/2010 21:10:40
Originally by: Arillle
I was in the black screen fleet in a BS .

Strange ... On this video, the pilot, even with background blinking colors, doesn t seem to suffer from any lag while 'turkey shooting' the black screen fleet .

CCP keep answering to petitions that the lag was the same for everyone ...
Come on CCP ...



That is because the only case when you get this new Dominion lag is if you try to jump into another system, onto a grid that already has "too many" ships on it. It was not very smart to try to pile 700+ ships into same grid in another system at once. Had you jumped with, say, 100 ships at a time, each warping off the grid to another before the next batch (or to multiple cynos on multiple grids, no more than 100-200 ships per cyno) you would have been fine. This is, of course, assuming the hostiles do not stack "too many" ships to your entry grid until you get to the system. Deep safes are a good tool against this - you got at least that bit right.

Once you are in the system, grid loads work just fine. IT was already in the system, they loaded your jump-in grid just fine.

I'm told someone tried to tell you this. Your FC ignored it. Yay.




Unhappily it is not completely true, in Factional Warfare fighting a small 40 Bs vs 40 Bs fleet. Even if you are in system for some time, the ships warping to the gate/station/planet where other 40 ships are sitting, the incoming ships usually will lag to death while the sitting ships wont.

So if you want winning on the lag world of Dominion, or even before, wait for they warp/jump to you.

Bogatir
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.01.04 11:21:00 - [51]
 

And that's how "The butterfly effect" becomes "The butterfly defect".

Lorin Edehiel
Minmatar
Northmoor Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.04 12:08:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Rivek
Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.



welcome to Eve/Lag-online, mate

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2010.01.04 12:13:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Rivek
Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.


*bottles the tears*

keep em coming

RLCHANCE
Amarr
The Shadow Cartel
War and Pestilence
Posted - 2010.01.04 14:09:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: RLCHANCE on 04/01/2010 14:10:10
Edited by: RLCHANCE on 04/01/2010 14:09:46
Originally by: Arillle
I was in the black screen fleet in a BS .

Strange ... On this video, the pilot, even with background blinking colors, doesn t seem to suffer from any lag while 'turkey shooting' the black screen fleet .

CCP keep answering to petitions that the lag was the same for everyone ...
Come on CCP ...


-----------------------------------------------
every thread you guys are complaning maby he had a better comp :P






Grarr Wrexx
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.01.04 14:23:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Rivek
Nice Fraps. It reveals just how very different our experience of that grid was. IT could have bum rushed us the moment we jumped in and gotten even more kills, saving us the over one hour waiting period hoping that the remainder of our fleet would report actually being in system before we tried to attack the TCU.

Looks like you could:

1) See other ships on the grid
2) Lock other ships
3) Fire on other ships, even without manually cycling guns

Awesome. Congrats on killing a whole lot of expensive hardware that couldn't fight back.


Because of IT was on the receiving side you wouldn't have shot them, right? HonOure and all Embarassed

DrMaddog
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.01.04 15:22:00 - [56]
 

so what was that dominion trailer all about then? I think everyone in this thread is a liar and making it all up. CCP could never fabricate fun, amazing graphics, and lag free all in the same game

takeaway1031
Caldari
Comply Or Die
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.01.04 17:11:00 - [57]
 

WOW.. really ccp, I'm on nietheir side here, but the fact that their seemed to be hardly any lag for the attacking party while the other side just got black screened, I'm simply amazed.

If I was in that fight I'd be ****ed, IT guy not cycling his gunns, chating with buddies on and off, didnt seem to have hardly any issuse with target locking. For the most part the gunns turned off a cycle or 2 after target was downed. I've been in massive cap fights, and needless to say not once was I ever been able to play with that much ease, even from the attacking point of view.

PL maybe next time you'll think twice about trying to flood a unsupported node, oh wait you'd need a cap fleet to do that with first. GJ IT you won the turkey shoot, reguardless of how it went down killing that many titans in one fight just earned you a place in the books of eve history... PL now ownes the worst mistake in eve history removing razors title for the 5 mothership LOL fail.Twisted Evil

Lokajin
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.01.04 21:07:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: takeaway1031
WOW.. really ccp, I'm on nietheir side here, but the fact that their seemed to be hardly any lag for the attacking party while the other side just got black screened, I'm simply amazed.

If I was in that fight I'd be ****ed, IT guy not cycling his gunns, chating with buddies on and off, didnt seem to have hardly any issuse with target locking. For the most part the gunns turned off a cycle or 2 after target was downed. I've been in massive cap fights, and needless to say not once was I ever been able to play with that much ease, even from the attacking point of view.

PL maybe next time you'll think twice about trying to flood a unsupported node, oh wait you'd need a cap fleet to do that with first. GJ IT you won the turkey shoot, reguardless of how it went down killing that many titans in one fight just earned you a place in the books of eve history... PL now ownes the worst mistake in eve history removing razors title for the 5 mothership LOL fail.Twisted Evil


I didn't think there would ever be a bigger welp moment in eve till now take. Gotta say leave it to the elite pvper's to take the new title. Im pretty sure they were betting on crashing the node and getting in when it rebooted. They probably figured hey its not reinforced we can hop in crash the node and log in before it does and take over the system. But thats just my 2iskies i wouldnt doubt it to think that was there motive the entire time.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.04 21:41:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: IonHammer
Edited by: IonHammer on 04/01/2010 02:19:24
Think i would have rather heard a log of the IT ts channel after the event, I am sure that would be dam funny.

Ion, you need to update your sig buddy. Very Happy

Btw... anyone know the final body count?


bob's killboard says 27 dreads 18 carriers 4 titans 82 bs for no losses in any of these categories
154 pods killed 11 lost



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